mmigrants to Australia must embrace Western values and assimilate
Rita Panahi, Herald Sun
December 20, 2017 5:30pm






There is enough crime in Australia without successive governments importing large numbers of people incapable or unwilling to respect our laws.
Elements of the Lebanese and Sudanese population continue to be over-represented in crime statistics, dramatically so in some categories.
Sudanese-born youth are more than 120 times as likely to commit an aggravated burglary, according to Victorian Crime Statistics Agency figures.
We learnt last year that two-thirds of those arrested for terrorism-related offences in Australia were from second- and third-generation Lebanese Muslim backgrounds.
And yet the mere mention of this by Immigration Minister Peter Dutton, who noted the folly of Malcolm Fraser’s “Lebanon concession”, sent the usual race-baiting malcontents into a victim-playing frenzy with predictable cries of “racism” and “xenophobia”.
Lebanese Muslim Association president Samier Dandan accused the government of having a “toxic, assimilationist, nationalist” agenda and labelled Dutton’s comments “racist”, while Fairfax feminists called for his sacking.
Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young called Dutton “a racist bigot” and Opposition Leader Bill Shorten demanded he apologise for his “ignorant stupidity” and the “disgraceful comments he made about migrants in Australia”.
The Left’s customary reaction to inconvenient yet indisputable facts is to scream “Nazi, racist, bigot, Islamophobe” in the hope of silencing opposing views.
Such smears can be an effective tool in shutting down debate but they do not change the data or the incidence of violent crime.
Figures released this year show that in 2016, one in seven Sudanese-born Victorians aged 10 to 24 was charged with a crime.
Muslims are dramatically over-represented in the prison population: 9 per cent of prisoners, including 20 per cent of maximum-security prisoners, are from Muslim backgrounds.
A remarkable figure, given only about 3 per cent of the population identify as Muslim.
The statistics mirror what we’ve seen in NSW, and present serious concerns for the criminal justice system, particularly given the growing Muslim population in Australia.
Of course, most crime in this country is committed by Australian-born offenders, given that they are the vast majority of the population. But it is the extraordinary over-representation of some groups that needs attention.
Last week, we saw hundreds of “youths of African appearance” involved in a prolonged brawl around the St Kilda foreshore. Over several hours, they were involved in assaults, thefts and property damage, and yet police failed to make an arrest.
Inspector Jason Kelly said: “Their behaviour was just totally unacceptable, and I’d call on them to come forward … before we track them down.”
Surely such obvious criminality in a public place should see scores arrested, not just a call for the culprits to come in at their leisure.
Later that same day, County Court judge Elizabeth Gaynor allowed a young offender, who was spared jail despite arming himself with a sledgehammer during terrifying jewellery store robberies that netted over $200,000, to holiday in Sudan while on bail.
The decision was made despite concerns from prosecutors that Akon Mawien, 20, was a flight risk.
Is it any wonder that people are losing faith in the justice system?
As someone who has long advocated for both Australia’s high skilled immigration intake, as well as our generous humanitarian program, I understand the damage that is done when a minority of immigrants fail to assimilate.
It goes without saying that the vast majority of migrants are proud, productive members of Australian society and many migrant communities are under-represented in crime and imprisonment rates.
New Australians are often more patriotic and protective of this country than those fortunate enough to have been born here.
For many of us, this is truly the lucky country: welcoming, tolerant, peaceful and prosperous.
But for any individual or group to successfully integrate into Australian life, there needs to be an adherence to certain non-negotiables, including respecting the law.
Assimilation is not a dirty word. It is not only desirable, but imperative for a cohesive society.
If you can’t embrace core Western values of freedom, democracy and equality, then you have no business migrating to Australia.

Oooohhhhh

Bwyannnnn will be apoplectic with rage over these facts.

Sort of blows his lies and protestations that muzzos are wonderful human beings, out of the water

DON'T IT????????
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cods wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 1:54pm:

They put the Islamic call to prayer over loud speakers in NSW and Victorian jails and Pecca believes there's no problem Cods????

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 2:00pm:

It must be somewhere because she found it. I can't.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 2:03pm:


"Prisoner statistics broken down by religion are not publically available in Australia."

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 2:08pm:

So are you saying that the Herald Sun is lying?

"Information on the numbers of Muslims in prisons is
not available through the Census ... "

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 2:10pm:

Oh how convenient. You believe your Christian wife basher crap but this is fake????

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 2:08pm:

I just posted the article Brian. I didn't see you arguing against Pecca's Christian bashing thread.

No muslim crime problem and no African gang problem.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-01/african-gang-crime-out-of-control-in-me...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 2:16pm:



"Prisoner statistics broken down by religion are not publically available in Australia."

If Islam doesn't promote or at least condone criminal activity - what is it that pushes Muslims to a high crime rate?

You'll note I did honestly post significant factors in Muslim experience here - none related to 'discrimination' BTW, but more likely the need to get with the program and catch up with the way things are done here.

