Its official everyone, a national survey of 35000 Australians says 93% want to abolish multiculturalism.

My source?

Grendel, who says "Ring up ACA Everyone knew about it"

You simply can't dispute this undisputable fact - and if you do, Grendel's going to totally blow you out of the water with this earth shattering retort:

"Are you denying reality?"

Game over leftards, the people have spoken, and you simply can't deny reality.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2018 at 6:33pm:



ACA   

Oh my God, that's comedy gold.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2018 at 7:40pm:



Surprise surprise, something else very interesting in your link Brian


‘People
who
come
to (Australia)
should
change
their
behaviour
to
be
more
like
Australians.’

‐
2017
(percentage)

People who come to Australia
should  change their behaviour

2017
Strongly agree
30.3
Agree
34.2
Sub-total agree

64.5

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https://www.monash.edu/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/1189188/mapping-social-cohesi...

It always surprises me that people like you skip over the section which asks a direct question about views on Multiculturalism in favour of those that ask questions about other issues.



Oh, and it's much easier to take a screenshot and attach that, than it is to copy the results themselves because it makes it easier to make a direct comparison.

85% believe Multiculturalism has been beneficial to Australian society.  85%.   

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2018 at 11:21pm:


Have I ever denied it?  I haven't claimed that you are "lying", now have i.  In a thread about Multiculturalism, surely the most important bit is the question, well about Multiculturalism.   Anything else is actually superfluous.

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Does it matter?  They are all part of the Australian population.  Or does that rankle you as well?   

how do you 'abolish' multi culture when this country was BUILT on it.

sounds like selfish dirty 'squeaky unclean white' propaganda to me...

doesn't stop people of a different shade grouping me in with these losers.

35,000  - we are a country of 24, some odd million people.
sounds like a union group of banshees and bullies.
nasty gross lot.

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 1:10pm:


Ah.

A reliable source.

That's better.

What's the URL, Herbie?

LOL
largest ever poll dopey.
Scanlon...  less than 1500.
Usual polling size these days...1000-1500....

BTW if you check Counterpoint ABC you will see another poll around the time where 85% wanted to bring back the White Australia policy.
I just want to see an end to cultural apartheid in Australia.

The Scanlon report as pointed out is fairly contradictory.  How can we have such a high Multiculti result given the other results over the years of the Scanlon surveys discrimination has apparently doubled...

Why do they present results 20-30 percent on average higher than other polls at the same time?

But we know why don't we because I explained that.

Do we really want a population of 40m?
The Australian12:00AM July 18, 2017

One of the arguments put for such a substantial immigration program — and avoiding poverty is not one of them — is that the ageing of the population can be slowed. But the recent Productivity Commission analysis has dismissed this link: “(Immigration) delays rather than eliminates population ageing. In the long term, underlying trends in life expectancy mean that permanent immigrants (as they age) will themselves add to the proportion of the population aged 65 and over.”

This is one reason why some commentators refer to immigration as a sort of Ponzi scheme: any impact on the age profile of the population is only sustained if the program continues to be ramped up. And note that the PC’s analysis was undertaken before the government decided to provide a special temporary visa category for grandparents.

But what about the economic benefits of immigration? Returning to the analysis undertaken by the PC, by 2060 — a very long time away — it is estimated that per capita GDP will be 7 per cent higher based on the continuation of our immigration program compared with zero net migration.

But the PC makes it clear that no account is taken of the costs that immigration imposes on urban congestion, rising house prices, loss of social amenity or environment impacts. And compared with no net migration, real wages and productivity are actually lower with ongoing mass migration. The economic gains are simply the result of the (assumed) higher employment-to-population ratio.

In sum, it is important that we have a measured and informed debate about our immigration policies, in terms of both numbers and the integrity of the visa categories.




The benefits of high levels of immigration seem to be wildly overstated and oversold.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 5:41pm:



Never heard that argument.  Where did you dredge it from, Hammer?   

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 6:46pm:


What "new report" would that be?   A link will suffice.

The more people you invite to eat the pie the less pie you get.
Add multiculti to it and you get people squabbling over what sort of pie it should be.  or even if it should be a pie...

Ok, so 85% of Australians believe in multiculturalism, and believe that migrants shouldn't integrate?

