Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16
th, 2018 at 4:51pm:
Yet you keep posting Islamophobic things, Augie. Perhaps you need to look at what you are posting?
I've looked and checked. Not Islamophobic. Keep using that word.
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16
th, 2018 at 4:51pm:
Of course they contribue, Augie.
Many of them do contribute, mainly financially. They also contribute in other ways too. I'm saying that you cannot contribute unless you integrate into society.
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16
th, 2018 at 4:51pm:
Sure, they may be distasteful to some people but as you note, they are allowed to have them.
Of course, people have the right to hold pernicious beliefs if they want to. The point is, should be importing more of them into Australia?? Shouldn't we think about limiting the intake of all migrants so that we can have a policy that is focused toward integration? I don't believe in discrimination based on culture and religion; if we're going to axe migration, then that includes Christians from Syria too.
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16
th, 2018 at 4:51pm:
We don't examine them in the way you appear to be demanding that Muslims should be examined, Augie. As you've noted, in a free and democratic society, they are allowed to have them if they want. Just as conservative Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. have conservative viewpoints as well.
The point isn't whether or not they have the right to have them, it's whether or not we should allow a policy that lets in people who hold these beliefs and aren't willing to change??? Our policy should be focused on integration/assimilation.
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16
th, 2018 at 4:51pm:
all proposing severe undemocratic limits on the immigration,
Please specify what you mean by 'undemocratic limits on immigration???'
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16
th, 2018 at 4:51pm:
residence and so on
Residence, no. There should be no discrimination. Having a restricted immigration policy is not Islamophobic. Once migrants come to this country they should all be treated equally with no distinction between race, culture or religion. Everyone works their way up to citizenship at the same starting line.
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16
th, 2018 at 4:51pm:
The views of most moderate Muslims are pretty much the same as most moderate Australians. No one is seriously proposing that Gays should be thrown off buildings, that they should be allowed to beat women and so on and so on. There are few malcontents who do but the majority of moderate Muslims don't. You seem unwilling to accept that for some reason. I wonder why?
I accept that many Muslims don't want to gays off buildings or beat women. I fully accept that. It is also well-known that many Islamists move among the civilian and migrant populations to establish an area of influence, such as Salafist mosques or preachers. What I'm saying is that as the number of Muslims increase, the number of those who hold pernicious beliefs will likewise increase. For example, working on the 5% figure; if the Muslim population of Australia reaches 10%, then 100,000 people will deemed to be Islamists. That's a significant number of people, and whilst they don't represent the majority, it's enough to be organised and to influence other people.
This is what we're seeing in Europe in France and Britain where populations are increasing. As you said, we cannot know adequate who these people are or what they believe.
Second, when communities don't integrate properly, this creates isolations which leads to more incentive among some (not all) people to cling on to extremist ideologies. Radicalization is quite high in Britain.
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16
th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
apanese treat Muslims differently has clearly been refuted. Numbers do not matter in that discussion at all, Augie. When you admit you were wrong, we can move on. The Japanese do not have special rules for Muslims in Japan. Tsk, tsk.
No, no, no, Brian. I never said that the Japanese treat Muslims differently; you're putting words in my mouth. I asked why there weren't any terrorist attacks in the name of Islam in Japan. I replied that it was because there so few.
The Japanese don't take in Asylum seekers, BR.