I'll re-post it here - for the sake of integrity in this discussion:-

"Inequalities
Muslims are less likely to own or to be purchasing
their homes than the average Australian. They are
more likely to be renting privately.
There are significant differences in income between
Muslim Australians and the Australian population as
a whole. Muslims tend to earn significantly less, both
at the household and individual levels. A quarter of
all Muslim children in Australia are living in poverty,
compared with 14% of all Australian children.
Muslims have higher rates of unemployment than
the general population, and are less likely to be in the
labour market.
Older Muslims are significantly more likely to be
disabled, or to need assistance with core activities,
than Australians in general.
On subjective measures of well-being, such as surveys
of personal well-being and community connections,
Muslims feel similar levels of well-being to Australians
in general. The exception is that Muslims are less
likely to feel safe"

Page 14 (16 of 88)  - https://www.unisa.edu.au/Global/EASS/MnM/Publications/Australian_Muslims_Report_...

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 2:23pm:


I would suggest circumstance.  Not religion.  Indeed I would suggest religion - of all kinds - discourages actively, criminality amongst its' believers...

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 2:33pm:


I suppose it comes down, then, to what any respective religion views as criminal and as non-criminal - just a cultural difference?

I think we should all be seeing the very deep and dark chasm we are facing here...... sometimes those 'cultural differences' are the difference between criminality and non-criminality, and sometimes between life and death..... including death which the deceased has in no way provoked other than by simply being........

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 2:29pm:


Nothing yet?

Keep looking.

............. in old news.... 9% of all Australian prisoners in gaols are Muslim, figures show..........<<<

                     

................. in breaking news, The Grappler is weary of posting facts for fools https://www.unisa.edu.au/Global/EASS/MnM/Publications/Australian_Muslims_Report_..., says GregPec is obviously insane............<<<

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 2:33pm:


Yes.  Do you have evidence that mainstream Islam encourages the killing of anybody?  Or are you just working from your Islamophobia?  Tsk, tsk.   

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 2:42pm:


It doesn't exist.

That's the point.

It's why you have no argument - just bigoted, ill-informed opinion.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 2:39pm:



Oh, dear.  Generally, most Imams are the least well educated members of their communities.  They know their Q'ran, word for word, by rote.  They have little experience of the real world and the society around theirs.  That Grand Mufti wasn't very well educated at all.   The one that has replaced him, is much smarter and much better educated.   He has not made any outlandish statements.  However, I wonder why people reacted so badly to that statement, when one considers that essentially the same sentiments were expressed by Fred Nile, in the NSW Upper House numerous times and outside the House as well.   Those comments were basically laughed off, ignored and forgotten about.  The media sensationalised the comments by the ex-Grand Mufti though.  Funny that, hey?

Evangelising religions like Christian and Islam in particular seek new converts actively.  They want people to believe in their messages.  Some do, some don't, some won't.   No religion promotes lawlessness.  Why?  Because all religions protect property, people, things.   They are designed to do so and are actively encouraged to do so by their members because they all are people, all possess property and like things.  Islam is no different - except in it's tiny minority who seek to change the world to their ideal, just as the minority of Christians do as well.

What makes people become criminals is not their religion.  It is their circumstance.  Social dislocation, poor education, a sense of "alienation", discouragement from within and without their communities are some of the problems that people face.  The Lebanese in particular, were just dumped into Australian society by the Fraser Government.  They expected the Australian community to rally 'round and provide their social, religious, psychological needs and so on.   They didn't.   So, many young Lebanese, traumatised by the civil war they had fled, turned to criminality.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 3:00pm:

The Vietnamese were extremely traumatised by war and they've moved on Brian. That's a poor excuse. I agree, you can't just dump people into society and expect them to become model citizens. That's why I have always said multiculturalism should always be planned. That's why I'm sceptical of the current way of conducting multiculturalism.

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 3:07pm:


The one practised in many forms by the overwhelming majority of Muslims.  Not the one practised by the Salafists, the extremists, the Terrorists?

Appears that point keep passing right over your head.  I wonder why?  Islamophobia?  Tsk, tsk.   

cods wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 4:30pm:



Do you feel the same way about the Indochinese, Cods?  How about the Japanese and the Chinese?  You go to their suburbs and guess what languages the signs are in?

Muslims look different, they act different, they worship differently.  Why couldn't they just be like all of us, hey?

You do realise everything you claim about Muslims was once claimed about the Irish, the Italians, the Greeks, the Yogoslavs, the Serbs, the Croats, the Bosnians, the Germans, the Spanish, etc?   It was claimed about the Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox, and so on.   Did any of the claims made about them come out the way they were described?  Really?

Grow up, Cods, act your age.   Muslims are Australians just as you are.   

Secret Wars wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 5:52pm:



We have seen the Irish, the Italians, the Greeks, the Yugoslavs, the Poles, the Germans, the Spanish, the Indochinese, the Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox, the Hindus treated in exactly the same way we are treating the Muslims.   None of those supposed "threats" ever worked out the way the detractors claimed.  None of the threats claimed from the overwhelming majority of Muslims will work out.  The bollards, the Semis are temporary.   In five, ten, twenty years, they won't be remembered except by the Islamophobes and the Xenophobes.   Time to grow up.   Muslims are overwhelming not a threat to Australian society.  Tsk, tsk.   

