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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #510 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:24pm

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:37pm:

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Auggie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 9:32pm:

We're not persecuting anybody, nor do we want to. Everyone should be accorded the same respect and legal rights.

Persecution doesn't just have to be about shipping people off to concentration camps, Augie, persecution can be about the continual questioning of a religion and more importantly, it's worshippers. Do you question Christianity as much or as often? How about Judaism? Buddhism? Hinduism? And so on and so on. Do you think it's fair that Muslims who have committed no crimes, done nothing illegal are continually being asked what are really stupid questions about their beliefs all the time? Really?

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So, should I accord the same respect to Democracy and as to Fascism?? Because that's what we're talking about here? We're talking about ideology.

No, we discussing a religion. A belief system that does not rely upon facts and evidence but on belief. Islam is not a political ideology. It is a religion. It is no different to Christianity or the other religions in offering instructions on how to live one's life. Roll Eyes

All other religions would be persistently questioned if they formed the basis of violent jihad against the West.

Islam is a religion AND a political ideology since it prescribes not only matters of your inner spiritual life but also how to organise your societies and interpersonal relationships under an Islamic caliphate. THAT is political and therefore subject to political criticism.

Muslims are shouting 'Allahu Akhbar' when they gun down their victims or blow themselves up among shoppers and diners and teenage concert goers. . They are not shouting 'religion is the opiate of the masses', or 'bad spellers of the world, untie!'. They are acting violently from deeply religious motives. And so that religion is subject to persistent and ongoing criticism.

As it must be.

The point is, the Terrorists aren't reading your diatribes and if they did, Soren, they'd just ignore them even more. All you're doing is attacking and alienating the very people you should be making an effort to recruit - the moderates. Your hatred blinds you to this. The Terrorists have won their greatest victory in your mind - they have convinced you that they represent the majority viewpoint of all Muslims when in reality they are a tiny minority. The majority of Muslims hate them because they get killed with gay abandon by the Terrorists who want to terrify them into supporting their viewpoint. That you cannot see that shows just how much of a closed mindset you have. You are the exact mirror-image of the Terrorists that you claim you oppose. The ordinary, everyday, mainstream Muslims are the victims caught between you and the Terrorists. All they want is to be left alone, to get on with their lives. They don't want to take over the West. They like the West. Roll Eyes

It's for the 'moderates' to reign in the 'terrorists', Bwian.
It's for them to sort out Islam, not for me. Because if it was for me I'd bar them from the West.

We know that, Soren. You've made your Islamophobic position many times. As I keep pointing out, you're just persecuting people because they worship a different god to you. You obviously aren't a supporter of the Australian Constitution 'cause it stops the Government from doing what you want it to do, right? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #511 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:43pm

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Auggie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 10:47pm:

Here's a question, Brian, which you haven't answer:

Should Nazism be accorded the same respect as Democracy??

Yes - Nazism was democratic - but the use to which that government put its democratically given powers was obscene.... see the difference...??

Nazism has its virtues..... the only real problem with it was that the Italians and the Germans and the Spaniards had first shot at it.

Well, if you look at the Fascist Manifesto published in the early 20th century, then yes, it was democratic. Let me be more specific and say: "should Nazism as practised by the Nazi Regime be accorded the same respect as liberalism?"

Yes, I agree with that: much like how socialism was corrupted because the Russians had first shot at it. If the Brits had first shot at it, it probably would've to be a 'syndicalist' type of socialism where Trade Unions were directly involved in the political process.

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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #512 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:

All you're doing is attacking and alienating the very people you should be making an effort to recruit - the moderates.

First of all, who are the 'Moderates' in Islam? Those who don't believe in killing innocents?? If so, that's a pretty low bar; the bigotry of low-expectations. Many of these so-called Moderates may shun terrorism and murder but may still hold pernicious beliefs about gays, women and minorities.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:

The Terrorists have won their greatest victory in your mind - they have convinced you that they represent the majority viewpoint of all Muslims when in reality they are a tiny minority.

As I have said before, and a point which you fail to respond to, is that the majority don't matter - they've never mattered. It's always been the organised, militant minority that matters. Of course, they don't represent the majority of the Muslims, but they represent a SIGNIFICANT MINORITY, which is enough to go on a war path.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:

All they want is to be left alone, to get on with their lives. They don't want to take over the West. They like the West.

They may not want to take over the West, but what happens when an organised Muslim organisation starts promoting blasphemy laws or start demanding Sharia law in a Western country? You find, as is happening in Canada and Germany, that these demands are being debated and strongly considered by law makers.

Do you support Sharia law as the supreme law for Australia?

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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #513 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 2:44pm

mozzaok wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:21pm:

A tool and a fool. When lunatic jihadists can rely on imbeciles they would happily murder, to promote their lines of lies for them, it must make allan smile.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ultra-orthodox-attack-woman-at-anti-draft-demo/

If I have lied, prove I have lied about Australian Muslims. If you can't, be man enough to apologise.

Otherwise, piss off. You're boring me, boy. You resort to ad hominem arguments because you can't win. Run along back to the playground to where all your Islamophobic mates are. You claim you dislike all religions but thus far, you've only zeroed in on one - Islam. Funny that, hey? Roll Eyes

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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #514 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 2:59pm

WA population - 2,600,000 or so

Muslims in WA - around 39,500 or so

1.7% of the small population of that isolated anti-Australian region. You could literally walk thousands of miles in WA without stumbling across a Muslim....

I think the WA contingent here could stay out of this discussion.

9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims........

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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #515 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 3:00pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:

All you're doing is attacking and alienating the very people you should be making an effort to recruit - the moderates.

First of all, who are the 'Moderates' in Islam? Those who don't believe in killing innocents?? If so, that's a pretty low bar; the bigotry of low-expectations. Many of these so-called Moderates may shun terrorism and murder but may still hold pernicious beliefs about gays, women and minorities.

The moderates are the majority, Augie. Did you watch "The Mosque Next Door"? Not any extremists there but we have the Islamophobes claiming all Muslims are extremists. Islam is to them, extremist. Do you believe that? I hope not, yet you appear to be acting as if it is what you believe.

Terrorism in Australia has been rather unsuccessful. Sure, we've had a series of minor attacks, with small casualty rates. Why? Because the moderates talk to ASIO, to the Police, they report the extremists. They don't like them any more than the rest of us do. Why? Have you ever asked yourself that? Really?

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:

The Terrorists have won their greatest victory in your mind - they have convinced you that they represent the majority viewpoint of all Muslims when in reality they are a tiny minority.

As I have said before, and a point which you fail to respond to, is that the majority don't matter - they've never mattered. It's always been the organised, militant minority that matters. Of course, they don't represent the majority of the Muslims, but they represent a SIGNIFICANT MINORITY, which is enough to go on a war path.

Define a "SIGNIFICANT MINORITY", Augie? In Australian society? 1%? 2%? 5%? 10%? 25%? 49%? Where is your evidence to support that claim? Mmmm?

What occurs overseas is of minor significance to Australian society. Muslims came to Australia to escape what is happening overseas. They came here seeking a peaceful existence. Do you think they have found it? Think about it. Do they deserve the persecution we see endlessly? I don't.

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:

All they want is to be left alone, to get on with their lives. They don't want to take over the West. They like the West.

They may not want to take over the West, but what happens when an organised Muslim organisation starts promoting blasphemy laws or start demanding Sharia law in a Western country? You find, as is happening in Canada and Germany, that these demands are being debated and strongly considered by law makers.

Do you support Sharia law as the supreme law for Australia?

No I don't. I have said that many times in the past when that stupid question comes up. Just like the one, "Are you are Muslim?" Of course I'm not. I am just an ordinary Australian who believes in a fair go for all. Until someone commits a crime and gets charged for it and put before the Beaks and found guilty, they are innocent, as far as I and the law are concerned.

Muslims like all Australians enjoy an implied Right to Freedom of Speech. The High Court found that in the cases, Coleman v Power and Mulholland v Australian Electoral Commission. They can, like any Australian make any peaceful political or legal comment they like. Some support Sh'ria law, some don't. Most (there are always some malcontents) however understand that until some alternative comes about, they like all Australians are covered by the existing Australian legal system as commanded by the Q'ran.

