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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #435 - Jan 8^th, 2018 at 9:53pm

Bertie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 9:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2018 at 9:32pm:

Bertie wrote on Jan 7^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

And they do not change or evolve when they migrate to the West.

I must tell my friends from my Army days. I must tell the Muslims I work with. I must tell my neighbours. "Word is, you never change or evolve, when you migrated to the West..." Sorry, Agatha, who claims that? You? Roll Eyes

Were they sharia-observant Muslims before they arrived here and then became apostates? Or were they apostates already when they came to Australia? Did they change on arrival or were they already changed apostates when they decided to leave their Muslim countries?

Ask them.

Why, Agatha?

They described themselves to me as "Muslims". Some were more observant than others. Unlike you, I don't try and classify people... Roll Eyes

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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #436 - Jan 8^th, 2018 at 11:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 4:08pm:

rue Islamophobe it seems. Tsk, tsk, one does not supplant the o

I never said 'supplant' Brian. Read what I said again.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 4:08pm:

Christianity teaches "Just War" is acceptable, Augie. Are you denying what the Church(es) teaches to it's believers? Really?

It has a long, bloody, history of forcing conversions on subject people from the Spanish through Indians. Our own Indigenous peoples were given no choice in the matter. Tsk, tsk.

Just War is not a Christian doctrine: Jesus never prescribed it nor does the NT. Sure, people have used Christianity to justify all sorts of terrible things; but Christianity does not teach these things.

Islam does teach them. This doesn't mean that all Muslims subscribe to them.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 4:08pm:

We only have on version of his life, Augie - that in The Bible. How true do you think it's tales are? Christ more than likely never existed nor did the things claimed for him. You appear to believe in fairy tales. Tsk, tsk.

Most historian agree that Jesus existed. The exact details of his life are not historical.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 4:08pm:

هل حقا؟ مثير للإعجاب. أنا مندهش.

Oooh, very clever. So, very interesting. You're surprised, are you?

Turns out human beings are more complicated than you believe they are.

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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #437 - Jan 8^th, 2018 at 11:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 4:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 12:15am:

Brian seems to be becoming adept at playing the man, something I have seen himself complain about.

That’s called hypocrisy.

No. It is inquiry. Please learn the difference, Augie. Roll Eyes

No, you attempted to used my OCD as a way to draw me into the debate and question my conclusions. I'd have almost called for you to be banned, but I decided to let it go.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 80217 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims Reply #438 - Jan 9^th, 2018 at 1:14am Hang ten a week in each state until they reach the 2.9% of the general population.... then there is no argument....
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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #440 - Jan 9^th, 2018 at 1:37am

Auggie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 11:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 4:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 12:15am:

Brian seems to be becoming adept at playing the man, something I have seen himself complain about.

That’s called hypocrisy.

No. It is inquiry. Please learn the difference, Augie. Roll Eyes

No, you attempted to used my OCD as a way to draw me into the debate and question my conclusions. I'd have almost called for you to be banned, but I decided to let it go.

Yep, even Brian would try and hit below the belt to win a fight it seems. So much for the high ground.

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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #441 - Jan 9^th, 2018 at 7:50am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 9:53pm:

Bertie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 9:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2018 at 9:32pm:

Bertie wrote on Jan 7^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

And they do not change or evolve when they migrate to the West.

I must tell my friends from my Army days. I must tell the Muslims I work with. I must tell my neighbours. "Word is, you never change or evolve, when you migrated to the West..." Sorry, Agatha, who claims that? You? Roll Eyes

Were they sharia-observant Muslims before they arrived here and then became apostates? Or were they apostates already when they came to Australia? Did they change on arrival or were they already changed apostates when they decided to leave their Muslim countries?

Ask them.

Why, Agatha?

They described themselves to me as "Muslims". Some were more observant than others. Unlike you, I don't try and classify people... Roll Eyes

oh no bwian YOU don't TRY... YOU DO... ya hypocrite.

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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #442 - Jan 9^th, 2018 at 6:08pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 11:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 4:08pm:

rue Islamophobe it seems. Tsk, tsk, one does not supplant the o

I never said 'supplant' Brian. Read what I said again.

You claimed that your definition of "Jihad" had replaced the earlier, simpler definition. In my mind that equates with being "supplanted".

