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Dec 8th, 2017 at 7:55pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 3:40pm:
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   Tsk, tsk, I am always surprised at the gross ignorance displayed by Islamophobes all the time.   Democracy is practised in many Islamic nations, including Iran (in, I admit a modified form but no more than in the USA).   Most Mosques are organised democratically.    I wonder where the Islamophobes get this idea that Islam does not accept democracy?   I really do wonder.   Gee, could it be from the Muslim extremists who don't like the idea that they have to win an election?   Nah, of course not...   Roll Eyes


Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 4:43pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, see what I said where the Islamophobes get this idea that democracy is incompatible with Islam?   From the Extremists.   What a shame that the modern world has by and large, moved on from the days of the Caliphate.  Only it's supporters claim it is how Islam should be organised.  What does that make you, Soren?   Back to the Madrassah with you, my boy.  I'm sure there is some more K'ran for you to rote learn.     Roll Eyes


This reminds me of Abu explaining that Islam is entirely compatible with democracy, but just has a slightly different take on it - only Muslims can vote, only Muslims can run for office, and Shariah law is the only platform you can run on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Iran

The politics of Iran take place in a framework of a theocracy in a format of syncretic politics that is guided by Islamic ideology.

In addition, there are representatives elected from appointed organizations (usually under the Supreme Leader's control) to "protect the state's Islamic character".[1]

The Guardian Council is an appointed and constitutionally mandated 12-member council with considerable power. It approves or vetoes legislative bills from the Islamic Consultative Assembly (the Iranian Parliament), and approves or forbids candidates seeking office to the Assembly of Experts, the Presidency and the parliament,[26] Six of the twelve members are Islamic faqihs (expert in Islamic Law) selected by the Supreme Leader of Iran, and the other six are jurists nominated by the Head of the Judicial system (who is also appointed by the Supreme Leader),[27], and approved by the Iranian Parliament.[28]

According to the constitution, the Guardian Council oversees and approves electoral candidates for most national elections in Iran. The Guardian Council has 12 members, six clerics, appointed by the Supreme Leader and six jurists, elected by the Majlis from among the Muslim jurists nominated by the Head of the Judicial System, who is appointed by the Supreme Leader. According to the current law, the Guardian Council approves the Assembly of Experts candidates, who in turn supervise and elect the Supreme Leader.
The reformists say this system creates a closed circle of power.[86] Iranian reformists, such as Mohammad-Ali Abtahi have considered this to be the core legal obstacle for the reform movement in Iran.


How exactly is that 'no more modified' version of democracy than in the US? Does the US president appoint a council to appoint candidates for president?
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Reply #1 - Dec 9th, 2017 at 7:29pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 7:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 3:40pm:
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   Tsk, tsk, I am always surprised at the gross ignorance displayed by Islamophobes all the time.   Democracy is practised in many Islamic nations, including Iran (in, I admit a modified form but no more than in the USA).   Most Mosques are organised democratically.    I wonder where the Islamophobes get this idea that Islam does not accept democracy?   I really do wonder.   Gee, could it be from the Muslim extremists who don't like the idea that they have to win an election?   Nah, of course not...   Roll Eyes


Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 4:43pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, see what I said where the Islamophobes get this idea that democracy is incompatible with Islam?   From the Extremists.   What a shame that the modern world has by and large, moved on from the days of the Caliphate.  Only it's supporters claim it is how Islam should be organised.  What does that make you, Soren?   Back to the Madrassah with you, my boy.  I'm sure there is some more K'ran for you to rote learn.     Roll Eyes


This reminds me of Abu explaining that Islam is entirely compatible with democracy, but just has a slightly different take on it - only Muslims can vote, only Muslims can run for office, and Shariah law is the only platform you can run on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Iran

The politics of Iran take place in a framework of a theocracy in a format of syncretic politics that is guided by Islamic ideology.

In addition, there are representatives elected from appointed organizations (usually under the Supreme Leader's control) to "protect the state's Islamic character".[1]

The Guardian Council is an appointed and constitutionally mandated 12-member council with considerable power. It approves or vetoes legislative bills from the Islamic Consultative Assembly (the Iranian Parliament), and approves or forbids candidates seeking office to the Assembly of Experts, the Presidency and the parliament,[26] Six of the twelve members are Islamic faqihs (expert in Islamic Law) selected by the Supreme Leader of Iran, and the other six are jurists nominated by the Head of the Judicial system (who is also appointed by the Supreme Leader),[27], and approved by the Iranian Parliament.[28]

According to the constitution, the Guardian Council oversees and approves electoral candidates for most national elections in Iran. The Guardian Council has 12 members, six clerics, appointed by the Supreme Leader and six jurists, elected by the Majlis from among the Muslim jurists nominated by the Head of the Judicial System, who is appointed by the Supreme Leader. According to the current law, the Guardian Council approves the Assembly of Experts candidates, who in turn supervise and elect the Supreme Leader.
The reformists say this system creates a closed circle of power.[86] Iranian reformists, such as Mohammad-Ali Abtahi have considered this to be the core legal obstacle for the reform movement in Iran.


How exactly is that 'no more modified' version of democracy than in the US? Does the US president appoint a council to appoint candidates for president?


Well, Mr Trump has appointed experts himself, FD. They might be his sons, daughter and son-in-law,  but they know thing or two about life. Mr Trump's also the Supreme Leader, so there are similarities.

But I'm curious. You identified the Afghani and Iraqi governments as successful democracies because they hold erections. Iran has erections too. Ipso facto, it must be a 'no more modified' version of democracy than the US as Abu says, yes?

We're more alike than we're different, no?
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Reply #2 - Dec 9th, 2017 at 9:53pm
 
Iranian democra...  Grin Grin  Grin
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Reply #3 - Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:05pm
 
I hold more hope for Persians over the sunnis arab nut jobs

The Persians at least into art and music and I think it will be that which leads them out of the darkness of islam.
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Reply #4 - Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:26pm
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:05pm:
I hold more hope for Persians over the sunnis arab nut jobs

The Persians at least into art and music and I think it will be that which leads them out of the darkness of islam.


You know, that's an interesting comment, Gordon.  Unusually so for you.   You realise that 20 years ago, people like you and Soren, and FD and Herbie and everybody else was saying exactly the reverse?   "Better the Sunnis than those nutjob Sh'ia!"   Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:29pm
 
nobody knew who the sunni and shia were before 9/11.
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Reply #6 - Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:38pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:29pm:
nobody knew who the sunni and shia were before 9/11.


Of course they did, Hammer.  You're forgetting, the Iranian Revolution occurred in 1978.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #7 - Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:54pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:38pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:29pm:
nobody knew who the sunni and shia were before 9/11.


Of course they did, Hammer.  You're forgetting, the Iranian Revolution occurred in 1978.    Roll Eyes
Nobody cared about the Iranian revolution in 78 brian.
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Reply #8 - Dec 9th, 2017 at 11:35pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:29pm:
nobody knew who the sunni and shia were before 9/11.


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Reply #9 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 12:21am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:38pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:29pm:
nobody knew who the sunni and shia were before 9/11.


Of course they did, Hammer.  You're forgetting, the Iranian Revolution occurred in 1978.    Roll Eyes
Nobody cared about the Iranian revolution in 78 brian.


Everybody cared about it. Hammer.  History trumps you again.  Washington was selling high-tech weapons to the Shah's regime.   Iraq planned to invade Iran.   Saudi Arabia was frightened of Iranian aggression over the Haj.  Israel was frightened of the possibility of Iranian aggression.   The Russians feared the possibility of the spread of Iranian extremism to Central Asia, which in turn prompted their decision to invade Afghanistan.   Pakistan worried about the dangers of Iranian aggression.    It all came together because of the Iranian Revolution.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #10 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 10:39am
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:05pm:
I hold more hope for Persians over the sunnis arab nut jobs

The Persians at least into art and music and I think it will be that which leads them out of the darkness of islam.


You can say what you like about the Shah, but Persians had a lot more freedom under his regime than the do under the witch-doctors of Islam. Oh, and notice who is defending them again? Our resident closet Muzlims.
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Reply #11 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:33am
 
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Democracy is practised in many Islamic nations, including Iran (in, I admit a modified form but no more than in the USA).


Can you explain what you mean by this Brian?
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freediver wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:33am:
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Democracy is practised in many Islamic nations, including Iran (in, I admit a modified form but no more than in the USA).


Can you explain what you mean by this Brian?


Do you want to have a stab at Iraq being the next South Korea?

A tricky claim to defend, I know.

You could always ask Brian more questions, I guess.
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Any muslim nation and true democracy is as oxymoronic as army intelligence.


You can't be a democracy if you are already a theocracy and usually a pretty fkken vicious one at that.


To be a true democracy you have to destroy religion to the point of irrelevancy, where no religious leader is taken seriously and no leader takes religion seriously.


So no gold logie winners over to the lodge for fkking ramadan is a good start

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Reply #14 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 12:58pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:33am:
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Democracy is practised in many Islamic nations, including Iran (in, I admit a modified form but no more than in the USA).


Can you explain what you mean by this Brian?


Democracy depends upon the citizenry voting.  This occurs in both the US and Iran.   Both use a modified outcome to determine who won the election.   Therefore, both use modified democracy, FD.    Roll Eyes
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