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Article 7 for Poland

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As she fights for her political life Soon-to-be-ex-Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel will go down swinging against her stiffest political opponents in the European Union, the Poles.
Merkel and French President Emmanual Macron publicly agreed to back Article 7 proceedings against Poland for refusing to comply with EU immigration quotas and changes to its judicial system.

Immigration quotas, I might add, that are becoming harder to defend as the war in Syria is mostly over and the flow of refugees from there has slowed to a trickle.   But, those brought in and stranded in camps in Italy and Greece apparently need to go somewhere else.

But, no one wants them.  And the rest of the EU is trying to bully Poland and the rest of the Visigrad countries – Hungary, Czech Republic and Slovakia – into taking on their ‘fair share.’  The problem with this is that Merkel made this decision unilaterally and foisted it on the rest of the EU.

And she is determined not to lose this fight to Poland, not because this is any kind of humanitarian issue at this point.

No, this is about the primacy of EU diktats being enforced at the expense of logic and political cohesion.  And, as I’ve been warning about all year, Merkel will put the EU before any practical consideration and bring Article 7 proceedings against Poland.

Because she has to.

Immigration and the destruction of individual European cultures is the guiding principle behind the EU’s biggest benefactors.  This policy is part of the long-term strategic goals of the EU.  It has created an army which will be used to quell secessionist movements in the name of ‘continental security.’

Because despite the fevered dreams of a few hundred Latvians, the Russians are not invading Europe anytime soon.

And I have to wonder who will staff this Grand Army of the Oligarchy?  After impoverishing an entire generation of people thanks to a decade-long banking system bailout, you shouldn’t be expecting the crème de la crème of the vanishing European middle class.

You can expect a number of these newly-integrated immigrants that Merkel invited at everyone else’s expense will be in their ranks.  And only the most politically-acceptable members of the current armies of each country will be invited to positions of authority in this new EU army.  Their loyalty will be to the EU first and their homes second.

The very definition of a Vichy gendarme for the 21st century.

Poland and the rest of the Visigrad Four – Hungary, Czech Republic and Slovakia – are headed for a collision course with the rest of Western Europe over this issue and many others.

And invoking Article 7 will eventually allow the European Parliament to rescind all economic aid to Poland and its voting rights within the body.  While at that same time not allowing Poland free access to international trade because it will not be an independent nation at that point.

Any move to extricate itself from the EU politically or practically will be met with the most strident opposition.  Look no further than Brexit talks and the brutal put-down of Catalonia’s independence movement to see Poland’s future.

The first step is a political reprimand.  But, the problem for Merkel and the EU in general is that Poland’s ruling Law and Justice party is more popular than ever thanks to its opposition to her nonsense.

The same thing is happening across all of Eastern Europe.  The Czechs just elected their version of Donald Trump, Andrej Babis.  The Austrians put together a coalition government this week comprised of the two most anti-immigration parties in the country.

And their new Foreign Minister wasn’t on the job more than a couple of days before publicly declaring Austria would be ending its economic sanctions against Russia which have been in place since 2014 over Russia’s reunification with Crimea.

I wonder how well that’s going to go over the next time the council of EU Foreign Ministers gets together.  EU sanctions require unanimity or the measure is rescinded.  Opposition to these sanctions has been growing but there has been a lack of leadership in standing up to Germany on this.

That will likely change in 2018 with Germany’s leadership in flux.

Merkel will simply continue doing what she’s told to do as the European Project proceeds steadfastly towards its original goal.  It doesn’t matter that the EU will be in tatters once it gets there.  Stay the course is all she and the rest of the EU elites have left.
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The EU is destined to crash-and-burn like the worst train-wreck in history, and then out of this conflagration will rise phoenix-like a return to national sovereignties and border controls, and the Left of the polity will have seen the last of its halcyon years.



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Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:55am:
The EU is destined to crash-and-burn like the worst train-wreck in history, and then out of this conflagration will rise phoenix-like a return to national sovereignties and border controls, and the Left of the polity will have seen the last of its halcyon years.





Sounds like a plan, Herbie.

Blood and fire. It'll be WWII all over again, no?
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Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:04am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:55am:
The EU is destined to crash-and-burn like the worst train-wreck in history, and then out of this conflagration will rise phoenix-like a return to national sovereignties and border controls, and the Left of the polity will have seen the last of its halcyon years.





Sounds like a plan, Herbie.

Blood and fire. It'll be WWII all over again, no?


Like you care what happens, as long as more Muzlims get into Europe.
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issuevoter wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:45am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:04am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:55am:
The EU is destined to crash-and-burn like the worst train-wreck in history, and then out of this conflagration will rise phoenix-like a return to national sovereignties and border controls, and the Left of the polity will have seen the last of its halcyon years.





Sounds like a plan, Herbie.

Blood and fire. It'll be WWII all over again, no?


Like you care what happens, as long as more Muzlims get into Europe.


