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The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Dec 5th, 2017 at 4:54pm
 
Here we go, the slippery slide, all aboard.
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Reply #1 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 6:15pm
 
Only thing is, they have Trump
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Reply #2 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:24pm
 
Here is a link to the story if anyone is interested???

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42232162

You do realise that anti discrimination laws already exist that make it an offence to deny services based on someone's sexuality....If we allow this discrimination against one minority then the door is open for others to discriminate against anyone for any religious bullshit they choose to use for justification....These same people would no doubt complain if their business was targeted by one of these minority groups and lost customers....Discrimination should never be condoned and isn't???

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Reply #3 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm
 
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?
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Reply #4 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:47pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:24pm:
Here is a link to the story if anyone is interested???

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42232162

You do realise that anti discrimination laws already exist that make it an offence to deny services based on someone's sexuality....If we allow this discrimination against one minority then the door is open for others to discriminate against anyone for any religious bullshit they choose to use for justification....These same people would no doubt complain if their business was targeted by one of these minority groups and lost customers....Discrimination should never be condoned and isn't???

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So what is wrong with discrimination again?
Do you have a favourite colour?  Food? Music?
Surely every time YOU make a choice YOU discriminate.
If we have freedom of religion as per UN human rights, then how can you say people cannot discriminate based on their religious beliefs?
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Reply #5 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #6 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:56pm
 
Grendel wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:24pm:
Here is a link to the story if anyone is interested???

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42232162

You do realise that anti discrimination laws already exist that make it an offence to deny services based on someone's sexuality....If we allow this discrimination against one minority then the door is open for others to discriminate against anyone for any religious bullshit they choose to use for justification....These same people would no doubt complain if their business was targeted by one of these minority groups and lost customers....Discrimination should never be condoned and isn't???

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If we were to wake up some morning and find that everyone was the same race, creed and color, we would find some other cause for prejudice by noon.
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So what is wrong with discrimination again?
Do you have a favourite colour?  Food? Music?
Surely every time YOU make a choice YOU discriminate.
If we have freedom of religion as per UN human rights, then how can you say people cannot discriminate based on their religious beliefs?
Would you make Muslims eat Pork? Cheesy


I have no problem with people discriminating against colours, food, music or pork!!!

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Reply #7 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.
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freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

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Reply #9 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:17pm
 
The "slippery slope" for society is the normalisation of the various neurosis that prevent people from forming relationships with the opposite sex.
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Reply #10 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.
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Reply #11 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

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Reply #12 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 9:08pm
 
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Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?



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Reply #13 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 2:19am
 
So many of you have gone so far down the road to Bizarro world that you can't see that a business owner once had Rights too. The fair thing is that the Baker in this case loses a sale. Forcing him to perform services he won't do otherwise is a form of Slavery. "We reserve the Right to refuse service to anyone" was once recognized as the owners freedom of choice. Now a pair of rump rangers and the courts of Colorado will probably  force an honest business man to lose his livelihood.
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Reply #14 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 5:13am
 
mortdooley wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 2:19am:
So many of you have gone so far down the road to Bizarro world that you can't see that a business owner once had Rights too. The fair thing is that the Baker in this case loses a sale. Forcing him to perform services he won't do otherwise is a form of Slavery. "We reserve the Right to refuse service to anyone" was once recognized as the owners freedom of choice. Now a pair of rump rangers and the courts of Colorado will probably  force an honest business man to lose his livelihood.


It is illegal to discriminate against a person because of their sexual orientation. They can not refuse to make a cake for a gay couple, just as Raven could not not do the same for a ranga.

The business in question is actually pretty stupid, there is a plethora of reasons they could have used to not make the cake. But they decided to go with the "I don't like faggots" reason.

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Reply #15 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:52am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


Yes.
The buisiness has every right too.
Try and order bacon at a muslim owned KFC. They refuse to serve you.

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Reply #16 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.
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Reply #17 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 9:13am
 
mortdooley wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 2:19am:
So many of you have gone so far down the road to Bizarro world that you can't see that a business owner once had Rights too. The fair thing is that the Baker in this case loses a sale. Forcing him to perform services he won't do otherwise is a form of Slavery. "We reserve the Right to refuse service to anyone" was once recognized as the owners freedom of choice. Now a pair of rump rangers and the courts of Colorado will probably  force an honest business man to lose his livelihood.



I agree let market forces decide. Don't want to sell cakes to gay weddings, forget having my patronage.
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Reply #18 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 9:46am
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 9:13am:
mortdooley wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 2:19am:
So many of you have gone so far down the road to Bizarro world that you can't see that a business owner once had Rights too. The fair thing is that the Baker in this case loses a sale. Forcing him to perform services he won't do otherwise is a form of Slavery. "We reserve the Right to refuse service to anyone" was once recognized as the owners freedom of choice. Now a pair of rump rangers and the courts of Colorado will probably  force an honest business man to lose his livelihood.



1. I agree let market forces decide.

2. Don't want to sell cakes to gay weddings, forget having my patronage.


1. AGREED.

2. MEH!
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Solution:-

"OK - Joe's Patisserie driver here with your wedding cake, Gays... (oops)... stumbled and fell there... SO-RRY!  We'll get you another one next week..... the chef is off sick...."
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I wouldn't want to eat a cake ! forced someone to make. Or any other food for that matter!
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Ye Grappler wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 11:23am:
Solution:-

"OK - Joe's Patisserie driver here with your wedding cake, Gays... (oops)... stumbled and fell there... SO-RRY!  We'll get you another one next week..... the chef is off sick...."
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Thats a see you in court for failure to fulfill contract.
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Lambie brought up the possibility of this happening here on Q&A the other week. Geez society is getting bloody complicated.
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Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!
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Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!


Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?

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greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:09pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!


Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?


You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin Grin
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Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:09pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!


Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?


You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin Grin


How would that get back at them?

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Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:09pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!


Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?


You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin Grin


But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway.
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Why is it all the people worried about the moral fibre of the coutnry by allowing SSM are focussed on masturbation?
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:16pm:
Why is it all the people worried about the moral fibre of the country by allowing SSM are focused on masturbation?


It's a mystery.

And why do all the homophobic males think about men?

When I think about gays, I picture young women, in white cotton panties, kissing each other.

Gordon, Hammer, Herbert, et al, on the other hand, picture two blokes either having anal sex, or giving each other oral pleasure.

I guess we're just different.

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Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:09pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!


Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?


You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin Grin


But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway.

Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:22pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:16pm:
Why is it all the people worried about the moral fibre of the country by allowing SSM are focused on masturbation?


It's a mystery.

And why do all the homophobic males think about men?

When I think about gays, I picture young women, in white cotton panties, kissing each other.

Gordon, Hammer, Herbert, et al, on the other hand, picture two blokes either having anal sex, or giving each other oral pleasure.

I guess we're just different.


No  Pecca. We just don't like people telling us how to think and what to believe.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:24pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:09pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!


Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?


You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin Grin


But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway.

Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go.


Nah they're probably also into scat. Just decorate the cake with these and they'll all run around screaming flapping their arms.
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Reply #33 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:29pm
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:24pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:09pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!


Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?


You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin Grin


But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway.

Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go.


Nah they're probably also into scat. Just decorate the cake with these and they'll all run around screaming flapping their arms.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/23/b3/6b23b3e899690472015361c407a2ac69.jpg



The gays I know don't really have a problem with vaginas.
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Reply #34 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:30pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:25pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:22pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:16pm:
Why is it all the people worried about the moral fibre of the country by allowing SSM are focused on masturbation?


It's a mystery.

And why do all the homophobic males think about men?

When I think about gays, I picture young women, in white cotton panties, kissing each other.

Gordon, Hammer, Herbert, et al, on the other hand, picture two blokes either having anal sex, or giving each other oral pleasure.

I guess we're just different.


No  Pecca.


Yes.

You always think about gay men, when discussing homosexuality.

Why is that?

My mind immediately turns to two women, in bed together.

Yours turns to two men, in a toilet block together.

What's with that?

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Reply #35 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:34pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:29pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:24pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:09pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!


Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?


You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin Grin


But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway.

Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go.


Nah they're probably also into scat. Just decorate the cake with these and they'll all run around screaming flapping their arms.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/23/b3/6b23b3e899690472015361c407a2ac69.jpg



The gays I know don't really have a problem with vaginas.


For the same reason I've never had a problem with being eaten by a t-rex. I've never seen on  Grin Grin Grin
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:29pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:24pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:09pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!


Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?


You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin Grin


But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway.

Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go.


Nah they're probably also into scat. Just decorate the cake with these and they'll all run around screaming flapping their arms.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/23/b3/6b23b3e899690472015361c407a2ac69.jpg



The gays I know don't really have a problem with vaginas.


The gay women I know love them.

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Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:24pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:09pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!


Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?


You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin Grin


But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway.

Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go.


Nah they're probably also into scat. Just decorate the cake with these and they'll all run around screaming flapping their arms.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/23/b3/6b23b3e899690472015361c407a2ac69.jpg
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Reply #38 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:30pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:25pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:22pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:16pm:
Why is it all the people worried about the moral fibre of the country by allowing SSM are focused on masturbation?


It's a mystery.

And why do all the homophobic males think about men?

When I think about gays, I picture young women, in white cotton panties, kissing each other.

Gordon, Hammer, Herbert, et al, on the other hand, picture two blokes either having anal sex, or giving each other oral pleasure.

I guess we're just different.


No  Pecca.


Yes.

You always think about gay men, when discussing homosexuality.

Why is that?

My mind immediately turns to two women, in bed together.

Yours turns to two men, in a toilet block together.

What's with that?


Isn't the topic about p oofters?
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freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #40 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:43pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 
What about if a Muslim baker doesn't want to make a cake for a Christian wedding? Is that allowed?
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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:43pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 
What about if a Muslim baker doesn't want to make a cake for a Christian wedding? Is that allowed?


No....The racial /sexual discrimination act makes it an offence to withhold services to anyone based on their religion, sexual orientation or race....The law applies to everyone at present with or without SSM!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Reply #44 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:53pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:50pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:43pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 
What about if a Muslim baker doesn't want to make a cake for a Christian wedding? Is that allowed?


No....The racial /sexual discrimination act makes it an offence to withhold services to anyone based on their religion, sexual orientation or race....The law applies to everyone at present with or without SSM!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

http://www.humanrights.gov.au/employers/good-practice-good-business-factsheets/r...
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Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

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Reply #46 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:22pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:16pm:
Why is it all the people worried about the moral fibre of the country by allowing SSM are focused on masturbation?


It's a mystery.

And why do all the homophobic males think about men?

When I think about gays, I picture young women, in white cotton panties, kissing each other.

Gordon, Hammer, Herbert, et al, on the other hand, picture two blokes either having anal sex, or giving each other oral pleasure.

I guess we're just different.





Greggy,
this is not a forum to discuss your homosexual fantasies.

Try a gay forum.
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Reply #47 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?
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Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:52am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


Yes.
The buisiness has every right too.
Try and order bacon at a muslim owned KFC. They refuse to serve you.



WTF....Firstly a Muslim owned KFC would probably not have bacon on the menu so you could not order it anyway and if they did have bacon on the menu why would they refuse to sell it....You are taking the piss right???

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Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


No one is forcing you to buy from an Halal butcher....It is up to the individual if they want to purchase certain products....You people are kidding right???

Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #50 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:05pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:04pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


No one is forcing you to buy from an Halal butcher....It is up to the individual if they want to purchase certain products....You people are kidding right???

Huh Huh Huh

If it was just a halal butcher I wouldn't have a problem. But now it's on loads of items we've been eating for years. Isn't that discrimination against Christians?
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Reply #51 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

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Reply #52 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink
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Reply #53 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:10pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:04pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


No one is forcing you to buy from an Halal butcher....It is up to the individual if they want to purchase certain products....You people are kidding right???

Huh Huh Huh

If it was just a halal butcher I wouldn't have a problem. But now it's on loads of items we've been eating for years. Isn't that discrimination against Christians?


All Halal products are labelled as such so those wishing to purchase the product know it is certified Halal....I cannot believe you could not work that out for yourself???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #54 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:14pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink


Time for Hammer to change the subject.

Stand by for "Halal funds terrorism".

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Reply #55 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

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Reply #56 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 5:04pm
 
cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....



Don't worry Cods, if it is not labelled Halal then it won't be Halal....How do you think people would be able to tell it is certified Halal if it is not labelled....Do you think they guess???

Huh Huh Huh
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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #57 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 5:12pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 5:04pm:
cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....



