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Reply #15 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 10:17am
 
Gee who'd have thought that Muslims would be forcibly converting people to their religion.  In this day and age. 
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Reply #16 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 10:31am
 
A number of years ago it was reported that 8 people of African 'appearance'  were found homes in Tamworth NSW. Of the 8 who moved into Tamworth 6 were quickly in trouble with the law. Screams of racism attached to any reporting of the problem and such honest reporting soon enough went silent.
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The ALP, the progressive party, the party of ideas, the workers' friend, is the only Australian political party to roast four young Australians in roof cavities. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!
 
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Reply #17 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 10:35am
 
Of course this importation of crime has been going on for years and been continually denied by LW progs and the PC Brigade.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/migrant-groups-going-gang-busters/...

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LAST week in the Melbourne Magistrates Court, a man alleged to be the "Mr Big" behind a large ecstasy haul was committed to face trial in a case that provides a fascinating insight into the changing face of organised crime in Australia.

Magistrate Simon Garnett ruled there was sufficient evidence for a jury to convict Griffith businessman Pasquale Barbaro on six charges, over the seizure of 15 million tablets of ecstasy, weighing 4.4 tonnes and with a street value of more than $440 million, found in tins of tomatoes imported from Italy in 2007. Barbaro is defending the charges.

Apart from the quantity of drugs - which allegedly also included 150kg of cocaine in a later shipment - the most intriguing feature of the case is the list of co-conspirators facing trial. They include people from a range of ethnic backgrounds.

Veteran investigators have observed a significant shift; the boundaries between formerly rival crime groups have dissolved, replaced by a new web of constantly changing alliances. Where once ethnically based crime groups - be they Italian, Vietnamese, Middle Eastern or predominantly Anglo-Saxon bikie gangs - operated independently, today they work hand in hand.

"Organised crime has certainly evolved beyond ethnicity. It's a much more complex problem [now] than an ethnically based one," former assistant commissioner and head of NSW Police crime squads Clive Small says.

Old cultural loyalties no longer apply. "It's strictly business," says Detective Superintendent Deb Wallace, who heads the Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad in the NSW Police.

The shift challenges the traditional methods of defining and investigating organised crime. Small poses this hypothetical: "We have a Vietnamese importer selling to bikies who are made up of Middle Eastern crime figures, Caucasians, Calabrians, and they're dealing with firearms, drugs and murder. What squad investigates that?"

Since the 1970s and 80s, ethnic crime waves have come and gone.

In the 70s Italian organised crime erupted in the public spotlight with the murder of anti-drugs campaigner Donald Mackay in Griffith, NSW, and the Woodward royal commission. In the 80s Vietnamese gangs terrorised their own community for a decade before their members were killed, arrested, grew up or moved on to more sophisticated types of crime.

These days the focus of attention is Middle Eastern crime, principally in southwestern Sydney.


In each case, police say it is not the groups' ethnicity but their propensity for violence that has put them on the radar.

"We don't target the Middle Eastern community, we target criminals in that community, especially if they are using violence," Wallace says. "There are many other groups who are more sophisticated and established, like the triads, who are not committing violence. It's the same all over the world - Israeli crime, Russian crime - there are all sorts of groups that don't come to notice and that's because they're not on the streets shooting each other."

The Middle Eastern crime wave broke on the streets of Sydney in the 90s as rival Lebanese gangs involved in drug dealing, extortion, car theft and re-birthing grew out of control.

Like the Asian gangs of the 80s, Lebanese crime "reflected migration trends" of the day, Wallace says. "The Middle Eastern community is exactly like the Asian community. The majority are fantastic, hardworking, passionate. It's the few criminals within that group [that put] the focus on the whole community."

Also like the Vietnamese gangs, Lebanese crime sprang up among a community of mostly refugees from a war-ravaged society whose citizens had lost faith in police, government and the law.

The Lebanese refugees who fled to Australia were mostly peasants and labourers, with poor education and little or no English. They retained strong ties to their homeland, where many had family, owned property and could still vote, leaving them less inclined to consider Australia home.

Michael Humphrey from the department of sociology at the University of Sydney says the issues in the community were exacerbated by a "culture of masculinity". "Middle Eastern cultures are very patriarchal and masculine, [based on] the idea of being strong men. There is a theory that men become weak in migration, diminished, with less power and less control over their women. This leads to a loss of masculinity, authority and control." As a result, "violence can be an act of self liberation, the remaking of the self".

In 2003 police set up Task Force Gain to investigate Middle Eastern gang crime. In a year it made 1069 arrests, laid 2384 charges and seized drugs worth $3.5m. The taskforce was taken over by MEOCS in 2006.


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Reply #18 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 10:37am
 
pt 2.