Auggie wrote on Jan 6^th, 2018 at 7:38pm:


As you will no doubt see, that is exactly what some anti-Multiculturalists believe.   Multiculturalism is about people integrating into Australian society at their own rate, not the rate imposed by the anti-Multiculturalists.   There is no evidence that Multiculturalism leads to "ghettoisation" or anything like that.   You have the initial generations banding together in a foreign land for mutual benefit, while succeeding generations seek greater aspirational goals and move out amongst the wider community surrounding them.    The anti-Multiculturalists dislike Multiculturalism because they want everybody to wear the same black uniform that they do and march to the same drum beat that they do.   They hate individuality and difference.    

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 6^th, 2018 at 9:36pm:


People who live in Western Sydney would disagree with you.

The suburbs in Western Sydney were overwhelmingly against SSM. The majority of those suburbs are composed of migrants. Anthony Green even conceded that it was 'cultural' differences that led them to say no.

Ghettoisation is already happening in Western Sydney, or so I'm told. Ghettoisation has already happened in Europe.

Second, there seems to be this expectation that we become a multicultural society. Let me ask you this question: should Japan be a multicultural society?

Bertie wrote on Jan 6^th, 2018 at 9:40pm:


They are not "guests".  They are migrants.  They have been invited to join our society as equals.  Multiculturalism ensures that their needs and desires are met within our society.  To suggest they are "guests" shows that you do not accept them.   Remember, we as a society invited them here.

They don't form enclaves due to cheaper rents Auggie.
The don't all integrate or assimilate Auggie.  Under Multiculi there is no call for it.
Perhaps they are racist or xenophobic eh?  What do you think?

Auggie wrote on Jan 7^th, 2018 at 8:50am:


It still has deliberately negative connotations, Augie.   South-West Sydney is not isolated.  It is part of Greater Sydney.   Were the Italian/Greek/Serbia/Croat/Bosnian communities considered "ghettos" in the same way?  No.   I see no evidence that the Muslims communities should be, except in the imaginations of the Islamophobes.    I have served with/studied with/worked with/lived besides Muslims for a great part of my life.  They have all been socialable, quite nice people.   I have treated them as normal Australians, something the Islamophobes find impossible to do.   The Islamophobes are the problem, not the Muslims.

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We aren't discussing Europe.  I will though, point out that the European experience is very different to the Australian experience.   Europeans have been hostile to "foreign" influences for hundreds if not a thousand or more years.   Their concept of "Multiculturalism" is very different to the Australian one.   Their sources for their migrants has been very different.   They have concentrated mainly on the lower socio-economic groups whereas Australia has done the reverse.   So,  the experiences have been very different.

Being born amongst a hostile society does not guarantee you will love that society.   Britain and Europe imported Muslims as factory fodder.   Australia imported mainly well-educated, professional Muslims and some refugees.   Australian Muslims have a very different attitude towards Australia than Muslims in Europe or the UK have to their adopted countries.

I  wonder what proportion of overseas born immigrants who are not Muslims voted "Yes" for the same-sex marriage survey?   People like to point to the results from SW Sydney, claiming that it shows Muslims are all out of step with Australian society.   What they forget is that Muslims do not hold the majority in any of the electorates in SW Sydney.  Nor do they all universally abhor Gays.   Therefore, other immigrant communities had also to vote "No" for a majority to be reached.   The Islamophobes ignore that in their diatribes against Muslims.   There are more than enough conservative Christians in Australian society who also hate Gays.   Fortunately, a majority of Australians don't.

Because it suits their purposes, the Islamophobes like to paint all Muslims as "Borge-like" in their attitudes and views.  They are "all Terrorists" or "Terrorist supporters" because it fits the mindsets of the Islamophobes, despite the majority of Australian Muslims having fled conflicts and in particular Terrorists.  They all hate Gays because they throw Gays off buildings in Iran.   However, Iran is only a minority of Muslims and only the Sh'ia sect.   Many Muslims tolerate Gays, just as the overwhelming majority of Australian Christians do.   So be very careful about ascribing to an entire Religious community the views of the  most conservative of that community, Augie.

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As I have pointed out, so it appears is conservative Christians.  So are conservative non-Christians.   So are conservative Hindus/Buddhists/etc. None fit the criteria of the "normal Australians".    I would say the greatest threat is Conservative Religion of all types.   It is interesting the similarities which Conservatives in different religions hold.   

Auggie wrote on Jan 7^th, 2018 at 2:05pm:


You have evidence this is not happening with Muslims, Augie?  Real, verifiable evidence or just a "feeling"?

I have seen no evidence to support the claims of the Islamophobes that Muslims cannot or will not integrate/assimilate to Australian society.   We have had Muslims in Australia for nearly 200 years.   I served in the Australian Army with an officer who's great grandfather was an Afghan cameller in Australia.   He was fully integrated.   I have served with a Turkish-Cypriot who now considers himself "more Australian than Turkish".  He umpires today SANFL football games.   I have worked with Muslims for decades.   All have, as far as I can tell, "integrated" into Australian society.    Why is only in Sydney we have Muslim "ghettos"?   Why is only in Sydney we have Muslim Lebanese "gangs"?   You'd claim it was because of Islam, I suspect.  I would suggest it was because of Sydney.

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I didn't answer because there was no point.  My Muslim neighbours are "integrated" into Australian society.  Fully.   I also believe such questions are distasteful.   He has no desire to chop any one's head off.  He hates Terrorists with a passion.   He believes in moderation.   He is a professional in the Health department.   He doesn't deserve any questioning of his loyalties, any more than any other Australian does. 

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Actually, in terms of percentage, their numbers are not that much greater than ours, Augie.  Australia today has less than 4% Muslims.  France, is approximately 7%, Germany, about 5%,  the UK about 4%.   

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I would suggest buggerall Germans support Naziism, as it was.   I would suggest buggerall Muslims support Terrorism.

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The thing is, you and the Islamophobes appear to act as if it is 90% which support Terrorism.  This is demonstrably untrue.   

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2018 at 3:47pm:


You only need to look at Europe. I don't buy the argument that Europeans have been hostile to migrants. Asian migrants in Europe seemed to have done quite well. France is an open and tolerant society, and has been for decades.

The issue is the number of Muslim migrants in those countries, up to 7.5% of the population in the case of France.

The reason why Muslims are well integrated in the United States and Australia is because there's less of them.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2018 at 3:47pm:


Which is exactly my point. It's about numbers. SA has less Muslims and so they integrate better into society compared with Sydney where there are more numbers. When you have smaller numbers they are easier to integrate into society.

Second, as a side note, Turkey has been a secular state and cannot be used as valid example. Also, your Afghan friend has been here for generations. In both cases, they're not really comparable examples.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2018 at 3:47pm:


So, the answer is no. So, how do you know that he's integrated? Integration is about your values. If your neighbour believes in Sharia law, then he hasn't integrated. Sure, he hates terrorists, so do we all. Maybe he does support Sharia law???

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2018 at 3:47pm:


Exactly, and we're starting to witness the affects of it. 7% of 50 million is a significant number, as is 4% of 50 million. America has 0.9% Muslims. Wonder why they better integrate into American society?

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2018 at 3:47pm:


The things, you and the Islamic apologists appear to act is if it 0.000001% of which support Terrorism. This demonstrably untrue.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 6^th, 2018 at 10:39pm:



Maybe we should 'invite' a better class of migrant, one that is less demanding and less of a burden on our society.

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 8:30am:


That rules out Herbie.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 3:15pm:


He's Chinese, isn't he?   

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2018 at 11:21pm:


Correct!

And it's well known that survey companies save time and effort by going to our universities to canvas opinion ... places where more than 80% of the students are visibly ethnic whether they were born here or not.

A survey among Australians of European background would be the only valid poll on opinions.

Herb, just ignore him...  bwian's claim that 20,400,000 Australians support Multiculturalism is a lie.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Still unable to face facts.   85% of Australians said they appreciate Multiculturalism.  Now, how is that report, a "lie"?  How is the survey that produced those results, a "lie"?   No one has presented any evidence that either I or the Scanlon Report are lying.   They just shriek, "Lie!"  "Lie!"  "Lie!"  Tsk, tsk.   

Oh, dearie, dearie, me bwian.  Still unable to face facts.    Even though I note you keep rewording your claim a lot bwian...  wassup...  lying getting more difficult for you? 
The Scanlon founder is pro- large immigration and pro-multiculturalism...  his foundation is not a government or academic institute.  They surveyed mostly like minded people bwian...  1200....  not 35,000 where 93% wanted and end to multiculturalism.

Now, how is it that YOU lie?  You claimed bwian that 85% of Australians supported Multiculturalism based on a dodgey survey bwian. 
YOU lied that "No one has presented any evidence that either I or the Scanlon Report are lying"  oh dear bwian...  been posted many times, this is just another one.

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I'm guessing none of these people were polled by Scanlon.

Auggie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 11:10pm:


Perhaps it is but they had one and they now have Muslims in their country.   You can deport them all back to where they came from except of course for the French citizens, which is about four fifths of their number.   Or are you one of those people who thinks citizenship is optional?

