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Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:09am
 
And aussies are still waiting for Aborts $500 a year savings from the abolishing of our carbon trading scheme Sad

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China considers launch of carbon trading scheme


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     Expectations are growing in the run-up to global climate talks in Germany this week that China is preparing to launch a national carbon trading scheme.

Xi Jinping, China’s leader, said two years ago that Beijing would launch an emissions trading system in 2017 that would almost certainly become the largest of its type, eclipsing that of the EU.

With time running out, government officials, industry experts and researchers at Chinese think-tanks say Beijing could announce the scheme at the two-week Bonn climate change meeting that opens on Monday.

The expectations come as Beijing signals its readiness to fill the gap in global climate leadership following President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw the US from the Paris climate change deal.

“We are expecting the launch of national ETS in conjunction with the Bonn climate conference,” said Li Shuo, senior campaigner for Greenpeace East Asia, referring to an emissions trading system.

It is unclear how extensive or effective the scheme will be given what analysts said were problems with pricing and monitoring.

Problems have bedevilled China’s preparations to build a vibrant scheme that would allow the biggest corporate polluters to buy credits from those that do not emit as much.

A policy document outlining the design of the market has been approved by the powerful National Development and Reform Commission and is now awaiting approval by the leadership, said Mr Li.

China is the world’s biggest source of climate-warming greenhouse gases but has pledged to cap their growth by about 2030 through the use of cleaner energy.

If the scheme is a success it will reinforce China’s claim to global climate leadership.

“China wants to be a leader in a global sense on climate change and green technologies,” said Paula DiPerna, special adviser for CDP North America, an environmental charity. “And there is also a vacuum to fill with the US pulling out of the Paris accord last year.”

In a sign of how Chinese companies are preparing for mandatory carbon trading, a CDP survey found that the number of businesses that were using an internal carbon price has risen strongly in recent years.

Nicolette Bartlett, director of carbon pricing at CDP, said the number of Chinese companies implementing or planning such a move has risen from 54 in 2015 to 73 last year and 102 this year. Some 336 companies in China responded to CDP’s questionnaire.

Beijing has in recent weeks shown stronger intent at the grassroots level, launching an unprecedented crackdown down on heavy polluters, mandating that some of the biggest steel and coal producers nearly halve production this winter.

Households in China’s industrial heartland have been equipped with natural gas heaters this year to reduce dependence on dirty coal-fired generators.

Reliance on coal-fired power has already been declining steadily as China makes a push into developing renewable energy capacity in wind, hydropower and solar. Although new coal-fired capacity has continued to come online, additional capacity has been at its lowest since 2004, according to Greenpeace.

When plans for a national emissions trading scheme were announced in 2015, policymakers identified eight industrial sectors it would target in its first stage, such as petrochemicals and iron and steel. However, that list was shortened in May to power generation, aluminium and cement.

Experts now say the first stage of national carbon market will probably only cover power generation, though that represents a significant proportion of China’s carbon emissions.


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Reply #1 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 12:56pm
 
...here we go!
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Reply #2 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 3:47pm
 
Didn't we have a carbon pricing mechanism in place and 4.5 billion worth of new projects locked and loaded ready to go , on the front foot ready to attract the great minds and sell the intellectual property worldwide

Well we did until some dumb dumbs thought they were going to get 550 bucks , deary deary me
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Its time wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
Didn't we have a carbon pricing mechanism in place and 4.5 billion worth of new projects locked and loaded ready to go , on the front foot ready to attract the great minds and sell the intellectual property worldwide

Well we did until some dumb dumbs thought they were going to get 550 bucks , deary deary me

Australians are dickheads and we regularly get told that when we scoot about overseas for a reason!

Nothing has changed......
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Reply #4 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 4:14pm
 
Yes even the big Australian BHP is planning to cease its association with some mining organisations because or their anti climate change policy

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-19/bhp-threatens-minerals-council-withdrawal/...
BHP set to leave World Coal Association, threatens Minerals Council withdrawal

Australian mining giant BHP is set to pull out of the World Coal Association and is threatening to leave the Minerals Council of Australia over differences on climate change policy.
Key points:

    BHP plans to leave World Coal Association at the end of March 2018
    Company will review membership of Minerals Council within a year if MCA keeps lobbying for coal-fired power
    Shareholder activists cautiously welcome the move after pushing for BHP to quit the MCA

The company has published a 22-page report outlining key climate and energy policy differences between it and several of the lobby groups it is a member of.

The review has found material differences between BHP's position and the position of the Minerals Council of Australia (MCA), the US Chamber of Commerce and the World Coal Association (WCA).

BHP said it has reached a preliminary view to exit the WCA, with a final decision due by the end of March.

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Reply #5 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 5:25pm
 
Its time wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
Didn't we have a carbon pricing mechanism in place and 4.5 billion worth of new projects locked and loaded ready to go , on the front foot ready to attract the great minds and sell the intellectual property worldwide

Well we did until some dumb dumbs thought they were going to get 550 bucks , deary deary me


I'm still waiting for my $550 Mr Abort and the only jobs around are wrapping up customers Crissmus gifts down in Harvey Normans stores !!
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Reply #6 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 5:54pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:09am:
China considers launch of carbon trading scheme


Oh, it is only considering it. That's a far cry from announcing one. Wink
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Reply #7 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 7:14pm
 
Easy to see why con people are so good at what they do.

Very few Australians give a bugger about climate change and the environment.  They might say they do, but really they don't.
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Reply #8 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 7:17pm
 
hatman92 wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 7:14pm:
Easy to see why con people are so good at what they do.

Very few Australians give a bugger about climate change and the environment.  They might say they do, but really they don't.


What if climate change is one big scam and we make the world a better place , for nothing ?
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Reply #9 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 7:31pm
 
Its time wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 7:17pm:
hatman92 wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 7:14pm:
Easy to see why con people are so good at what they do.

Very few Australians give a bugger about climate change and the environment.  They might say they do, but really they don't.


What if climate change is one big scam and we make the world a better place , for nothing ?


We can't have the punters driving around in electric cars and generating their own energy, heaven forbid !!
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Reply #10 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 7:46pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 7:31pm:
Its time wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 7:17pm:
hatman92 wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 7:14pm:
Easy to see why con people are so good at what they do.

Very few Australians give a bugger about climate change and the environment.  They might say they do, but really they don't.


What if climate change is one big scam and we make the world a better place , for nothing ?


We can't have the punters driving around in electric cars and generating their own energy, heaven forbid !!


Seems like quite a lot of powerful people don't want to hop off fossil fools gravy train
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Reply #11 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 8:12pm
 
Its time wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 7:17pm:
What if climate change is one big scam and we make the world a better place , for nothing ?


Except you are not making the world a better place.

I was just reading today how Apple are knocking down a 17 year old building in Australia, simply to build a new store. 

The Sydney Olympic stadium, not even twenty years old, being knocked down.

Qld government announced a $2 billion entertainment precinct for Brisbane.

Plane travel the world over exempt from carbon taxes.

Shipping exempt from carbon taxes.

Tourism is a great contributor to greenhouse gasses.

As you can see, no one gives a stuff about climate change when the things affect them.

They always want someone else to be a scapegoat.  Typically in Australia it is rural landowners.


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Reply #12 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 8:25pm
 
hatman92 wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 8:12pm:
Its time wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 7:17pm:
What if climate change is one big scam and we make the world a better place , for nothing ?


Except you are not making the world a better place.

I was just reading today how Apple are knocking down a 17 year old building in Australia, simply to build a new store. 

The Sydney Olympic stadium, not even twenty years old, being knocked down.

Qld government announced a $2 billion entertainment precinct for Brisbane.

Plane travel the world over exempt from carbon taxes.

Shipping exempt from carbon taxes.

Tourism is a great contributor to greenhouse gasses.

As you can see, no one gives a stuff about climate change when the things affect them.

They always want someone else to be a scapegoat.  Typically in Australia it is rural landowners.


  Grin deary me , it's not all about you rtard , generations will follow you and I , you inconsiderate arse
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Reply #13 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:39pm
 
Its time wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 8:25pm:
deary me , it's not all about you rtard , generations will follow you and I , you inconsiderate arse


Well if they follow you they are heading the wrong way. Wink
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hatman92 wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 8:12pm:
Its time wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 7:17pm:
What if climate change is one big scam and we make the world a better place , for nothing ?


Except you are not making the world a better place.

I was just reading today how Apple are knocking down a 17 year old building in Australia, simply to build a new store. 

The Sydney Olympic stadium, not even twenty years old, being knocked down.

Qld government announced a $2 billion entertainment precinct for Brisbane.

Plane travel the world over exempt from carbon taxes.

Shipping exempt from carbon taxes.

Tourism is a great contributor to greenhouse gasses.

As you can see, no one gives a stuff about climate change when the things affect them.

They always want someone else to be a scapegoat.  Typically in Australia it is rural landowners.




My prediction is that nothing substantial will get done about climate change until it is too late because there are too many that are in denial and believe that shareholders greed and chasing worthless printed money is more important Sad
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Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:50am:
My prediction is that nothing substantial will get done about climate change until it is too late because there are too many that are in denial and believe that shareholders greed and chasing worthless printed money is more important



That would pre-suppose that man controls the climate. Wink
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lee wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 10:31am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:50am:
My prediction is that nothing substantial will get done about climate change until it is too late because there are too many that are in denial and believe that shareholders greed and chasing worthless printed money is more important



That would pre-suppose that man controls the climate. Wink


Like I said people in denial !!
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Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Like I said people in denial !!


perhaps you should show proof. Wink
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Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 4:01pm:
lee wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 10:31am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:50am:
My prediction is that nothing substantial will get done about climate change until it is too late because there are too many that are in denial and believe that shareholders greed and chasing worthless printed money is more important

That would pre-suppose that man controls the climate. Wink

Like I said people in denial !!

It's ossification of thought. Either that, or these people have vested interests in the fossil fuel industry that they refuse to disclose.

Meanwhile, the cracks are appearing ... BHP set to leave World Coal Association, threatens Minerals Council withdrawal
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Reply #19 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:48pm
 
The two biggest issues in the world today are the population explosion and the amount of crap being pumped into the sky. You could say over-fishing and sea pollution, and several other issues, but they all boil down to over-population. That problem is centred, and so it is no surprise that China should try to do something about, but you have to remember that its easy for the Chinese to govern by decree.

If a carbon trading scheme is the answer to pollution problems, I have yet to be convinced. And I am always suspicious of Leftist solutions that fall back on more regulation and more tax. You'd be forgiven for thinking with all that academia, they could come up with something a bit more imaginative.
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Bam wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:26pm:
It's ossification of thought.



Oh no. Bammy is stuck on that new word mumsy taught him.

Bam wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:26pm:
Meanwhile, the cracks are appearing ... BHP set to leave World Coal Association, threatens Minerals Council withdrawal


So one corporation. Do you think a new one will fill the void or that the others will expand their operations.

"BHP has indicated its desire to remain part of the MCA "given the high level of benefit BHP derives from membership", but the company has said it will request the MCA refrain from policy activity and advocacy in these areas of difference on climate and energy policy."

Of course the new large shareholders are Greenies. So they control a lot of votes.

So what did you expect they would do?
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lee wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:26pm:
It's ossification of thought.

Oh no. Bammy is stuck on that new word mumsy taught him.

It's an apt description, especially of your thinking. Your mind is so closed that a stick of gelignite duct-taped to the back of your head wouldn't be enough to blast any new ideas in.
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Reply #22 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 10:17pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:26pm:
It's ossification of thought.



Oh no. Bammy is stuck on that new word mumsy taught him.

Bam wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:26pm:
Meanwhile, the cracks are appearing ... BHP set to leave World Coal Association, threatens Minerals Council withdrawal


So one corporation. Do you think a new one will fill the void or that the others will expand their operations.

Is that supposed to be a question? You used the wrong punctuation. Roll Eyes

Not if the market for coal is shrinking. Fossil fuels are on the way out, no matter how much Koch brothers propaganda you read.
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Reply #23 - Dec 22nd, 2017 at 10:53am
 
lee wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 6:47pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Like I said people in denial !!


perhaps you should show proof. Wink


There is no such thing as proof for people like you. I am quite satisfied with the proof to date. Even if there is a 1% chance of it being wrong unlike you I am not willing to risk the future of the planet by taking a massive gamble and putting all of my money on the wrong horse !!
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Reply #24 - Dec 22nd, 2017 at 6:39pm
 
Bam wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 10:17pm:
Is that supposed to be a question? You used the wrong punctuation.



Thank you Captain pedantic. I've noticed plenty of mistakes from you, but don't criticise. It has been said we are all human. Humans make mistakes. If you think otherwise you must be a borg.

Bam wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 10:17pm:
Not if the market for coal is shrinking. Fossil fuels are on the way out, no matter how much Koch brothers propaganda you read.
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Sorry. I don't read Koch. You really are confused. Wink

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Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 22nd, 2017 at 10:53am:
There is no such thing as proof for people like you. I am quite satisfied with the proof to date. Even if there is a 1% chance of it being wrong unlike you I am not willing to risk the future of the planet by taking a massive gamble and putting all of my money on the wrong horse !!



Originally I said -

lee wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 10:31am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:50am:
My prediction is that nothing substantial will get done about climate change until it is too late because there are too many that are in denial and believe that shareholders greed and chasing worthless printed money is more important



That would pre-suppose that man controls the climate. Wink



Now seeing as the WMO says climate is an average  of 30 years weather; to control climate man would have to control weather. There hasn't been any sign of that.

Oh if it is only a 1% chance you think we should do something?

So far it has cost billions of dollars and no effect. And you would commit many more billions on a 1% chance rather than mitigation? Idiotic.

So what do you want to reduce? CO2 to cool the earth, per the alarmist mantra? But if you cool the earth the oceans sequester more CO2. That would mean more carbonic acid, the acid the alarmists say is causing ocean acidification. Surely that is not the result you want? Wink
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Reply #26 - Dec 26th, 2017 at 6:23pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 22nd, 2017 at 6:39pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 10:17pm:
Is that supposed to be a question? You used the wrong punctuation.



Thank you Captain pedantic. I've noticed plenty of mistakes from you, but don't criticise. It has been said we are all human. Humans make mistakes. If you think otherwise you must be a borg.

Bam wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 10:17pm:
Not if the market for coal is shrinking. Fossil fuels are on the way out, no matter how much Koch brothers propaganda you read.
Posted by: Bam  Mark & Quote Quote      



Sorry. I don't read Koch. You really are confused. Wink

You really need to read up on how the Koch brothers contribute some of the hundreds of millions of dollars a year in dark money to fund the propaganda of the climate denial movement, propaganda that has you totally conned, hook, line and sinker.
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Chinese are wise people, who know what they are doing, not infected by blindness western Gay mentality.
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Bam wrote on Dec 26th, 2017 at 6:23pm:
You really need to read up on how the Koch brothers contribute some of the hundreds of millions of dollars a year in dark money to fund the propaganda of the climate denial movement, propaganda that has you totally conned, hook, line and sinker.



perhaps you need to read greenpeace.

"The Koch Brothers have sent at least $100,343,292 directly to 84 groups denying climate change science since 1997."

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/global-warming/climate-deniers/koch-industries/

Last donation mentioned? 2015

Then they show funding since 1986.

Total:      $3,391,460      $9,817,350      $4,043,240      $35,541

But when you add those totals since 1986 you get 17,287,591.00 in 29 years. That averages out to less than $600k/year. So no where near your $100m/ year.

So how much do Greenpeace spend on Climate Change?


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