Public disquiet over Middle Eastern crime was exacerbated by the climate of fear following the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, and the uproar in 2001-02 over the highly publicised gang rapes in Sydney by two Lebanese brothers.

Amid the furore, in 2002 the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research (BOCSAR) began compiling information on the ethnicity of accused criminals, to try to prove or disprove the public perception that Lebanese Australians were disproportionately involved in crime.

BOCSAR director Don Weatherburn says it proved impossible to compile comprehensive figures because the arresting police often didn't ask the question and many detainees refused to answer it.

"The best we ever got was about 80 per cent. We took the view that with 20 to 30 per cent missing, there was no basis for comparing [crime] rates across different groups." The experiment was abandoned after a year.

However, data collected by the Australian Bureau of Statistics shows that Lebanese make up the fifth largest ethnic group in Australian prisons after Australians, New Zealanders, Vietnamese and British and Irish, with 226 Lebanese prisoners last year accounting for 0.75 per cent of all detainees held for serious crimes.

Per head of population, Lebanese-born people had the seventh highest rate of imprisonment (after Samoans, Tongans, Sudanese, Vietnamese, Romanians and Indonesians).

However, the practice of targeting criminals by ethnicity remains contentious and is rejected by other police forces.

In 2008, there was a series of shootings, bashings, abductions and extortions in the Lebanese community in Melbourne. The following year, a member of a well-known Lebanese crime family was killed in a drive-by shooting in the city's western suburbs. Despite this, Victoria Police have maintained a policy that opposes "ethnic branding" of crime. "We don't have a Lebanese problem," crime department Superintendent Gerard Ryan told AAP. "We are a cosmopolitan community in Melbourne where most people get on extremely well."

The Victoria Police Association claims the force is in denial about ethnically based crime and is pushing for the return of ethnic units such as the state's Asian crime squad, which was disbanded in 2006
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"It's quite clear Victoria sees itself as the Australian heartland of multiculturalism and [targeting ethnic groups] is seen as politically incorrect, which is pretty pathetic when you're fighting crime," association secretary Greg Davies says. "These ethnically based crime squads, like the Asian squad in the past, had extraordinarily good results in cleaning up organised crime. It's created a vacuum of intelligence on particular groups. It's not easy to infiltrate any organised crime group, and once it's done it's a vitally important crime fighting tool to maintain."

However, the fast evolving nature of organised criminality challenges the argument for ethnically based squads.

The head of the NSW Police Asian Crime Squad, Detective Superintendent Scott Cook, says there is no doubt the old boundaries between ethnic crime groups are crumbling, especially in the drug trade. "That's the biggest change in organised crime. Traditionally they stayed with their own cultural groups; now they're dealing with bikies, Middle Easterners, Caucasians, whoever wants to buy the drugs."

Says Small: "If you have squads of this type you have to constantly review the need for their existence. As we've seen with the Vietnamese street gangs, they were at their zenith in the 1990s and a decade later we hardly hear anything of them."

Wallace hopes Lebanese crime will go the same way. "History repeats itself. Maybe in 10 years we won't have a Middle Eastern crime squad because the community will have resolved its issues and determined that this behaviour is not acceptable."

But if there's one thing police have learned from experience, it's that as one ethnic group moves off their radar, another will take its place, as new manifestations of the same problem emerge
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The latest migrant community to be troubled by crime and violence is the Sudanese, who have arrived in Australia in their thousands in recent years. The pattern is much the same: refugees from a war-torn country, brutalised and destitute, transplanted in a foreign land where they struggle to grasp the language, culture, social mores and laws. The issue emerged in 2007 when immigration minister Kevin Andrews announced he was cutting the intake of refugees from northeast Africa because of "undesirable behaviour". This followed the bashing death of a Sudanese teenager in suburban Noble Park in Melbourne and reports of gangs forming, public drunkenness and violence.

Victoria's then police commissioner Christine Nixon denied there was a problem, although Vicpol's statistics suggested young Sudanese were being arrested at roughly four times the average rate.
The ABS report Prisoners in Australia shows that last year Sudanese had the third highest imprisonment rate (after Samoans and Tongans) of any nationality.


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Reply #19 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 10:50am
 
pt3.

Similar concerns were voiced in South Australia in 2008, when deputy police commissioner Gary Burns said his force faced "an emerging, probably contemporary, policing issue",
with 450 offences having been committed by 93 members of a Sudanese community numbering 1500 in the space of 16 months
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Criminologists say that, like previous ethnic crime spikes, this one reflects a systemic lack of social, economic and logistical support for vulnerable new arrivals.

"If we're going to take migrants from diverse backgrounds we have a moral obligation to support them as much as possible," says Paul Wilson, head of criminology at Bond University.

Amid the claims and counter-claims about crime and multiculturalism, police report a success story at Blacktown in western Sydney, an ethnically diverse community with 180 nationalities, including about 2000 Sudanese.

