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Milo and promoters billed for police protection
Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:18am

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Milo Yiannopoulos and his promoters will be billed at least $50k by Victoria Police for protests

Right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos and his promoters will be slapped with a bill of at least $50,000 to cover the cost of the police numbers required to handle violent protests outside his shows in Melbourne.

Hundreds of left and right-wing protesters gathered in front of the Melbourne Pavilion on Racecourse Road and Stubbs Street, Kensington on Monday night where they faced off and fought with sticks.

Riot police stormed the protest and used pepper spray to subdue the crowd, which included members of left-wing group Campaign Against Racism and Fascism and right-wing groups Reclaim Australia and The Freedom Party.

Police and protesters also clashed at Mr Yiannopoulos' events in Sydney on Tuesday night, resulting in charges against several protesters. The event was heavily guarded with mounted police, officers on bicycles, riot squad, marine police and police vans barricading the event after several arrests were made at his Melbourne show.

Victorian Police Minister Lisa Neville told radio station 3AW on Wednesday that up to 300 police were called in to separate the protesters.
She said those behind the event would be footing the bill for police resources.

"They'll certainly be getting a bill," Ms Neville said. "There were a lot of resources put in and I've had a lot of interesting tweets sent to me saying 'what a waste of police resources', but unfortunately in that situation, we've got two groups who pretty much set out to cause the harm that they did... try and cause violence and try and get on the TV so police are there to try and protect the general public."

Ms Neville said the cost would be at least $50,000 and added it was common practice for organisers of large-scale or controversial events to be billed if large numbers of police resources were required.

Ms Neville said police were in the process of working out the exact costs.
She was unaware if Mr Yiannopoulos had agreed to pay the costs, but she hoped he would.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/milo-yiannopoulos-and-his-promoters-will-be-bi...

The increase of Police Presence was a direct result of the Far Left protesters. Not the organizers of the Event.

All cost should fall on protest event co-ordinators and anyone arrested for disruption that resulted in the need for police presence.

Free Speech isn't Free if you are required to pay to keep yourself safe whilst doing it. The people that call themselves Anti-Fascists are actually engaging in incredibly Fascist behaviour.

The protest organisers speak regularly on the radio, news... Etc. They should pay that bill. For example Tess Dimos from Campaign against racism and fascism was on the news last Tuesday, the police should find her and send the invoice to her.

There would be no need for police to attend these events if the violent far left allowed free speech in this country.

It seems clear that the protesters involved in this case, namely antifa and associated far-left groups, protest political events like Mr Yiannopoulos' speech with the intent of shutting them down through sheer inconvenience, financial or otherwise.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Milo and promoters billed for police protection Reply #1 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:21am Hahaha, ohhh so thats why he was charging a minimum of 90 to see him speak.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131562 Gender:	Re: Milo and promoters billed for police protection Reply #2 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:29am Violent right-wing protesters, making it bad for everyone
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 80333 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Milo and promoters billed for police protection Reply #3 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:45am Ah - so they're treating the whole thing as a performance - like the NRL or the AFL.....
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131562 Gender:	Re: Milo and promoters billed for police protection Reply #4 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:51am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:45am: Ah - so they're treating the whole thing as a performance - like the NRL or the AFL..... Yes, except not quite as gay as football. Milo is an entertainer - that's all. An attention whore who's found a way to make some easy money.
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Reply #5 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:04am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:51am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:45am:

Ah - so they're treating the whole thing as a performance - like the NRL or the AFL.....

Yes, except not quite as gay as football.

Milo is an entertainer - that's all.

An attention whore who's found a way to make some easy money.

The Liberace of politics....

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19629 Perth Gender:	Re: Milo and promoters billed for police protection Reply #6 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!
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Reply #8 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:26am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Yeah - get your own Blackshirts!! No problem-o........

Usually you're pretty on the money, Phil - this is not one of those occasions....

We need to consider if these moves by governments to force payment for police activity will one day lead us to Blackshirts etc.... and REAL fighting in the streets......

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Reply #9 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:31am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

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So those who want to exercise free speech to whinge about our government, Trump, Israel or those in favour of Poofter marriages should be the ones paying for the police if people turn up to oppose their idiocy?

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Reply #10 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:42am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:51am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:45am:

Ah - so they're treating the whole thing as a performance - like the NRL or the AFL.....

Yes, except not quite as gay as football.

Milo is an entertainer - that's all.

An attention whore who's found a way to make some easy money.

The Liberace of politics....

Pretty much.

I wish his brother George was there.

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Reply #11 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

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Reply #12 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

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Reply #13 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 3:59pm

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

Hitler had the Brown Shirts, FD. Are you in favour of allowing racist militias to pass their duties onto the Victorian police?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

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Reply #15 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 6:37pm

Justsayno wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 4:17pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 3:59pm:

Hitler had the Brown Shirts,

Yes, and we can observe from your your recent posts how much you admire them.

Well, they built the autobahn. They created the Volkswagen. They created a market for Cyclon B.

Do you have a problem with that?

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 40675 Gender:	Re: Milo and promoters billed for police protection Reply #16 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 6:38pm Go Milo. I want my kids to hear him. This is what intelligent disagreement and discussion looks like, feral, shouty progs
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Mattyfisk Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 92409 Gender:	Re: Milo and promoters billed for police protection Reply #17 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:05pm Frank wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 6:38pm: Go Milo. I want my kids to hear him. This is what intelligent disagreement and discussion looks like, feral, shouty progs Have they read the Art of the Deal? Compelling reading, old boy.
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Reply #18 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

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Reply #19 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:27pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 3:59pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

Hitler had the Brown Shirts, FD. Are you in favour of allowing racist militias to pass their duties onto the Victorian police?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

FD?

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Reply #21 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:29pm

Clearly, these protests were coordinated, so why not ask the leftist leaders to foot the bill?

In all fairness, that's why we pay taxes, in order to fund things like this. If people are required to foot the bill for security as a result of legal protest (which is a right), then it will only disincentivize protest.

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Reply #22 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:34pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:29pm:

Can we charge all Muslims for the incredible cost we spend on anti terror security?

Damn good point.

Border protection.
Anti-terrorist activities.
The incarceration of terrorists and street crime Muslims.
Millions spent on translating every government brochure into Arabic and other languages.
The cost of deportations.

The bill must run to a couple of billions each year.

Whatever our entire Muslim community is paying in taxes each year, it's not nearly enough to cover the cost of maintaining some control over their worst elements.

Muslim immigration has been a dead loss to this country, and yet namby-pamby soft-dick liberals like Turnbull is still bringing them in on the yearly quota.

Having an ignorant fool like this at the helm of this country is just sheer madness.

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 92409 Gender:	Re: Milo and promoters billed for police protection Reply #23 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:39pm FD, where are you? Do you think the Australian taxpayer should pay for wacist pwopaganda? Or should Milo employ Herbie's Nazi Dad's Army as security? Please explain.
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Mattyfisk Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 92409 Gender:	Re: Milo and promoters billed for police protection Reply #24 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:41pm Gordon wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:29pm: Can we charge all Muslims for the incredible cost we spend on anti terror security? What religion is Milo, Gordon? I'm curious. I don't think FD wants to say.
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Reply #25 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:42pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:39pm:

FD, where are you? Do you think the Australian taxpayer should pay for wacist pwopaganda? Or should Milo employ Herbie's Nazi Dad's Army as security?

Please explain.

Who paid for the police to control this little emotional outpouring from the religion of peace?

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Reply #26 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:45pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:39pm:

FD, where are you? Do you think the Australian taxpayer should pay for wacist pwopaganda? Or should Milo employ Herbie's Nazi Dad's Army as security?

Please explain.

Who paid for the police to control this little emotional outpouring from the religion of peace?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Islamic_Protest_in_Hyd...

Hard to say, Gordon.

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Reply #27 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:46pm

Freediver? You're not doing yourself any credit for playing patron to this idiot who arrives within moments to step on my posts with gibberish as a way of derailing and censoring what I have to say.

It's time you put your forum board on an adult footing and stopped playing host to vandals like Karnal and Gregg.

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Reply #28 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

Freediver? You're not doing yourself any credit for playing patron to this idiot who arrives within moments to step on my posts with gibberish as a way of derailing and censoring what I have to say.

It's time you put your forum board on an adult footing and stopped playing host to vandals like Karnal and Gregg.

He's right, FD. I'm offending him. Herbie's hurt. Can't you see that?

How is Herbie expected to mobilise the Stormfront crowd and protect foreign wacists if he's abused and victimised by the apologists? You need to protect him. That's your job.

Now, Herbie's sent a stern PM to your mailbox. Can you do something about this please?

We expect to see Herbie's complaints dealt with. No one has the right to not be offended, you know.

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Reply #29 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

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Reply #30 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:08pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

Sure, but that eats into their ticket prices, no?

Not to mention their social media revenue. Shouldn't we be paying people like this to bring us Freeedom? The price of Freeeedom is more Police, you know. Riot shields, water cannons, rubber bullets...

Herbie knows what I mean.

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Reply #31 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:58pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

Go Milo. I want my kids to hear him.

This is what intelligent disagreement and discussion looks like, feral, shouty progs

Have they read the Art of the Deal?

Compelling reading, old boy.

You are one of the great examples of the instinctive dishonest lefty, baying jackals.

You do not have an honest bone in your body. Everything is agit-prop for the Homintern and the Comintern.

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Reply #32 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:21pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:08pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

Sure, but that eats into their ticket prices, no?

Not to mention their social media revenue. Shouldn't we be paying people like this to bring us Freeedom? The price of Freeeedom is more Police, you know. Riot shields, water cannons, rubber bullets...

Herbie knows what I mean.

When you promote an event you need to consider the cost of security....If Milo was the real Queen he would have had the Federal Police protecting him around the clock at taxpayers expense....Promoters of any event need to factor in these costs when deciding to provoke the public!!!

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Reply #33 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:25pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

When was the last time a rock concert needed hundreds of police to protect from people trying to stop the concert?

How are you making a different point? Milo paid for the security inside the premises. He should not have to pay for the police to round up violent antifa morons out on the street.

How is this any different from you promoting the idea that people should be able to use violence and threats of violence to shut down a speaking engagement, by holding the speaker financially accountable for the moronic actions of the opposition crowd out on the street? Are you just going to find another way to say the same stupid thing?

Is this what you actually support Phil? Using violence to shut down free speech? Or are you more the "reject reality and replace it with my own" type?

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Reply #34 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:38pm

Frank wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:58pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

Go Milo. I want my kids to hear him.

This is what intelligent disagreement and discussion looks like, feral, shouty progs

Have they read the Art of the Deal?

Compelling reading, old boy.

You are one of the great examples of the instinctive dishonest lefty, baying jackals.

You do not have an honest bone in your body. Everything is agit-prop for the Homintern and the Comintern.

Is that why I'm a Paki Bastard? Moi?

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Reply #35 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:41pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:08pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

Sure, but that eats into their ticket prices, no?

Not to mention their social media revenue. Shouldn't we be paying people like this to bring us Freeedom? The price of Freeeedom is more Police, you know. Riot shields, water cannons, rubber bullets...

Herbie knows what I mean.

When you promote an event you need to consider the cost of security....If Milo was the real Queen he would have had the Federal Police protecting him around the clock at taxpayers expense....Promoters of any event need to factor in these costs when deciding to provoke the public!!!

Yes, but FD's argument is to consider how much prosperity and Freeeedom a chap like Milo brings to this country.

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Reply #36 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:43pm

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

When was the last time a rock concert needed hundreds of police to protect from people trying to stop the concert?

How are you making a different point? Milo paid for the security inside the premises. He should not have to pay for the police to round up violent antifa morons out on the street.

How is this any different from you promoting the idea that people should be able to use violence and threats of violence to shut down a speaking engagement, by holding the speaker financially accountable for the moronic actions of the opposition crowd out on the street? Are you just going to find another way to say the same stupid thing?

Is this what you actually support Phil? Using violence to shut down free speech? Or are you more the "reject reality and replace it with my own" type?

Did you support us paying for the security detail for Yassmin, FD?

Oh, That's right. You won't say.

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Reply #37 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:33am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

If the clowns who decided they don't like him had stayed away instead of turning up looking for a fight then the cops wouldn't have needed to be there.

It's those who were protesting against Yiannopolis who should be slapped with the bill.

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Reply #38 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:35am

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

When was the last time a rock concert needed hundreds of police to protect from people trying to stop the concert?

How are you making a different point? Milo paid for the security inside the premises. He should not have to pay for the police to round up violent antifa morons out on the street.

How is this any different from you promoting the idea that people should be able to use violence and threats of violence to shut down a speaking engagement, by holding the speaker financially accountable for the moronic actions of the opposition crowd out on the street? Are you just going to find another way to say the same stupid thing?

Is this what you actually support Phil? Using violence to shut down free speech? Or are you more the "reject reality and replace it with my own" type?

Promoters have to factor in the cost of security before bringing in dickheads who incite the public....WTF should my taxpayer dollars pay for any cretin to spew crap from any political persuasion....Good on the Victorian police for letting these promoters know there is a price for intollerance!!!

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Reply #39 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:57am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

The problems occurred outside the venue not in it. Security is internal. The Police are supposed to protect people going about their business ...... not scumbags like ANTIFA and the rent a crowd that want to shut down anything they don't like.

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Reply #40 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 8:04am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:35am:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

When was the last time a rock concert needed hundreds of police to protect from people trying to stop the concert?

How are you making a different point? Milo paid for the security inside the premises. He should not have to pay for the police to round up violent antifa morons out on the street.

How is this any different from you promoting the idea that people should be able to use violence and threats of violence to shut down a speaking engagement, by holding the speaker financially accountable for the moronic actions of the opposition crowd out on the street? Are you just going to find another way to say the same stupid thing?

Is this what you actually support Phil? Using violence to shut down free speech? Or are you more the "reject reality and replace it with my own" type?

Promoters have to factor in the cost of security before bringing in dickheads who incite the public....WTF should my taxpayer dollars pay for any cretin to spew crap from any political persuasion....Good on the Victorian police for letting these promoters know there is a price for intollerance!!!

Amazing statement. The intolerance is squarely in the court of the lefty ANTIFA scum.

As for Yiannoupolis inciting the "public" ..... ANTIFA are not the "public".

Certainly can see which court you lean into.

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Reply #41 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 8:12am

Gnads wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 8:04am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:35am:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

When was the last time a rock concert needed hundreds of police to protect from people trying to stop the concert?

How are you making a different point? Milo paid for the security inside the premises. He should not have to pay for the police to round up violent antifa morons out on the street.

How is this any different from you promoting the idea that people should be able to use violence and threats of violence to shut down a speaking engagement, by holding the speaker financially accountable for the moronic actions of the opposition crowd out on the street? Are you just going to find another way to say the same stupid thing?

Is this what you actually support Phil? Using violence to shut down free speech? Or are you more the "reject reality and replace it with my own" type?

Promoters have to factor in the cost of security before bringing in dickheads who incite the public....WTF should my taxpayer dollars pay for any cretin to spew crap from any political persuasion....Good on the Victorian police for letting these promoters know there is a price for intollerance!!!

Amazing statement. The intolerance is squarely in the court of the lefty ANTIFA scum.

As for Yiannoupolis inciting the "public" ..... ANTIFA are not the "public".

Certainly can see which court you lean into.

If ANTIFA hold an event then I have no problem with them being billed for the police protection either....You are entitled to support the taxpayer funding such events if you wish!!!

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Reply #42 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 8:34am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 8:12am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 8:04am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:35am:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

When was the last time a rock concert needed hundreds of police to protect from people trying to stop the concert?

How are you making a different point? Milo paid for the security inside the premises. He should not have to pay for the police to round up violent antifa morons out on the street.

How is this any different from you promoting the idea that people should be able to use violence and threats of violence to shut down a speaking engagement, by holding the speaker financially accountable for the moronic actions of the opposition crowd out on the street? Are you just going to find another way to say the same stupid thing?

Is this what you actually support Phil? Using violence to shut down free speech? Or are you more the "reject reality and replace it with my own" type?

Promoters have to factor in the cost of security before bringing in dickheads who incite the public....WTF should my taxpayer dollars pay for any cretin to spew crap from any political persuasion....Good on the Victorian police for letting these promoters know there is a price for intollerance!!!

Amazing statement. The intolerance is squarely in the court of the lefty ANTIFA scum.

As for Yiannoupolis inciting the "public" ..... ANTIFA are not the "public".

Certainly can see which court you lean into.

If ANTIFA hold an event then I have no problem with them being billed for the police protection either....You are entitled to support the taxpayer funding such events if you wish!!!

Roll Eyes

The protesters turning up wasn't an event.

They turned up at a venue uninvited to cause trouble like a vigilante group.

The taxpayer foots the bill for all Police Services in every state.

You don't bill or blame the victim.

That attitude is too prevalent in our society.

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Reply #43 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 8:51am

Gnads wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 8:34am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 8:12am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 8:04am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:35am:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

When was the last time a rock concert needed hundreds of police to protect from people trying to stop the concert?

How are you making a different point? Milo paid for the security inside the premises. He should not have to pay for the police to round up violent antifa morons out on the street.

How is this any different from you promoting the idea that people should be able to use violence and threats of violence to shut down a speaking engagement, by holding the speaker financially accountable for the moronic actions of the opposition crowd out on the street? Are you just going to find another way to say the same stupid thing?

Is this what you actually support Phil? Using violence to shut down free speech? Or are you more the "reject reality and replace it with my own" type?

Promoters have to factor in the cost of security before bringing in dickheads who incite the public....WTF should my taxpayer dollars pay for any cretin to spew crap from any political persuasion....Good on the Victorian police for letting these promoters know there is a price for intollerance!!!

Amazing statement. The intolerance is squarely in the court of the lefty ANTIFA scum.

As for Yiannoupolis inciting the "public" ..... ANTIFA are not the "public".

Certainly can see which court you lean into.

If ANTIFA hold an event then I have no problem with them being billed for the police protection either....You are entitled to support the taxpayer funding such events if you wish!!!

Roll Eyes

The protesters turning up wasn't an event.

They turned up at a venue uninvited to cause trouble like a vigilante group.

The taxpayer foots the bill for all Police Services in every state.

You don't bill or blame the victim.

That attitude is too prevalent in our society.

There where two groups of agitators both left and right which was the whole purpose of the event (to stir up sh!t)....You are entitled to believe that taxpayers should foot the bill for such events if you wish....I have made my point!!!

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Reply #44 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:06am

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Did you support us paying for the security detail for Yassmin, FD?

Since those who choose to speak get billed for any Police required outside the event then Yassmin should be given the bill for Police if people turn up to protest.

This will result in only the wealthy being able to exercise free speech is this the type of society you want?

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Reply #45 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:14am

Gnads wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 8:34am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 8:12am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 8:04am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:35am:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

When was the last time a rock concert needed hundreds of police to protect from people trying to stop the concert?

How are you making a different point? Milo paid for the security inside the premises. He should not have to pay for the police to round up violent antifa morons out on the street.

How is this any different from you promoting the idea that people should be able to use violence and threats of violence to shut down a speaking engagement, by holding the speaker financially accountable for the moronic actions of the opposition crowd out on the street? Are you just going to find another way to say the same stupid thing?

Is this what you actually support Phil? Using violence to shut down free speech? Or are you more the "reject reality and replace it with my own" type?

Promoters have to factor in the cost of security before bringing in dickheads who incite the public....WTF should my taxpayer dollars pay for any cretin to spew crap from any political persuasion....Good on the Victorian police for letting these promoters know there is a price for intollerance!!!

Amazing statement. The intolerance is squarely in the court of the lefty ANTIFA scum.

As for Yiannoupolis inciting the "public" ..... ANTIFA are not the "public".

Certainly can see which court you lean into.

If ANTIFA hold an event then I have no problem with them being billed for the police protection either....You are entitled to support the taxpayer funding such events if you wish!!!

Roll Eyes

The protesters turning up wasn't an event.

They turned up at a venue uninvited to cause trouble like a vigilante group.

The taxpayer foots the bill for all Police Services in every state.

You don't bill or blame the victim.

That attitude is too prevalent in our society.

Why do you bother! Victim blameing is a left wing trait Angry

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“The people that came to see the show lined up very peacefully, they were all quite happy and the ferals that were on the other side of the police lines were the ones throwing the bottles and they weren’t ticket holders, they weren’t invited and they certainly weren’t welcome.

“The only consequence of free speech is more free speech. Violence is not a consequence of free speech, violence is a consequence of ignorance.”

(Apologies.....can't provide you with a link as I'm on my iPhone atm)

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Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:21am:

“The people that came to see the show lined up very peacefully, they were all quite happy and the ferals that were on the other side of the police lines were the ones throwing the bottles and they weren’t ticket holders, they weren’t invited and they certainly weren’t welcome.

“The only consequence of free speech is more free speech. Violence is not a consequence of free speech, violence is a consequence of ignorance.”

(Apologies.....can't provide you with a link as I'm on my iPhone atm)

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Reply #49 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:31am

Frank wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:58pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

Go Milo. I want my kids to hear him.

This is what intelligent disagreement and discussion looks like, feral, shouty progs

Have they read the Art of the Deal?

Compelling reading, old boy.

You are one of the great examples of the instinctive dishonest lefty, baying jackals.

You do not have an honest bone in your body. Everything is agit-prop for the Homintern and the Comintern.

You should read Karnal's Anti Semitic posts.

Freediver wasn't impressed by them either Cry

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Reply #51 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:33am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:24am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 8:51am:

There where two groups of agitators both left and right which was the whole purpose of the event (to stir up sh!t)....

Indeed.

And the right-wing agitators were extremely violent.

Then again, they always are.

you dickhead

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Reply #53 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:40am

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:34am:

Justsayno wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 4:17pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 3:59pm:

Hitler had the Brown Shirts,

Yes, and we can observe from your your recent posts how much you admire them.

Exactly!

Which makes Karnal an Anti Semitic/racist piece of scum!

Deport this traitorous filth immediately, don't even think about it.

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Reply #54 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:45am

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:40am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:34am:

Justsayno wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 4:17pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 3:59pm:

Hitler had the Brown Shirts,

Yes, and we can observe from your your recent posts how much you admire them.

Exactly!

Which makes Karnal an Anti Semitic/racist piece of scum!

Deport this traitorous filth immediately, don't even think about it.

I'm not the revolting racist person here. You are!

Oh and umm FYI....I was BORN AND BRED IN AUSTRALIA.....so yeah...deport me back to where?