You also enjoy that right, as I do and every other Australian citizen does, Augie. You want to circumscribe the Muslims' rights, you also have to circumscribe your own. Prepared to do that? I'm not. Roll Eyes

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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #516 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 3:02pm

For the last time nitwit.

I am not an islamaphobe. (Made up word meaning "I can't think of anything else")
Bwouldut a phobia would indicate that I am afraid or have a fear of the CULT.

I do not fear this CULT any more than I do shite, or ants or cockroaches.
It is simply a desease on civilized society, nothing more and nothing less.

I fear no man, woman or animal.
I simply take steps to prevent them harming me or mine.
I also try to educate people of the harm that being near these things can bring and how much better things would be if they were controlled or eradicated.

Wake up bwyannnnnn
muzzos hate everything, including other muzzos.
They kill everything, usually in the most painful way possible.
You would be nothing more than just another sick pleasure to them.

Again
I dare you to go to a muzzo run country and spend some time there.
If you are brave enough to actually leave your fantasy world and computer, you might just see how primitive and brutal this CULT is when it has the opportunity to take over.

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #517 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 3:11pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 2:59pm:

WA population - 2,600,000 or so

Muslims in WA - around 39,500 or so

1.7% of the small population of that isolated anti-Australian region. You could literally walk thousands of miles in WA without stumbling across a Muslim....

I think the WA contingent here could stay out of this discussion.

9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims........

And where did the 9% come from? Where is your proof, Graps? Where are your sources? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #518 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 5:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 10:30pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 9:32pm:

We're not persecuting anybody, nor do we want to. Everyone should be accorded the same respect and legal rights.

Persecution doesn't just have to be about shipping people off to concentration camps, Augie, persecution can be about the continual questioning of a religion and more importantly, it's worshippers. Do you question Christianity as much or as often? How about Judaism? Buddhism? Hinduism? And so on and so on. Do you think it's fair that Muslims who have committed no crimes, done nothing illegal are continually being asked what are really stupid questions about their beliefs all the time? Really?

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So, should I accord the same respect to Democracy and as to Fascism?? Because that's what we're talking about here? We're talking about ideology.

No, we discussing a religion. A belief system that does not rely upon facts and evidence but on belief. Islam is not a political ideology. It is a religion. It is no different to Christianity or the other religions in offering instructions on how to live one's life. Roll Eyes

All other religions would be persistently questioned if they formed the basis of violent jihad against the West.

Islam is a religion AND a political ideology since it prescribes not only matters of your inner spiritual life but also how to organise your societies and interpersonal relationships under an Islamic caliphate. THAT is political and therefore subject to political criticism.

Muslims are shouting 'Allahu Akhbar' when they gun down their victims or blow themselves up among shoppers and diners and teenage concert goers. . They are not shouting 'religion is the opiate of the masses', or 'bad spellers of the world, untie!'. They are acting violently from deeply religious motives. And so that religion is subject to persistent and ongoing criticism.

As it must be.

The point is, the Terrorists aren't reading your diatribes and if they did, Soren, they'd just ignore them even more. All you're doing is attacking and alienating the very people you should be making an effort to recruit - the moderates. Your hatred blinds you to this. The Terrorists have won their greatest victory in your mind - they have convinced you that they represent the majority viewpoint of all Muslims when in reality they are a tiny minority. The majority of Muslims hate them because they get killed with gay abandon by the Terrorists who want to terrify them into supporting their viewpoint. That you cannot see that shows just how much of a closed mindset you have. You are the exact mirror-image of the Terrorists that you claim you oppose. The ordinary, everyday, mainstream Muslims are the victims caught between you and the Terrorists. All they want is to be left alone, to get on with their lives. They don't want to take over the West. They like the West. Roll Eyes

It's for the 'moderates' to reign in the 'terrorists', Bwian.
It's for them to sort out Islam, not for me. Because if it was for me I'd bar them from the West.

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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #519 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 5:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:24pm: