Over the last few days, I have been rethinking same-sex marriage. Not to say that I have shifted my position completely, but there are some convincing arguments that have got me thinking about the other position.

My reasoning is this, and this may sound a little crazy, but here we go.

My view is that left's ultimate end, and I think we'll see this in about 10 to 20 years, is the notion that there is something fundamentally wrong with humans biologically - that we are limited by our biology. Therefore, the only solution to this problem is to fundamentally alter our biology in a way that no longer makes us 'primates'. This is known as transhumanism or post-humanism, and has been spoken about before - i.e. the term isn't new, and mainly is used in science fiction genres. Of course, we're still a long way from this; but I can see the Left arguing for this all the same. At some point, the push back from conservatives and moderates will be such that the Left will have to concede that there are biological foundations to human behaviour.

Gender as a social construct is something which the lefts fully propagates - that gender has no basis in biology at all.

Now, what does this have to do with SSM?

SSM is the ANOTHER step toward this end. Sure, in of itself SSM has no bearing on this; but hardcore progressives won't stop or leave it there, will they? The idea of gender fluidity is, in my view, not conducive to a productive society. I have no issue with transgender people; if a person wishes to transition to another gender, this is fine. The issue that I struggle with is the idea THAT GENDER DOES EXIST - that there are 70 odd different genders. In my view, you are either male or female, whether transitioned or not. That's it.

First of all, I'd like to state that I don't believe that homosexuality is unnatural or that sodomy is a sin or is unnatural. I believe that all 'sex for pleasure' is unnatural since the ultimate purpose of sex is to produce children. If you view sodomy as a sin, then you must equally concede that 'heterosexual activity solely for pleasure' is also a sin, and this is reflected in the Christian tradition.

Second, I strongly believe that children benefit from having a MOTHER AND A FATHER. Milk from the breast directly is known to be more healthy than milk from the bottle. All children should have the benefit of having a mother and a father.
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I would like to hear opinions from both sides. If you're AnotherJourneyByTrain or someone like him who believes that all homosexual people are pedophiles, then stay away from this chat. I want considered and reasoned opinions, please.

There are two questions I would like answered from both the Left and Right:

First for the Left: can you guarantee that SSM won't lead to an acceleration of gender fluidity in society?

For the right: can you guarantee that we can have a society that treats homosexuals as human beings with equal rights and equal respect without having SSM?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 10:51am:


I am aware of the argument and the fallacy.

I'm not concerned that SSM will lead to polygamy or bestiality or some rubbish like that. For me, it's about the gender issue. Some on the Left are arguing that gender is solely a social construct and that biology plays no role.

Second, in countries that have adopted SSM there have moves toward 'gender fluidity', so maybe the 'fallacy' does come true.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 11:49am:


A car?

issuevoter wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:


You may reject that notion, but science disproves you. Homosexuality has been around since ancient times.

issuevoter wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:


I strongly disagree with this statement, and condemn your attitude. Sure, they are a minority, but there's nothing neurotic about them. Same-sex attraction has been part of human societies for thousands of years. They are normal.

issuevoter wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:


Children should be taught by their parents, primarily, to respect their fellow human being and judge people based on them as an individual. Regarding education, every child should be taught that every person, irrespective of race, gender, or creed is to be protected equally by law.

issuevoter wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:


What as opposed to the pedophilia of an American senator recently? Or the child pornography of that Victorian MP's husband? Come on! There are pedophiles and deviants in all sexualities. Don't let your prejudice blind your reason.

Grendel wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 1:56pm:


Never too late, Superman.

Grendel wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 1:56pm:


I didn't ignore them. I considered them, and believed that they were wrong.

Grendel wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 1:56pm:


Wrong. That's what YOU believe it's about. I've read the Catholic churches viewpoint on 'marriage' and I'm more convinced by their arguments than your bullshit arguments about 'sexual deviancy' - W(e)TF that means...   

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 4:15pm:


There'll be more couples who will be in committed relationships now too. You take the negative and the positive.

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 6:27pm:


Homosexuality is completely normal. It's been a part of human nature for thousands of years.

According to the Catholic church, marriage is about the raising of children, and marriage is designed to ensure the proper nurture of children. That is a better argument that the bullshit you and G are throwing up.

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 8:04pm:


Are you normal, Sore End?

I'm curious.