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Funny, I always understood "migrants" came from another country.  "Homegrown" means they were born American citizens.   So much for citizenship it seems.

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Sydney is reluctantly a cosmopolitan society, Augie. As I've pointed out, they didn't like the Indochinese when they first arrived.   They don't like the Muslims.   They didn't like the Italians/Greeks/Serbs/Croats/Bosnians either.  Starting to see a pattern yet?   They didn't like the Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox, the Copts...  Seeing the patter yet?   Anything at all?

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"King and country"?  Well, we haven't had a King for what sixty odd years.  So you don't appear that integrated.  To me, you sound integrated but to Herbie, you're still a "Johnny-Foreigner".   To him and his cohorts,  you're a migrant.  Tsk, tsk.    Why should we accept your word, hey?

BTW, how do you measure "integration"?  Is there a scale?   

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You better take that up with Tone Rabbit.   He seems to disagree with you.   Tsk, tsk.  Does that make him "unAustralian"?

I agree, in part, with your comment but as our system is set up to separate Church and State - indeed most Australians don't even believe in God and wouldn't know what the Church was on about...   


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To the bigoted, numbers are meaningless.  We presenting have less than 4% who are Muslim.   Yet, according to some who post here we are about to be taken over by Muslims.   

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No, I am pointing out what the opponents of Multiculturalism say about it and Immigrants, Augie.   As they appear to be ignoring you, it seems to fall to me to be a Devil's Advocate...

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I would suggest that I am not "misquoting" you as reacting to what you have said, Augie.  A "large minority" in my book must constitute up to about 49%.   To you, it appears to be a statistically insignificant figure of about 10%.    I'd actually say the active supporters of Terrorism world wide would be half that.   In Australia, I would suggest that they constitute about a tenth of that (ie, about 1%).   

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 3:58pm:


Next time I'll be sure to put East in front of Asian.

You are wasting your time with this fool Auggie... in over 2 decades he hasn't changed his mind one little bit... he lies, obfuscates, dissembles and is a disingenuous prat.  Surely you've figured this out by now.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 8:33am:


Stop reading it, then.

Grendel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 7:50am:


I used to have more respect for Brian but lost it quickly when he brought up a personal matter, completely unrelated to argument.

You and I have our disagreements but it’s fair to say that we’ve kept it civil.

Auggie wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 11:13am:


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Augie, you were the one who first mentioned that "personal matter", not me.  You did not flag it with a warning.   I merely used information that you provided.  Tsk, tsk.   

Auggie wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 4:05pm:


If by "pernicious beliefs" you mean dislike of Gays, misogynistic views about women and so on, I'd have to say, easily.   Easily, Augie.    Then you have to ask, what degree of those "pernicious beliefs" they hold - do they mean throw all Gays off buildings, make women subservient and barefoot and pregnant?   Some do, some don't.   Just look back that the history of these fora, where people like Herbie and Co. are always complaining about feminism and so on.   

Auggie wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 4:40pm:


Russian, Uganda, India - all non-Islamic nations have in the last 10 years or so, outlawed Homosexuality, Augie.

There have been definitely a two step forward, one step back approach to Homosexuality around the world.  Downunder, we legalised by a very circuitous route, Same-Sex-Marriage.   Something well within the power of the Parliament to do without recourse to the people.   However, to appease the Conservatives, Prime Minister Trumble was forced to appeal to the people and have the ABS ask them.

I'd say about 5% of Christians, or more, believe that Homosexuality should be outlawed, easily.

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Well, they don't differentiate - deliberately between the various "waves", Augie.  To them, "Feminism" is a dirty word.   Their views would fit quite well with many conservative Muslims IMO.

Feminism is IMO well, feminism - the rights of women being recognised.   Simples really and I am constantly amazed that some Australians still believe women should be subservient.   Doesn't matter what religion they are, either.   Thankfully, that is long dead and buried, despite all the bleating about it here and elsewhere.   

Bwian states unequivocally...
"Simples really and I am constantly amazed that some Australians still believe women should be subservient." 
So bwian what is the Muslim attitude to women.
Must they be covered up....  subservience.
Must they walk behind their men...  subservience...
Etc, etc, etc, bwian...  so you are against Islamic practices then bwian?
But cant say anything except against Western cultures right?

bwian says... "It is Xenophobic.   Russians leaving Russia may well be doing so because they disagree with the present Russian Government's policies.  You would deny them a safe haven.   So much for mercy, hey, Augie?  Tsk, tsk"

Tsk tsk bwian...  is the Russian Government our responsibility?  Is the russian way of life our responsibility?  We have elections bwian to resolve such issues.  We have Referenda and Plebiscites etc...  we are a democratic state.

We are not a Noah's Ark for people from failed states or social policy disagreements.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 3:55pm:


If they disagree with the current Russian government's policies, then they're likely to support our values, aren't they?? Which means they would most likely be allowed to permanently migrate to Australia.

Being against homosexuality is not the criteria; it's whether you believe homosexual acts should be criminalized that is the bar here. Many Russians, as do Australians believe that homosexuality is not nature, etc. but nearly all Australians would believe that they shouldn't be thrown in jail for their acts.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 3:55pm:


No, you're conflating fundamentalism with conservative. Yes, fundamentalist Christians, Jews and Hindus wouldn't share these values, but then I also want to screen those people too. Conservatives are different to fundamentalist views.

The whole process is about screening those who wish to become citizens of Australians. If you are wanting to exert your civic duty to vote, then you should hold the values of that country. That doesn't mean you're not welcome to Australia to study visit, or live on a temporary basis.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 3:55pm:


No one is to be deported for holding different views. And no, I disagree, I don't agree that one-third of the Australian population support theocracy.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 3:55pm:


No, it wouldn't. It would flag only those who believe women to be second-class citizens.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 3:55pm:


Oooh, so first I"m a rapist, and now I'm a murderer???

Get a grip, Brian. You're reputation as a sound progressive is slowly losing its traction as you make ad hominem arguments.

Tsk, tsk.

ROTFLMAO
What sort of debater was that again bwian...  I can hear someone saying Mass or maths...

Auggie wrote on Jan 19^th, 2018 at 6:17pm:


What are Australia's interests in this case?   Surely they hold and voice their views in a liberal democracy?   Or are such views to be outlawed?  Really?   

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No idea.  I'd hazard a guess at about 10-15%?   There is a deep vein of conservatism in our society which you appear to conveniently overlook all the time, Augie.

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You obviously haven't met many conservatives I'd suggest, Augie if you believe that.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 19^th, 2018 at 4:15pm:


Because it's important for the social fabric of society.
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According to whom?  You?  Sorry, the world doesn't operate that way, Augie.  Get out, meet more Australians is what I'd recommend.  You might be surprised.

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A third of the population holds values which are considered "conservative" on the political scale, Augie.  Deal with it.  Stop trying to avoid it.   It was evidenced in the SSM Postal Survey.   A third wasn't sufficient to prevent the vote going ahead in Parliament.   It was still though a third.  Which is in anybody's terms, a significant minority.

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See above, Augie.  A third held conservative views on SSM.   

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Yet you refuse to allow in migrants who want to be citizens who hold similar views.   Appears to be you're engaged in a little bit of "social engineering" there, Augie.  Tsk, tsk.   

Ok, Brian. I fold. You've won the argument. I will re-evaluate my point of view on this.

Grendel wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 11:46am:


Well, that's what I thought.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 1:27pm:


Why thank you, that is very humble of you.

Paris after the Africans visited:






They can pray on the street but can they clean up they shite on the streets?


Yes and no, of course. Bloody mongrels.

Coercion?
No, no, none of that, you just have to toe the Prog line or fail your exams etc, etc, etc...
You are simply taught the LW PC Prog version of reality.
No Coercion.

bwian has you listed for re-education though....

Multi-Cultural:

Where all 'international' Cultures stand with British Culture that declares anything 'Australian' as a 'Criminal' activity, beyond the 'original' Aboriginal culture.

So anything that considers itself a 'stand alone' CULTURE that is uniquely different to any other culture as 'Australian' - will be persecuted by British, Aboriginal & every other 'international' culture.

So far, waving thongs and merchandise with the Australian 'Flag' doesn't cut it really on 'Political' Day (26th Jan) as 'uniquely Australian'. 

So, Australia is a Multi-cultural Nation where British, Aboriginal, and the 'Colonialistic' American input (holds onto the past) all share with other international 'cultures' here on 'Political Day.

For Australia to declare an 'Independent Culture' beyond all of the above will be an 'act of Suicide', like the USA Independence was a War for Race.

Until then.
Happy British Political Day that is celebrated by people who live like Americans 

Well you won't learn much that is factual or truthful from bwian.

Jasin wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:50pm:


Speaking of that, I saw an ad on a bus stop this morning that said "Do the math".

NO!

I'll do the maths.

This is Australia - we have mathematics (maths).

This is not the US, where they apparently only have mathematic (math).