Auggie wrote on Jan 7
th, 2018 at 11:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7
th, 2018 at 3:47pm:
You have evidence this is not happening with Muslims, Augie? Real, verifiable evidence or just a "feeling"?
You only need to look at Europe. I don't buy the argument that Europeans have been hostile to migrants. Asian migrants in Europe seemed to have done quite well. France is an open and tolerant society, and has been for decades.
Well, first up, we aren't Europe. We are Australians, in Australia. Secondly, you have no understanding of the problems that Asian migrants have had in Europe - the Indians, the Pakistanis, the Bangladeshis, etc. They are still not accepted in the UK. They are not accepted that well in France or Germany, or any other European country. Antagonism towards them has been in the past, extreme. It is only the arrival of large numbers of Muslims from the Middle-East and SW Asia which has changed that.
Quote:The issue is the number of Muslim migrants in those countries, up to 7.5% of the population in the case of France.
Well, who's fault is that? The Muslim migrants or the French authorities? When they were desperate for factory fodder, they welcomed the Muslim migrants. When factories closed, and competition became more fierce they turned on the most recent migrants. The Germans have long been antagonistic towards their Turkish "guest workers".
Quote:The reason why Muslims are well integrated in the United States and Australia is because there's less of them.
Well, percentage wise, yes, I'd agree. However, in absolute numbers, in the US they far outweigh the numbers downunder. You also seem to be assuming all American Muslims are migrants to the USA. Very few are. Most American Muslims are domestically "grown" - either converts or born there, as are most Australian Muslims.
Quote:Which is exactly my point. It's about numbers. SA has less Muslims and so they integrate better into society compared with Sydney where there are more numbers. When you have smaller numbers they are easier to integrate into society.
Numbers are meaningless. South Australia has had a far longer association with Muslims than Sydney has. We had Camellers back in the mid-late-19th century. Sydney had a handful of sailors. Adelaide has one of the oldest Mosques in Australia, in the city centre. Muslims are basically accepted by most South Australians. Sydneysiders appear to have problems. I don't think it is the Muslim's fault completely. I'd suggest it was in part, the Sydneysiders'. They don't like people who are different. They don't like the Indochinese, they don't like the Muslims.
Quote:Second, as a side note, Turkey has been a secular state and cannot be used as valid example. Also, your Afghan friend has been here for generations. In both cases, they're not really comparable examples.
I disagree. Both demonstrate that Muslims can integrate and do become part of the wider Australian community. I remember my Turkish-Cypriot friend being very welcomed in the local RSL before 11 September. Afterwards? Everybody was suspicious. He hadn't changed - they had.
Quote:So, the answer is no. So, how do you know that he's integrated? Integration is about your values. If your neighbour believes in Sharia law, then he hasn't integrated. Sure, he hates terrorists, so do we all. Maybe he does support Sharia law???
How do I know you're integrated, Augie? Mmm? Don't ask stupid questions. Does he dance around in an Arab robe, waving a sword, screaming "Allahu Akaba"? Of course bloody not. Apart from the fact he isn't Arab. You have some really weird ideas, I'd suggest, really weird ideas.
Quote:Exactly, and we're starting to witness the affects of it. 7% of 50 million is a significant number, as is 4% of 50 million. America has 0.9% Muslims. Wonder why they better integrate into American society?
Because America accepts them, in their major cities. Outside, they are just as narrow minded as it appears you are, Augie. Even more so. "Towel heads? Kill 'em all!"
Quote:The things, you and the Islamic apologists appear to act is if it 0.000001% of which support Terrorism. This demonstrably untrue.
I believe a tiny minority in Australia actively support Terrorism, Augie. Figures? Don't have them but it seems to be mainly young, impressionable people who the Police catch. Yet you seem to think that the majority of Muslims support Terrorism. Why? Because the media tells you that? Tsk, tsk.