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Reply #30 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:11am
 
Of course, one only needs to look at something like this...

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2560092

... to see that we're getting ripped off here in Australia. As usual.

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Reply #31 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 12:10pm
 
yeah...  lets compares Singapore to Australia.

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If you have trouble finding Singapore get a microscope.
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Reply #32 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 12:23pm
 
Wow look at that eh.
Most posts on Whirlpool understand exactly what I do.
Country size, population and pop density, cost of living, government, etc, etc, etc...
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Reply #33 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 12:24pm
 
Any chance I can have my faster ADSL 2 hooked back up ?
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Reply #34 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 1:06pm
 
And, the reason why no-one's interested in the "faster" speeds here in Australia is because most people with FTTN (fibre to the node) can't get anywhere near 100/40 and in a lot of cases not even 50/20, thanks to Malcolm Turnbull and his "Soona, Fasta, Cheapa" NBN mess.

In fact, some people who have lost "Node Lotto" (too far from the node) have trouble even getting 25/5.
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Reply #35 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 3:33pm
 
Oh dear...  they cant afford it or are unwilling to pay for it.  The speeds are actually available.

Didn't you read your whirlpool link before you posted it?

BTW you can actually pay to get FTTH is you want.
The question is why bother when the difference speeds 50 and 100 is barely visible to the naked eye. Cheesy
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Reply #36 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 7:49pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 3:33pm:
Oh dear...  they cant afford it or are unwilling to pay for it.  The speeds are actually available.

Didn't you read your whirlpool link before you posted it?

BTW you can actually pay to get FTTH is you want.
The question is why bother when the difference speeds 50 and 100 is barely visible to the naked eye. Cheesy


People aren't buying 100/40 because their connections cannot support them - fttn and hfc cannot guarantee a speed.

You want to spend 20k for a fod connection - because it's not as simple as running fibre back to the nearest hub - it has to be run back to the exchange because the LNP cheaped out on backhaul.

The LNP f*cked it.

Let me guess - as an i.t specialist you sell mobile phones?
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Reply #37 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 8:22pm
 
Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
Grendel wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 3:33pm:
Oh dear...  they cant afford it or are unwilling to pay for it.  The speeds are actually available.

Didn't you read your whirlpool link before you posted it?

BTW you can actually pay to get FTTH is you want.
The question is why bother when the difference speeds 50 and 100 is barely visible to the naked eye. Cheesy


People aren't buying 100/40 because their connections cannot support them - fttn and hfc cannot guarantee a speed.

You want to spend 20k for a fod connection - because it's not as simple as running fibre back to the nearest hub - it has to be run back to the exchange because the LNP cheaped out on backhaul.

The LNP f*cked it.

Let me guess - as an i.t specialist you sell mobile phones?


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Reply #38 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 9:48pm
 
Wrong and wrong...

People have been buying less because they cant afford what ISPs charge for more.

In actuality the vast majority don't need more and if you read the latest on the NBN etc, then you'd see I am correct and you are full of it.

Many ISPs are now creating packages of 50 instead of offering 100.
Even if everyone had FTTH there would still be ISP problems with choke points and peak activity times.
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Reply #39 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 9:58pm
 
What would I know right... 

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You buy your NBN connection from a retailer. They have to pay NBN Co for maximum usage. So do they buy enough access for peak times?

Why would they? They can offer you a package with an advertised speed of 100 megabits per second, but they don’t have to guarantee they can deliver it all day. If they buy less access their customers may be unhappy at peak times, but they save money.

The price telcos pay NBN Co for usage is called a CVC charge. It determines the choke point that the retailer faces.

If the retailers pay a high CVC charge per customer their choke point is slack and generous. All their customers can run Netflix at night. But if they pay a small CVC charge per customer the choke point in the network is tight and we spend half the night buffering.

Unfortunately, there is very little public information on how much CVC charge each retailer pays per customer, and so no way of comparing them all on this. A spokesperson for Communication Minister Mitch Fifield said the government was putting the ACCC to work to make sure customers weren’t getting ripped off.

“The purchase of CVC is a commercial decision for retailers but the ACCC broadband performance monitoring will show how fast each major retailer’s internet service is by measuring actual data speeds in around 4000 homes,” the spokesperson said.

BUT WHOSE FAULT IS IT?

But maybe this is not the retailers’ fault? After all why does the NBN charge such a high CVC charge that it makes it uneconomical for retailers to buy enough access for the end users? Should NBN Co maybe restructure its pricing? It has already cut charges twice, why not more?