Oh, and please, in future, quote the whole paragraph if you're going to do it, not parts of it...

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 4:08pm:

Christianity teaches "Just War" is acceptable, Augie. Are you denying what the Church(es) teaches to it's believers? Really?

It has a long, bloody, history of forcing conversions on subject people from the Spanish through Indians. Our own Indigenous peoples were given no choice in the matter. Tsk, tsk.

Just War is not a Christian doctrine: Jesus never prescribed it nor does the NT. Sure, people have used Christianity to justify all sorts of terrible things; but Christianity does not teach these things.

Islam does teach them. This doesn't mean that all Muslims subscribe to them.

So, you're claiming that the Church(es) don't teach Christian doctrine? Really? You're starting to sound like Moses now. That is something he claims - I would suggest that Christianity has a great deal more to do with what the Church(es) teach than what Christ taught. "Just War" is just one aspect of that...

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 4:08pm:

We only have on version of his life, Augie - that in The Bible. How true do you think it's tales are? Christ more than likely never existed nor did the things claimed for him. You appear to believe in fairy tales. Tsk, tsk.

Most historian agree that Jesus existed. The exact details of his life are not historical.

And their evidence for that is, what exactly, Augie?

I would suggest that we have one or two mentions of a Jesus like figure amongst many claims about "Messiahhood" at that time. The Historical Record has no mention of any one named "Jesus" who created miracles. Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 8^th, 2018 at 4:08pm:

هل حقا؟ مثير للإعجاب. أنا مندهش.

Oooh, very clever. So, very interesting. You're surprised, are you?

Turns out human beings are more complicated than you believe they are.

Humans are always more complicated than they appear, at first, Augie. I am continually surprised by them. You in particular. You say one thing then claim another. Always interesting. Roll Eyes

اليوم، تحتفل غوغل ولادة عالم الكيمياء الحيوية الهندي. اليوم، يبدو أنك تشير إلى بعض الأشياء الإسلاموفوبيك جدا. غدا، من يدري؟

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #443 - Jan 9^th, 2018 at 8:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 6:08pm:

You claimed that your definition of "Jihad" had replaced the earlier, simpler definition. In my mind that equates with being "supplanted".

Oh, and please, in future, quote the whole paragraph if you're going to do it, not parts of it...

No, I said that the concept of Jihad differs according to situation.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 6:08pm:

o, you're claiming that the Church(es) don't teach Christian doctrine? Really? You're starting to sound like Moses now. That is something he claims - I would suggest that Christianity has a great deal more to do with what the Church(es) teach than what Christ taught. "Just War" is just one aspect of that...

So, this is the conclusion I've reached about Offensive Jihad with Gandalf. Muhammad practised preemptive warfare. I'm willing to accept that; there's not enough evidence in my mind for complete offensive jihad; but neither is it: "right lads, let's dig trenches and wait for the enemy".

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 6:08pm:

And their evidence for that is, what exactly, Augie?

I would suggest that we have one or two mentions of a Jesus like figur

You can read numerous books on it.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 6:08pm:

Humans are always more complicated than they appear, at first, Augie. I am continually surprised by them. You in particular. You say one thing then claim another. Always interesting.

What kind of things do I say, then claim as another? E.g.?

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 6:08pm:

اليوم، تحتفل غوغل ولادة عالم الكيمياء الحيوية الهندي. اليوم، يبدو أنك تشير إلى بعض الأشياء الإسلاموفوبيك جدا. غدا، من يدري؟

Is it Islamophobic to criticise an ideology? If I criticise Australia, does that make me anti-Australian, or Australiophobic? People use the term Islamophobia to shut down debate. Seems like something you're doing, and often do.

By the way, are you fluent in Arabic or are you just using Google Translate?

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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #444 - Jan 10^th, 2018 at 12:50am

Mention the word MUSLIM... again... MUSLIM (allahu akbar)... and ASIO and The Feds slow the damned strand down until they can read every word....

I can call up a friend and say "I dig Uncle Khomeini and Mullah Akerdyari and some of their friends are coming over for dinner" ..... and dozens of agents all across the country will pursue me to the grave....

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Re: 9% Of All Australian Prisoners Are Muslims
Reply #446 - Jan 10^th, 2018 at 12:56am

Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 8:33pm: