Auggie wrote on Jan 14
th, 2018 at 8:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14
th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
The moderates are the majority, Augie. Did you watch "The Mosque Next Door"? Not any extremists there but we have the Islamophobes claiming all Muslims are extremists. Islam is to them, extremist. Do you believe that? I hope not, yet you appear to be acting as if it is what you believe.
You can't make this claim unless you specifically define what a moderate Muslim is. I've never claimed that all Muslims are extremists.
Yet you are increasingly acting like that is what you believe, Augie.
A moderate Muslim is one that is law abiding, has no interest in Terrorism and is well assimilated to the broader Australian community. I am surprised you need that, anybody else automatically understands what the term "moderate Muslim" means. You wonder why I worry about what I perceive is increasingly your Islamophobic views? Why question what a "moderate" is? The overwhelming majority of Muslims or any cultural group are "moderate" in their tone and their speech, Augie.
Quote:Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14
th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
Terrorism in Australia has been rather unsuccessful. Sure, we've had a series of minor attacks, with small casualty rates. Why? Because the moderates talk to ASIO, to the Police, they report the extremists. They don't like them any more than the rest of us do. Why? Have you ever asked yourself that? Really?
Why has Japan had no terrorist attacks in the name of Islam?? Gee, wonder why? Is that because there are as many Muslims in Japan as you can count on your finger???
Ah, you're buying into the Islamophobe meme that the Japanese place special controls on Muslims in their society.
As Snopes points out, that is bullshit. The Japanese don't place any controls on Muslims in their society. As to numbers, Wikipedia suggests your claim of "on one finger" is also an Islamophobic lie, Augie.
There are between 30,000 and 100,000 Muslims in Japan. Quote:It all comes down to number. The more Muslims we have immigrating, the more attacks we'll have. You'll see.
No, the more Muslims and fewer Imams who are professionally trained, the greater likelihood that young Muslims will become radicalised, Augie. What we need are more professionally trained Imams, teaching the young the correct, moderate version of Islam, not the radical version that the radicals adhere to.
Quote:Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14
th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
Define a "SIGNIFICANT MINORITY", Augie? In Australian society? 1%? 2%? 5%? 10%? 25%? 49%? Where is your evidence to support that claim? Mmmm?
What occurs overseas is of minor significance to Australian society. Muslims came to Australia to escape what is happening overseas. They came here seeking a peaceful existence. Do you think they have found it? Think about it. Do they deserve the persecution we see endlessly? I don't.
Significant minority in my view is at least 15% of the population.
So, you believe we have 15% of the Australian Muslim population who are Terrorists? Really? So, according to you, we have approximately 90,000 Terrorists in our society? Really? I wonder where they are all hiding.
And on what are you making that claim, Augie? Who has questioned all the Australian Muslim population to discover that 15% figure? Or are just making it up? Mmmm?
Quote:A poll conducted in the UK showed that 60% of British Muslims believed that homosexuals should be jailed. There are plenty of other polls taken in Muslim-majority countries which support that the majority of those polled had pernicious beliefs about women and gays. So, we're being conservative here when we say 20%. Sam Harris believes that 1 in 5 Muslims hold pernicious beliefs about women and gays; BUT THEY DO NOT SUPPORT TERRORISM.
As to the question as to whether they deserve persecution in Australia? The stupidity of the question does not deserve an answer.
So, they are exercising their democratic rights to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly and are expressing ideas you find distasteful?
Yet you don't believe they should be persecuted. So, then, why are you engaging in low-level persecution of Muslims, Augie? Why, indeed?