TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2017 at 8:15pm:


So all the increase in CO2 is due to mans emissions that's snake oil right there brother.

No natural emissions............????

Ajax wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2017 at 8:26pm:


Or at least that's what the Koch Brothers tell you.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2017 at 7:13pm:


You will notice that the climate deniers always use a graph that starts with 1997 or 1998. It is this dishonest cherry picking of data that implies the so called "pause".

Dnarever's graph is over a longer time frame (climate is considered to be over 30 years at least). It shows that amongst the noise there is a steady increase in temperature.

lee wrote on Dec 24^th, 2017 at 11:43am:


Actually it is the same graph used by Marohasy and it starts at 1979 because that is when that type of satellite measurement became available.

lee wrote on Dec 24^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:


Yep. So a poor metric for climate change.


It is the centre piece of the no climate change exponents 17 year pause evidence. This is what their entire case is based on ???

You can not have it both ways.

Changing the goalposts!

Lee doesn’t get paid much!

Dnarever wrote on Dec 24^th, 2017 at 9:46pm:



Perhaps you need to read the IPCC Report.

"Box 9.2 | Climate Models and the Hiatus in Global Mean Surface Warming of the Past 15 Years
The observed global mean surface temperature (GMST) has shown a much smaller increasing linear trend over the past 15 years than over the past 30 to 60 years (Section 2.4.3, Figure 2.20, Table 2.7; Figure 9.8; Box 9.2 Figure 1a, c). Depending on the observational data set, the GMST trend over 1998–2012 is estimated to be around one-third to one-half of the trend over 1951–2012 (Section 2.4.3, Table 2.7; Box 9.2 Figure 1a, c). For example, in HadCRUT4 the trend is 0.04oC per decade over 1998–2012, compared to 0.11oC per decade over 1951–2012. The reduction in observed GMST trend is most marked in Northern Hemisphere winter (Section 2.4.3; Cohen et al., 2012). Even with this “hiatus” in GMST trend, the decade of the 2000s has been the warmest in the instrumental record of GMST (Section 2.4.3, Figure 2.19). Nevertheless, the occurrence of the hiatus in GMST trend during the past 15 years raises the two related questions of what has caused it and whether climate models are able to reproduce it."

WG1AR5_Chapter09_FINAL.pdf

So you are either dishonest or don't know what you are talking about.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 25^th, 2017 at 10:53am:



I don't know anyone who says that. Can you please provide proof?

Dnarever wrote on Dec 25^th, 2017 at 10:53am:



And the later ones say that there was. Who to believe?

You do know it is not a popularity contest? The most votes doesn't necessarily win.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 25^th, 2017 at 10:53am:


Oh you mean the ones that can pinpoint temperatures back to 1880-1890 to within +-.01º C. That's too funny. I think there were something like 5 stations in Europe back then. And of course the water temperature wasn't input into global temps until about 1980 and then they reconstructed backwards.

Absolutely too funny.

But at least you have now agreed that the IPCC did in fact say there was an hiatus.

You will notice I also wrote this-
lee wrote on Dec 24^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:


Well, I suppose I could be wrong. According to you 1998.