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Reply #45 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:14pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:12pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 24th, 2017 at 2:15pm:
I am bored with it.  It is just another aspect of the general racism and bigotry that our society has always suffered from.  If you're different, if you worship a different God, if you dress differently, if you have different coloured skin, don't come to Australia, I'd advise.  You will have a constant fight against racism/bigotry simply because you're different. 


No no, Brian, these people are racist to us. Fancy getting about with those ridiculous beards and pyjamas. They're trying to poke fun at us, so unfair.

Well, we're not going to take it.

Why should only Western countries accept every dregs of the world with no filter, no questions? Why is it that only Western countries are 'bigoted and racist if they do not want demographic transformation, cultural transformation? Why must they accommodate every third world blow in who carries on like the Western locals owe him respect, welfare, cultural accommodation.

Please explain.



Karnal is a globalist: no explanations from the top brass are necessary!


A globalist? No, dear. Karnal is a man of the world.

Or a woman. Or a devious Pakistani Bastard.

Who cares?
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Reply #46 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:39pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:12pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 24th, 2017 at 2:15pm:
I am bored with it.  It is just another aspect of the general racism and bigotry that our society has always suffered from.  If you're different, if you worship a different God, if you dress differently, if you have different coloured skin, don't come to Australia, I'd advise.  You will have a constant fight against racism/bigotry simply because you're different. 


No no, Brian, these people are racist to us. Fancy getting about with those ridiculous beards and pyjamas. They're trying to poke fun at us, so unfair.

Well, we're not going to take it.

Why should only Western countries accept every dregs of the world with no filter, no questions? Why is it that only Western countries are 'bigoted and racist if they do not want demographic transformation, cultural transformation? Why must they accommodate every third world blow in who carries on like the Western locals owe him respect, welfare, cultural accommodation.

Please explain.



Karnal is a globalist: no explanations from the top brass are necessary!


A globalist? No, dear. Karnal is a man of the world.

Or a woman. Or a devious Pakistani Bastard.

Who cares?


Chap by the name of Death.

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
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Re: West needs a new response to terror
Reply #47 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 8:01pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:09pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 24th, 2017 at 2:15pm:
I am bored with it.  It is just another aspect of the general racism and bigotry that our society has always suffered from.  If you're different, if you worship a different God, if you dress differently, if you have different coloured skin, don't come to Australia, I'd advise.  You will have a constant fight against racism/bigotry simply because you're different. 


No no, Brian, these people are racist to us. Fancy getting about with those ridiculous beards and pyjamas. They're trying to poke fun at us, so unfair.

Well, we're not going to take it.

Why should only Western countries accept every dregs of the world with no filter, no questions? Why is it that only Western countries are 'bigoted and racist if they do not want demographic transformation, cultural transformation? Why must they accommodate every third world blow in who carries on like the Western locals owe him respect, welfare, cultural accommodation.

Please explain.




Why should only Western countries ban beards and pyjamas? But, old boy, the tinted races should ban them too!

We owe you our respect, welfare and cultural accommodation, dear boy. But most of all, we owe you our gratitude. After all, you bring your discernment. You pay tax.

And you're not tinted.



Was that the question, moronic dickheaddle?  No.

The yellow, brown and black races are keeping foreigners out. Why must white European-derived countries let in all the dregs of the world?

Zimbabwean, South African black thugs are murdering whites to 'protect their cultures'. Burmese murder Bangladeshis, Africans murder everyone, Chinese bollock the Muslims, Indonesians, Syrians, Iraqis etc  persecute Christians.  Why do we have to let in all those monsters? We don't need them, they have nothing but strife and division and gangsterism to offer.

Keep the Third World out of the West. It will end badly, one way or another - the dogshit will overwhelm the vanilla or there will be a revolt and blood.

It's stupid to let them flood in.



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Re: West needs a new response to terror
Reply #48 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:04pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 8:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:09pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 24th, 2017 at 2:15pm:
I am bored with it.  It is just another aspect of the general racism and bigotry that our society has always suffered from.  If you're different, if you worship a different God, if you dress differently, if you have different coloured skin, don't come to Australia, I'd advise.  You will have a constant fight against racism/bigotry simply because you're different. 