Where I am NOW Grin

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Reply #55 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:47am

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And the right-wing agitators were extremely violent.

Then again, they always are.

can you cite anything where right wing people have protested any leftard speaker?

We only need security for the violent left wingers who want to shut down any speech that goes against leftist idiocy.

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Reply #56 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:51am

Hey Baronvonrort.....take a look at this :

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:49am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:45am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:41am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:36pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:25pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:14pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:21pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:20pm:

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This one too, FD. Herbie has every right to be protected from these hooligans.

He came here on a boat.

I never came here by boat.
I was delivered here by Mermaids.

My parents came here by ship. The Australian govt invited AND paid for them to migrate to Australia back in 1960.

I was delivered by midwives.

Tongue

Pathetic.

Of course it would be pathetic for someone as disturbed and racist as you. Pffft!

Not racist, love. Sub-breeds like you are not a race.

They're vermin.

I love being half Italian and half Greek.

And I love the fact that my children also have British ancestry through their paternal lineage.

I adore being Australian.

You on the other hand.... Lips Sealed

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Reply #57 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:56am

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:45am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:40am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:34am:

Justsayno wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 4:17pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 3:59pm:

Hitler had the Brown Shirts,

Yes, and we can observe from your your recent posts how much you admire them.

Exactly!

Which makes Karnal an Anti Semitic/racist piece of scum!

Deport this traitorous filth immediately, don't even think about it.

I'm not the revolting racist person here. You are!

Oh and umm FYI....I was BORN AND BRED IN AUSTRALIA.....so yeah...deport me back to where?

Where I am NOW Grin

Back to Arabia with all your apologist friends.

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Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:29am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:21am:

“The people that came to see the show lined up very peacefully, they were all quite happy and the ferals that were on the other side of the police lines were the ones throwing the bottles and they weren’t ticket holders, they weren’t invited and they certainly weren’t welcome.

“The only consequence of free speech is more free speech. Violence is not a consequence of free speech, violence is a consequence of ignorance.”

(Apologies.....can't provide you with a link as I'm on my iPhone atm)

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Reply #59 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:56am

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 9:33pm:

Video of the African darkie stepping forward initiating the punch up, copped pepper spray for his outrageous behaviour. The start of the vid and again at 1.03 mins. The righty was just standing there before shaping up to protect himself, notice he walked back between the two cops who went after the darkie and a bunch of protestors

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/12/04/19/45/violent-clash-in-melbourne-mi...

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Reply #60 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:58am

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 1:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 1:05pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 12:58pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 12:48pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 12:38pm:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/protesters-rally-at-milo-yiannopoulos-sydney-event-201...

Getting back to the violent Left protesters......

An interesting read.

Hmmm.....these lefties were arrested. Good!

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/police-protesters-gather-ahead-of-mil...

These vids show just how violent THE LEFT REALLY ARE!

More VISUAL Evidence of Left wing VIOLENCE.

LOTS OF IT.
http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/milo-yiannopoulos-in-sydney-controv...

Jesus, that's bad!

Yep...and here's why!

About 30-50 right-wing activists from groups including Reclaim Australia and the True Blue Crew and up to 500 left-wing protesters representing the likes of Campaign Against Racism and Fascism took part in the clash.

It was great seeing those violent Lefties arrested.

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Reply #61 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 12:49pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:35am:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

When was the last time a rock concert needed hundreds of police to protect from people trying to stop the concert?

How are you making a different point? Milo paid for the security inside the premises. He should not have to pay for the police to round up violent antifa morons out on the street.

How is this any different from you promoting the idea that people should be able to use violence and threats of violence to shut down a speaking engagement, by holding the speaker financially accountable for the moronic actions of the opposition crowd out on the street? Are you just going to find another way to say the same stupid thing?

Is this what you actually support Phil? Using violence to shut down free speech? Or are you more the "reject reality and replace it with my own" type?

Promoters have to factor in the cost of security before bringing in dickheads who incite the public....WTF should my taxpayer dollars pay for any cretin to spew crap from any political persuasion....Good on the Victorian police for letting these promoters know there is a price for intollerance!!!

Your tax dollars are being spent on protecting people and property outside the venue from the moronic antifa mob.

Are you having trouble giving a straight answer because you know you are on the wrong side of this one Phil? Let's try again. Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down free speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

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Reply #62 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 1:31pm

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 12:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:35am:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

When was the last time a rock concert needed hundreds of police to protect from people trying to stop the concert?

How are you making a different point? Milo paid for the security inside the premises. He should not have to pay for the police to round up violent antifa morons out on the street.

How is this any different from you promoting the idea that people should be able to use violence and threats of violence to shut down a speaking engagement, by holding the speaker financially accountable for the moronic actions of the opposition crowd out on the street? Are you just going to find another way to say the same stupid thing?

Is this what you actually support Phil? Using violence to shut down free speech? Or are you more the "reject reality and replace it with my own" type?

Promoters have to factor in the cost of security before bringing in dickheads who incite the public....WTF should my taxpayer dollars pay for any cretin to spew crap from any political persuasion....Good on the Victorian police for letting these promoters know there is a price for intollerance!!!

Your tax dollars are being spent on protecting people and property outside the venue from the moronic antifa mob.

Are you having trouble giving a straight answer because you know you are on the wrong side of this one Phil? Let's try again.

No worries. Are you in favour of having the Victorian police take over the work of the Brown Shirts?

If you're having any trouble answering, please let me know.

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Reply #63 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 2:25pm

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 12:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:35am:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

When was the last time a rock concert needed hundreds of police to protect from people trying to stop the concert?

How are you making a different point? Milo paid for the security inside the premises. He should not have to pay for the police to round up violent antifa morons out on the street.

How is this any different from you promoting the idea that people should be able to use violence and threats of violence to shut down a speaking engagement, by holding the speaker financially accountable for the moronic actions of the opposition crowd out on the street? Are you just going to find another way to say the same stupid thing?

Is this what you actually support Phil? Using violence to shut down free speech? Or are you more the "reject reality and replace it with my own" type?

Promoters have to factor in the cost of security before bringing in dickheads who incite the public....WTF should my taxpayer dollars pay for any cretin to spew crap from any political persuasion....Good on the Victorian police for letting these promoters know there is a price for intollerance!!!

Your tax dollars are being spent on protecting people and property outside the venue from the moronic antifa mob.

Are you having trouble giving a straight answer because you know you are on the wrong side of this one Phil? Let's try again. Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down hate speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

I have made my point....When promoters schedule these events the cost of police protection should be factored in....Right, left, black or white I do not care....Why should taxpayers pay for any dickheads to spew their hatred....Otherwise let both sides go at it and pick up the bodies when it's all done and dusted....The very reason for Milo coming here was to stir up sh!t....Let him pay for it IMO!!!

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Reply #64 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 3:44pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 12:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:35am:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

When was the last time a rock concert needed hundreds of police to protect from people trying to stop the concert?

How are you making a different point? Milo paid for the security inside the premises. He should not have to pay for the police to round up violent antifa morons out on the street.

How is this any different from you promoting the idea that people should be able to use violence and threats of violence to shut down a speaking engagement, by holding the speaker financially accountable for the moronic actions of the opposition crowd out on the street? Are you just going to find another way to say the same stupid thing?

Is this what you actually support Phil? Using violence to shut down free speech? Or are you more the "reject reality and replace it with my own" type?

Promoters have to factor in the cost of security before bringing in dickheads who incite the public....WTF should my taxpayer dollars pay for any cretin to spew crap from any political persuasion....Good on the Victorian police for letting these promoters know there is a price for intollerance!!!

Your tax dollars are being spent on protecting people and property outside the venue from the moronic antifa mob.

Are you having trouble giving a straight answer because you know you are on the wrong side of this one Phil? Let's try again. Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down hate speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

I have made my point....

That's not the point. FD is asking you to agree. Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

The correct answer is yes.

Now, try asking FD: FD, are you in favour of having the Victorian police take over the work of the Brown Shirts?

FD won't say. Why do you think that is?

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Reply #65 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 4:41pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

I have made my point....When promoters schedule these events the cost of police protection should be factored in....Right, left, black or white I do not care....Why should taxpayers pay for any dickheads to spew their hatred....Otherwise let both sides go at it and pick up the bodies when it's all done and dusted....The very reason for Milo coming here was to stir up sh!t....Let him pay for it IMO!!!

Why don't the fascists - who call themselves antifascists - protest peacefully? There would be no damage bill if they could behave in a civilised manner.

Why should the victims of violent anarchists pick up the tab for the damage done by those violent thugs and chanting lesbians?

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Reply #66 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 4:44pm

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“The people that came to see the show lined up very peacefully, they were all quite happy and the ferals that were on the other side of the police lines were the ones throwing the bottles and they weren’t ticket holders, they weren’t invited and they certainly weren’t welcome.

“The only consequence of free speech is more free speech. Violence is not a consequence of free speech, violence is a consequence of ignorance.”

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Reply #68 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:15pm

Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:03pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:43pm:

Did you support us paying for the security detail for Yassmin, FD?

Oh, That's right. You won't say.

What security detail, Dishonest Pakistani Homintern Ambassador?

The one where the death and rape threats were monitored by police, Dishonest, Danish Cheese-snorter.

Should Yassmin have deployed the Black Panthers or accepted the services of the NSW Police?

A simple question, dear boy, and one you will refuse to address.

Is that stupid, mendacious or your education at the prestigious University of Balogney?

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Reply #69 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:19pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

Go Milo. I want my kids to hear him.

This is what intelligent disagreement and discussion looks like, feral, shouty progs

Have they read the Art of the Deal?

Compelling reading, old boy.

No, they haven't. Nor me. None of us are Ophrah Book Club member like you, Kameeeeeel.

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Reply #71 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:20pm

Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

I have made my point....When promoters schedule these events the cost of police protection should be factored in....Right, left, black or white I do not care....Why should taxpayers pay for any dickheads to spew their hatred....Otherwise let both sides go at it and pick up the bodies when it's all done and dusted....The very reason for Milo coming here was to stir up sh!t....Let him pay for it IMO!!!

Why don't the fascists - who call themselves antifascists - protest peacefully? There would be no damage bill if they could behave in a civilised manner?

Cunning, no?

Quote:

Heavily armed police were forced to intervene when protesters from both right and left groups clashed.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-05/protesters-arrested-at-milo-yiannopolou...

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Reply #72 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:23pm

Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

Go Milo. I want my kids to hear him.

This is what intelligent disagreement and discussion looks like, feral, shouty progs

Have they read the Art of the Deal?

Compelling reading, old boy.

No, they haven't. Nor me. None of us are Ophrah Book Club member like you, Kameeeeeel.

You should encourage them to join. There's a fine Pakistani author, Mohsin Hamid.

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Reply #73 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:24pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:15pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:03pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:43pm:

Did you support us paying for the security detail for Yassmin, FD?

Oh, That's right. You won't say.

What security detail, Dishonest Pakistani Homintern Ambassador?

The one where the death and rape threats were monitored by police, Dishonest, Danish Cheese-snorter.

Should Yassmin have deployed the Black Panthers or accepted the services of the NSW Police?

A simple question, dear boy, and one you will refuse to address.

Is that stupid, mendacious or your education at the prestigious University of Balogney?

So no security detail, after all. You just made it all up.

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Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:24pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:15pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:03pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:43pm:

Did you support us paying for the security detail for Yassmin, FD?

Oh, That's right. You won't say.

What security detail, Dishonest Pakistani Homintern Ambassador?

The one where the death and rape threats were monitored by police, Dishonest, Danish Cheese-snorter.

Should Yassmin have deployed the Black Panthers or accepted the services of the NSW Police?

A simple question, dear boy, and one you will refuse to address.

Is that stupid, mendacious or your education at the prestigious University of Balogney?

So no security detail, after all. You just made it all up.

Don't want to say, eh?

Told you.

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Reply #82 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:50pm

Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

I have made my point....When promoters schedule these events the cost of police protection should be factored in....Right, left, black or white I do not care....Why should taxpayers pay for any dickheads to spew their hatred....Otherwise let both sides go at it and pick up the bodies when it's all done and dusted....The very reason for Milo coming here was to stir up sh!t....Let him pay for it IMO!!!

Why don't the fascists - who call themselves antifascists - protest peacefully? There would be no damage bill if they could behave in a civilised manner.

Why should the victims of violent anarchists pick up the tab for the damage done by those violent thugs and chanting lesbians?

This is what Senator Leyonhjelm said about inviting Milo to parliament....

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Earlier, Senator Leyonhjelm said he wasn't aware of the broad scope of Yiannopoulos' controversial remarks.

"I think he's able to outrage people who I think are silly - lefties in general," Senator Leyonhjelm said.

"Causing outrage to those sorts of people seems to me sufficient reason to hear from him."

It was well known there would be trouble as there has been in the past when Milo spoke at American universities....The justification Senator Leyonhjelm used was he creates outrage to those whom he does not like but he has no idea about Yiannopoulos' remarks....Talk about deliberate baiting by the Senator and the Alt right....Perhaps Milo should send Leyonhjelm the bill???

Roll Eyes

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/12/05/17/22/milo-yiannopoulos-lands-in-sy...

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Reply #83 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:54pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

I think it's time Australia started charging and locking up these violent left wing nazis. They are a disgrace. They are the true violent humans.

Yes, but I think you'll find FD wants to leave the right wing Nazis alone.

Superior culture, innit.

Dunno.
But have you ever tried to put across a difference to a leftist. They call you names, threaten you, give you demeaning labels. Bloody disgraceful and you don't even have to be a right wing.

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Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:55pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Silly me, how could she climax with most of her genitals sliced off.

Have you not tried your anus?

Greg, is that you?

No, I'm Karnal. What have they done with your genitals?

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Reply #87 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:59pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

I think it's time Australia started charging and locking up these violent left wing nazis. They are a disgrace. They are the true violent humans.

Yes, but I think you'll find FD wants to leave the right wing Nazis alone.

Superior culture, innit.

Dunno.
But have you ever tried to put across a difference to a leftist. They call you names, threaten you, give you demeaning labels. Bloody disgraceful and you don't even have to be a right wing.

I know - take that hideous Yassmin woman. She had the hyde to call us racist. Us!

So abusive, no unfair.

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Reply #88 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:03pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:57pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:55pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Silly me, how could she climax with most of her genitals sliced off.

Have you not tried your anus?

Greg, is that you?

No, I'm Karnal. What have they done with your genitals?

Give me your snapchat ID and we can satisfy your curiosity once and for all.

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Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:57pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:55pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Silly me, how could she climax with most of her genitals sliced off.

Have you not tried your anus?

Greg, is that you?

No, I'm Karnal. What have they done with your genitals?

Give me your snapchat ID and we can satisfy your curiosity once and for all.

I don't have one.

As Herbie would say, how very dare you?

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Reply #90 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:16pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

I think it's time Australia started charging and locking up these violent left wing nazis. They are a disgrace. They are the true violent humans.

Yes, but I think you'll find FD wants to leave the right wing Nazis alone.

Superior culture, innit.

Dunno.
But have you ever tried to put across a difference to a leftist. They call you names, threaten you, give you demeaning labels. Bloody disgraceful and you don't even have to be a right wing.

I know - take that hideous Yassmin woman. She had the hyde to call us racist. Us!

So abusive, no unfair.

Why? Cause Australia doesn't need islam Grin

We accept all races but our law and culture is to stay. We don't bend and pretend. Respect the hand that helps you.

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Reply #91 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:17pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:06pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:57pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:55pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Silly me, how could she climax with most of her genitals sliced off.

Have you not tried your anus?

Greg, is that you?

No, I'm Karnal. What have they done with your genitals?

Give me your snapchat ID and we can satisfy your curiosity once and for all.

I don't have one.

As Herbie would say, how very dare you?

Oh well, you'll just have to fantasize about it.

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Reply #92 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:46pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 12:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:35am:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

When was the last time a rock concert needed hundreds of police to protect from people trying to stop the concert?

How are you making a different point? Milo paid for the security inside the premises. He should not have to pay for the police to round up violent antifa morons out on the street.

How is this any different from you promoting the idea that people should be able to use violence and threats of violence to shut down a speaking engagement, by holding the speaker financially accountable for the moronic actions of the opposition crowd out on the street? Are you just going to find another way to say the same stupid thing?

Is this what you actually support Phil? Using violence to shut down free speech? Or are you more the "reject reality and replace it with my own" type?

Promoters have to factor in the cost of security before bringing in dickheads who incite the public....WTF should my taxpayer dollars pay for any cretin to spew crap from any political persuasion....Good on the Victorian police for letting these promoters know there is a price for intollerance!!!

Your tax dollars are being spent on protecting people and property outside the venue from the moronic antifa mob.

Are you having trouble giving a straight answer because you know you are on the wrong side of this one Phil? Let's try again. Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down hate speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

I have made my point....When promoters schedule these events the cost of police protection should be factored in....Right, left, black or white I do not care....Why should taxpayers pay for any dickheads to spew their hatred....Otherwise let both sides go at it and pick up the bodies when it's all done and dusted....The very reason for Milo coming here was to stir up sh!t....Let him pay for it IMO!!!

Still having trouble with the whole straight answer thing eh?

Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down free speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

And why did you edit the post of mine that you quoted? Are you really that afraid of a simple question that you have to make it disappear?

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Reply #93 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:37pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

I think it's time Australia started charging and locking up these violent left wing nazis. They are a disgrace. They are the true violent humans.

Yes, but I think you'll find FD wants to leave the right wing Nazis alone.

Superior culture, innit.

Dunno.
But have you ever tried to put across a difference to a leftist. They call you names, threaten you, give you demeaning labels. Bloody disgraceful and you don't even have to be a right wing.

I know - take that hideous Yassmin woman. She had the hyde to call us racist. Us!

So abusive, no unfair.

Why? Cause Australia doesn't need islam Grin

We accept all races but our law and culture is to stay. We don't bend and pretend. Respect the hand that helps you.

That's right. These people offend us just by coming here.

How very dare they.

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Reply #94 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:40pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:17pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:06pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:57pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:55pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Silly me, how could she climax with most of her genitals sliced off.

Have you not tried your anus?

Greg, is that you?

No, I'm Karnal. What have they done with your genitals?

Give me your snapchat ID and we can satisfy your curiosity once and for all.

I don't have one.

As Herbie would say, how very dare you?

Oh well, you'll just have to fantasize about it.

He'll need to file it with all the rest of his fantasies 😂

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Reply #95 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:42pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:37pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

I think it's time Australia started charging and locking up these violent left wing nazis. They are a disgrace. They are the true violent humans.

Yes, but I think you'll find FD wants to leave the right wing Nazis alone.

Superior culture, innit.

Dunno.
But have you ever tried to put across a difference to a leftist. They call you names, threaten you, give you demeaning labels. Bloody disgraceful and you don't even have to be a right wing.

I know - take that hideous Yassmin woman. She had the hyde to call us racist. Us!

So abusive, no unfair.

Why? Cause Australia doesn't need islam Grin

We accept all races but our law and culture is to stay. We don't bend and pretend. Respect the hand that helps you.

That's right. These people offend us just by coming here.

How very dare they.

Is islam a particularly progressive culture? They seem to be tracking about 500 years behind western society.

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Reply #96 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:44pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

I think it's time Australia started charging and locking up these violent left wing nazis. They are a disgrace. They are the true violent humans.

Yes, but I think you'll find FD wants to leave the right wing Nazis alone.

Superior culture, innit.

Dunno.
But have you ever tried to put across a difference to a leftist. They call you names, threaten you, give you demeaning labels. Bloody disgraceful and you don't even have to be a right wing.

I know - take that hideous Yassmin woman. She had the hyde to call us racist. Us!

So abusive, no unfair.

Why? Cause Australia doesn't need islam Grin

We accept all races but our law and culture is to stay.

We don't bend and pretend.

Respect the hand that helps you.

What exactly did you mean by "we don't bend and pretend"???

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Reply #97 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:44pm

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:46pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 12:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:35am:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

When was the last time a rock concert needed hundreds of police to protect from people trying to stop the concert?

How are you making a different point? Milo paid for the security inside the premises. He should not have to pay for the police to round up violent antifa morons out on the street.

How is this any different from you promoting the idea that people should be able to use violence and threats of violence to shut down a speaking engagement, by holding the speaker financially accountable for the moronic actions of the opposition crowd out on the street? Are you just going to find another way to say the same stupid thing?

Is this what you actually support Phil? Using violence to shut down free speech? Or are you more the "reject reality and replace it with my own" type?

Promoters have to factor in the cost of security before bringing in dickheads who incite the public....WTF should my taxpayer dollars pay for any cretin to spew crap from any political persuasion....Good on the Victorian police for letting these promoters know there is a price for intollerance!!!

Your tax dollars are being spent on protecting people and property outside the venue from the moronic antifa mob.

Are you having trouble giving a straight answer because you know you are on the wrong side of this one Phil? Let's try again. Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down hate speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

I have made my point....When promoters schedule these events the cost of police protection should be factored in....Right, left, black or white I do not care....Why should taxpayers pay for any dickheads to spew their hatred....Otherwise let both sides go at it and pick up the bodies when it's all done and dusted....The very reason for Milo coming here was to stir up sh!t....Let him pay for it IMO!!!

Still having trouble with the whole straight answer thing eh?

Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down free speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

And why did you edit the post of mine that you quoted? Are you really that afraid of a simple question that you have to make it disappear?

Yes, FD, I think Phil is having trouble answering your questions properly. Do you feel offended? He has no right to do that surely. So abusive, so unfair.

Do you want to answer mine?

Why or why not?

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Reply #98 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:44pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:40pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:17pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:06pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:57pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:55pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Silly me, how could she climax with most of her genitals sliced off.

Have you not tried your anus?

Greg, is that you?

No, I'm Karnal. What have they done with your genitals?

Give me your snapchat ID and we can satisfy your curiosity once and for all.

I don't have one.

As Herbie would say, how very dare you?

Oh well, you'll just have to fantasize about it.

He'll need to file it with all the rest of his fantasies 😂

Hes asked me about the appearance of my penis on at least 20 occasions. I can't tell you how glad he lives way out in the western suburbs well away from me.

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Reply #99 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:47pm

Freediver wrote....
Quote:

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

No....The Victorian police are....My solution was for Milo to sue the dickheads....Either way I do not believe taxpayers should have to pay for it....Everyone knew there was going to be trouble as there where 350 riot police there and the media....A very successful advertising promotion for Milo in his line of work???

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Reply #100 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:49pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:42pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:37pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

I think it's time Australia started charging and locking up these violent left wing nazis. They are a disgrace. They are the true violent humans.

Yes, but I think you'll find FD wants to leave the right wing Nazis alone.

Superior culture, innit.

Dunno.
But have you ever tried to put across a difference to a leftist. They call you names, threaten you, give you demeaning labels. Bloody disgraceful and you don't even have to be a right wing.

I know - take that hideous Yassmin woman. She had the hyde to call us racist. Us!

So abusive, no unfair.

Why? Cause Australia doesn't need islam Grin

We accept all races but our law and culture is to stay. We don't bend and pretend. Respect the hand that helps you.

That's right. These people offend us just by coming here.

How very dare they.

Is islam a particularly progressive culture? They seem to be tracking about 500 years behind western society.

Have you read any of the old boy's posts lately? He hasn't changed a word since 1517. He's positively carved in stone.

At least you people are carved in flesh and blood, so to speak. That's your covenant with G_d, no?

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Reply #101 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:50pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Freediver wrote....
Quote:

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

No....The Victorian police are....My solution was for Milo to sue the dickheads....Either way I do not believe taxpayers should have to pay for it....Everyone knew there was going to be trouble as there where 350 riot police there and the media....A very successful advertising promotion for Milo in his line of work???

Why would Milo have to sue them unless the police were holding him financially responsible for the actions of the idiot antifa mob? And why are you afraid to give a straight answer?

Who do you think normally pays for police services? The crims they pick up?

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down free speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

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Reply #102 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:51pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:42pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:37pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

I think it's time Australia started charging and locking up these violent left wing nazis. They are a disgrace. They are the true violent humans.

Yes, but I think you'll find FD wants to leave the right wing Nazis alone.

Superior culture, innit.

Dunno.
But have you ever tried to put across a difference to a leftist. They call you names, threaten you, give you demeaning labels. Bloody disgraceful and you don't even have to be a right wing.

I know - take that hideous Yassmin woman. She had the hyde to call us racist. Us!

So abusive, no unfair.

Why? Cause Australia doesn't need islam Grin

We accept all races but our law and culture is to stay. We don't bend and pretend. Respect the hand that helps you.

That's right. These people offend us just by coming here.

How very dare they.

Is islam a particularly progressive culture? They seem to be tracking about 500 years behind western society.

Have you read any of the old boy's posts lately? He hasn't changed a word since 1517. He's positively carved in stone.

At least you people are carved in flesh and blood, so to speak. That's your covenant with G_d, no?

I'm an atheist, for the 500th time. Is this when you ask me about my penis?

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Reply #103 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:54pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:40pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:17pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:06pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:57pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:55pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Silly me, how could she climax with most of her genitals sliced off.

Have you not tried your anus?

Greg, is that you?

No, I'm Karnal. What have they done with your genitals?

Give me your snapchat ID and we can satisfy your curiosity once and for all.

I don't have one.

As Herbie would say, how very dare you?

Oh well, you'll just have to fantasize about it.

He'll need to file it with all the rest of his fantasies 😂

Hes asked me about the appearance of my penis on at least 20 occasions. I can't tell you how glad he lives way out in the western suburbs well away from me.

Yuck.

Oh dear God....😱

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Reply #104 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:54pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:51pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:42pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:37pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

I think it's time Australia started charging and locking up these violent left wing nazis. They are a disgrace. They are the true violent humans.

Yes, but I think you'll find FD wants to leave the right wing Nazis alone.

Superior culture, innit.

Dunno.
But have you ever tried to put across a difference to a leftist. They call you names, threaten you, give you demeaning labels. Bloody disgraceful and you don't even have to be a right wing.

I know - take that hideous Yassmin woman. She had the hyde to call us racist. Us!

So abusive, no unfair.

Why? Cause Australia doesn't need islam Grin

We accept all races but our law and culture is to stay. We don't bend and pretend. Respect the hand that helps you.

That's right. These people offend us just by coming here.

How very dare they.

Is islam a particularly progressive culture? They seem to be tracking about 500 years behind western society.

Have you read any of the old boy's posts lately? He hasn't changed a word since 1517. He's positively carved in stone.

At least you people are carved in flesh and blood, so to speak. That's your covenant with G_d, no?

I'm an atheist, for the 500th time. Is this when you ask me about my penis?

Oh dear God 😱

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Reply #105 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:55pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Freediver wrote....
Quote:

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

No....The Victorian police are....My solution was for Milo to sue the dickheads....Either way I do not believe taxpayers should have to pay for it....Everyone knew there was going to be trouble as there where 350 riot police there and the media....A very successful advertising promotion for Milo in his line of work???

Milo should be charged a capped amount comensurat with what's required to crowd control the number of people attending his event. That's fair. The cost to control the protesters unfortunately needs to be carried by taxpayers.

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Reply #106 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:56pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Freediver wrote....
Quote:

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

No....The Victorian police are....My solution was for Milo to sue the dickheads....Either way I do not believe taxpayers should have to pay for it....Everyone knew there was going to be trouble as there where 350 riot police there and the media....A very successful advertising promotion for Milo in his line of work???

You see? Now, that's the difference between you and FD, Phil. FD's solution is to ship in stupid, miserable Yanks just out of nappies to give Herbie and the old boy jolly old hardons.

Your solution is for Milo to employ an army of Brown Shirts to carry torches and beat up any recalcitrants.

Have you thought of combining your two solutions? Couldn't we dress the police in Nazi uniforms and train them to take out the trash? A win-win by any stretch of the imagination, shurely, and one we all know FD would approve of, but won't say.

You?

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Reply #107 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:57pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:51pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:42pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:37pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

I think it's time Australia started charging and locking up these violent left wing nazis. They are a disgrace. They are the true violent humans.

Yes, but I think you'll find FD wants to leave the right wing Nazis alone.

Superior culture, innit.

Dunno.
But have you ever tried to put across a difference to a leftist. They call you names, threaten you, give you demeaning labels. Bloody disgraceful and you don't even have to be a right wing.

I know - take that hideous Yassmin woman. She had the hyde to call us racist. Us!

So abusive, no unfair.

Why? Cause Australia doesn't need islam Grin

We accept all races but our law and culture is to stay. We don't bend and pretend. Respect the hand that helps you.

That's right. These people offend us just by coming here.

How very dare they.

Is islam a particularly progressive culture? They seem to be tracking about 500 years behind western society.

Have you read any of the old boy's posts lately? He hasn't changed a word since 1517. He's positively carved in stone.

At least you people are carved in flesh and blood, so to speak. That's your covenant with G_d, no?

I'm an atheist, for the 500th time. Is this when you ask me about my penis?

Now now, atheists are not a race.

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Reply #108 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:00pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Freediver wrote....
Quote:

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

No....The Victorian police are....My solution was for Milo to sue the dickheads....Either way I do not believe taxpayers should have to pay for it....Everyone knew there was going to be trouble as there where 350 riot police there and the media....A very successful advertising promotion for Milo in his line of work???

Milo should be charged a capped amount comensurat with what's required to crowd control the number of people attending his event. That's fair. The cost to control the protesters unfortunately needs to be carried by taxpayers.

He had his own security for his event. The police were there for the idiot antifa mob out on the street.

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Reply #109 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:03pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Freediver wrote....
Quote:

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

No....The Victorian police are....My solution was for Milo to sue the dickheads....Either way I do not believe taxpayers should have to pay for it....Everyone knew there was going to be trouble as there where 350 riot police there and the media....A very successful advertising promotion for Milo in his line of work???

Milo should be charged a capped amount comensurat with what's required to crowd control the number of people attending his event. That's fair. The cost to control the protesters unfortunately needs to be carried by taxpayers.

Nahhhh those left whinging protester nongs should pay.

All 500 of them.

And let them know it's all thanks to good old ex Labor PM Paul Keating's user-pay system ideology 😂

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Reply #110 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:04pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Freediver wrote....
Quote:

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

No....The Victorian police are....My solution was for Milo to sue the dickheads....Either way I do not believe taxpayers should have to pay for it....Everyone knew there was going to be trouble as there where 350 riot police there and the media....A very successful advertising promotion for Milo in his line of work???

Milo should be charged a capped amount comensurat with what's required to crowd control the number of people attending his event. That's fair. The cost to control the protesters unfortunately needs to be carried by taxpayers.

Rubbish. As FD says, we should only pay to lock up the leftards. Decent Nazi supporters should be granted their sovereign right to be offended.

How very dare they?

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Reply #111 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:05pm

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Freediver wrote....
Quote:

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

No....The Victorian police are....My solution was for Milo to sue the dickheads....Either way I do not believe taxpayers should have to pay for it....Everyone knew there was going to be trouble as there where 350 riot police there and the media....A very successful advertising promotion for Milo in his line of work???

Milo should be charged a capped amount comensurat with what's required to crowd control the number of people attending his event. That's fair. The cost to control the protesters unfortunately needs to be carried by taxpayers.

He had his own security for his event. The police were there for the idiot antifa mob out on the street.

Now now, FD, no one has the right to not be offended.

Does this fact comfort you?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

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Reply #112 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:07pm

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Freediver wrote....
Quote:

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

No....The Victorian police are....My solution was for Milo to sue the dickheads....Either way I do not believe taxpayers should have to pay for it....Everyone knew there was going to be trouble as there where 350 riot police there and the media....A very successful advertising promotion for Milo in his line of work???

Milo should be charged a capped amount comensurat with what's required to crowd control the number of people attending his event. That's fair. The cost to control the protesters unfortunately needs to be carried by taxpayers.

He had his own security for his event. The police were there for the idiot antifa mob out on the street.

I think the police should have the right to attend for event crowd control if they deem the private security is not sufficient, but that's something that would be worked out in advance l. The number of protesters showing up is beyond anyone's control, he shouldn't get the bill.

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Reply #113 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:08pm

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Freediver wrote....
Quote:

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

No....The Victorian police are....My solution was for Milo to sue the dickheads....Either way I do not believe taxpayers should have to pay for it....Everyone knew there was going to be trouble as there where 350 riot police there and the media....A very successful advertising promotion for Milo in his line of work???

Milo should be charged a capped amount comensurat with what's required to crowd control the number of people attending his event. That's fair. The cost to control the protesters unfortunately needs to be carried by taxpayers.

He had his own security for his event. The police were there for the idiot antifa mob out on the street.

The people that came to see the show lined up very peacefully, they were all quite happy and the ferals that were on the other side of the police lines were the ones throwing the bottles and they weren’t ticket holders, they weren’t invited and they certainly weren’t welcome.

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Reply #114 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:08pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:05pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Freediver wrote....
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Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

No....The Victorian police are....My solution was for Milo to sue the dickheads....Either way I do not believe taxpayers should have to pay for it....Everyone knew there was going to be trouble as there where 350 riot police there and the media....A very successful advertising promotion for Milo in his line of work???

Milo should be charged a capped amount comensurat with what's required to crowd control the number of people attending his event. That's fair. The cost to control the protesters unfortunately needs to be carried by taxpayers.

He had his own security for his event. The police were there for the idiot antifa mob out on the street.

Now now, FD, no one has the right to not be offended.

Does this fact comfort you?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Did Lakemba mosque get a bill for about 20 million for the Lindt Cafe siege? Why not?

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Reply #116 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:22pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Freediver wrote....
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Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

No....The Victorian police are....My solution was for Milo to sue the dickheads....Either way I do not believe taxpayers should have to pay for it....Everyone knew there was going to be trouble as there where 350 riot police there and the media....A very successful advertising promotion for Milo in his line of work???

Milo should be charged a capped amount comensurat with what's required to crowd control the number of people attending his event. That's fair. The cost to control the protesters unfortunately needs to be carried by taxpayers.

He had his own security for his event. The police were there for the idiot antifa mob out on the street.

I think the police should have the right to attend for event crowd control if they deem the private security is not sufficient, but that's something that would be worked out in advance l. The number of protesters showing up is beyond anyone's control, he shouldn't get the bill.

People who organise events like music concerts are held responsible if they do not provide adequate security etc for the number of people coming. They get sued when they stuff it up. But they are not expected to pay the police force to manage protestors out on the street who are trying to shut them down. If the police are not there to defend our rights and freedoms, what are they for?

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Reply #118 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:35pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:08pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:05pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Freediver wrote....
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Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

No....The Victorian police are....My solution was for Milo to sue the dickheads....Either way I do not believe taxpayers should have to pay for it....Everyone knew there was going to be trouble as there where 350 riot police there and the media....A very successful advertising promotion for Milo in his line of work???

Milo should be charged a capped amount comensurat with what's required to crowd control the number of people attending his event. That's fair. The cost to control the protesters unfortunately needs to be carried by taxpayers.

He had his own security for his event. The police were there for the idiot antifa mob out on the street.

Now now, FD, no one has the right to not be offended.

Does this fact comfort you?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Did Lakemba mosque get a bill for about 20 million for the Lindt Cafe siege? Why not?

I think they deferred their risk by reporting Man Monis to the Federal Police.

But that's just me.

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Reply #119 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:38pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Freediver wrote....
Quote:

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

No....The Victorian police are....My solution was for Milo to sue the dickheads....Either way I do not believe taxpayers should have to pay for it....Everyone knew there was going to be trouble as there where 350 riot police there and the media....A very successful advertising promotion for Milo in his line of work???

Milo should be charged a capped amount comensurat with what's required to crowd control the number of people attending his event. That's fair. The cost to control the protesters unfortunately needs to be carried by taxpayers.

He had his own security for his event. The police were there for the idiot antifa mob out on the street.

I think the police should have the right to attend for event crowd control if they deem the private security is not sufficient, but that's something that would be worked out in advance l. The number of protesters showing up is beyond anyone's control, he shouldn't get the bill.

Okay, but what if he was using his freeedom to speak out against the Jew?

What then?

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Reply #120 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:38pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:08pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:05pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Freediver wrote....
Quote:

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

No....The Victorian police are....My solution was for Milo to sue the dickheads....Either way I do not believe taxpayers should have to pay for it....Everyone knew there was going to be trouble as there where 350 riot police there and the media....A very successful advertising promotion for Milo in his line of work???

Milo should be charged a capped amount comensurat with what's required to crowd control the number of people attending his event. That's fair. The cost to control the protesters unfortunately needs to be carried by taxpayers.

He had his own security for his event. The police were there for the idiot antifa mob out on the street.

Now now, FD, no one has the right to not be offended.

Does this fact comfort you?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Did Lakemba mosque get a bill for about 20 million for the Lindt Cafe siege? Why not?

The siege was not at Lakemba mosque and they had no foreknowledge of the event!!!

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Hey Phil, why can't you give a straight answer? Obviously people want to know whether you actually believe the crap you have been posting.

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down free speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

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freediver wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 9:05am:

Hey Phil, why can't you give a straight answer? Obviously people want to know whether you actually believe the crap you have been posting.

1. Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

2. Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down free speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

1. No....I hold the promoters responsible for obviously not liaising with police or taking reasonable steps to avoid the violence that they would have or should have known was inevitable....The promoters did nothing to address the civil unrest their event would cause so I think they should pay for their actions....I know you will not be satisfied with this answer because what you fail to understand is the fact protesting is not against the law!!!

2. No....However you cannot avoid the cost of security when you hold an event that you know will court protesters....It is not illegal to protest so I fail to see what all your ranting about violence to shut down free speech is about....The protest is about free speech and the democratic right to voice your opposition....Milo's event was not shut down it was just very poorly organised!!!

What do you propose FD....We ban free speech and prevent people protesting???

Huh

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Reply #124 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:02pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 11:12am:

freediver wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 9:05am:

Hey Phil, why can't you give a straight answer? Obviously people want to know whether you actually believe the crap you have been posting.

1. Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

2. Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down free speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

1. No....I hold the promoters responsible for obviously not liaising with police or taking reasonable steps to avoid the violence that they would have or should have known was inevitable....The promoters did nothing to address the civil unrest their event would cause so I think they should pay for their actions....I know you will not be satisfied with this answer because what you fail to understand is the fact protesting is not against the law!!!

2. No....However you cannot avoid the cost of security when you hold an event that you know will court protesters....It is not illegal to protest so I fail to see what all your ranting about violence to shut down free speech is about....The protest is about free speech and the democratic right to voice your opposition....Milo's event was not shut down it was just very poorly organised!!!

So what you're saying is we should expect violent protests from lefties when people have private speaking functions that don't kowtow to leftist lunacy.

Do we have to expect leftists are incapable of peaceful protests and violence is the reality with leftist protestors?

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Reply #127 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:14pm

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There were no violent protests, Baron. There were protests, with a clash between a group of ferals and a group of Nazis. 5 were arrested.

Do you think we should stop legal protests if Nazis turn up for a bit of biffo?

Why or why not?

FD won't say.

Why do you say it was the Nazis who turned up for a fight babe?

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Reply #128 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:16pm

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Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:10pm:

There were no violent protests, Baron. There were protests, with a clash between a group of ferals.... 5 were arrested.

There were 12 police injured by these feral lefties.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-05/protesters-arrested-at-milo-yiannopolous-s...

And skinheads. I've already posted that article. This was a sideline brawl, not a protest.

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Reply #129 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:18pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:14pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:10pm:

There were no violent protests, Baron. There were protests, with a clash between a group of ferals and a group of Nazis. 5 were arrested.

Do you think we should stop legal protests if Nazis turn up for a bit of biffo?

Why or why not?

FD won't say.

Why do you say it was the Nazis who turned up for a fight babe?

Because they were there. They were arrested for a fight babe.

Haven't you read Baron and moi's article?

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Reply #130 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:18pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:14pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:10pm:

There were no violent protests, Baron. There were protests, with a clash between a group of ferals.... 5 were arrested.

There were 12 police injured by these feral lefties.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-05/protesters-arrested-at-milo-yiannopolous-s...

And skinheads. I've already posted that article. This was a sideline brawl, not a protest.

There's film of a ANTIFA maggot yelling out "death to whities" babe? Isn't that racist?

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Reply #131 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:19pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:14pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:10pm:

There were no violent protests, Baron. There were protests, with a clash between a group of ferals and a group of Nazis. 5 were arrested.

Do you think we should stop legal protests if Nazis turn up for a bit of biffo?

Why or why not?

FD won't say.

Why do you say it was the Nazis who turned up for a fight babe?

Because they were there. They were arrested for a fight babe.

Haven't you read Baron and moi's article?

So are you saying it was all one sided?

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Reply #132 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:20pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:18pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:14pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:10pm:

There were no violent protests, Baron. There were protests, with a clash between a group of ferals.... 5 were arrested.

There were 12 police injured by these feral lefties.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-05/protesters-arrested-at-milo-yiannopolous-s...

And skinheads. I've already posted that article. This was a sideline brawl, not a protest.

There's film of a ANTIFA maggot yelling out "death to whities" babe? Isn't that racist?

You haven't read the article yet, Homo.

I don't believe you about your video.

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No....I hold the promoters responsible for obviously not liaising with police

Obviously? You just made this up, didn't you?

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or taking reasonable steps to avoid the violence that they would have or should have known was inevitable

The police were there. The violence happened right in front of the police. What more could they have done?

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The promoters did nothing to address the civil unrest their event would cause so I think they should pay for their actions....I know you will not be satisfied with this answer because what you fail to understand is the fact protesting is not against the law!!!

Throwing bricks at the police is against the law. If they had protested peacefully, the police would not have been necessary. But they are incapable of doing so.

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No....However you cannot avoid the cost of security when you hold an event that you know will court protesters....

Is that a "no, but yes"? He can avoid it quite easily. I doubt he will be paying the bill.

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The protest is about free speech and the democratic right to voice your opposition

Is that what throwing bricks at police and trying to stop Milo's talk is about? Free speech?

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Milo's event was not shut down it was just very poorly organised!!!

It was very well organised. They went to the extraordinary step of not telling the patrons where the event was.

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What do you propose FD....We ban free speech and prevent people protesting???

That we do not charge Milo the cost of the police management of the moronic antifa mob.

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Reply #135 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:35pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 11:12am:

freediver wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 9:05am:

Hey Phil, why can't you give a straight answer? Obviously people want to know whether you actually believe the crap you have been posting.

1. Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

2. Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down free speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

1. No....I hold the promoters responsible for obviously not liaising with police or taking reasonable steps to avoid the violence that they would have or should have known was inevitable....The promoters did nothing to address the civil unrest their event would cause so I think they should pay for their actions....I know you will not be satisfied with this answer because what you fail to understand is the fact protesting is not against the law!!!

2. No....However you cannot avoid the cost of security when you hold an event that you know will court protesters....It is not illegal to protest so I fail to see what all your ranting about violence to shut down free speech is about....The protest is about free speech and the democratic right to voice your opposition....Milo's event was not shut down it was just very poorly organised!!!

So what you're saying is we should expect violent protests from lefties when people have private speaking functions that don't kowtow to leftist lunacy.

Do we have to expect leftists are incapable of peaceful protests and violence is the reality with leftist protestors?

Yes....We should expect violent protests when events provoke left or right extremism....That is the whole point....Why only condemn one side for protesting....Do the right only protest peacefully....Or would you just ban left wing protesters???

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Yes....We should expect violent protests when events provoke left or right extremism....That is the whole point....Why only condemn one side for protesting....Do the right only protest peacefully....Or would you just ban left wing protesters???

It really is quite simple. Police it properly so that free speech can continue unabated. And don't try to charge the people you disagree with for the cost of managing their critics.

Oh, and stop telling blatant lies about 'not liaising with police'.

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freediver wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:29pm:

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No....I hold the promoters responsible for obviously not liaising with police

Obviously? You just made this up, didn't you?

I used reason which one cannot understand that one does not posses!!!

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or taking reasonable steps to avoid the violence that they would have or should have known was inevitable

The police were there. The violence happened right in front of the police. What more could they have done?

Not the police, the promoters who did nothing to avoid conflict or provide security!!!

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The promoters did nothing to address the civil unrest their event would cause so I think they should pay for their actions....I know you will not be satisfied with this answer because what you fail to understand is the fact protesting is not against the law!!!

Throwing bricks at the police is against the law. If they had protested peacefully, the police would not have been necessary. But they are incapable of doing so.

The police know there will be protesters and counter protesters at these events which is why they where there....Do you believe the promoters where not aware of the prospect of violence???

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No....However you cannot avoid the cost of security when you hold an event that you know will court protesters....

Is that a "no, but yes"? He can avoid it quite easily. I doubt he will be paying the bill.

So now you condone breaking the laws you don't agree with???

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The protest is about free speech and the democratic right to voice your opposition

Is that what throwing bricks at police and trying to stop Milo's talk is about? Free speech?

His even still went ahead....The violence is why the police where there....Why don't you also condemn the 50 right wing protesters who where trying to shut down the left wing protesters....Is it only one group you afford the right of free speech???

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Milo's event was not shut down it was just very poorly organised!!!

It was very well organised. They went to the extraordinary step of not telling the patrons where the event was.

Yet the riot police and media where there along with 350+ protesters....If by well organised you mean the promoters and Milo got the media exposure they wanted you might be right correct for once???

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What do you propose FD....We ban free speech and prevent people protesting???

That we do not charge Milo the cost of the police management of the moronic antifa mob.

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It’s standard procedure for police to bill organisers at commercial events, where their presence is required, from pop concerts to sporting events.

http://www.businessinsider.com/australian-state-sent-milo-yiannopoulos-50000-bil...

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Is that a "no, but yes"? He can avoid it quite easily. I doubt he will be paying the bill.

So now you condone breaking the laws you don't agree with???

No Phil. Do try to keep up. Let's try again for a straight answer.

Do you support holding Milo and his associates financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead? Did you simply lie about them not liaising with police to try to justify your "yeah but nah" answer?

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Reply #139 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 2:12pm

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I was wondering if somebody could download is youtube url link. Cheers.

https://youtu.be/kSGCRNeHTNs

Good on you for providing proof.

But I still don't buy it. Why would a whitey yell death to whiteys? He's being ironic, or, more likely -

Check out the pause before whiteys and the hand over his mouth. Someone probably dubbed it in for a silly headline. It's designed to get honkies like you and FD frothing at the mouth, as you love to do.

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Is that a "no, but yes"? He can avoid it quite easily. I doubt he will be paying the bill.

So now you condone breaking the laws you don't agree with???

No Phil. Do try to keep up. Let's try again for a straight answer.

Do you support holding Milo and his associates financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead? Did you simply lie about them not liaising with police to try to justify your "yeah but nah" answer?

Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down free speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

I want promoters to provide security for their events!!!

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Reply #141 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 2:14pm

And not just any old jellyfish, a Portuguese Man of War.

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Is that a "no, but yes"? He can avoid it quite easily. I doubt he will be paying the bill.

So now you condone breaking the laws you don't agree with???

No Phil. Do try to keep up. Let's try again for a straight answer.

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Reply #142 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 2:14pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 2:12pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 2:10pm:

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Is that a "no, but yes"? He can avoid it quite easily. I doubt he will be paying the bill.

So now you condone breaking the laws you don't agree with???

No Phil. Do try to keep up. Let's try again for a straight answer.

Do you support holding Milo and his associates financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead? Did you simply lie about them not liaising with police to try to justify your "yeah but nah" answer?

Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down free speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

I want promoters to provide security for their events!!!

Roll Eyes

Earth to Phil - they did provide security for their event. Just not for the moron event on the street outside, which was organised by a different group. Let's try again for a straight answer eh?

Do you support holding Milo and his associates financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead? Did you simply lie about them not liaising with police to try to justify your "yeah but nah" answer?

Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down free speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

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Reply #143 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 2:17pm

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Yes....We should expect violent protests when events provoke left or right extremism....That is the whole point....Why only condemn one side for protesting....Do the right only protest peacefully....Or would you just ban left wing protesters???

It really is quite simple. Police it properly so that free speech can continue unabated. And don't try to charge the people you disagree with for the cost of managing their critics.

Oh, and stop telling blatant lies about 'not liaising with police'.

How about neo-Nazi rallies?

Oh, I forgot. You won't say.

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Reply #144 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 2:19pm

freediver wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 2:10pm:

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Is that a "no, but yes"? He can avoid it quite easily. I doubt he will be paying the bill.

So now you condone breaking the laws you don't agree with???

No Phil. Do try to keep up. Let's try again for a straight answer.

Do you support holding Milo and his associates financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead? Did you simply lie about them not liaising with police to try to justify your "yeah but nah" answer?

Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down free speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

1. No....I hold the promoters responsible for obviously not liaising with police or taking reasonable steps to avoid the violence that they would have or should have known was inevitable....The promoters did nothing to address the civil unrest their event would cause so I think they should pay for their actions....I know you will not be satisfied with this answer because what you fail to understand is the fact protesting is not against the law!!!

2. No....However you cannot avoid the cost of security when you hold an event that you know will court protesters....It is not illegal to protest so I fail to see what all your ranting about violence to shut down free speech is about....The protest is about free speech and the democratic right to voice your opposition....Milo's event was not shut down it was just very poorly organised!!!

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It’s standard procedure for police to bill organisers at commercial events, where their presence is required, from pop concerts to sporting events.

Now how about you give me a straight answer instead of using weasel words....

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What do you propose FD....We ban free speech and prevent people protesting???

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Reply #145 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 3:13pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:35pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 11:12am:

freediver wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 9:05am:

Hey Phil, why can't you give a straight answer? Obviously people want to know whether you actually believe the crap you have been posting.

1. Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

2. Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down free speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

1. No....I hold the promoters responsible for obviously not liaising with police or taking reasonable steps to avoid the violence that they would have or should have known was inevitable....The promoters did nothing to address the civil unrest their event would cause so I think they should pay for their actions....I know you will not be satisfied with this answer because what you fail to understand is the fact protesting is not against the law!!!

2. No....However you cannot avoid the cost of security when you hold an event that you know will court protesters....It is not illegal to protest so I fail to see what all your ranting about violence to shut down free speech is about....The protest is about free speech and the democratic right to voice your opposition....Milo's event was not shut down it was just very poorly organised!!!

So what you're saying is we should expect violent protests from lefties when people have private speaking functions that don't kowtow to leftist lunacy.

Do we have to expect leftists are incapable of peaceful protests and violence is the reality with leftist protestors?

Yes....We should expect violent protests when events provoke left or right extremism....That is the whole point....Why only condemn one side for protesting....Do the right only protest peacefully....Or would you just ban left wing protesters???

Huh

There were 500 leftist lunatics violently protesting against Milo vs 50 people supporting free speech it's pretty clear the lefties were causing all the trouble.

If lefties want to speak about anything I disagree with then I can riot and trash the joint so the lefties can be billed for it, nice to know you're cool with this. Wink

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Reply #146 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 3:28pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 3:13pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:35pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 11:12am:

freediver wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 9:05am:

Hey Phil, why can't you give a straight answer? Obviously people want to know whether you actually believe the crap you have been posting.

1. Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

2. Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down free speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

1. No....I hold the promoters responsible for obviously not liaising with police or taking reasonable steps to avoid the violence that they would have or should have known was inevitable....The promoters did nothing to address the civil unrest their event would cause so I think they should pay for their actions....I know you will not be satisfied with this answer because what you fail to understand is the fact protesting is not against the law!!!

2. No....However you cannot avoid the cost of security when you hold an event that you know will court protesters....It is not illegal to protest so I fail to see what all your ranting about violence to shut down free speech is about....The protest is about free speech and the democratic right to voice your opposition....Milo's event was not shut down it was just very poorly organised!!!

So what you're saying is we should expect violent protests from lefties when people have private speaking functions that don't kowtow to leftist lunacy.

Do we have to expect leftists are incapable of peaceful protests and violence is the reality with leftist protestors?

Yes....We should expect violent protests when events provoke left or right extremism....That is the whole point....Why only condemn one side for protesting....Do the right only protest peacefully....Or would you just ban left wing protesters???

Huh

There were 500 leftist lunatics violently protesting against Milo vs 50 people supporting free speech it's pretty clear the lefties were causing all the trouble.

Why lie?

The lefties were doing nothing at all, except silently protesting.

The hired right-wing extremists then came in and started getting violent.

This is clearly shown on all video footage.

Moreover, this is the way it always goes down.

The rightards just can't express themselves without using violence.

It's pathetic to watch, and even more pathetic that others condone the right-wing violence.

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Reply #147 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 3:44pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 3:13pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:35pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 11:12am:

freediver wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 9:05am:

Hey Phil, why can't you give a straight answer? Obviously people want to know whether you actually believe the crap you have been posting.

1. Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

2. Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down free speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

1. No....I hold the promoters responsible for obviously not liaising with police or taking reasonable steps to avoid the violence that they would have or should have known was inevitable....The promoters did nothing to address the civil unrest their event would cause so I think they should pay for their actions....I know you will not be satisfied with this answer because what you fail to understand is the fact protesting is not against the law!!!

2. No....However you cannot avoid the cost of security when you hold an event that you know will court protesters....It is not illegal to protest so I fail to see what all your ranting about violence to shut down free speech is about....The protest is about free speech and the democratic right to voice your opposition....Milo's event was not shut down it was just very poorly organised!!!

So what you're saying is we should expect violent protests from lefties when people have private speaking functions that don't kowtow to leftist lunacy.

Do we have to expect leftists are incapable of peaceful protests and violence is the reality with leftist protestors?

Yes....We should expect violent protests when events provoke left or right extremism....That is the whole point....Why only condemn one side for protesting....Do the right only protest peacefully....Or would you just ban left wing protesters???

Huh

There were 500 leftist lunatics violently protesting against Milo vs 50 people supporting free speech it's pretty clear the lefties were causing all the trouble.

If lefties want to speak about anything I disagree with then I can riot and trash the joint so the lefties can be billed for it, nice to know you're cool with this. Wink

You do that already, Baron, but I'm curious. What do you mean by "violently protesting"?

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Reply #150 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:23pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:20pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 3:59pm:

The Socialist Alliance are one of the dumber movements in town. And here you have knuckleads in Making Amerika Great Again caps begging for a blue.

Who's more stupid - the Socialist Alliance or Australian Trump supporters?

I told you the video was real babe. Grin

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Reply #151 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:25pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:23pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:20pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 3:59pm:

The Socialist Alliance are one of the dumber movements in town. And here you have knuckleads in Making Amerika Great Again caps begging for a blue.

Who's more stupid - the Socialist Alliance or Australian Trump supporters?

I told you the video was real babe. Grin

I agree. It's real babe.

Now where's the biff?

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" ..... xcellent write up of Monday's events. I was there, and stayed for the African Muslim riot afterwards. No mention of that in the MSM. 200 African savages pelting innocent bystanders and police with bricks and bottles for two hours, yet nobody seems to be reporting this fact. The useless police looked on as several innocent people were beaten up by a rampaging mob, while Assistant (Police) Commissioner Stephen Leane actually had the nerve to blame "right-wing" protesters, Milo Yiannopoulos and the organisers of the event while defending the African mob who perpetrated the entire debacle. ..... "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtdo0suxkKs

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Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:37pm:

" ..... xcellent write up of Monday's events. I was there, and stayed for the African Muslim riot afterwards. No mention of that in the MSM. 200 African savages pelting innocent bystanders and police with bricks and bottles for two hours, yet nobody seems to be reporting this fact. The useless police looked on as several innocent people were beaten up by a rampaging mob, while Assistant (Police) Commissioner Stephen Leane actually had the nerve to blame "right-wing" protesters, Milo Yiannopoulos and the organisers of the event while defending the African mob who perpetrated the entire debacle. ..... "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtdo0suxkKs

But of course.