Don't worry Cods, if it is not labelled Halal then it won't be Halal....How do you think people would be able to tell it is certified Halal if it is not labelled....Do you think they guess???

Huh Huh Huh



not at all pet.....not at all.. I keep reading where shops now sell HALAL meat... so I assume that means all meat sold on  premises  as how the hell would you know... if they run out of halal sausages they didnt pop in a few unhalal one..  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


just sayin thats all....you would need to be very trustworthy  cant think of anyone these days I would give that Label too!!!! Smiley Smiley
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you must have huge faith in labels phil!
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Reply #59 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 5:29pm
 
Cake maker.... "sorry homos but the dog ate it"
This will set a precedent in all sorts of ways and not just for ssm.
Watch the poofs come out of closet and hunt down anyone who have any beliefs different to them, fully backed by the do-gooders, the lawyers are in for a windfall as society gets choked.
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Reply #60 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 5:59pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:04pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


No one is forcing you to buy from an Halal butcher....It is up to the individual if they want to purchase certain products....You people are kidding right???

Huh Huh Huh

If it was just a halal butcher I wouldn't have a problem. But now it's on loads of items we've been eating for years. Isn't that discrimination against Christians?


How? They are not preventing you from buying that product because you are a Christian.

Companies that have a halal certification have done so as part of a business model more then a religious reason. It opens their product to a market of more then a billion people.

Companies exist to make profit. Excluding a potential goldmine of consumers makes little sense.
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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?
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Reply #62 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:26pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh


People should be allowed to discriminate. When you choose a girlfriend, you discriminate. The issue of discrimination is about the government discrimination, not private discrimination.

The only limit I would prescribe is in the case of unfair dismissal, where an employer finds out about a person religion, belief after hiring them based on merit.
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freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people





exactly   everything seems so one sided...

it wont stop at cakes...what if a gay couple wish to hire  the hall for their reception in a church hall....

why should anyone be FORCED into accepting that order for fear of litigation.?  ..

its supposed to be a give and take world...80% of people voted and most voted for this legislation....

they did not vote to create another minority group..

who are expected to put all their religious beliefs aside.. for fear of being sued out of business.

what good does that achieve... more disent more hatred  we dont need...

Gay people took the country to task  asking for a fair deal..... well now the boot is on the other foot....a minority group is asking for a fair deal...

there are plenty of cake makers.. and plenty of churches.....it will I am sure only be a small group that will not accept these orders...

like not going to war because you do not believe in killing...its allowed...and so it should be!
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Reply #64 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:41pm
 
READ THOROUGHLY



jeez wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 4:54pm:
Here we go, the slippery slide, all aboard.



buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:58pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 4:48pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 9:55am:
Turnbull says he'll vote for them even though he doesn't think they're necessary.




... and he's 100% CORRECT

Currently the church can refuse to marry any couple they choose to
Look no further than the catholic church and divorcees
A self employed marriage celebrant has the same right to refuse
As does a wedding cake baker
The latter are retail contracts - and require two parties in agreement to be binding

If a government employed registry office celebrant can't perform his job - as determined by Australian law - it's time he found a new career



Yeah, you're wrong...

https://aclu-co.org/court-rules-bakery-illegally-discriminated-against-gay-coupl...




You're confusing Colorado law, with Australian law

I worked in retail for close to forty years
And as a representative of the company I exercised my legal right NOT to enter into a retail sale contact on many occasions - with many people

I'm sure you've had times when your local publican has applied this right, also ?





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Gosh, I hope they don't discriminate against drunk people.
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Reply #66 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:01pm
 
Try getting into a night club for rich folks if you don't have expensive clothes on. Discrimination is everywhere. I hope it's not only straight white people who are going to be targeted. Australia was once a place so free. Now it's turning into a smacking prison.
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Reply #67 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm
 
cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....



If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?



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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #68 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....



If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?




When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.
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Reply #69 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....



If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?




When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.


Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?
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Reply #70 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....



If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?




When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.


Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.
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Reply #71 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....



If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?




When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.


Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.


Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.
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Reply #72 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....



If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?




When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.


Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.


Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.
I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.
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Reply #73 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:42pm
 
All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake.

It must be the End Times.   Grin
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Reply #74 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....



If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?




When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.


Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.


Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.
I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.


I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?

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Reply #75 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake.

It must be the End Times.   Grin

Because they are pushing this through without thinking about the ordinary aussie business owner Bobby.
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Reply #76 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:45pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....



If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?




When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.


Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.


Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.
I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.


I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?


So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?
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Reply #77 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:47pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....



If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?




When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.


Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.


Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.
I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.


I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?


So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?


It does.

If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it.

Where's the problem?

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Reply #78 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:50pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....



If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?




When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.


Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.


Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.
I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.


I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?


So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?


It does.

If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it.

Where's the problem?


Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before.
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Reply #79 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:51pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake.

It must be the End Times.   Grin


Poofs are calling it the BELL END times.
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Reply #80 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:52pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake.

It must be the End Times.   Grin

Because they are pushing this through without thinking about the ordinary aussie business owner Bobby.



We know what's being pushed.  Wink
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Reply #81 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:53pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:52pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake.

It must be the End Times.   Grin

Because they are pushing this through without thinking about the ordinary aussie business owner Bobby.



We know what's being pushed.  Wink

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Reply #82 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:54pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....



If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?




When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.


Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.


Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.
I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.


I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?


So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?


It does.

If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it.

Where's the problem?


Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before.


There's no problem now.

Buy the products you like, and don't buy the products you don't like.

What could be simpler?
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Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:51pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake.

It must be the End Times.   Grin


Poofs are calling it the BELL END times.


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Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:52pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake.

It must be the End Times.   Grin

Because they are pushing this through without thinking about the ordinary aussie business owner Bobby.



We know what's being pushed.  Wink


And where.... Grin
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Reply #85 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:56pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:54pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....



If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?




When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.


Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.


Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.
I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.


I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?


So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?


It does.

If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it.

Where's the problem?


Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before.


There's no problem now.

Buy the products you like, and don't buy the products you don't like.

What could be simpler?

Well gays can get their cakes done at places agreeable with their lifestyle. It's their consumer choice.
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Reply #86 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:00pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:56pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:52pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake.

It must be the End Times.   Grin

Because they are pushing this through without thinking about the ordinary aussie business owner Bobby.



We know what's being pushed.  Wink


And where.... Grin



Let's not say Lisa but can we agree that it must be the End Times?
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Reply #87 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:03pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:54pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....