No no, Brian, these people are racist to us. Fancy getting about with those ridiculous beards and pyjamas. They're trying to poke fun at us, so unfair.

Well, we're not going to take it.

Why should only Western countries accept every dregs of the world with no filter, no questions? Why is it that only Western countries are 'bigoted and racist if they do not want demographic transformation, cultural transformation? Why must they accommodate every third world blow in who carries on like the Western locals owe him respect, welfare, cultural accommodation.

Please explain.




Why should only Western countries ban beards and pyjamas? But, old boy, the tinted races should ban them too!

We owe you our respect, welfare and cultural accommodation, dear boy. But most of all, we owe you our gratitude. After all, you bring your discernment. You pay tax.

And you're not tinted.



Was that the question, moronic dickheaddle?  No.

The yellow, brown and black races are keeping foreigners out. Why must white European-derived countries let in all the dregs of the world?

Zimbabwean, South African black thugs are murdering whites to 'protect their cultures'. Burmese murder Bangladeshis, Africans murder everyone, Chinese bollock the Muslims, Indonesians, Syrians, Iraqis etc  persecute Christians.  Why do we have to let in all those monsters? We don't need them, they have nothing but strife and division and gangsterism to offer.

Keep the Third World out of the West. It will end badly, one way or another - the dogshit will overwhelm the vanilla or there will be a revolt and blood.

It's stupid to let them flood in.





That's what we love about you, old boy. No one has the right to not be offended - except you.
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Re: West needs a new response to terror
Reply #49 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:25pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:04pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 8:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:09pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 24th, 2017 at 2:15pm:
I am bored with it.  It is just another aspect of the general racism and bigotry that our society has always suffered from.  If you're different, if you worship a different God, if you dress differently, if you have different coloured skin, don't come to Australia, I'd advise.  You will have a constant fight against racism/bigotry simply because you're different. 


No no, Brian, these people are racist to us. Fancy getting about with those ridiculous beards and pyjamas. They're trying to poke fun at us, so unfair.

Well, we're not going to take it.

Why should only Western countries accept every dregs of the world with no filter, no questions? Why is it that only Western countries are 'bigoted and racist if they do not want demographic transformation, cultural transformation? Why must they accommodate every third world blow in who carries on like the Western locals owe him respect, welfare, cultural accommodation.

Please explain.




Why should only Western countries ban beards and pyjamas? But, old boy, the tinted races should ban them too!

We owe you our respect, welfare and cultural accommodation, dear boy. But most of all, we owe you our gratitude. After all, you bring your discernment. You pay tax.

And you're not tinted.



Was that the question, moronic dickheaddle?  No.

The yellow, brown and black races are keeping foreigners out. Why must white European-derived countries let in all the dregs of the world?

Zimbabwean, South African black thugs are murdering whites to 'protect their cultures'. Burmese murder Bangladeshis, Africans murder everyone, Chinese bollock the Muslims, Indonesians, Syrians, Iraqis etc  persecute Christians.  Why do we have to let in all those monsters? We don't need them, they have nothing but strife and division and gangsterism to offer.

Keep the Third World out of the West. It will end badly, one way or another - the dogshit will overwhelm the vanilla or there will be a revolt and blood.

It's stupid to let them flood in.





That's what we love about you, old boy. No one has the right to not be offended - except you.

That's  all you ever have, arse-crawler.

Not enough. Eating shite may satisfy you but it is not a counter-argument to third world immigration. It's  not a counter -argument to anything even thought it is your response to everything.

A shiteater like you will turn everything to shite just to miam-miam on it.  Feast on, and here's  10 rupee, boy. All you can eat.




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Re: West needs a new response to terror
Reply #50 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:35pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:39pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:12pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 24th, 2017 at 2:15pm:
I am bored with it.  It is just another aspect of the general racism and bigotry that our society has always suffered from.  If you're different, if you worship a different God, if you dress differently, if you have different coloured skin, don't come to Australia, I'd advise.  You will have a constant fight against racism/bigotry simply because you're different. 