You sound cranky about something, Issue. I most certainly do care about Europe. I'm aware that this is the longest time in its history without war. I also know that the one thing that's prevented this is the common market and currency.

Europe now has shared interests, and in all the countries I've been to, people are proud to be a part of a European community. Imagine, after a millenia where people defined their sovereignty in terms of kingdoms at war, they now define themselves as a people at peace, where they can travel and trade freely.

Who wouldn't want this? Who would trade peace and economic stability for petty squabbles, death, destruction and blitzkrieg?

As a European citizen myself, I'm happy. Europe is the world's biggest market and enjoys the best living conditions in the world. Who wouldn't be happy?

Apart from you, Herbie and Bogie, I mean.
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All live happily surrounded by Muslim rape gangs, fearful of Muslim terrorist mass atrocities, enjoy groupthink engineered by the likes of Merkel and Soros.
Sounds great. Wonder why more & more countries want out or radical change from the Brussels cabal-run system.

But Karnal doesn't mind a few women gang- raped or a few priests stabbed or.people mown down in the streets.
All for the greater Diversified Islamic Caliphate eh?
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bogarde73 wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 12:42pm:
All live happily surrounded by Muslim rape gangs, fearful of Muslim terrorist mass atrocities, enjoy groupthink engineered by the likes of Merkel and Soros.


I asked you recently what George Soros has to do with Europe, Bogie. You declined to answer.

So let's discuss it now. Please explain which program Soros funds that brings Muslims into Europe.

Cheers.
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That would have made a change. You usually just tell me you're curious.

Now I can understand you're losing your rag Karnal, but remember you need it to get back into the Caliphate.
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bogarde73 wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 1:32pm:
That would have made a change. You usually just tell me you're curious.

Now I can understand you're losing your rag Karnal, but remember you need it to get back into the Caliphate.


Ignore his trolling, Bogarde.
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bogarde73 wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 1:32pm:
That would have made a change. You usually just tell me you're curious.

Now I can understand you're losing your rag Karnal, but remember you need it to get back into the Caliphate.


Don't want to say, eh?

Now you and I both know that's because George Soros doesn't fund anything that even remotely has to do with bringing Muslims into Europe. His donations are all out in the open, they're tax deductible, and anyone can look them up - just like anyone can look up the number of Germans living in Hungary.

You can continue to make stuff up, Bogie, and I can continue to check the facts. Herbie mightn't like it, but here in Australia, we call this freedom of speech. As Orwell wrote, freedom is the ability to say that two plus two equals four.

For you, freedom is the ability to tell fibs. As we Australians know, this isn't freedom, it's tyranny. You want a world where people are continually at each others throats, fighting over lies. You want a state of constant war, as your thoughts on Europe attest.

Sorry, Bogie, you're outnumbered - not only by those who want peace, but by the facts themselves.

It is a jolly world, no?

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Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 1:41pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 1:32pm:
That would have made a change. You usually just tell me you're curious.

Now I can understand you're losing your rag Karnal, but remember you need it to get back into the Caliphate.


Ignore his trolling, Bogarde.


Sorry to offend, Herbie.

So unfair.
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Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:04am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:55am:
The EU is destined to crash-and-burn like the worst train-wreck in history, and then out of this conflagration will rise phoenix-like a return to national sovereignties and border controls, and the Left of the polity will have seen the last of its halcyon years.





Sounds like a plan, Herbie.

Blood and fire. It'll be WWII all over again, no?


When freely available energy via petroleum vanishes to a trickle, that will become the new reality....
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 6:56pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:04am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:55am:
The EU is destined to crash-and-burn like the worst train-wreck in history, and then out of this conflagration will rise phoenix-like a return to national sovereignties and border controls, and the Left of the polity will have seen the last of its halcyon years.





Sounds like a plan, Herbie.

Blood and fire. It'll be WWII all over again, no?


When freely available energy via petroleum vanishes to a trickle, that will become the new reality....


That reads as a metaphor for a distant time. I don't see petroleum running out this century. The reserves are massive, and exploration keeps finding more. Nor do I see the EU crashing in the foreseeable future. It will have problems but welfare will keep deluded humanists like Merkle in power. Remember, anyone who wants to defend their way of life, and their borders, is a Nazi.
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Reply #13 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:33am
 
issuevoter wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 6:56pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:04am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:55am:
The EU is destined to crash-and-burn like the worst train-wreck in history, and then out of this conflagration will rise phoenix-like a return to national sovereignties and border controls, and the Left of the polity will have seen the last of its halcyon years.





Sounds like a plan, Herbie.

Blood and fire. It'll be WWII all over again, no?


When freely available energy via petroleum vanishes to a trickle, that will become the new reality....


That reads as a metaphor for a distant time. I don't see petroleum running out this century. The reserves are massive, and exploration keeps finding more. Nor do I see the EU crashing in the foreseeable future. It will have problems but welfare will keep deluded humanists like Merkle in power. Remember, anyone who wants to defend their way of life, and their borders, is a Nazi.


