"The Quran is the actual literal Words of God."

No, it's not - it's one man's ideas of what the words of god should be, and those words were calculated to suit him first and foremost ..... God doesn't speak in books - He/She speaks in actions and not words and in the daily wonder of the Universe.  Only a man who hears voices would even suggest that god is talking to him alone as the avenue for giving out wisdom to everyone else....

God doesn't need to speak to men.... all that he has to say is already in the Universe around us.... it is written THERE and not in some lunatic's mumblings .... and all we need to do is see it and not try to interpret it to suit ourselves ......

(hello)......

If you genuinely believe that the Quran alone is somehow the actual literal words of god - there is nothing that can be done to save you, Ross...... and I will not waste argument on you any more other than to correct rampant stupidity.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 10:33pm:



You may say you are bored with Islam etc. Brian, but your actions say the exact opposite.
It would be like me saying stupidity bores me, but I continue to engage with dullards, hoping against hope to penetrate the denseness of holding a preconceive notion on the false belief that it somehow provides you with a form of moral superiority, because you misunderstand all criticism as bigotry.

As to your contention that it is a surprise to you that I do not support christianity, as you assumed.

From an earlier post of mine about 7 pages back on this topic,

If anyone truly respects all religions, they must be pretty schizoid in my opinion. They are not all equal in stupidity and offensiveness, but they are all offensive and stupid.

Now that both answers you on my attitude towards religion, and to why Islam comes in for more criticism than other religions, at this point in time.
If this were 1936, and we were in Nazi Germany, I would be protesting loudly and stridently against the Catholic church and it's obscene clergy. It is however, 2018, and presently Islam is the clear and present danger we are confronting.

Is THAT comprehensible, even to someone with their fingers in their ears shouting la la la la la, it is all racist islamophobia????

mozzaok wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 11:53pm:


I'm a bit of a leftie so yeah, I'm not happy it's become about the people rather than the ideology and it makes it that much harder to make it about the ideology when the right make it all about the people, it gives the apologists, which generally sit on my side of the fence, a moral high horse to lecture from rather than addressing the ideology itself.

edit: I'd add that if the PC lefties don't climb down from their high horses and be reasonable about the discussion, metaphorically cock blocking any discussion on Islam, the right will probably end up getting it's way and I don't see that being a good thing.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 11:08pm:



Who has said I believe that, Graps?   Trying to erect a strawman argument, hey?   As I keep pointing out, I am Agnostic/Atheistic in my views on religion.  However, I respect the idea that some people feel the need to believe in something.  Why persecute them for that?  Mmmm?   Oh, that's right, they're Muslim, right?  Tsk, tsk.   

Oct religions have some positive impact on the world.
Charity, support for those in need, spiritual support for people who also need some form of guidance, true or not.

Many religions have, in the past, been involved in horrendous practices.
Inquisition for one example, black Friday being another.
But these actions were several centuries ago and religions have progressed considerably into more compassionate and truly charitable entities, or more importantly, individuals have.

The CULT has had no such epithany, it has no intention of moving into the 7th century, let alone the w1st century.
It is and always will be a CULT OF DEATH.
Worshiping DEATH,  calling for the DEATH of any who dare to question it or it's twisted practices.

It refuses to allow it's followers to explore other religions on pain of death.
It refuses on pain of death to allow marriage outsiďe it's CULT.

There is nothing positive that this CULT brings anywhere it goes.
It spreads lies, disharmony, murder, crime and is the worst example of hipocracy  that there is.
It screams that it is persecuted and calls for freedom of expression.
And at the same time it demands that we all abide by it's primitive constraints.
It screams that it is unfairly criticized, and then criticizes every other true religion.
It refuses to accept our laws, stating that sharia law is the only law, and demands beheading of all who dare to question it.

This is not religion, this is a CULT OF DEATH.

9% of prisoners are muzzo, of course they are.
They live to commit crime, it's how CULTS work.
They see only themselves as right and everyone else as wrong.
Even if 97% say they are wrong.
Wrong to
Rape children in sham paedophile marriages.
Fort the WELFARE system
Refuse to accept the laws of the country who helps them and feeds them.
Destroy female genitalia for some sick purpose known only to them
Beat their wives with the blessing of their leaders
Call for murder, constantly.

CULT OF DEATH, not a religion

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I see Valkie has let loose again with his Islamophobic shrieking again.   See what you lot have created - another lunatic who is ignorant and bases his hatreds on prejudice rather than facts.   Tsk, tsk.   

A tool and a fool. When lunatic jihadists can rely on imbeciles they would happily murder, to promote their lines of lies for them, it must make allan smile.

Here is another pearl of idiocy from the man who argued for days, demanding PROOF POSITIVE, regarding the figure 9%.

The Terrorists have won their greatest victory in your mind - they have convinced you that they represent the majority viewpoint of all Muslims when in reality they are a tiny minority.

When I presented this twit with the actual statistics, actual percentages of what muslims believe and want, he was silent. It does not gel with the bad apple lie, the tiny minority guff.
Find out what these loons teach in their faith based schools, brainwashing the next generation with salafi sanctioned lies and idiocy, before you try to sell THEIR lie, that it is only a few bad apples.

Even our wonderful, liberal, free thinking Gold Logie winner, will not tell you the truth about what he believes in.

When challenged on Q&A to state his position on homosexuality, as a muslim man, he demurred, and came out with the most audacious lie about Islam that can be told.
He stated, "Islam is an ongoing conversation".

NO IT IS NOT.
According to Islam, it is the perfect, and final, unalterable, word of GOD.

That allows for NO conversation, in fact it is just about the most absolute demand for totalitarianism you could imagine.

So FLICK OFF with your tiny minority BS, you may be stupid enough to swallow that garbage, but I hope enough will recognise it's falseness.