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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 80183 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Eurosceptics make running in Italy Reply #15 - Jan 13^th, 2018 at 12:03am Italian Brexit - Scataly.... Germany Off Weidersein .. Poland Polaxed ... parting is Swede Sorrow... Norway is No Way ....... Denmark is Don't Mark Yes....
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Re: Eurosceptics make running in Italy
Reply #16 - Jan 13^th, 2018 at 5:24am

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2018 at 11:46pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 6^th, 2018 at 10:21pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 6^th, 2018 at 1:10pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 3:30pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 2:32pm:

They're loyal to their cities, their language, their food and their culture, but hardly their nation or political system.

Much like multiculturalism in Australia, hey Karns

Australia owes a huge amount to Italian immigrants. They started our coffee culture, which has now been exported to New York. Australian coffee roasters are now big business. Italians revolutionised out eating habits. Back in the 80s, supermarkets sold three brands of cheese, Kraft, Koon and Bega. Not anymore. Chicken Parmiagana is now listed as an Australian dish on tourist sites. Pizza is everywhere.

Pizza, by the way, was given to Italy by the Arabs, who are now the main pizza cooks where I live. Without a doubt, Italians have made Australia a better place, just as the Arabs gave their bit to Italy, and on and on it goes. Monocultures rarely exist, and free trade and immigration benefits everyone. It certainly transformed Australia from a sleepy, stodgy colonial outpost to a vibrant, interesting culture.

Our culture is multicultural, just as the Romans and Venetians and Florentines changed Europe - for good.

I agree with this, Karnal.

Yes but she said Italians are "hardly loyal to their nation or political system" ... just cities, language, food and culture

Can we take that to mean that Italians here are not loyal to Australia and it's political system?

They're loyal to our currency.....................

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Re: Eurosceptics make running in Italy
Reply #17 - Jan 13^th, 2018 at 11:06am

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 6^th, 2018 at 1:10pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 3:30pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 2:32pm:

They're loyal to their cities, their language, their food and their culture, but hardly their nation or political system.

Much like multiculturalism in Australia, hey Karns

Australia owes a huge amount to Italian immigrants. They started our coffee culture, which has now been exported to New York. Australian coffee roasters are now big business. Italians revolutionised out eating habits. Back in the 80s, supermarkets sold three brands of cheese, Kraft, Koon and Bega. Not anymore. Chicken Parmiagana is now listed as an Australian dish on tourist sites. Pizza is everywhere.

Pizza, by the way, was given to Italy by the Arabs, who are now the main pizza cooks where I live. Without a doubt, Italians have made Australia a better place, just as the Arabs gave their bit to Italy, and on and on it goes. Monocultures rarely exist, and free trade and immigration benefits everyone. It certainly transformed Australia from a sleepy, stodgy colonial outpost to a vibrant, interesting culture.

Our culture is multicultural, just as the Romans and Venetians and Florentines changed Europe - for good.

Of course Italians have made great migrants. The more the merrier. But this is relevant to what exactly here?
As usual nothing at all, except to lead the conversation away on a tangent.
I'll explain it to you in simple terms - It's about political change in Italy perhaps leading to an exit from either the Eurozone or the EU itself.

In the meantime, another party - the Northern League - has been increasing in support and voicing the same concerns about the EU & migration as a growing number of other countries in Europe.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Eurosceptics make running in Italy Reply #18 - Jan 13^th, 2018 at 12:47pm Berlusconi has thrown a cat among the pigeons, promising a flat tax rate of 23%, declining over time to 20%. Forza Italia! Can he ever be a forza again is the question?
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 80183 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Eurosceptics make running in Italy Reply #19 - Jan 13^th, 2018 at 12:56pm In Greece it's DeSparture...... Russia Rackenoff ..... I do like Czech-Out....
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Re: Eurosceptics make running in Italy
Reply #20 - Jan 13^th, 2018 at 3:42pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 11:06am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 6^th, 2018 at 1:10pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 3:30pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 2:32pm:

They're loyal to their cities, their language, their food and their culture, but hardly their nation or political system.

Much like multiculturalism in Australia, hey Karns

Australia owes a huge amount to Italian immigrants. They started our coffee culture, which has now been exported to New York. Australian coffee roasters are now big business. Italians revolutionised out eating habits. Back in the 80s, supermarkets sold three brands of cheese, Kraft, Koon and Bega. Not anymore. Chicken Parmiagana is now listed as an Australian dish on tourist sites. Pizza is everywhere.

Pizza, by the way, was given to Italy by the Arabs, who are now the main pizza cooks where I live. Without a doubt, Italians have made Australia a better place, just as the Arabs gave their bit to Italy, and on and on it goes. Monocultures rarely exist, and free trade and immigration benefits everyone. It certainly transformed Australia from a sleepy, stodgy colonial outpost to a vibrant, interesting culture.

Our culture is multicultural, just as the Romans and Venetians and Florentines changed Europe - for good.

Of course Italians have made great migrants. The more the merrier. But this is relevant to what exactly here?
As usual nothing at all, except to lead the conversation away on a tangent.
I'll explain it to you in simple terms - It's about political change in Italy perhaps leading to an exit from either the Eurozone or the EU itself.

In the meantime, another party - the Northern League - has been increasing in support and voicing the same concerns about the EU & migration as a growing number of other countries in Europe.

I have not veered from this topic, Bogie. Italy is 100% behind Europe. I've explained why.

But I'm curious. Do you think the Mafia have made great migrants?

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Re: Eurosceptics make running in Italy
Reply #21 - Jan 13^th, 2018 at 4:08pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 6^th, 2018 at 1:10pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 3:30pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 2:32pm:

They're loyal to their cities, their language, their food and their culture, but hardly their nation or political system.

Much like multiculturalism in Australia, hey Karns

Australia owes a huge amount to Italian immigrants. They started our coffee culture, which has now been exported to New York. Australian coffee roasters are now big business. Italians revolutionised out eating habits. Back in the 80s, supermarkets sold three brands of cheese, Kraft, Koon and Bega. Not anymore. Chicken Parmiagana is now listed as an Australian dish on tourist sites. Pizza is everywhere.

Pizza, by the way, was given to Italy by the Arabs, who are now the main pizza cooks where I live. Without a doubt, Italians have made Australia a better place, just as the Arabs gave their bit to Italy, and on and on it goes. Monocultures rarely exist, and free trade and immigration benefits everyone. It certainly transformed Australia from a sleepy, stodgy colonial outpost to a vibrant, interesting culture.

Our culture is multicultural, just as the Romans and Venetians and Florentines changed Europe - for good.

Lot of bollocks in a short post.
Our culture is not multicultural.
Immigration and trade don't equal multiculturalism.
And pizza comes from Roman bakers, testing the hotness of their ovens before baking their bread. They put oil on those little patches of bread.

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Re: Eurosceptics make running in Italy
Reply #22 - Jan 13^th, 2018 at 5:41pm

Frank wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 4:08pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 6^th, 2018 at 1:10pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 3:30pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2018 at 2:32pm:

They're loyal to their cities, their language, their food and their culture, but hardly their nation or political system.

Much like multiculturalism in Australia, hey Karns

Australia owes a huge amount to Italian immigrants. They started our coffee culture, which has now been exported to New York. Australian coffee roasters are now big business. Italians revolutionised out eating habits. Back in the 80s, supermarkets sold three brands of cheese, Kraft, Koon and Bega. Not anymore. Chicken Parmiagana is now listed as an Australian dish on tourist sites. Pizza is everywhere.

Pizza, by the way, was given to Italy by the Arabs, who are now the main pizza cooks where I live. Without a doubt, Italians have made Australia a better place, just as the Arabs gave their bit to Italy, and on and on it goes. Monocultures rarely exist, and free trade and immigration benefits everyone. It certainly transformed Australia from a sleepy, stodgy colonial outpost to a vibrant, interesting culture.

Our culture is multicultural, just as the Romans and Venetians and Florentines changed Europe - for good.

Lot of bollocks in a short post.
Our culture is not multicultural.

The old boy, you see, likes Danish.

Can't say that these days, now can we?

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92241 Gender:	Re: Eurosceptics make running in Italy Reply #23 - Jan 13^th, 2018 at 5:57pm And pizza is from Napoli, as every schoolboy knows.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 80183 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Eurosceptics make running in Italy Reply #24 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 2:13pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 12:56pm: In Greece it's DeSparture...... Russia Rackenoff ..... I do like Czech-Out.... Spain is looking at Mad-Rid-Of! Portugal Lis-Gone! Holland Rotten-damn!
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Re: Eurosceptics make running in Italy
Reply #25 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:51am

The conservative Lega Nord party has apparently reached a coalition agreement with two other parties, including Berlusconi's Forza Italia, and they are now favourites to take power.

Standing behind a podium emblazoned with "Stop Ivasione", coalition leader Matteo Silvioni said "Islam is incompatible with our values" and "the EU can go f**k itself".

I think that's what you call speaking your mind.

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Reply #26 - Jan 24^th, 2018 at 10:27am

Salvini is out there stumping that the euro is a ‘crime against mankind.’ . . .

I believe that one single currency for 18 economies, each different in its own way, just won’t work in the long term." But statistics here is more important than anything else.

“Since the introduction of the current currency, Italy’s debt has risen by €900bn. This experiment has failed and we should not go any further down this road.”

Salvini, if elected, will be facing the same thing. But will have support from Five Star Movement. So, it will be very hard for him to betray Italy to Brussels the way Tsipras did Greece. In fact, the path of least resistance for him is to call the EU’s bluff and allow the Italian Banks in trouble to fail.

This throws the decision back to Brussels to deal with the problem.

Because remember one thing, Salvini is right, Italy’s debt is 134% of GDP. Most of the Italian banks are dealing with portfolios with NPLs (Non-performing loans) that top 40%.

Italy’s banking system is in terminal decline.

. . .If Germany tries to strong-arm Italy the same way that they strong-armed the Greeks, I don’t see it going the same way. Ultimately, despite Berlusconi’s wrangling, a plurality of Italians are backing fundamentally Euroskeptic parties.

If Salvini is the real deal, he would use his alliance with Berlusconi to raise Lega Norda’s profile to 20%, then build a coalition with M5S after the votes are tallied, freezing out any chance of hijacking the process.

In the end, it won’t be hard for whoever is in power to make the argument in the face of a major banking and sovereign debt crisis. Framing Germany as the bad guy will be easy and at that point the EU dives head first into its first real challenge to its authority.

:Extract from article "Berlusconi, Italeave, & How To Checkmate Germany" by Tom Luongo
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Reply #27 - Jan 29^th, 2018 at 12:34pm

Matteo Salvini has promised that if he becomes PM he will deport 500,000 migrants over his 5 year term, starting with 100,000 in his first year.

I didn't think there were that many in Italy. I thought they'd all gone to Germany & Sweden, where rape & pillage is acceptable.

If the EU is unhappy with Poland et al, imagine the abuse it will heap on Salvini. They might have to hire 40,000 more bureaucrats for an anti- Salvini department.

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Reply #28 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 2:05pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2018 at 12:34pm:

Matteo Salvini has promised that if he becomes PM he will deport 500,000 migrants over his 5 year term, starting with 100,000 in his first year.

I didn't think there were that many in Italy. I thought they'd all gone to Germany & Sweden, where rape & pillage is acceptable.

If the EU is unhappy with Poland et al, imagine the abuse it will heap on Salvini. They might have to hire 40,000 more bureaucrats for an anti- Salvini department.

Most go to Italy. They get boats from Tunisia or Algeria to the islands off Sicily.

The very reason the Krauts have refugees is they take them from countries like Italy and Greece. This is why the EU has a refugee quota - to help Italy and Greece and share the load.

You see a lot of Africans in Sicily these days. They sell belts and wallets on street corners or shorts and towels at the beach. They seem nice enough. They're making a go of it.

To my knowledge there is no African crime wave, organised crime or lawlessness. The Mafia still have Sicily sorted.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Eurosceptics make running in Italy Reply #29 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 2:16pm But then you make it your business not to seek out the news the bought & spoken-for media won't tell you. Every schoolboy knows that.
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