Superintendent Mark Wright, the local area commander, says there is no crime problem among the local Sudanese. Reports of gangs forming turned out to be simply groups of young men hanging out in public, conspicuous because they are tall, black, physically imposing and often loud.

Wright says Blacktown has avoided the problems experienced elsewhere by forging strong relationships with community leaders, and working with local business and charities to deliver employment opportunities, training, sports and social programs for the new arrivals.

"My focus has always been on helping them integrate," Wright says. "Our focus is to not isolate them through the programs we deliver because I think it sends the wrong message. They hear from us regularly that it's not a racial problem, it's not cultural, it's about youth issues and integrating into the community."

The keys, he says, are mutual respect and joint responsibility. "You've got to be open with people and say:
'You're welcome here, but you've got to make an effort to fit in as well.'
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So far, it seems to be working.
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Reply #20 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 10:50am
 
Integration and Assimimilation works then whereas multiculti doesn't.
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Reply #21 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 12:15pm
 
Its time wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 6:40am:
Went 4wd yesterday , good fun

By yourself?

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Reply #22 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 12:18pm
 
Valkie wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 8:35am:
Have you noted the deliberate absence of a certain avid poster in this factual statement on the stupidity of our grubberment?

The tsk tsk, and ad hominem statement
The screaming of islamaphobes
The desperate cry of racist

These are the tools of a tool who is either so divorced from reality (living in his made up world" or evidence that he is a plant for those who have vowed to destroy civilization and all the good in it.

No
I am not naive enough to think or believe that Australia was or ever would be perfect, after all, just look at what passes for our politicians.
How can any country excell with this crop of openly corrupt imbeciles.

But without importing this human feaces from third world countries that are beyond saving is antithetical to common sense.

We must stop it NOW
We must rid ourselves of this self destruction through complying with a UNITED NATIONS shoes members are predominantly Islamic bias and third world focused.

If they continue, first world countries will not be able to support charity to these third world cesspits .

OR is that perhaps the agenda.
Stop the aid and watch these third world cesspits  self destruct.

Then perhaps we could weed out the diseased PARASITES and the world will be a much better place.

Brian’s on the backfoot ever since I told him he doesnt know what a strawman is!

He’s licking his wounds,...


TRUST ME!

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Reply #23 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 1:39pm
 
Extra coloured barriers and bollards are now in place for new years festivities, along with the cops and their brand new shiny machineguns the fireworks should all go according to plan.
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Reply #24 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 3:16pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 1:39pm:
Extra coloured barriers and bollards are now in place for new years festivities, along with the cops and their brand new shiny machineguns the fireworks should all go according to plan.

So?
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Reply #25 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 4:05pm
 
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The speech that followed, however, may have surprised supporters of her policies:
"Multiculturalism leads to parallel societies and therefore remains a ‘life lie,’
” or a sham, she said, before adding that Germany may be reaching its limits in terms of accepting more refugees. "The challenge is immense," she said. "We want and we will reduce the number of refugees noticeably."


Although those remarks may seem uncharacteristic of Merkel, she probably would insist that she was not contradicting herself. In fact, she was only repeating a sentiment she first voiced several years ago when she said multiculturalism in Germany had "utterly failed."

"Of course the tendency had been to say, 'Let's adopt the multicultural concept and live happily side by side, and be happy to be living with each other.' But this concept has failed, and failed utterly," she said in 2010.


Quote:
Multiculturalism usually has a positive connotation, but to Merkel it symbolizes the emergence of isolated societies within Germany — and ultimately a failure of assimilating immigrants. Her policy toward the issue is supposed to avoid the creation of suburbs such as the areas around Paris, for instance, where young immigrants are isolated from the rest of society.


People like bwian are in denial about what is happening here saying we are different to Britain and Europe and America etc...  but that self-delusion is based on lies.  It's been happening here for decades and has escalated since the adoption of multiculti and higher immigration numbers.

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Reply #26 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 4:35pm
 
Now now, Grendel, some of your best friends are Towel-Heads, Boongs and hommers.

You want them here.
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Reply #27 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 4:40pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
Now now, Grendel, some of your best friends are Towel-Heads, Boongs and hommers.

You want them here.

Don’t go giving us your boring sex life!

poo happens and then femo Nazis cry forever: yeh, we all fn know the drill mate!

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Reply #28 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 4:45pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 4:40pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
Now now, Grendel, some of your best friends are Towel-Heads, Boongs and hommers.

You want them here.

Don’t go giving us your boring sex life!

poo happens and then femo Nazis cry forever: yeh, we all fn know the drill mate!

Cheesy


Actually, Death, you got that bit mixed up. Forever happens and we drill poo.

Miam miam, innit.
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Reply #29 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 4:49pm
 
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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