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 5:36pm:

If they planned things they wouldn't have dumped troubled  peoples (Sudanese, Lebanese) into our suburbs without thought. Look what we have now?

Retrospective hanging of all Muslims in jail would fix the problem.
We could add Sudanese crime gang members to the list.

I don't know if Hammer would do that for free?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 6:09pm:


In part I agree with you, however the Lebanese were (relatively) early on in the process.  The Sudanese are much later but it appears both suffer from the same ill-effects of prolonged civil war and both come from tribal societies.  They should have learnt from the Lebanese experience but they have I agree, it seems repeated it with the Sudanese.   However, in neither case is it necessarily because of the policy of Multiculturalism.   It is more about the immigration and settlement programs.

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You idiot bwian.


We need to discriminate more bwian and choose people and cultures more compatible with the Australian culture...  or are you still denying we have one?

I have challenged bwyannnnnnn to go and live in his beloved Islamic ruled country.

But not only is he a failed soldiers (possibly) and a failed academic (it specialist he he).
He is also a failed coward.

Too cowardly to ever even leave his house, he trolls the web and lives life vicariously on his screen.

No one who has ever been to a muzzo RUN country considers Islam as anything other than a brutal, barbaric EVIL CULT.

GO ON BWYANNNNNNNN, BE BRAVE GO TO A MUZZO COUNTRY.
do us all a favour,

Ps
Take the other one line troll with you, it would be a double blessing for the forum.

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Where does the author get those stats from?

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 6:35pm:


Considering that "Prisoner statistics broken down by religion are not publically available in Australia", it's a very good question.

At least she had the good sense to say that "Of course, most crime in this country is committed by Australian-born offenders".

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/community-under-siege/muslim-jailhouse-...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/rita-panahi/immigrants-to-australia-must-embra...

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 6:48pm:



They are part of the humanitarian stream.  They don't need any points to qualify.  They just need to come from a refugee camp in Kenya/Uganda in the case of the South Sudanese refugees.

"Prisoner statistics broken down by religion are not publically available in Australia".

Rita Panahi provided no citation for her claims on crime statistics (standard journalistic practice) despite citing other claims in her article....I find the claim to be dubious at best without citing evidence to support the the veracity of her argument!!!



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/rita-panahi/immigrants-to-australia-must-embra...

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 7:42pm:


Indeed, for all she revealed, she likely just plucked it out of her right wing arse.  And of course, the lemmings fall for it.  No surprise I guess.

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 7:45pm:


Of course she plucked it out of her arse.

Well, she actually stole it from US statistics, but the result is still the same.

And yes, these rightards will believe any lie presented to them if it supports their bigoted views.

For example, they love to say that "Muslims are over-represented in crime statistics", despite the fact that religion is not recorded in any official crime statistics.

I repeat: religion is not recorded in any official crime statistics.

It's just something that they've fabricated.

A complete and utter lie.

Lies, ignorance, irrational fear, and bigotry - these are the fundamental characteristics of a rightard.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 8:12pm:


Paywall.

Again, she plucked it out of her arse.

"Prisoner statistics broken down by religion are not publically available in Australia".

Moreover, crime statistics do not record the religion of every criminal.

To suggest otherwise is a complete and utter lie.

And stop trolling.

You know damn well the stats are right.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 8:16pm:


She pulled the figures out of her bigoted right-wing arse.

If you maintain that she accessed the official stats under FOI laws, the onus is on you to provide the proof.

Over to you ...

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 8:24pm:


If you maintain that she accessed the official stats under FOI laws, the onus is on you to provide the proof.

Until then, it's just another lie.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 8:25pm:



I showed you Dept of corrective Services figures that showed the same figure....

"Prisoner statistics broken down by religion are not publically available in Australia".

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 8:53pm:


Where, Graps, please.  I must have missed that.  Did it provide a link to the statistics and where they were sourced from?

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 9:51pm:


I think 90% of prisoners are male. The percentages are evening up, I am lead to believe.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 9:57pm:


Department of Corrective Services, NSW, Greg.. the horse's mouth... now if you find it hard to associate the rate of incarceration per capita of a select group with the general exercise of criminal behaviour of the same group.... well .. let's just say that the same group,within an error of 1-2% at most, engages in criminal activity that does not require incarceration.. and never forget that incarceration is not handed down for many reasons, some of them 'cultural' these days.

You can lead a hose to water, but you can't make it drink...... unless you suck on it......

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Link?

The link looks at the two most populous states - NSW and Victoria - I would have no problem with accepting that the same may well apply, in regard to population percentage, in all other states and territories.........

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 10:52pm:


No, I want to see credible links.  So much unsubstantiated crap is posted here as evidence, and it turns out to be nothing more than the bigoted opinion of a poster with a Muslim bee in their bonnet.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 1:51pm:


Rita Panahi  is an ex muslim from Iran.

Nice pic of her wearing a Hijab as a kid.

https://www.facebook.com/RitaPanahiColumnist/

https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi