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Acts of violence everywhere.

The Religion of Peace.

It really is time for the West to quietly move these people back to the Middle East before things get worse.

Milo just compared the Holy Works of Islam to Hitler's Mein Kampf ... and here we see a Muslim in Amsterdam (Anne Frank) doing a 'Kristallnacht' on a Jewish shop.

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History repeating itself because the luvvies let the West's enemies in through the national gates to colonise the suburbs and become an alien force that religiously hates our guts.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 2:30pm:


Kill them. Deport the families.

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:


You're supposed to say:

"And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they've turned you out...."

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 2:35pm:


It's always America's fault when Muslims turn to violence.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:16pm:


It's Trump's fault this Muslim guy picked up a piece of wood and started smashing the windows of Jewish restaurants.

Thanks Trump.

Justsayno wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:39pm:


Oops! I'll see what I can do.

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"Allahu Akbar!"

Europe needs to bring back the SS for a couple of years to clean things up, but not the Jews this time.

A no-nonsense approach to the Muslim invasion of the West needs to be implemented by the sort of military units that are trained to flush out society's enemies from their hiding places and bolt-holes.

Sturdy lads like these .....

Auggie wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:42pm:


"... But if they ask for sanctuary, give it unto them."

Yes yes, I know.

issuevoter wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:41pm:


We need to sort them out one by one. In Britain they know there are 35,000 Muslims who are a risk to public safety ~ and so WHY are these 35,000 not being interned for gradual deportation back to their parent's country of origin?

No guts, no backbone, no balls have the politicians there. It's all Cultural Marxism that is their Instruction Book ~ no one must be offended or thought less worthy than the best of us. Ignore any elephants that might be in the room.

I see the name 'Karnal' and then don't read the post.

I find Smart alecs to be conceited bores with their hand on their pricks most of the time.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 9:32am:


Errr, could it be, Herbie 'cause they are UK citizens?  Nah, of course not, ethnicity/religion always trumps citizenship in your mind, doesn't it?   Looking forward to your trip home to China then?  'cause in the fullness of time, it will be your turn, as you're Chinese by birth, now aren't you, Herbie?   Tsk, tsk.   

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Says the person who has never come an Australian citizen, likes to dictate to Australian society how it should live and doesn't recognise his real allegiance to China, hey, Herbie?  Tsk, tsk, such a silly sausage.  How is your Metropolitan Police Pension going, by the way?   Afterall, you once claimed you were a Detective Inspector in London at the age of 19, now didn't you?    

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:



So, when are you going home to the PRC, Herbie?  Well?   

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:


Here we all were thinking it was the Labour Party vote, but that's just we.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 3:21pm:


Naughty naughty, Herbie's already lodged a number of complaints for homersexual vilification.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:54pm:





No wonder I feel persecuted!

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:


Peaceful protest, init?

Now let's see if I've got this right, the white man went to certain lands and took over from the indigenous people, the white man was wrong and should make amendments today for past wrongs.

There is absolutely no doubt that Jerusalem always had and always will have overriding spiritual and physical values and purposes in Jewish culture and religion.

The Jews were removed by superior forces, they came back in 1948 and 1967 to reclaim what was archeologically, spiritually and physically theirs.

But now the leftards have changed their minds, the wrong that was done to the Jews in the past should not be rectified?

moses wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 1:25pm:


Ah, so the period that the Jews were (largely but not completely) absent from Palestine, from the time of the start of the Diaspora (~132 CE) to it's end in 1948  CE, are meaningless in the annals of Archaeology, Historiography, Religious/Cultural matters?   My, what a nice view you have of such things..  I wonder, Moses, when you are you going to recognise the claims of Indigenous Australians to Australia?  Afterall, the White colonists have only been here for what, just over 200 years?   

cods wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:


It is an interesting question, Cods and one I have considered myself fairly often.  However, both sides claim Jerusalem as their capital and neither will budge.   Tom Clancy had the idea that the Vatican and the Swiss Guard take over security in the city in one of his novels and neither side got it as their capital.   An interesting idea but it assumes that the Vatican is seen as a neutral player in this by both sides and I doubt that they would relinquish their claims to the city.   I once proposed to the newsgroup talk. politics.mideast that instead, the United Nations take it over and furnish a police force for security and law enforcement, as they had in Cyprus.   It gained a lot of comments and support from both sides.   People here are too polarised to discuss such matters seriously, unfortunately.   

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 5:00pm:

Palestine was created in 1988 you efin person of no repute

The Jews predate the muslims by thousands of years in Jerusalem.

Why not grant them title to what is historically archeologically spiritually and physically theirs.

The Christian claim is an upshot of Judaism, without the Jews Christianity would never have come into existence.

Without the Jews and Christians islam would never have appeared.

Why is everybody having such a problem with what happened in theses parts thousands of years ago, and is still very much part of today?

The Jews were first, Christianity and islam owe their existence to Judaism, what is wrong with simply telling it as it is?

Oh well leftards and muslims will never agree with the truth so we'll see how it all pans out.


   

To the Jews:
Jerusalem has always been significant as the place of the Holy of Holies, the most sacred site in Judaism.

For Christians:
Jerusalem has always been significant to Christians because of the places there where Jesus ministered and,  where he died and rose again. Jerusalem is the birth place of Christian world.

muslims believe:
It was here that mohammed tied his flying donkey the Al-Buraq, during his alleged night time journey from Mecca to Jerusalem.


Me I'll go with the Jews and Christians as having a more logical claim than muslims and their flying donkey.

I also admit that without Judaism the other two would not exist.

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 12:28pm:


~1816 years of significance, Freediver.   

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 4:33pm:


Nope.  You?   Afterall, you seem to know what the Terrorists are thinking...   

Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians?

Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?   

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Er... somebody declared war on Israel in 1948, just as it was declared. And then the same people started a few more wars. 

Still Israel has 17.6% Muslim population. Muslims are in the Army, parliament, universities, police.  Muslims are freer in Israel than in any of the surrounding Arab countries.


How many peace agreements have the Pallos walked away from? How many opportunities did they let pass just so they can continue to thrive for a Judenrein Middle East, cleansed of Jews like all the other Arab countries?  But they never walk away from a opportunity to go completely apesh!t and violent.

And Jerusalem IS the capital of Israel, that's where its parliament is, that's where its main government offices are.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 5:14pm:


In the past, yes, they did.  The Israelis defeated them.   However, today, it seems the Israelis are intent on ethnically cleansing Eretz Israel (Greater Israel) or Palestine as it's known.   The Arabs have learnt their lessons, they have recognised Israel, signed peace treaties with them.  However that doesn't appear to be sufficient for the Zionists.  They want all of Palestine.  They don't want the Palestinians.   Tsk, tsk.   

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 7:57pm:

Learnt their lessons? The only lesson the Arabs  learnt was they couldn't wipe out the jews. If everybody is hostile around you Brian there's no other choice but to separate hey? When the Jews had open borders they were getting the crap bombed out of them. Why would they ask for that again?

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 6:13pm:


Jerusalem is also the capital of Palestine, Soren.

Israel has a minority who are Muslim.  Some are Palestinians in origin.   Moshe Dayan back in the late 1960s wrote a very interesting article about the differences between the Israeli attitude towards the Palestinians and the US attitude towards the South Vietnamese.   He felt the biggest failing of the Israelis was their failure to create a true multi-religious, multi-ethnic, multicultural state.   They failed to conscript the Muslims within Israel to make them a part of Israeli society and instead chose to make Israel an exclusively Jewish state, where only Jews had the full rights and responsibilities of citizenship.   This he felt set the Palestinians always against the Jews and the Jews always against the Palestinians.    The US OTOH conscripted the South Vietnamese, they set up a proper Vietnamese state (well in name only, really) and they had the Vietnamese fighting for their own freedom.

There are bugger all Muslims serving in the Israeli Defence Forces, Soren.   Only one group is conscripted.  Today, the Jews are having problems even getting Jews to serve their conscription.  Ultra-Orthodox Seminary Students are traditional saved from serving in the IDF.   Today, the numbers of such students have sky-rocketed.   There were riots the other week when Israeli police turned up to grab those they didn't consider genuine Seminary Students.   

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:


The area was named by the romans. you understand the term 'named' the people who live there now are not arabs they are cross breeds of turks and egyptians.

By your God you are thick.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:02pm:


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, Hammer.  Yes, they have learnt their lessons.   However, the only difference between the Palestinian bombs and the Israeli bombs is how they are guided to their target.  Innocent civilians ended up dead on both sides.

The Israelis have never had "open borders" as far as their Immigration policies go.  They only accept Jews for migration.  No Palestinians, no Muslims, no Christians.  No one except Jews is allowed to migrate to Israel and become a citizen.   Every Jew has an automatic right of return to Israel.  Palestinians?  No chance.   

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:45pm:

Maybe that's the problem? Two sets of people who don't accept others?

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:23pm:


Yes.  138 Nations recognise Palestine as a nation. Soren.  My goodness, your Islamophobia really does blind you to so much, doesn't it?   

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:


Funny, they seem to live relatively peacefully, side-by-side today.  What about the Palestinians who live in Israel?   They seem to get along with their Israeli neighbours reasonably well, Hammer.   Tsk, tsk, tripped up by reality again, hey?   

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:


Much better than you appear to assume.   

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:


Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country.

No side here is innocent, but we should not demonize Israel for providing a high standard of living to its peoples. No Muslim-majority country has ever had such a high standard of living like Israel.

Do you think that women in Palestine will have equal rights to men under the law? Do you think that Palestine will have strong institutions and have the 'rule of law'? I doubt it.

We need to criticize Muslim-majority countries for not stepping up their game and providing for their people. Israel has already done this.

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 12:25pm:



But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 2:44pm:


If anything, I consider this policy to be extremely thoughtful of the Israeli government. Why should Muslims be conscripted to face other Muslims? This may also pose a security threat for Israel.

Evidence that property rights of Israeli Muslims isn't respected??

Brian Ross  Reply #75 - Today at 2:48pm
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Judaism predates islam by thousands of years. Jerusalem contains the Holy of Holies, the most sacred site in Judaism.

To muslims muhammad tied his flying donkey up there.

We all know that the Jews have been dispersed numerous times, we all know the muslims hate the Jews and would slaughter ever single one of them if they had the chance. We all know islam is a religion which preaches hatred and death of Jews.

So the obvious logic is that the Jews are never going to just hand back their most sacred place to muslims, who have sworn to butcher every single one of them as a religious duty.

World events over millennia have attained to the present situation.

The Jews are back in full control of Jerusalem it is theirs.

They don't want world expansion as muslims do, they don't want world domination as muslims do.

The Jews would be  quiet happy simply contained in the old promised land borders.

The Jews are no threat to the globe, muslims are.

So I acknowledge Jewish historical archeological spiritual and physical claims to Jerusalem.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 4:17pm:

How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:


Jew Haters are nasty ignorant Nazis as well as being bigots with an IQ bordering on stupid.

From the Hamas charter (Hamas was elected in Gaza)

In all that, they fear Allah and raise the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors, so that they would rid the land and the people of their uncleanliness, vileness and evils.

Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.


There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with.

The day that enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. To do this requires the diffusion of Islamic consciousness among the masses, both on the regional, Arab and Islamic levels. It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters. [not just a thriving for inner peace, then, jihad, although that too].

The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders. It goes back to 1939, to the emergence of the martyr Izz al-Din al Kissam and his brethren the fighters, members of Moslem Brotherhood. It goes on to reach out and become one with another chain that includes the struggle of the Palestinians and Moslem Brotherhood in the 1948 war and the Jihad operations of the Moslem Brotherhood in 1968 and after.

Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem). 


They should back and support it, as Allah wants them to, extending to it more and more funds till Allah's purpose is achieved when ranks will close up, fighters join other fighters and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty while loudly proclaiming: Hail to Jihad. Their cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

And you would want to put down your weapons in the face of such an enemy????

Do they sound like they want a two state solution, accept the existence of Israel?  Of course not.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 4:43pm:



There are two, three, four, five sides to every story, Hammer.   However, the general story is that the Zionists created Israel on the basis of a lie.   They got the British/French/Americans/Russians/etc. to help create the modern state of Israel on the basis that Palestine was an empty land and had no people in it.   This completely ignored the existence of the Palestinians.   No consultation was undertaken, no effort to include the Palestinians in this new nation.

Now, we cannot turn the clock back.  Israel exists today.   However it also controls the Occupied Territories, which it invaded in 1967 and took over.   It is making a concerted effort, with the connivance of the Americans to engage in Ethnic Cleansing.   Now, if it wasn't OK for the Serbs to do that to the Croats and the Bosnians and the Slovenians, it is not OK to have the Israelis doing that to the Palestinians.   There are numerous other examples of Ethnic Cleansing, including the Turks against the Armenians which have raised the ire of the world.  Yet the world is silent about the plight of the Palestinians.   

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 6:53pm:



tsk tsk , you are kidding arent you.
the world never bloody shuts up about the plight of the palestinians

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 6:53pm:
So what do you want Brian?

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 8:26pm:


If I was you I'd say no, Brian.

Freeedom, innit.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...
One more time bwian.... 
one more time to expose your ignorance.

Really bwian.

Isn't it true there is no State of Palestine?
Isn't it true there are no real Palestinians?
Isn't it true that the BRITISH MANDATE FOR PALESTINE  was divided up?
Isn't it true that most of it is now Jordan an Arab nation?
Is this not a map of the Ottoman Empire before the war and the dividing up of the Empire?

issuevoter wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 7:18am:


Here's a good indication of why Jews have been successful

As of 2017, Nobel Prizes[note 1] have been awarded to 892 individuals,[1] of whom 201 or 22.5% were Jews,[note 2] although the total Jewish population comprises less than 0.2% of the world's population.[2] This means the percentage of Jewish Nobel laureates is at least 112.5 times or 11250% above average

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 8:49pm:


Why do you say I'm from Pakistan, dear boy?

I'm curious.

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 8:26pm:


Not sure what you mean, FD.  I am holding Israel to the standard I hold all nations to - that of decency.  They can conscript who they like but in failing to conscript the Palestinians, the Israelis, according to Moshe Dayan - their most senior  General - made a grave mistake.   A mistake they are now paying for.   

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Palestinians to be accorded the automatic Right of Return to either state as would be Jews as well.You do know that Israel would start getting terrorist attacks again Brian?

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 4:28pm:

you do it to me babe.