No no, Brian, these people are racist to us. Fancy getting about with those ridiculous beards and pyjamas. They're trying to poke fun at us, so unfair.

Well, we're not going to take it.

Why should only Western countries accept every dregs of the world with no filter, no questions? Why is it that only Western countries are 'bigoted and racist if they do not want demographic transformation, cultural transformation? Why must they accommodate every third world blow in who carries on like the Western locals owe him respect, welfare, cultural accommodation.

Please explain.



Karnal is a globalist: no explanations from the top brass are necessary!


A globalist? No, dear. Karnal is a man of the world.

Or a woman. Or a devious Pakistani Bastard.

Who cares?


Chap by the name of Death.

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
Karnal is a globalist

Question: Why do insane femos like you believe in walking around like sluts late at night ?

Answer: equality   Cheesy

You’re just a full of it c u n tt  Wink Wink Wink Wink





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Re: West needs a new response to terror
Reply #51 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 11:07pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:39pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:12pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 24th, 2017 at 2:15pm:
I am bored with it.  It is just another aspect of the general racism and bigotry that our society has always suffered from.  If you're different, if you worship a different God, if you dress differently, if you have different coloured skin, don't come to Australia, I'd advise.  You will have a constant fight against racism/bigotry simply because you're different. 



No no, Brian, these people are racist to us. Fancy getting about with those ridiculous beards and pyjamas. They're trying to poke fun at us, so unfair.

Well, we're not going to take it.

Why should only Western countries accept every dregs of the world with no filter, no questions? Why is it that only Western countries are 'bigoted and racist if they do not want demographic transformation, cultural transformation? Why must they accommodate every third world blow in who carries on like the Western locals owe him respect, welfare, cultural accommodation.

Please explain.



Karnal is a globalist: no explanations from the top brass are necessary!


A globalist? No, dear. Karnal is a man of the world.

Or a woman. Or a devious Pakistani Bastard.

Who cares?


Chap by the name of Death.

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
Karnal is a globalist

Question: Why do insane femos like you believe in walking around like sluts late at night ?

Answer: equality   Cheesy

You’re just a full of it c u n tt  Wink Wink Wink Wink



Oh, I know. And the stools are to die for.

Thanks, old boy, you've done it again. Please feed Death. He's hungry.

Anyone for c u n tt?
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Re: West needs a new response to terror
Reply #52 - Dec 30th, 2017 at 1:21pm
 
The Islamist extremists are winning. Victory is unlikely and, in any event, a long way off but their immediate aims are being ach­ieved, if not in the battlefields of Iraq and Syria, then at least in the democracies of Europe and the Western world.

The signs are ominous in Australia, where 15 years after the Bali bombings this is the enemy whose name we are too often too timid to mention. The extremists have us second-guessing the cultural superiority of our Western liberal democratic model and have conjured a collective and misplaced guilt among us about the treatment of Muslims.

From the fundamentalist preachers to the bloodthirsty terrorists, the ultimate goal of Islamist extremists is simple: global Islamic dominance. To achieve it they need to weaken and harm the West, fuel Muslim grievances and assert their cultural power through demographic changes and political influence.

They loathe our tolerance, freedom of expression and plurality, yet skilfully use these Western strengths against us as they subvert our ways by convincing many of us that we are to blame for their atrocities. We can see the Islamist success in shaping this narrative all around us.

The Palestinian cause is used as a constant irritant. Just this month, popular singer Lorde was bullied into cancelling a concert in Israel while no one seems to care that she will sing in Vladimir Putin’s Russia. Likewise, we saw the UN General Assembly vote by an overwhelming majority to condemn the US for recognising the obvious reality that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. And after I argued last week that Melbourne’s Flinders Street horror was an Islamist terror attack — because that was the motivation cited by the Afghan-Australian attacker — Anglican priest Rod Bower described my comments as “poison” that could “drive fragile psyches over the edge”. See what he did there — it is always our fault.

The success of Islamist propaganda can be seen in the fact after a Muslim man allegedly mowed down 19 people on a Melbourne city street and referred to “mistreatment of Muslims” to explain his actions Victorian police denied there was any evidence of a connection to terrorism. Given this is the season for resolutions, is it too much to ask that we start being forthright about the grave threat of Islamist extremism?

The paradoxes generated by the politically correct virtue-signallers who have taken over our politics, bureaucracies and, it seems, even the upper echelons of our law enforcement agencies are deeply worrying. After the Martin Place siege in Sydney and the Flinders Street attack, police and media downplayed terrorism but talked up mental health issues.

Even ASIO once denied links between terrorism and refugees despite the truth that each contemporary, fatal, Islamist terrorist incident in this country has involved refugees. Unpalatable as they are, we must start with the facts. We are told not to stigmatise mental health issues yet we see it used as an explanation for mass casualty attacks. As bollards go up in our cities are we to believe this is to protect us from the mentally ill or the drug-addicted? Why has this suddenly become a problem?

Law enforcement and intelligence agencies need to maintain strong links with Muslim communities to foster co-operation. They also want to maintain social cohesion and avoid the divisions between Muslim and non-Muslim people that the extremists seek to accentuate. And we should take care not to overstate the extent of the problem. We are talking about individuals of concern in this country who number only in the hundreds and a pool of people susceptible to radicalisation that may number in the thousands. Still, the dangers are obvious.

Yet obfuscation in public information about terror attacks and police actions can only undermine confidence in law enforcement and create concern about government responses to the extremist threat, therefore creating the conditions for the mistrust the authorities want to avoid.

Besides, i
t is insulting to Muslim and non-Muslim Australians to deny the realities they can observe. It suggests people cannot deal with facts as they fall. We are intelligent enough to understand the threat of Islamist terrorism and sensible enough not to blame all Muslims for any attacks. Time and again we see that despite self-conscious warnings so-called Islamophobic backlashes never materialise.

Politicians and police are servants of the public and should have a clear bias towards sharing information in a forthright fashion rather than keeping secrets, unless confidentiality is important for operational reasons. Initially ruling out terrorism should not be difficult; if the offender is a non-Muslim and not espousing any religious or political cause then police may be able to announce early on that they do not suspect terrorism.

But if the attack is perpetrated by a Muslim immigrant who specifically cites Muslim griev­ances, the public ought to be told immediately that there are indications of a terrorist motive. Additional qualifiers about other factors and ongoing investigations would be understood but the public deserves to hear as many of the relevant facts as possible. Melbourne’s new loudspeakers will be a waste of time unless someone is prepared to speak into them.
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Reply #53 - Dec 30th, 2017 at 1:22pm
 
At Martin Place, NSW police delayed action and hoped to wear down Man Haron Monis as they would in a domestic siege situation, rather than treating it as an Islamist terror attack where loss of life was inevitable. Yet while this was unfolding they launched an operation to protect Muslims in public places from a Martin Place-inspired backlash. (Of course the backlash never came; even the “I’ll ride with you” hashtag campaign was based on a fabricated episode.)

When Curtis Cheng was assassinated in an Islamist killing at Parramatta the police hierarchy told the public hours later that there was nothing to suggest terrorism. Yet we soon learned the attacker, dressed in black garb, had yelled “Allahu akbar” at the scene before he was shot dead.

There is a disturbing pattern here of police and politicians bending over backwards to discount terrorism even when there are obvious indications Islamist extremism is the motivation.

Experts have long pointed to the overlap between disaffected, mentally disturbed and even drug-addicted people and the Islamist cause. It is a dangerous cocktail that can self-generate lone-wolf terrorists or be exploited by extremist manipulators.

In the wake of Martin Place, Clive Kessler, emeritus professor at the University of NSW’s school of social sci­ences, wrote how the interception of any future “psychotic loner” attacks could be a matter for mental health and security agencies. “But most such incidents are the work of psychotic, sociopathic, disturbed or even ostensibly normal individuals who fall in with, and whose ideas and perverse impulses mesh them into, small like-minded groups, sometimes even broad social movements,” he said.

Kessler wrote of the importance of serious debate within and about our Muslim communities covering the triumphalist and resentful elements of the faith that are shared by the mainstream but taken to violent ends by the extremists. This is the core of the debate. Unless we intelligently confront reforms needed to undermine the Islamist extremist ideology, all the bollards in the world cannot save us.

Psychiatrist and author Tanveer Ahmed, who comes from a Bangladeshi Muslim background, also has written about the overlap between disaffected individuals — particularly refugees — and Islamist extremism. He points out that attacks do not need to be well organised or sanctioned by groups such as Islamic State or al-Qa’ida to be categorised as terrorism. It is about motivation.

Ahmed has written about how paranoid individuals may project their personal resentments through Islamist ideology. Those who are mentally ill or have criminal backgrounds have a higher risk of adopting extremist and violent practices. “None of these factors make the contribution of Islam and particular interpretations that encourage attacks upon non-Muslims irrelevant,” he explains.

Yet it is the essence of the motivation — the Islamist ideology — that politicians and authorities seem most keen to avoid. They prefer to talk about hardware and firepower — and mental health.

Will the loudspeakers installed in Melbourne’s CBD warn of mental health outbreaks? Are the military weapons of the NSW police to be trained on people who are disturbed and ill?

Or do we need to accept that the Islamist aim of disrupting our society by targeting infidels and innocents cannot be truly defeated until the ideology itself is exposed, confronted and eradicated?


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Reply #54 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 2:02pm
 
In all seriousness, I'm not really sure what Brendan ONeill's point is - other than we should get more mad.

He certainly doesn't offer anything in the way of an actual solution.
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Reply #55 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 2:09pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 2nd, 2018 at 2:02pm:
In all seriousness, I'm not really sure what Brendan ONeill's point is - other than we should get more mad.

He certainly doesn't offer anything in the way of an actual solution.



Well, I put in red font, size 24 and highlighted it  - still easy to miss for the likes of you who do NOT want the ideology exposed, confronted and eradicated, but want to protects it, misrepresent it, hide it, lie about it.



Tut, tut, Bwian's third wife.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes. Or is he your second? (after your favorite, Karnal, of course).

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Reply #56 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 2:15pm
 
Ah, you must be referring to the part we he boldly declares we must, and I quote "change this post-terror culture"

wow, profound stuff. Translate that paragraph into non- faux intellectual puffery - it says "we must get angrier at something - presumably muslims". Or in other words, a complete wank that says nothing whatsoever of substance.

I rest my case.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 2nd, 2018 at 2:15pm:
Ah, you must be referring to the part we he boldly declares we must, and I quote "change this post-terror culture"

wow, profound stuff.

I rest my case.



You have swiftly proven his point and mine: you do NOT want the ideology exposed, confronted and eradicated, but want to protects it, misrepresent it, hide it, lie about it.


If you do not see large red font text in yellow highlight then mebbe see an eye doctor.
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Reply #58 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 2:30pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2018 at 2:20pm:
you do NOT want the ideology exposed, confronted and eradicated,


Interesting, and of course we all know your idea of what that entails. Just read my signature quote if anyone's not sure. Brendan ONeill is a pompus twat who desperately tries to justify his bigotry with some faux-intellectual neo-liberal speak. But at least he is not a hypocrite like you. He wouldn't hold back in mocking you for your idiotic conception of how Islam's "ideology" must be "exposed, confronted and eradicated" - that you articulated so brilliantly in the quote I have in my signature. He would rightly ridicule the likes of you that claim to be the epitomy of western ideals and morals - while simultaneously trampling all over those very ideals
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Reply #59 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 2:35pm
 
Of course the reason ONeill is so absurdly light on details regarding his call to "change this post-terror culture", is that he knows he can't simply come out with the usual "ban them" mantra - being such a died-in-the-wool libertarian and all.

So what does a freedom-loving libertarian actually say when he wants us to somehow clamp down on extremists and muslims in general?

Obviously, he constructs his argument in a way that he ends up not saying anything at all.
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