The gollywogs did it.

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Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:37pm:

I read it babe. So what?

What do you think of posters who are too scared to answer questions, Homo?

You know, cowering, cringing, arse-covering, spineless jellyfish?

Don't know what you are talking about.

I'm talking about people who refuse to answer questions. What do you think of them?

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Reply #164 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:51pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:37pm:

I read it babe. So what?

What do you think of posters who are too scared to answer questions, Homo?

You know, cowering, cringing, arse-covering, spineless jellyfish?

Don't know what you are talking about.

I'm talking about people who refuse to answer questions. What do you think of them?

You do it all of the time. What can I do about it?

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Reply #165 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:51pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:43pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:37pm:

" ..... xcellent write up of Monday's events. I was there, and stayed for the African Muslim riot afterwards. No mention of that in the MSM. 200 African savages pelting innocent bystanders and police with bricks and bottles for two hours, yet nobody seems to be reporting this fact. The useless police looked on as several innocent people were beaten up by a rampaging mob, while Assistant (Police) Commissioner Stephen Leane actually had the nerve to blame "right-wing" protesters, Milo Yiannopoulos and the organisers of the event while defending the African mob who perpetrated the entire debacle. ..... "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtdo0suxkKs

But of course.

The gollywogs did it.

If you can't do your own research, don't blame me if something turns up that sticks in your craw.

The "gollywogs" turned up after the event, as they are wont to do, because all that lefty screaming had awakened the tribe.

If you pay close attention to the videos posted, you'll also notice the burqas and the union thugs.

What a lovely bunch of coconuts.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Milo and promoters billed for police protection Reply #166 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:56pm That's the 1st I've heard about these African thugs chucking bricks at the police. The media certainly white washed that one. That's why the mass media means nothing to me. It's a joke.
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Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:43pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:37pm:

" ..... xcellent write up of Monday's events. I was there, and stayed for the African Muslim riot afterwards. No mention of that in the MSM. 200 African savages pelting innocent bystanders and police with bricks and bottles for two hours, yet nobody seems to be reporting this fact. The useless police looked on as several innocent people were beaten up by a rampaging mob, while Assistant (Police) Commissioner Stephen Leane actually had the nerve to blame "right-wing" protesters, Milo Yiannopoulos and the organisers of the event while defending the African mob who perpetrated the entire debacle. ..... "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtdo0suxkKs

But of course.

The gollywogs did it.

If you can't do your own research, don't blame me if something turns up that sticks in your craw.

The "gollywogs" turned up after the event, as they are wont to do, because all that lefty screaming had awakened the tribe.

If you pay close attention to the videos posted, you'll also notice the burqas and the union thugs.

What a lovely bunch of coconuts.

I haven't seen videos of any darkies, Lionel. I'm not saying your account didn't happen. I am saying I've seen no statement by the Victorian police that blames right wing protesters. The only statement I've seen blames violent clashes between various groups. In some footage, you can see the police forming a line between them.

I noticed niqabs. Muslims were there to protest Milo's recent call for Australian Muslims to move to the Middle East.

Why anyone would protest a dumb, attention-seeing kid, I'm not sure. People are legitimately worried about the rise of racism. We've spent a good 50 years rallying against racism, and here it is again. We don't want it here. If silly foreign journalists want to come here and lecture us, they can show us all some respect.

Milo sees his voice as a call to arms, and he loves this image of himself. He relishes it. By all accounts, his actual lecture was dull - full of walk-outs. All the action happened outside, which is the role he likes to play.

He won't pay the bill, and the cops know it. They're just rightfully annoyed at some foreigner coming here to stir up racial violence, and they're making a point.

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Reply #168 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 5:22pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:56pm:

That's the 1st I've heard about these African thugs chucking bricks at the police. The media certainly white washed that one. That's why the mass media means nothing to me. It's a joke.

That's why unverified rumours mean so much to you, Homo.

They're a joke too.

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freediver wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 2:10pm:

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Is that a "no, but yes"? He can avoid it quite easily. I doubt he will be paying the bill.

So now you condone breaking the laws you don't agree with???

No Phil. Do try to keep up. Let's try again for a straight answer.

Do you support holding Milo and his associates financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead? Did you simply lie about them not liaising with police to try to justify your "yeah but nah" answer?

Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down free speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

1. No....I hold the promoters responsible for obviously not liaising with police or taking reasonable steps to avoid the violence that they would have or should have known was inevitable....The promoters did nothing to address the civil unrest their event would cause so I think they should pay for their actions....I know you will not be satisfied with this answer because what you fail to understand is the fact protesting is not against the law!!!

2. No....However you cannot avoid the cost of security when you hold an event that you know will court protesters....It is not illegal to protest so I fail to see what all your ranting about violence to shut down free speech is about....The protest is about free speech and the democratic right to voice your opposition....Milo's event was not shut down it was just very poorly organised!!!

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It’s standard procedure for police to bill organisers at commercial events, where their presence is required, from pop concerts to sporting events.

Now how about you give me a straight answer instead of using weasel words....

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What do you propose FD....We ban free speech and prevent people protesting???

What is a reasonable step Phil? Cancelling the talk? Or not telling lies about them failing to coordinate with the police?

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Reply #172 - Dec 10^th, 2017 at 1:47am

freediver wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 12:24am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 2:10pm:

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Is that a "no, but yes"? He can avoid it quite easily. I doubt he will be paying the bill.

So now you condone breaking the laws you don't agree with???

No Phil. Do try to keep up. Let's try again for a straight answer.

Do you support holding Milo and his associates financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead? Did you simply lie about them not liaising with police to try to justify your "yeah but nah" answer?

Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down free speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

1. No....I hold the promoters responsible for obviously not liaising with police or taking reasonable steps to avoid the violence that they would have or should have known was inevitable....The promoters did nothing to address the civil unrest their event would cause so I think they should pay for their actions....I know you will not be satisfied with this answer because what you fail to understand is the fact protesting is not against the law!!!

2. No....However you cannot avoid the cost of security when you hold an event that you know will court protesters....It is not illegal to protest so I fail to see what all your ranting about violence to shut down free speech is about....The protest is about free speech and the democratic right to voice your opposition....Milo's event was not shut down it was just very poorly organised!!!

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It’s standard procedure for police to bill organisers at commercial events, where their presence is required, from pop concerts to sporting events.

Now how about you give me a straight answer instead of using weasel words....

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What do you propose FD....We ban free speech and prevent people protesting???

What is a reasonable step Phil? Cancelling the talk? Or not telling lies about them failing to coordinate with the police?

No answer hey....Yet you demand them from me???

Roll Eyes

I was wrong about the promoters not liaising with police....It is now a case of who is telling the truth....If the promoters are telling the truth then they should not be charged additional costs or be held responsible for any additional resources required to secure the event....It now sounds like the police underestimated the response required and are now reneging on the deal....The fact it is an ALP Government in Victoria might have something to do with it???

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Mr Costas said the only police who mentioned a user-pays system were in NSW before the event in Redfern.

Under Victoria Police's Fees and Charges Regulations act police have the right to charge any event organiser for the use of police resources.

Victoria Police would not comment on Mr Costa's claims the User Pay service was never discussed.

"Victoria Police does not disclose the cost of engaging our services, or the private discussions held as part of the arrangements," spokeswoman Leonie Johnson said.

Fairfax Media understands officers at Redfern station did mention user pay in its meetings with the security team.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/milo-yiannopoulos-tour-organiser-wont-pay-50k-...

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Re: Milo and promoters billed for police protection
Reply #173 - Dec 10^th, 2017 at 7:05am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 12:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:35am:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

The OP makes it sound like Milo cannot be forced to pay the bill, and I do not think he should. We need harsher penalties for people using violence to achieve censorship.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I agree....If you hold an event that needs police protection then you should be charged for that protection or take measures to ensure public safety for all concerned....Protesting is not illegal in Australia!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you in favour of allowing groups like antifa to silence these speakers by making it too expensive for them and their supporters to gather anywhere? Is that really the sort of society you want?

I would be happy if the police arrested the trouble makers (both sides) and charged them with an offence so Milo or anyone else can sue them for the cost of security....If you don't need security you don't have to pay for it!!!

Huh

Why should Milo have to chase them up? Most of the antifa mob are dole bludgers anyway.

Are you saying you are in favour of antifa being able to shut people like Milo down by making it too expensive for them to express their opinion, so long as there is a theoretical possibility of them recovering some of the money?

Or have you simply not thought it through?

I will put it this way....

Milo thinks he is a rock star....If you have Rock concert you must provide security....Milo's concert needed 350 police in riot gear to keep him alive....If Milo and other celebrities who are in a similar position sue these organisations and individuals for the cost of the security then some of these dickheads would think twice about causing trouble....Otherwise you pay the price regardless???

Huh

When was the last time a rock concert needed hundreds of police to protect from people trying to stop the concert?

How are you making a different point? Milo paid for the security inside the premises. He should not have to pay for the police to round up violent antifa morons out on the street.

How is this any different from you promoting the idea that people should be able to use violence and threats of violence to shut down a speaking engagement, by holding the speaker financially accountable for the moronic actions of the opposition crowd out on the street? Are you just going to find another way to say the same stupid thing?

Is this what you actually support Phil? Using violence to shut down free speech? Or are you more the "reject reality and replace it with my own" type?

Promoters have to factor in the cost of security before bringing in dickheads who incite the public....WTF should my taxpayer dollars pay for any cretin to spew crap from any political persuasion....Good on the Victorian police for letting these promoters know there is a price for intollerance!!!

Your tax dollars are being spent on protecting people and property outside the venue from the moronic antifa mob.

Are you having trouble giving a straight answer because you know you are on the wrong side of this one Phil? Let's try again. Do you support the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down hate speech, by making it too expensive to express controversial opinions?

Do you support holding Milo financially accountable for the moronic actions of the imbeciles trying to prevent his talks from going ahead?

I have made my point....When promoters schedule these events the cost of police protection should be factored in....Right, left, black or white I do not care....Why should taxpayers pay for any dickheads to spew their hatred....Otherwise let both sides go at it and pick up the bodies when it's all done and dusted....The very reason for Milo coming here was to stir up sh!t....Let him pay for it IMO!!!

Were Police required outside the venue for the Islamic Peace Conference(a complete oxymoron) in Melbourne last March?

A venue that had speakers or questionable association and known to be of extremist views.

The flyers for which blanked out the faces of any listed female speakers.

And you talk that Milo was solely here to cause/stir up shyte.

What bullshyte.

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Re: Milo and promoters billed for police protection
Reply #174 - Dec 10^th, 2017 at 8:12am

I would expect the "user pays" system only ever applies to large events where the police are required to act like bouncers to manage paying customers. I doubt they ever get anyone to pay for the cost of a protest organised by some other group in opposition to their event. Not sure why the police announced to everyone that they are sending a bill that will not get paid. Perhaps it was a political correctness stunt, but it sends entirely the wrong message.

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Re: Milo and promoters billed for police protection
Reply #175 - Dec 10^th, 2017 at 3:29pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 5:22pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:56pm:

That's the 1st I've heard about these African thugs chucking bricks at the police. The media certainly white washed that one. That's why the mass media means nothing to me. It's a joke.

That's why unverified rumours mean so much to you, Homo.

They're a joke too.

It took a while ....................

But if you pay attention - "gollywogs" are apparent.

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