Or maybe it is the end user’s fault? Not everyone with NBN access is signing up.
And around 85 per cent of NBN customers are buying the bundles with maximum speeds of 25mbps or lower.
That means the retailers can’t charge as much as if we all signed up for the highest speed connections, and so they don’t have cash on hand to pay for all the access.



Want more info?
http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/nbns-constipation-problems-go-much-...f50
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Reply #40 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:10pm
 
The fastest NBN speed plan is falling out of favour

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The highest-speed plan on the national broadband network is becoming a tough sell for telecommunications companies amid concerns the risks and costs are outweighing the benefits.

A combination of discounts for the slower 50 Mbps speed plans, action by the regulator over unachievable speeds and a budget-sensitive public has industry sources warning 100 Mbps speed plans might not be offered by major telcos in the future.


The NBN: How fast is fast?

As the national broadband network is rolled out, we investigate some of the wholesale services it's going to provide.

Some carriers had already stopped offering 100 Mbps plans,
said Joseph Hanlon, spokesman for comparison site WhistleOut, which audits about 40 per cent of NBN plans.


Its latest audit found Vocus Group providers iPrimus and Dodo dropped these plans from their sites in late-2017.

It’s understood one of the main reasons for dropping these plans was lack of customer take-up, with the brands targeting the budget end of the market.

In 2017, more than 80 per cent of NBN users were on speeds of 25 Mbps or less – the lowest plans available
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Now that the NBN has provided wholesale discounts on its 50 Mbps speed tier range, telcos have moved quickly to drop prices for this plan, or bump customers on 25 Mbps plans into a faster tier.

This has seen the take-up of 50 Mbps plans jump from less than 3 per cent to about 30 per cent, while the percentage of new orders for 100 Mbps plans remains stable at about 9 per cent of all orders.
There was no NBN discount on 100 Mbps speed tier, though there are bandwidth discounts across speed plans.


Australia's fixed internet recently ranked 55th in the world, behind countries like Austria, Slovenia, Czech Republic and Kazakhstan, with an average speed of 25.88 Mbps.

The focus on 50 Mbps product, with no change to 100 Mbps, had MyRepublic managing director ANZ Nicholas Demos warning his company might stop selling the top tier, because the 50 Mbps products were significantly more attractive to sell.

To date, MyRepublic has sold only the fastest-speed plans, but flagged the introduction of 50 Mbps products this month.

Angus Kidman, spokesman for comparison site Finder, agreed the current discount structures made selling 50 Mbps plans more appealing and was not surprised that it did “appear that some providers are dumping the 100 plans".

“Given the widespread perception that NBN plans don't deliver maximum speeds, the push from [the regulator] to make sure providers advertise ‘realistic’ speeds and the relatively low-demand for high-priced 100 deals, it makes sense that providers aimed at the cost-sensitive end of the market might decide it's safer and easier to just not offer the high-speed packages.”

Industry sources also mentioned increased scrutiny from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) as a major factor.

Thousands of Fibre To The Node (FTTN) and Fibre To The Building (FTTB) customers are set to be compensated after it was found last year they could not get the speeds they were paying for, with the majority having signed up for 100 Mbps plans.

Almost 26,500 of about 42,200 compensated Telstra customers were on this highest-speed plan. Of 8330 clients Optus will compensate, 5430 had 100 Mbps plans. TPG also landed itself in hot water – almost all of the 8000 customers it was required to compensate were on this speed.

An ACCC spokesman said it was an “industry-wide issue” that service providers were required to take responsibility for.

“Investigations into other retail service providers selling NBN broadband plans are continuing, and the ACCC will take enforcement action if we consider that they are not delivering on their promises to customers,” he said.

Telstra, Optus and TPG still provide a 100 Mbps option, but are required to speed-test lines within four weeks of activation and give customers options if they are not achieving the speeds they have paid for – this includes downgrading them to a lower speed plan.

Telstra’s budget brand Belong, which was also mentioned in the enforceable undertaking it entered into with the ACCC in November, does not advertise 100 Mbps speeds to FTTN and FTTB customers.

It's understood new plans being introduced in mid-2018 should offer discounts on both products, with discussions currently underway with telcos.
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Reply #41 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:18pm
 
So we are still at square one where those on FTTN cant get the speed plan they paid for why is that Grendel
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Reply #42 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 10:41am
 
I am holding on to my precious 100mbits telstra cable.  Alot of the neighbors reports poorer connection on NBN.
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Reply #43 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 11:59am
 
oh dear wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
So we are still at square one where those on FTTN cant get the speed plan they paid for why is that Grendel

posted plenty of info...  go back and actually read it.
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Reply #44 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 12:01pm
 
We've slipped to 55th behind Kazakhstan  Shocked
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