German manufacturing is keeping the Christian Democrat Merkel going, Issue. It's the economy. The US could look no further than Germany and the EU to see how things work in a healthy, low-emissions manufacturing economy with high terms of trade.

Germany exports more than it imports. It does so as a member of the world's biggest trading block.

I'm hardly a Merkel fan, but these are just the facts. All the things you deride Germany and Europe for are the things that have made them great again.
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Reply #14 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:58am
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:33am:
issuevoter wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 6:56pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:04am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:55am:
The EU is destined to crash-and-burn like the worst train-wreck in history, and then out of this conflagration will rise phoenix-like a return to national sovereignties and border controls, and the Left of the polity will have seen the last of its halcyon years.





Sounds like a plan, Herbie.

Blood and fire. It'll be WWII all over again, no?


When freely available energy via petroleum vanishes to a trickle, that will become the new reality....


That reads as a metaphor for a distant time. I don't see petroleum running out this century. The reserves are massive, and exploration keeps finding more. Nor do I see the EU crashing in the foreseeable future. It will have problems but welfare will keep deluded humanists like Merkle in power. Remember, anyone who wants to defend their way of life, and their borders, is a Nazi.


German manufacturing is keeping the Christian Democrat Merkel going, Issue. It's the economy. The US could look no further than Germany and the EU to see how things work in a healthy, low-emissions manufacturing economy with high terms of trade.

Germany exports more than it imports. It does so as a member of the world's biggest trading block.

I'm hardly a Merkel fan, but these are just the facts. All the things you deride Germany and Europe for are the things that have made them great again.



once you have enough money to "stave off the debt collectors", then additional cash doesnt seem to add to national "happiness".

people need function and for men function must come in the form of climbing the "competance' heirachy.
there has to be some challenge to overcome
there has to be some mountain to climb.

maybe the assimilation of the migrants is the next challenge that fat Fritz and fat Eva are going to undertake.

it will certainly get them off the couch and stop them sitting around "pleasuring themselves".

Solzenitzen wrote a great book along those lines with the story of how if you put humans in a glass spa full of joy and sensual pleasure and there were bubbles of pure bliss coming up thru the water, the first thing they would do is smash the glass to make something interesting happen.

We spiritually know that "the socialist utopia " is boring and bad for us. Maybe Merkel subconsciously knew this as well and had to smash her utopia.

it goes to prove, there is no utopia. there is no end to the journey, that once you rest on your laurels you are screwed and you have to keep rising to face the challenge.

but not in the way  the left envisage it. Wink
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Reply #15 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:02am
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:58am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:33am:
issuevoter wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 6:56pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:04am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:55am:
The EU is destined to crash-and-burn like the worst train-wreck in history, and then out of this conflagration will rise phoenix-like a return to national sovereignties and border controls, and the Left of the polity will have seen the last of its halcyon years.





Sounds like a plan, Herbie.

Blood and fire. It'll be WWII all over again, no?


When freely available energy via petroleum vanishes to a trickle, that will become the new reality....


That reads as a metaphor for a distant time. I don't see petroleum running out this century. The reserves are massive, and exploration keeps finding more. Nor do I see the EU crashing in the foreseeable future. It will have problems but welfare will keep deluded humanists like Merkle in power. Remember, anyone who wants to defend their way of life, and their borders, is a Nazi.


German manufacturing is keeping the Christian Democrat Merkel going, Issue. It's the economy. The US could look no further than Germany and the EU to see how things work in a healthy, low-emissions manufacturing economy with high terms of trade.

Germany exports more than it imports. It does so as a member of the world's biggest trading block.

I'm hardly a Merkel fan, but these are just the facts. All the things you deride Germany and Europe for are the things that have made them great again.



once you have enough money to "stave off the debt collectors", then additional cash doesnt seem to add to national "happiness".

people need function and for men function must come in the form of climbing the "competance' heirachy.
there has to be some challenge to overcome
there has to be some mountain to climb.

maybe the assimilation of the migrants is the next challenge that fat Fritz and fat Eva are going to undertake.

it will certainly get them off the couch and stop them sitting around "pleasuring themselves".

Solzenitzen wrote a great book along those lines with the story of how if you put humans in a glass spa full of joy and sensual pleasure and there were bubbles of pure bliss coming up thru the water, the first thing they would do is smash the glass to make something interesting happen.

We spiritually know that "the socialist utopia " is boring and bad for us. Maybe Merkel subconsciously knew this as well and had to smash her utopia.

it goes to prove, there is no utopia. there is no end to the journey, that once you rest on your laurels you are screwed and you have to keep rising to face the challenge.

but not in the way  the left envisage it. Wink


Germany's run by a conservative, pro-business government, dear, so I'm not sure what you're suggesting.
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Reply #16 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:17am
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:02am:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:58am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:33am:
issuevoter wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 6:56pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:04am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:55am:
The EU is destined to crash-and-burn like the worst train-wreck in history, and then out of this conflagration will rise phoenix-like a return to national sovereignties and border controls, and the Left of the polity will have seen the last of its halcyon years.





Sounds like a plan, Herbie.

Blood and fire. It'll be WWII all over again, no?


When freely available energy via petroleum vanishes to a trickle, that will become the new reality....


That reads as a metaphor for a distant time. I don't see petroleum running out this century. The reserves are massive, and exploration keeps finding more. Nor do I see the EU crashing in the foreseeable future. It will have problems but welfare will keep deluded humanists like Merkle in power. Remember, anyone who wants to defend their way of life, and their borders, is a Nazi.


German manufacturing is keeping the Christian Democrat Merkel going, Issue. It's the economy. The US could look no further than Germany and the EU to see how things work in a healthy, low-emissions manufacturing economy with high terms of trade.

Germany exports more than it imports. It does so as a member of the world's biggest trading block.

I'm hardly a Merkel fan, but these are just the facts. All the things you deride Germany and Europe for are the things that have made them great again.



once you have enough money to "stave off the debt collectors", then additional cash doesnt seem to add to national "happiness".

people need function and for men function must come in the form of climbing the "competance' heirachy.
there has to be some challenge to overcome
there has to be some mountain to climb.

maybe the assimilation of the migrants is the next challenge that fat Fritz and fat Eva are going to undertake.

it will certainly get them off the couch and stop them sitting around "pleasuring themselves".

Solzenitzen wrote a great book along those lines with the story of how if you put humans in a glass spa full of joy and sensual pleasure and there were bubbles of pure bliss coming up thru the water, the first thing they would do is smash the glass to make something interesting happen.

We spiritually know that "the socialist utopia " is boring and bad for us. Maybe Merkel subconsciously knew this as well and had to smash her utopia.

it goes to prove, there is no utopia. there is no end to the journey, that once you rest on your laurels you are screwed and you have to keep rising to face the challenge.

but not in the way  the left envisage it. Wink


Germany's run by a conservative, pro-business government, dear, so I'm not sure what you're suggesting.



part of being "pro business" is the knowledge that if constant challenges are not being thrown into the system, then the system becomes weakened, the workers become disengaged and the tendency to take risks and push hard diminishes.

so a pro business model would involve constantly challenging business and constantly throwing a spanner in the works and expecting business to learn from the spanner and stay alert.  it would not involve some sort of leftie 'safe space" for business.

thats why business has thrived when exposed to pressure.
thats why the best welcome the heat of the marketplace.

capitalism and the marketplace rock, they are unstoppable.

and identity politics, victimhood, safe spaces, trigger warnings are designed to shield people from this very very beneficial pressure and heat.
the left should look on in awe at the awesomeness of competition, dominance hierachies, the rough and tumble of the marketplace and throw themsleves into it with vigour.this is the path of the superior man
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Reply #17 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:34am
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:17am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:02am:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:58am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:33am:
issuevoter wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 6:56pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:04am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:55am:
The EU is destined to crash-and-burn like the worst train-wreck in history, and then out of this conflagration will rise phoenix-like a return to national sovereignties and border controls, and the Left of the polity will have seen the last of its halcyon years.





Sounds like a plan, Herbie.

Blood and fire. It'll be WWII all over again, no?


When freely available energy via petroleum vanishes to a trickle, that will become the new reality....


That reads as a metaphor for a distant time. I don't see petroleum running out this century. The reserves are massive, and exploration keeps finding more. Nor do I see the EU crashing in the foreseeable future. It will have problems but welfare will keep deluded humanists like Merkle in power. Remember, anyone who wants to defend their way of life, and their borders, is a Nazi.


German manufacturing is keeping the Christian Democrat Merkel going, Issue. It's the economy. The US could look no further than Germany and the EU to see how things work in a healthy, low-emissions manufacturing economy with high terms of trade.

Germany exports more than it imports. It does so as a member of the world's biggest trading block.

I'm hardly a Merkel fan, but these are just the facts. All the things you deride Germany and Europe for are the things that have made them great again.



once you have enough money to "stave off the debt collectors", then additional cash doesnt seem to add to national "happiness".

people need function and for men function must come in the form of climbing the "competance' heirachy.
there has to be some challenge to overcome
there has to be some mountain to climb.

maybe the assimilation of the migrants is the next challenge that fat Fritz and fat Eva are going to undertake.

it will certainly get them off the couch and stop them sitting around "pleasuring themselves".

Solzenitzen wrote a great book along those lines with the story of how if you put humans in a glass spa full of joy and sensual pleasure and there were bubbles of pure bliss coming up thru the water, the first thing they would do is smash the glass to make something interesting happen.

We spiritually know that "the socialist utopia " is boring and bad for us. Maybe Merkel subconsciously knew this as well and had to smash her utopia.

it goes to prove, there is no utopia. there is no end to the journey, that once you rest on your laurels you are screwed and you have to keep rising to face the challenge.

but not in the way  the left envisage it. Wink


Germany's run by a conservative, pro-business government, dear, so I'm not sure what you're suggesting.



part of being "pro business" is the knowledge that if constant challenges are not being thrown into the system, then the system becomes weakened, the workers become disengaged and the tendency to take risks and push hard diminishes.

so a pro business model would involve constantly challenging business and constantly throwing a spanner in the works and expecting business to learn from the spanner and stay alert.  it would not involve some sort of leftie 'safe space" for business.

thats why business has thrived when exposed to pressure.
thats why the best welcome the heat of the marketplace.

capitalism and the marketplace rock, they are unstoppable.

and identity politics, victimhood, safe spaces, trigger warnings are designed to shield people from this very very beneficial pressure and heat.
the left should look on in awe at the awesomeness of competition, dominance hierachies, the rough and tumble of the marketplace and throw themsleves into it with vigour.this is the path of the superior man


Sorry, are you now suggesting governments should sabotage the business sector?

And why? Based on sales figures, German manufacturing is more vigorous than it's ever been.
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Reply #18 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:44am
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:34am:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:17am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:02am:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:58am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:33am:
issuevoter wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 6:56pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:04am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:55am:
The EU is destined to crash-and-burn like the worst train-wreck in history, and then out of this conflagration will rise phoenix-like a return to national sovereignties and border controls, and the Left of the polity will have seen the last of its halcyon years.





Sounds like a plan, Herbie.

Blood and fire. It'll be WWII all over again, no?


When freely available energy via petroleum vanishes to a trickle, that will become the new reality....


That reads as a metaphor for a distant time. I don't see petroleum running out this century. The reserves are massive, and exploration keeps finding more. Nor do I see the EU crashing in the foreseeable future. It will have problems but welfare will keep deluded humanists like Merkle in power. Remember, anyone who wants to defend their way of life, and their borders, is a Nazi.


German manufacturing is keeping the Christian Democrat Merkel going, Issue. It's the economy. The US could look no further than Germany and the EU to see how things work in a healthy, low-emissions manufacturing economy with high terms of trade.

Germany exports more than it imports. It does so as a member of the world's biggest trading block.

I'm hardly a Merkel fan, but these are just the facts. All the things you deride Germany and Europe for are the things that have made them great again.



once you have enough money to "stave off the debt collectors", then additional cash doesnt seem to add to national "happiness".

people need function and for men function must come in the form of climbing the "competance' heirachy.
there has to be some challenge to overcome
there has to be some mountain to climb.

maybe the assimilation of the migrants is the next challenge that fat Fritz and fat Eva are going to undertake.

it will certainly get them off the couch and stop them sitting around "pleasuring themselves".

Solzenitzen wrote a great book along those lines with the story of how if you put humans in a glass spa full of joy and sensual pleasure and there were bubbles of pure bliss coming up thru the water, the first thing they would do is smash the glass to make something interesting happen.

We spiritually know that "the socialist utopia " is boring and bad for us. Maybe Merkel subconsciously knew this as well and had to smash her utopia.

it goes to prove, there is no utopia. there is no end to the journey, that once you rest on your laurels you are screwed and you have to keep rising to face the challenge.

but not in the way  the left envisage it. Wink


Germany's run by a conservative, pro-business government, dear, so I'm not sure what you're suggesting.



part of being "pro business" is the knowledge that if constant challenges are not being thrown into the system, then the system becomes weakened, the workers become disengaged and the tendency to take risks and push hard diminishes.

so a pro business model would involve constantly challenging business and constantly throwing a spanner in the works and expecting business to learn from the spanner and stay alert.  it would not involve some sort of leftie 'safe space" for business.

thats why business has thrived when exposed to pressure.
thats why the best welcome the heat of the marketplace.

capitalism and the marketplace rock, they are unstoppable.

and identity politics, victimhood, safe spaces, trigger warnings are designed to shield people from this very very beneficial pressure and heat.
the left should look on in awe at the awesomeness of competition, dominance hierachies, the rough and tumble of the marketplace and throw themsleves into it with vigour.this is the path of the superior man


Sorry, are you now suggesting governments should sabotage the business sector?

And why? Based on sales figures, German manufacturing is more vigorous than it's ever been.



governments dont need to sabotage the business sector.
it is 'thriving" because it faces endless challenges and competition and change.

taking a lesson from this, we can infer that the correct thing for governments to do to help those who arent involved in business  , (those on welfare, those in the education system, those who are unemployed, those who are retired and enjoying the "golden years") is to make sure they face endless challenges, expose them to competition and dont let them become to comfortable. this seems to be at odds with how governments actually treat these groups.  now if the importation of 1 million migrants makes the population feel discomfort, challenge, pressure and change, then bravo, it is going to be helpful.

lets see if fritz and freda can rise to the challenge.

i find that business can always rise to a  challenge or it becomes extinct.

if fritz and freda cant also rise to a challenge, then a similar fate awaits them.

Merkel is merely playing the role of Charles Darwin on a national scale
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Reply #19 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:52am
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:44am:
governments dont need to sabotage the business sector.
it is 'thriving" because it faces endless challenges and competition and change.

taking a lesson from this, we can infer that the correct thing for governments to do to help those who arent involved in business  , (those on welfare, those in the education system, those who are unemployed, those who are retired and enjoying the "golden years") is to make sure they face endless challenges, expose them to competition and dont let them become to comfortable. this seems to be at odds with how governments actually treat these groups.  now if the importation of 1 million migrants makes the population feel discomfort, challenge, pressure and change, then bravo, it is going to be helpful.

lets see if fritz and freda can rise to the challenge.

i find that business can always rise to a  challenge or it becomes extinct.

if fritz and freda cant also rise to a challenge, then a similar fate awaits them.

Merkel is merely playing the role of Charles Darwin on a national scale


Can you explain this in practice, Aquascoot? How should a government make its citizens feel less comfortable?
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Reply #20 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 10:06am
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:52am:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:44am:
governments dont need to sabotage the business sector.
it is 'thriving" because it faces endless challenges and competition and change.

taking a lesson from this, we can infer that the correct thing for governments to do to help those who arent involved in business  , (those on welfare, those in the education system, those who are unemployed, those who are retired and enjoying the "golden years") is to make sure they face endless challenges, expose them to competition and dont let them become to comfortable. this seems to be at odds with how governments actually treat these groups.  now if the importation of 1 million migrants makes the population feel discomfort, challenge, pressure and change, then bravo, it is going to be helpful.

lets see if fritz and freda can rise to the challenge.

i find that business can always rise to a  challenge or it becomes extinct.

if fritz and freda cant also rise to a challenge, then a similar fate awaits them.

Merkel is merely playing the role of Charles Darwin on a national scale


Can you explain this in practice, Aquascoot? How should a government make its citizens feel less comfortable?


the mass media and the cultural hypnosis tells people that "relaxing on the couch" and "being pleasured" will lead to long term peace and contentment.

but a smart person (and most people who get to the top of a dominance hierachy are pretty damm smart) know that this isnt true.

now they have to pander to steve and janeen (or fritz and freda) because elections are a popularity contest and the people stuck in the cultural hypnosis still want the government to pander to them and hug them like an infant.

but a good leader (like a good parent) knows that a sheltered child is a disaster .
you dont teach your kids to be afraid of strangers.
you would just get a timid kid.
and an evil stranger is going to prey on a timid kid.
no

you invite a bit of evil into their world so they arent naive.
you expose them to a bit of pressure so they arent weak.

Mummy Merkel (at a subconscious level) is inviting in a bit of chaos to stir up the system because stagnant water eventually becomes putrid.

like a good parent , she doesnt want the kids getting too comfortable. too much comfort = no growth
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Reply #21 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 10:54am
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 10:06am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:52am:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:44am:
governments dont need to sabotage the business sector.
it is 'thriving" because it faces endless challenges and competition and change.

taking a lesson from this, we can infer that the correct thing for governments to do to help those who arent involved in business  , (those on welfare, those in the education system, those who are unemployed, those who are retired and enjoying the "golden years") is to make sure they face endless challenges, expose them to competition and dont let them become to comfortable. this seems to be at odds with how governments actually treat these groups.  now if the importation of 1 million migrants makes the population feel discomfort, challenge, pressure and change, then bravo, it is going to be helpful.

lets see if fritz and freda can rise to the challenge.

i find that business can always rise to a  challenge or it becomes extinct.

if fritz and freda cant also rise to a challenge, then a similar fate awaits them.

Merkel is merely playing the role of Charles Darwin on a national scale


Can you explain this in practice, Aquascoot? How should a government make its citizens feel less comfortable?


the mass media and the cultural hypnosis tells people that "relaxing on the couch" and "being pleasured" will lead to long term peace and contentment.

but a smart person (and most people who get to the top of a dominance hierachy are pretty damm smart) know that this isnt true.

now they have to pander to steve and janeen (or fritz and freda) because elections are a popularity contest and the people stuck in the cultural hypnosis still want the government to pander to them and hug them like an infant.

but a good leader (like a good parent) knows that a sheltered child is a disaster .
you dont teach your kids to be afraid of strangers.
you would just get a timid kid.
and an evil stranger is going to prey on a timid kid.
no

you invite a bit of evil into their world so they arent naive.
you expose them to a bit of pressure so they arent weak.

Mummy Merkel (at a subconscious level) is inviting in a bit of chaos to stir up the system because stagnant water eventually becomes putrid.

like a good parent , she doesnt want the kids getting too comfortable. too much comfort = no growth


I asked how making citizens uncomfortable would be carried out in practice, Aquascoot. How can a government "invite a bit of evil" into voters' worlds? How should a government pressure its citizens?

Most governments state their intent as preventing evil. Which policies do you think could be implemented to achieve your aims?
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Reply #22 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 11:32am
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:33am:
issuevoter wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 6:56pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:04am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:55am:
The EU is destined to crash-and-burn like the worst train-wreck in history, and then out of this conflagration will rise phoenix-like a return to national sovereignties and border controls, and the Left of the polity will have seen the last of its halcyon years.





Sounds like a plan, Herbie.

Blood and fire. It'll be WWII all over again, no?


When freely available energy via petroleum vanishes to a trickle, that will become the new reality....


That reads as a metaphor for a distant time. I don't see petroleum running out this century. The reserves are massive, and exploration keeps finding more. Nor do I see the EU crashing in the foreseeable future. It will have problems but welfare will keep deluded humanists like Merkle in power. Remember, anyone who wants to defend their way of life, and their borders, is a Nazi.


German manufacturing is keeping the Christian Democrat Merkel going, Issue. It's the economy. The US could look no further than Germany and the EU to see how things work in a healthy, low-emissions manufacturing economy with high terms of trade.

Germany exports more than it imports. It does so as a member of the world's biggest trading block.

I'm hardly a Merkel fan, but these are just the facts. All the things you deride Germany and Europe for are the things that have made them great again.


Wrong. German voters keep deluded humanists like Merkle in power, and the biggest issue in recent times for them was mass immigration sanctioned by Merkle. That is why she didn't do so well in the last election.
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Reply #23 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 12:08pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 11:32am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:33am:
issuevoter wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 6:56pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:04am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:55am:
The EU is destined to crash-and-burn like the worst train-wreck in history, and then out of this conflagration will rise phoenix-like a return to national sovereignties and border controls, and the Left of the polity will have seen the last of its halcyon years.





Sounds like a plan, Herbie.

Blood and fire. It'll be WWII all over again, no?


When freely available energy via petroleum vanishes to a trickle, that will become the new reality....


That reads as a metaphor for a distant time. I don't see petroleum running out this century. The reserves are massive, and exploration keeps finding more. Nor do I see the EU crashing in the foreseeable future. It will have problems but welfare will keep deluded humanists like Merkle in power. Remember, anyone who wants to defend their way of life, and their borders, is a Nazi.


German manufacturing is keeping the Christian Democrat Merkel going, Issue. It's the economy. The US could look no further than Germany and the EU to see how things work in a healthy, low-emissions manufacturing economy with high terms of trade.

Germany exports more than it imports. It does so as a member of the world's biggest trading block.

I'm hardly a Merkel fan, but these are just the facts. All the things you deride Germany and Europe for are the things that have made them great again.


Wrong. German voters keep deluded humanists like Merkle in power, and the biggest issue in recent times for them was mass immigration sanctioned by Merkle.


German voters cited the economy as the reason for returning Angela Merkel to power. When I was in Germany just prior to the election, voters told me they felt it was time for a change of leadership, but they didn't want to stuff things up. The election results show this.

So I'm curious, Issue. Which polling are you going on? How do you know immigration is the biggest political issue in Germany? And if it is, why has Merkel been returned to power?

Feel free to cite from polling data and your research into the German political process in your response.
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She should just send the German army into Poland.
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Reply #25 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 5:31pm
 
hatman92 wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 2:18pm:
She should just send the German army into Poland.


Yes, Hatty, but I think you'll find that Bogie and Herbie are saying Poland should send its army into Germany.

They're hungry for a war, you know. Anything will do.
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German business leaders turn against Angela Merkel

Germany's chancellor, three months after an election that still leaves her no good coalition options, is losing the confidence of business leaders. They decry an autocratic style and dearth of big ideas or reforms.


Berlin’s grand coalition is looking tired and German business is getting tired of it. Seeking her fourth term in office, Chancellor Angela Merkel ran a listless campaign earlier this year and nearly three months after the election still has no government. For weeks, business leaders wrestled with the possible ramifications of a coalition of Ms. Merkel’s conservative alliance with the pro-market Free Democrats and the environmentalist Greens party – only to see those talks collapse.

As the chancellor now pursues what was always her preferred alternative of a new alliance with the Social Democrats, these businessmen are growing restive and letting it be known that things can’t go on the way they have been. “Where is the leadership regarding a modernization of Germany?” asks Martin Herrenknecht, head of the eponymous machinery firm, a global leader in heavy tunnel-boring machines. “Where is a pioneering program for our future in 2035? It’s incomprehensible how Angela Merkel as chancellor can remain mute and passive on two such decisive issues.”

Twelve years is a long time for a democratically elected leader to hold power, and it’s starting to look like Ms. Merkel is running out of steam. Even Britain’s “iron lady,” Margaret Thatcher, was able to hold onto power for only 11 years. France altered its constitution to trim the president’s term to five years after François Mitterrand’s two terms of seven years proved at least four years too long. Former Chancellor Helmut Kohl held on for 16 years under the extraordinary circumstances of the collapse of Communism and the reunification of Germany, and ultimately a campaign financing scandal tarnished his reputation.

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Reply #27 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:58am
 
A new survey shows that Germans are losing patience with Frau Merkel, after she has failed to form a new government three months after the national election.


