Auggie wrote on Jan 13
th, 2018 at 6:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13
th, 2018 at 12:12am:
Mary Magdalene might differ about that, Augie. Mary might also differ about it.
Even if Jesus and Mary were together, he was with one woman - hardly inappropriate and not comparable to Muhammad's sexual appetite.
How do you know, Augie? "Oh, the Bible tells me!" Yeah, guess who cleaned up the Testaments and the accounts of Jesus's life? The Church. Who made his mother semi-divine? The Church. Who created the "Holy Ghost"? The Church. Starting to see a pattern here, yet?
Quote:Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13
th, 2018 at 12:12am:
Mohammed was a man. If Jesus existed, he was also a man. Men are subject to the foibles and the failings of men.
That's what made Jesus special as a human being; he was not subject to such foibles.
Who said that, Augie? Oh, that's right the people in charge of JC's PR - the Church. Funny that, hey?
Quote:Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13
th, 2018 at 12:12am:
When you have proof that Jesus actually existed and that he was actually the "son of God", get back to me. I'm an agnostic/atheist.
I believe that Jesus existed but don't believe he was the Son of God. I'm an Agnostic/Atheist too.
Where is your proof, Augie? Where are the documents that prove he existed? Mmmm?
Quote:Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13
th, 2018 at 12:12am:
You have proof of that, Augie? Real, substantial proof? If so, present it. Lets examine it, shall we? Christianity also, BTW, teaches "Offensive Warfare", you realise? The Church(es) have actively engaged in it.
As I've said before, Muhammad was engaging in pre-emptive warfare. He took offensive action to secure the needs of his community. He 'perceived' certain threats and eliminate them. At the time of his death, he had united the Arabian peninsula. It would be logically to assume that the Muslim community had been secured at that time.
The other issue is that many Muslims don't see the religion in this way; they see as eternal and perfect for all time. So, when it says 'kill them wherever you find them...' people believe it's eternal.
Just as Christians believe The Bible is divinely inspired and eternal, Augie. Lots of similarities, despite all the evidence for both religions the accounts of the Founders were "doctored" to make them seem better than they necessarily were.
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13
th, 2018 at 12:12am:
The thing is, people who criticise religion rare limit their discussion to theology. Invariably they include their views about the believers. "Jews killed Christ, lets kill the Jews!" "Jews eat Christian babies, lets kill the Jews!" If you want to talk about Islam, talk about Islam. However, don't try and claim that the Muslims are "all bastards" when they aren't.
I've never made any such claims about people. I have only ever criticised the religion of Islam and also Islamism. That is not an indictment on Muslims. [/quote]
Let us see.
Tell me, how does this read, Augie? Seems to me to be criticising Muslims. What do you think?
Tell me, do you tell anti-Semitic jokes as well? You know, the ones about sending them off to death camps?