The poll, conducted by YouGov for the German Press Agency, shows that 47 percent of respondents want Angela Merkel to step down from her office as German Chancellor before the next national election, scheduled to take place in 2021.

Meanwhile only 36 percent said that, if Merkel is eventually re-elected as Chancellor, that she should stay in office for the full four years.

The results of the poll show a marked drop in public support for the Chancellor over a period of three months. In the weeks after the national election on September 24th, just 36 percent of respondents said that they wanted Merkel to stand down early, with 44 percent expressing the desire to see her complete the full four years.

Over three months after the election, it still remains unclear whether Merkel will manage to build a new government. Talks with the Green party and the Free Democrats collapsed in November, pushing the country into unchartered constitutional waters.

In January, Merkel's Christian Union will enter preliminary talks with the wary Social Democrats (SPD) on extending a “grand coalition” between the two parties. The SPD originally ruled out joining another government after scoring one of their worst ever election results, but they were forced to reconsider to save the country from the prospect of re-running the elections.

Angela Merkel is one of the longest-serving Chancellors in German history, having taken up office in 2005.

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Reply #28 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 4:23pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:58am:
44 percent expressing the desire to see her complete the full four years.


About 6% more than Donald Trump - after 12 years in power.

Not bad.
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Reply #29 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 6:33am
 
After a year in office Trump & Obama (to December) had the same approval ratings - 46/47 depending which day you take.
The difference is Obama plummeted, Trump rose.

After 4 years in office Trump will leave America and the western world in a hugely better place than he found it. Merkel will be reviled for what she has done to her country.
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Reply #30 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 9:31am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 6:33am:
After a year in office Trump & Obama (to December) had the same approval ratings - 46/47 depending which day you take.
The difference is Obama plummeted, Trump rose.

After 4 years in office Trump will leave America and the western world in a hugely better place than he found it. Merkel will be reviled for what she has done to her country.


That's not true, dear, and you know it. Trump has unprecedented unpopularity - the lowest of any post-war president, including Nixon during Watergate.

To date, and with each new scandal, Trump's unpopularity has dropped, as every schoolboy knows.

Merkel, by contrast, has lowered after years in office. The "it's time" factor has weighed in in Germany. People are tired of Merkel, but by no means unhappy with her. Germany's economic prosperity is surpassing the post-war years. While Germans want new leadership, they're reluctant to see things change.

In the US, it's the opposite.
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Warning: Muslim lying to infidel again!

Much has been made about President Donald Trump’s relatively low approval ratings, but Trump has ended his first year in office on par with his predecessor Barack Obama.

A Rasmussen poll released on Thursday put Trump at a 46 percent approval rating and a 53 percent disapproval rating.
On the same date at the end of Obama’s first year in office — December 28, 2009 — Obama was sitting at a 47 percent approval rate and a 52 percent disapproval rate. Just one day later, on December 29, Obama’s approval rating dropped to 46 percent.




Tracking approval ratings from their inaugurations, Obama had a much longer way to fall to get to his end-of-year approval rating.

On his inauguration day, January 20, 2009, Obama enjoyed 67 percent approval and just 32 percent disapproval. Meanwhile, Rasmussen marked Trump with 56 percent approval and 44 percent disapproval when he was sworn into office on January 20, 2017.

Presidential approval ratings are generally high during inaugurations, and Trump only topped his on January 26, 2017, when he hit 59 percent approval. Obama was never able to beat his inauguration approval rating during the first year of his presidency.

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Reply #32 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 10:14am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 10:01am:
Warning: Muslim lying to infidel again!

Much has been made about President Donald Trump’s relatively low approval ratings, but Trump has ended his first year in office on par with his predecessor Barack Obama.

A Rasmussen poll released on Thursday put Trump at a 46 percent approval rating and a 53 percent disapproval rating.
On the same date at the end of Obama’s first year in office — December 28, 2009 — Obama was sitting at a 47 percent approval rate and a 52 percent disapproval rate. Just one day later, on December 29, Obama’s approval rating dropped to 46 percent.




Tracking approval ratings from their inaugurations, Obama had a much longer way to fall to get to his end-of-year approval rating.

On his inauguration day, January 20, 2009, Obama enjoyed 67 percent approval and just 32 percent disapproval. Meanwhile, Rasmussen marked Trump with 56 percent approval and 44 percent disapproval when he was sworn into office on January 20, 2017.

Presidential approval ratings are generally high during inaugurations, and Trump only topped his on January 26, 2017, when he hit 59 percent approval. Obama was never able to beat his inauguration approval rating during the first year of his presidency.

Cheesyaily Caller


Good point, Bogie, but that's just Rasmussen. Total polls put Trump at 37.7.

This is a rise, which proves my statement that Trump's polls have consistently dropped incorrect.
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If you could just try a little harder to be more.consistent with the logic of your language before hopefully you are deported back to your cesspit.
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bogarde73 wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 11:11am:
If you could just try a little harder to be more.consistent with the logic of your language before hopefully you are deported back to your cesspit.


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