If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?




When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.


Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.


Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.
I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.


I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?


So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?


It does.

If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it.

Where's the problem?


Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before.


There's no problem now.

Buy the products you like, and don't buy the products you don't like.

What could be simpler?

Well gays can get their cakes done at places agreeable with their lifestyle. It's their consumer choice.


Absolutely.

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Reply #88 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:04pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:03pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:54pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....



If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?




When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.


Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.


Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.
I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.


I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?


So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?


It does.

If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it.

Where's the problem?


Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before.


There's no problem now.

Buy the products you like, and don't buy the products you don't like.

What could be simpler?

Well gays can get their cakes done at places agreeable with their lifestyle. It's their consumer choice.


Absolutely.


That's solved then.
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Reply #89 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:05pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:04pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:03pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:54pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.


So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh Huh Huh

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?


Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.



Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink Wink Wink



what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....



If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?




When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.


Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.


Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.
I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.


I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?


So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?


It does.

If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it.

Where's the problem?


Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before.


There's no problem now.

Buy the products you like, and don't buy the products you don't like.

What could be simpler?

Well gays can get their cakes done at places agreeable with their lifestyle. It's their consumer choice.


Absolutely.


That's solved then.


I didn't see a problem in the first place.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
I didn't see a problem in the first place.





Greggy,

can you learn how to wipe out the last 20 posts in reply
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greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
I didn't see a problem in the first place.





Greggy,

can you learn how to wipe out the last 20 posts in reply
& just include your answer?


Why - it annoys the hell out of Herbie?
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Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:00pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:56pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:52pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake.

It must be the End Times.   Grin

Because they are pushing this through without thinking about the ordinary aussie business owner Bobby.



We know what's being pushed.  Wink


And where.... Grin



Let's not say Lisa but can we agree that it must be the End Times?


Rear end time even  Grin
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Rear end time even  Grin



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Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:40pm:
Rear end time even  Grin



Don't say that when Greggy is around.  Grin


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Wednesday, 30 October, 1946:-

At Coleshill, Warwickshire, Ellen May Young, a paint sprayer, was committed for trial for her subterfuge in marrying, in the roman catholic church in the village of Baddesley Clinton, Irene Mary Palmer whom she had met at waterloo station.  Ellen had posed as an ex-RAF pilot, called herself Stanley and written more than thirty passionate letters to her fiance`.


Argh, aye, m'lud... that thar gay marriage be unlawful!  'Ang 'er and 'ang 'er HIGH!

Just saying - no gay wedding cake there......  Tongue
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All seafood is Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....All fruit and vegetables are Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....There is no need to label these products but if you have a problem eating Halal perhaps you should avoid fish and chips in future???

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #100 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:03pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?


Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?
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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #101 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:06pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 9:13am:
All seafood is Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....All fruit and vegetables are Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....There is no need to label these products but if you have a problem eating Halal perhaps you should avoid fish and chips in future???

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So Christians have no choice?
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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #102 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:21pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 9:13am:
All seafood is Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....All fruit and vegetables are Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....There is no need to label these products but if you have a problem eating Halal perhaps you should avoid fish and chips in future???

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So Christians have no choice?


In what?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #103 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:11pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 9:13am:
All seafood is Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....All fruit and vegetables are Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....There is no need to label these products but if you have a problem eating Halal perhaps you should avoid fish and chips in future???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

So Christians have no choice?


No....If you eat a prawn with chilli it is Halal....It does not matter how the prawn or chilli was killed!!!

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #104 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?


Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?


Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #105 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:38pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?


Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?


Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




What about if a Muslim catering company knocks back a Christian wedding job? Is that allowed?
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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #106 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:40pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?


Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?


Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




What about if a Muslim catering company knocks back a Christian wedding job? Is that allowed?


What's their reason for knocking it back?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #107 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:50pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:40pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?


Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?


Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




What about if a Muslim catering company knocks back a Christian wedding job? Is that allowed?


What's their reason for knocking it back?


Religious reasons. What about if a Christian cross wearing woman gets sacked from a Islamic  school because of her religion. It's happened here.
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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #108 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:51pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:40pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?


Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?


Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




What about if a Muslim catering company knocks back a Christian wedding job? Is that allowed?


What's their reason for knocking it back?


Religious reasons. What about if a Christian cross wearing woman gets sacked from a Islamic  school because of her religion. It's happened here.


Link?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
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what about this-

School principal sacked over female exclusion
Updated: 9:12 am, Friday, 3 March 2017



The principal and deputy principal of Punchbowl Boys High School in Sydney have been dumped after it was revealed female teachers were excluded from taking part in official events at the largely Muslim public school.
The NSW Education Department confirmed Principal Chris Griffiths and deputy principal Joumana Dennaoiu were removed from their roles after an investigation into the school.
The Australian reports a decision was made at the school to exclude female teachers from taking official roles in the Year 12 graduation ceremony and annual presentation day at the end of last year.
Mr Griffiths took over the role as principal from Jihad Dib, who is now the now the state Labor MP for Lakemba, in 2015.
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Non-Muslim staff told to wear headscarves in Adelaide
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An Islamic College in Adelaide has threatened to dismiss its non-Muslim female staff if they don't wear headscarves, as critics say it's wrong to compel women to identify with a religion they don't practice.
Updated
Updated 26 August 2013
An Adelaide school's dress policy has exposed a grey area in Australia's discrimination laws.

The Adelaide Islamic College has long had an unwritten rule that female staff would wear hijab or if they weren't Muslim, headscarves.

The last principal had relaxed that rule. Now the board has reinforced the dress code policy in writing.
The school has been told by its lawyers not to comment. SBS understands one staffer was warned of dismissal if she didn't abide by the new code.

The union says this is plainly wrong.
"People who've been employed at that school for many years have been able to dress modestly without any particular problem, but this redefining under the threat of sacking is quite extreme and we don't agree with it", says Glen Seidel from the Independent Education Union.
"People who have been quite openly employed as not Muslim are being forced to identify within the community as if they are," added Mr Seidel. "There has to be a more sensible way of getting the modesty requirement sorted without the religious identity".
Minister for Education and Multicultural Affairs Jennifer Rankin says this situation highlights a grey area in the legislation.
"Our ambulance officers wear uniforms, our nurses wear uniforms, this is slightly different as in this is a religious school and obviously they have standards they want upheld, so it's an unusual circumstance where we've got a situation allegedly where someone is being asked to wear hijab rather than remove the hijab".
"Whether it's the equal opportunity act in terms of discrimination or the Fair Work Act, I think it's premature to say," said Ms Rankin. "I think it could be a test case in one or two jurisdictions and yet to be clear about which or both".
There are also implications for the school's funding.
"We provide them with something like 23 per cent of their funding, and in that contract obviously it is an obligation to abide by the laws of South Australia," said Minister Rankin.
The school is facing a tricky task, balancing its religious ideals with the individual's right to choose what, if any, religious identity they display.

Source: SBS
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Reply #111 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:07pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
what about this-


Hang on a minute.

Let's tackle the one about the Christian cross wearing woman was sacked from a Islamic school because of her religion first.

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Reply #112 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:38pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
Non-Muslim staff told to wear headscarves in Adelaide
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An Islamic College in Adelaide has threatened to dismiss its non-Muslim female staff if they don't wear headscarves, as critics say it's wrong to compel women to identify with a religion they don't practice.
Updated
Updated 26 August 2013
An Adelaide school's dress policy has exposed a grey area in Australia's discrimination laws.

The Adelaide Islamic College has long had an unwritten rule that female staff would wear hijab or if they weren't Muslim, headscarves.

The last principal had relaxed that rule. Now the board has reinforced the dress code policy in writing.
The school has been told by its lawyers not to comment. SBS understands one staffer was warned of dismissal if she didn't abide by the new code.

The union says this is plainly wrong.
"People who've been employed at that school for many years have been able to dress modestly without any particular problem, but this redefining under the threat of sacking is quite extreme and we don't agree with it", says Glen Seidel from the Independent Education Union.
"People who have been quite openly employed as not Muslim are being forced to identify within the community as if they are," added Mr Seidel. "There has to be a more sensible way of getting the modesty requirement sorted without the religious identity".
Minister for Education and Multicultural Affairs Jennifer Rankin says this situation highlights a grey area in the legislation.
"Our ambulance officers wear uniforms, our nurses wear uniforms, this is slightly different as in this is a religious school and obviously they have standards they want upheld, so it's an unusual circumstance where we've got a situation allegedly where someone is being asked to wear hijab rather than remove the hijab".
"Whether it's the equal opportunity act in terms of discrimination or the Fair Work Act, I think it's premature to say," said Ms Rankin. "I think it could be a test case in one or two jurisdictions and yet to be clear about which or both".
There are also implications for the school's funding.
"We provide them with something like 23 per cent of their funding, and in that contract obviously it is an obligation to abide by the laws of South Australia," said Minister Rankin.
The school is facing a tricky task, balancing its religious ideals with the individual's right to choose what, if any, religious identity they display.

Source: SBS


They're a private school; they can set whatever rules they want for their staff.
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Religious reasons. What about if a Christian cross wearing woman gets sacked from a Islamic  school because of her religion. It's happened here.



I noticed on last night's news, a young male teacher was sacked from a tax-payer funded 'christian' school
- when the board discovered he didn't f*ck women on his days off

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/youre-gay-youre-out-gay-teacher-sacked-due-to-...



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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 9:13am:
All seafood is Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....All fruit and vegetables are Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....There is no need to label these products but if you have a problem eating Halal perhaps you should avoid fish and chips in future???

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So Christians have no choice?


No....If you eat a prawn with chilli it is Halal....It does not matter how the prawn or chilli was killed!!!

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well mothra isnt here at this time phil.. but I think she would beg to differ on the prawn issue.....

I am more interested in who of our members is goin g to be the first to wed??>. Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley

come on guys and gals fez up time...wedding bells at ozpol.. Kiss Kiss..

we love love and weddings dont we all????>.
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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?


Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?


Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes





I have never heard of the decency defence. Is that what they used to use for lynching gays? Do you think orgies might have something to do with sexuality?

Can a cake shop refuse to sell gay cakes, so long as they refuse to sell them to straight couples also?
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I have never heard of the decency defence. Is that what they used to use for lynching gays? Do you think orgies might have something to do with sexuality?

Can a cake shop refuse to sell gay cakes, so long as they refuse to sell them to straight couples also?



dear FD,
it's all nonsense.
gays can just buy a homosexual cake from a gay baker -
it's that simple -
it's all getting too ridiculous for words.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
Non-Muslim staff told to wear headscarves in Adelaide
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An Islamic College in Adelaide has threatened to dismiss its non-Muslim female staff if they don't wear headscarves, as critics say it's wrong to compel women to identify with a religion they don't practice.
Updated
Updated 26 August 2013
An Adelaide school's dress policy has exposed a grey area in Australia's discrimination laws.

The Adelaide Islamic College has long had an unwritten rule that female staff would wear hijab or if they weren't Muslim, headscarves.

The last principal had relaxed that rule. Now the board has reinforced the dress code policy in writing.
The school has been told by its lawyers not to comment. SBS understands one staffer was warned of dismissal if she didn't abide by the new code.

The union says this is plainly wrong.
"People who've been employed at that school for many years have been able to dress modestly without any particular problem, but this redefining under the threat of sacking is quite extreme and we don't agree with it", says Glen Seidel from the Independent Education Union.
"People who have been quite openly employed as not Muslim are being forced to identify within the community as if they are," added Mr Seidel. "There has to be a more sensible way of getting the modesty requirement sorted without the religious identity".
Minister for Education and Multicultural Affairs Jennifer Rankin says this situation highlights a grey area in the legislation.
"Our ambulance officers wear uniforms, our nurses wear uniforms, this is slightly different as in this is a religious school and obviously they have standards they want upheld, so it's an unusual circumstance where we've got a situation allegedly where someone is being asked to wear hijab rather than remove the hijab".
"Whether it's the equal opportunity act in terms of discrimination or the Fair Work Act, I think it's premature to say," said Ms Rankin. "I think it could be a test case in one or two jurisdictions and yet to be clear about which or both".
There are also implications for the school's funding.
"We provide them with something like 23 per cent of their funding, and in that contract obviously it is an obligation to abide by the laws of South Australia," said Minister Rankin.
The school is facing a tricky task, balancing its religious ideals with the individual's right to choose what, if any, religious identity they display.

Source: SBS


They're a private school; they can set whatever rules they want for their staff.


Isn't religious freedom to discriminate what some people want???

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freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 8:30pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?


Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?


Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes





I have never heard of the decency defence. Is that what they used to use for lynching gays? Do you think orgies might have something to do with sexuality?

Can a cake shop refuse to sell gay cakes, so long as they refuse to sell them to straight couples also?


Let me explain it this way....If your spear fishing business only caters for spear fishing tours spearing dolphins and stuff and some people want to charter your dingi for some whale watching you could refuse because you do not offer that service....If you refuse because someone is gay and you tell them you don't service queers you could be in trouble!!!

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Reply #119 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 10:30pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 9:32pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 8:30pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?


Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?


Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes





I have never heard of the decency defence. Is that what they used to use for lynching gays? Do you think orgies might have something to do with sexuality?

Can a cake shop refuse to sell gay cakes, so long as they refuse to sell them to straight couples also?


Let me explain it this way....If your spear fishing business only caters for spear fishing tours spearing dolphins and stuff and some people want to charter your dingi for some whale watching you could refuse because you do not offer that service....If you refuse because someone is gay and you tell them you don't service queers you could be in trouble!!!

Wink Wink Wink


But I would be fine if I refused on the grounds that I consider anal sex indecent?
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freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 10:30pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 9:32pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 8:30pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?


Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?


Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes





I have never heard of the decency defence. Is that what they used to use for lynching gays? Do you think orgies might have something to do with sexuality?

Can a cake shop refuse to sell gay cakes, so long as they refuse to sell them to straight couples also?


Let me explain it this way....If your spear fishing business only caters for spear fishing tours spearing dolphins and stuff and some people want to charter your dingi for some whale watching you could refuse because you do not offer that service....If you refuse because someone is gay and you tell them you don't service queers you could be in trouble!!!

Wink Wink Wink


But I would be fine if I refused on the grounds that I consider anal sex indecent?


Sure you would....You could also use the defence I thought he was a Muslim as a two edged sword!!!

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Has the world ended yet?


One more month to go.

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Pity it didn't hit the footpath... sorry... sidewalk....
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 9:11am:
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Ye Gods - sensible people are trying to get out of marriage, which shows the gay community are nuts as advertised.

This'll be hilarious.... I'll lay in a supply of popcorn and await the usual suspect nonsense that will go on, with cake bakers being taken to court and churches vilified and parodied and an honour guard in chaps....  Huh
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Pity it didn't hit the footpath... sorry... sidewalk....

The verge perhaps, the dogs will clean it up no matter where it may or may not fall intentionally or unintentionally as the case may be.
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Non-Muslim staff told to wear headscarves in Adelaide
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An Islamic College in Adelaide has threatened to dismiss its non-Muslim female staff if they don't wear headscarves, as critics say it's wrong to compel women to identify with a religion they don't practice.
Updated
Updated 26 August 2013
An Adelaide school's dress policy has exposed a grey area in Australia's discrimination laws.

The Adelaide Islamic College has long had an unwritten rule that female staff would wear hijab or if they weren't Muslim, headscarves.

The last principal had relaxed that rule. Now the board has reinforced the dress code policy in writing.
The school has been told by its lawyers not to comment. SBS understands one staffer was warned of dismissal if she didn't abide by the new code.

The union says this is plainly wrong.
"People who've been employed at that school for many years have been able to dress modestly without any particular problem, but this redefining under the threat of sacking is quite extreme and we don't agree with it", says Glen Seidel from the Independent Education Union.
"People who have been quite openly employed as not Muslim are being forced to identify within the community as if they are," added Mr Seidel. "There has to be a more sensible way of getting the modesty requirement sorted without the religious identity".
Minister for Education and Multicultural Affairs Jennifer Rankin says this situation highlights a grey area in the legislation.
"Our ambulance officers wear uniforms, our nurses wear uniforms, this is slightly different as in this is a religious school and obviously they have standards they want upheld, so it's an unusual circumstance where we've got a situation allegedly where someone is being asked to wear hijab rather than remove the hijab".
"Whether it's the equal opportunity act in terms of discrimination or the Fair Work Act, I think it's premature to say," said Ms Rankin. "I think it could be a test case in one or two jurisdictions and yet to be clear about which or both".
There are also implications for the school's funding.
"We provide them with something like 23 per cent of their funding, and in that contract obviously it is an obligation to abide by the laws of South Australia," said Minister Rankin.
The school is facing a tricky task, balancing its religious ideals with the individual's right to choose what, if any, religious identity they display.

Source: SBS


They're a private school; they can set whatever rules they want for their staff.


Isn't religious freedom to discriminate what some people want???

Huh Huh Huh


Private individuals and small businesses should be allowed to discriminate against whomever they wish. If I walked into a baker's shop, and the owner said to me: "sorry mate, your skin colour is brown, get out of my shop, I would be slightly upset, but I would respect that person's right to kick me out of his/her shop.

Now, corporations, which are incorporated objects have no natural rights - natural rights only applies to individual persons, and also small businesses which have an individualised component. For e.g. the government would be well within its rights to regulate the rights of Google as a company but not the actions of a independent baker; but not 'Baker's Delight' or another chain, which has an 'individual' component to it.
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The end of the world is scheduled for January 9, 2018


Gay men are being urged to get vaccinated against meningococcal disease after a sudden outbreak in Melbourne.

Meningococcal disease:

There are five main strains of meningococcal disease: A, C, W, Y and B
The disease is uncommon but serious
Meningococcal bacteria is passed on through regular close, prolonged or intimate contact with infected secretions from the back of the nose and throat
The bacteria can develop into invasive meningococcal disease
Symptoms include fever, headache, loss of appetite, nausea, neck stiffness, discomfort when looking at bright lights
Source: Better Health Victoria
Health authorities are offering a free vaccine from next week after eight men were struck down with the disease's C-strain since May.

Victoria's deputy chief health officer, Brett Sutton, said almost all the patients identified as gay or bisexual.

"Eight doesn't sound like a big number, but if this were to affect the whole of Melbourne at the same rate as it's affected men who have sex with men, we'd be talking about a couple of hundred cases over a few months," he said.

"My message to this group in the community is simple: If you are vaccinated, you protect yourself and others around you by reducing the spread of the disease."
Meningococcal disease is uncommon but it can be deadly.

Meningococcal bacteria under the microscope.
PHOTO: Authorities think the bacteria was transmitted through kissing. (Supplied: Healthdirect.gov.au)
Ten per cent of cases are fatal within 24 to 48 hours of diagnosis.

The bacteria lives in the throat and nose and is passed on through close and prolonged contact.

"That includes intimate kissing and we think that's what's dr

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bwood1946 wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 12:46pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 9:23am:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 9:11am:
Has the world ended yet?


One more month to go.

The end of the world is scheduled for January 9, 2018


Gay men are being urged to get vaccinated against meningococcal disease after a sudden outbreak in Melbourne.

Meningococcal disease:

There are five main strains of meningococcal disease: A, C, W, Y and B
The disease is uncommon but serious
Meningococcal bacteria is passed on through regular close, prolonged or intimate contact with infected secretions from the back of the nose and throat
The bacteria can develop into invasive meningococcal disease
Symptoms include fever, headache, loss of appetite, nausea, neck stiffness, discomfort when looking at bright lights
Source: Better Health Victoria
Health authorities are offering a free vaccine from next week after eight men were struck down with the disease's C-strain since May.

Victoria's deputy chief health officer, Brett Sutton, said almost all the patients identified as gay or bisexual.

"Eight doesn't sound like a big number, but if this were to affect the whole of Melbourne at the same rate as it's affected men who have sex with men, we'd be talking about a couple of hundred cases over a few months," he said.

"My message to this group in the community is simple: If you are vaccinated, you protect yourself and others around you by reducing the spread of the disease."
Meningococcal disease is uncommon but it can be deadly.

Meningococcal bacteria under the microscope.
PHOTO: Authorities think the bacteria was transmitted through kissing. (Supplied: Healthdirect.gov.au)
Ten per cent of cases are fatal within 24 to 48 hours of diagnosis.

The bacteria lives in the throat and nose and is passed on through close and prolonged contact.

"That includes intimate kissing and we think that's what's dr

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freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 10:30pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 9:32pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 8:30pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

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Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

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You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?


Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?


Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

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I have never heard of the decency defence. Is that what they used to use for lynching gays? Do you think orgies might have something to do with sexuality?

Can a cake shop refuse to sell gay cakes, so long as they refuse to sell them to straight couples also?


Let me explain it this way....If your spear fishing business only caters for spear fishing tours spearing dolphins and stuff and some people want to charter your dingi for some whale watching you could refuse because you do not offer that service....If you refuse because someone is gay and you tell them you don't service queers you could be in trouble!!!

Wink Wink Wink


But I would be fine if I refused on the grounds that I consider anal sex indecent?


Sure you would....You could also use the defence I thought he was a Muslim as a two edged sword!!!

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freediver wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 12:51pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 7:29am:
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 10:30pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 9:32pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 8:30pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?


Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?


Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

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I have never heard of the decency defence. Is that what they used to use for lynching gays? Do you think orgies might have something to do with sexuality?

Can a cake shop refuse to sell gay cakes, so long as they refuse to sell them to straight couples also?


Let me explain it this way....If your spear fishing business only caters for spear fishing tours spearing dolphins and stuff and some people want to charter your dingi for some whale watching you could refuse because you do not offer that service....If you refuse because someone is gay and you tell them you don't service queers you could be in trouble!!!

Wink Wink Wink


But I would be fine if I refused on the grounds that I consider anal sex indecent?


Sure you would....You could also use the defence I thought he was a Muslim as a two edged sword!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Are you having trouble making up your mind Phil?


No....Are you having trouble understanding the law FD???

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Non-Muslim staff told to wear headscarves in Adelaide
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An Islamic College in Adelaide has threatened to dismiss its non-Muslim female staff if they don't wear headscarves, as critics say it's wrong to compel women to identify with a religion they don't practice.
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Updated 26 August 2013
An Adelaide school's dress policy has exposed a grey area in Australia's discrimination laws.

The Adelaide Islamic College has long had an unwritten rule that female staff would wear hijab or if they weren't Muslim, headscarves.

The last principal had relaxed that rule. Now the board has reinforced the dress code policy in writing.
The school has been told by its lawyers not to comment. SBS understands one staffer was warned of dismissal if she didn't abide by the new code.

The union says this is plainly wrong.
"People who've been employed at that school for many years have been able to dress modestly without any particular problem, but this redefining under the threat of sacking is quite extreme and we don't agree with it", says Glen Seidel from the Independent Education Union.
"People who have been quite openly employed as not Muslim are being forced to identify within the community as if they are," added Mr Seidel. "There has to be a more sensible way of getting the modesty requirement sorted without the religious identity".
Minister for Education and Multicultural Affairs Jennifer Rankin says this situation highlights a grey area in the legislation.
"Our ambulance officers wear uniforms, our nurses wear uniforms, this is slightly different as in this is a religious school and obviously they have standards they want upheld, so it's an unusual circumstance where we've got a situation allegedly where someone is being asked to wear hijab rather than remove the hijab".
"Whether it's the equal opportunity act in terms of discrimination or the Fair Work Act, I think it's premature to say," said Ms Rankin. "I think it could be a test case in one or two jurisdictions and yet to be clear about which or both".
There are also implications for the school's funding.
"We provide them with something like 23 per cent of their funding, and in that contract obviously it is an obligation to abide by the laws of South Australia," said Minister Rankin.
The school is facing a tricky task, balancing its religious ideals with the individual's right to choose what, if any, religious identity they display.

Source: SBS


They're a private school; they can set whatever rules they want for their staff.


Isn't religious freedom to discriminate what some people want???

Huh Huh Huh


Private individuals and small businesses should be allowed to discriminate against whomever they wish. If I walked into a baker's shop, and the owner said to me: "sorry mate, your skin colour is brown, get out of my shop, I would be slightly upset, but I would respect that person's right to kick me out of his/her shop.

Now, corporations, which are incorporated objects have no natural rights - natural rights only applies to individual persons, and also small businesses which have an individualised component. For e.g. the government would be well within its rights to regulate the rights of Google as a company but not the actions of a independent baker; but not 'Baker's Delight' or another chain, which has an 'individual' component to it.


You don't know what respect is mate....Not so long ago in the United States they had a system you are advocating for where Negro's where not allowed to ride on a bus with white people, drink from the same fountain or allowed into certain shops / stores (n!ggers keep out)....If this is the type of Society you want then you are going to be disappointed because it ain't gonna happen mate....Perhaps you should migrate to South Africa!!!

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How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?
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How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?


I'm not sure and I could easily be wrong but I seem to remember the cake buyer wanting Adam and Steve dolls on the top not Adam and Eve dolls. If that was the case the whole thing could have been avoided by making the cake and saying we have no Adam and Steve dolls and don't intend ordering any, go buy your own and stick it on top of the cake. But both sides got butt hurt and this is where it is at now.
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How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?


I'm not sure and I could easily be wrong but I seem to remember the cake buyer wanting Adam and Steve dolls on the top not Adam and Eve dolls. If that was the case the whole thing could have been avoided by making the cake and saying we have no Adam and Steve dolls and don't intend ordering any, go buy your own and stick it on top of the cake. But both sides got butt hurt and this is where it is at now.



The Bible talks about the family -

it talks about Adam and Eve not

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lee wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 9:01pm:
How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?


I'm not sure and I could easily be wrong but I seem to remember the cake buyer wanting Adam and Steve dolls on the top not Adam and Eve dolls. If that was the case the whole thing could have been avoided by making the cake and saying we have no Adam and Steve dolls and don't intend ordering any, go buy your own and stick it on top of the cake. But both sides got butt hurt and this is where it is at now.



The Bible talks about the family -

it talks about Adam and Eve not

Adam and Steve.


Would you eat the icing on a gay wedding cake? Hate to think what it's made of.
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lee wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 9:01pm:
How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?


I'm not sure and I could easily be wrong but I seem to remember the cake buyer wanting Adam and Steve dolls on the top not Adam and Eve dolls. If that was the case the whole thing could have been avoided by making the cake and saying we have no Adam and Steve dolls and don't intend ordering any, go buy your own and stick it on top of the cake. But both sides got butt hurt and this is where it is at now.


That's what I was thinking to, but I have not been able to find any references to it.
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How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?


It was caught trying to mate with another wedding cake???

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lee wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 9:01pm:
How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?


I'm not sure and I could easily be wrong but I seem to remember the cake buyer wanting Adam and Steve dolls on the top not Adam and Eve dolls. If that was the case the whole thing could have been avoided by making the cake and saying we have no Adam and Steve dolls and don't intend ordering any, go buy your own and stick it on top of the cake. But both sides got butt hurt and this is where it is at now.



The Bible talks about the family -

it talks about Adam and Eve not

Adam and Steve.


Would you eat the icing on a gay wedding cake? Hate to think what it's made of.



I wouldn't be caught dead at a homosexual wedding
yet alone eating a homosexual cake.
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How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?


It was caught trying to mate with another wedding cake???

Huh Huh Huh


The cake had AIDS and was covered in kaposi sarcomas.
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How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?


It was caught trying to mate with another wedding cake???

Huh Huh Huh


The cake had AIDS and was covered in kaposi sarcomas.


They weren't chocolate drops then?
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It had two pricks arguing the point and no cont around to give a normal response.............
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Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 9:44pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
lee wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 9:01pm:
How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?


I'm not sure and I could easily be wrong but I seem to remember the cake buyer wanting Adam and Steve dolls on the top not Adam and Eve dolls. If that was the case the whole thing could have been avoided by making the cake and saying we have no Adam and Steve dolls and don't intend ordering any, go buy your own and stick it on top of the cake. But both sides got butt hurt and this is where it is at now.



The Bible talks about the family -

it talks about Adam and Eve not

Adam and Steve.


Would you eat the icing on a gay wedding cake? Hate to think what it's made of.



I wouldn't be caught dead at a homosexual wedding
yet alone eating a homosexual cake.


What about a double layer fruit cake with nuts on top Bobby....Nice????

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lee wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 9:01pm:
How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?


It was caught trying to mate with another wedding cake???

Huh Huh Huh


In updated news....The owner of the gay wedding cake said that this behaviour was disgusting and unacceptable....There was a perfectly adorable Black Forest Cake available and just imaging if this behaviour caught on to the Custard Tarts....The owner assured customers the gay wedding cake has been put back in it's box!!!

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Non-Muslim staff told to wear headscarves in Adelaide
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An Islamic College in Adelaide has threatened to dismiss its non-Muslim female staff if they don't wear headscarves, as critics say it's wrong to compel women to identify with a religion they don't practice.
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Updated 26 August 2013
An Adelaide school's dress policy has exposed a grey area in Australia's discrimination laws.

The Adelaide Islamic College has long had an unwritten rule that female staff would wear hijab or if they weren't Muslim, headscarves.

The last principal had relaxed that rule. Now the board has reinforced the dress code policy in writing.
The school has been told by its lawyers not to comment. SBS understands one staffer was warned of dismissal if she didn't abide by the new code.

The union says this is plainly wrong.
"People who've been employed at that school for many years have been able to dress modestly without any particular problem, but this redefining under the threat of sacking is quite extreme and we don't agree with it", says Glen Seidel from the Independent Education Union.
"People who have been quite openly employed as not Muslim are being forced to identify within the community as if they are," added Mr Seidel. "There has to be a more sensible way of getting the modesty requirement sorted without the religious identity".
Minister for Education and Multicultural Affairs Jennifer Rankin says this situation highlights a grey area in the legislation.
"Our ambulance officers wear uniforms, our nurses wear uniforms, this is slightly different as in this is a religious school and obviously they have standards they want upheld, so it's an unusual circumstance where we've got a situation allegedly where someone is being asked to wear hijab rather than remove the hijab".
"Whether it's the equal opportunity act in terms of discrimination or the Fair Work Act, I think it's premature to say," said Ms Rankin. "I think it could be a test case in one or two jurisdictions and yet to be clear about which or both".
There are also implications for the school's funding.
"We provide them with something like 23 per cent of their funding, and in that contract obviously it is an obligation to abide by the laws of South Australia," said Minister Rankin.
The school is facing a tricky task, balancing its religious ideals with the individual's right to choose what, if any, religious identity they display.

Source: SBS


They're a private school; they can set whatever rules they want for their staff.


Isn't religious freedom to discriminate what some people want???

Huh Huh Huh


Private individuals and small businesses should be allowed to discriminate against whomever they wish. If I walked into a baker's shop, and the owner said to me: "sorry mate, your skin colour is brown, get out of my shop, I would be slightly upset, but I would respect that person's right to kick me out of his/her shop.

Now, corporations, which are incorporated objects have no natural rights - natural rights only applies to individual persons, and also small businesses which have an individualised component. For e.g. the government would be well within its rights to regulate the rights of Google as a company but not the actions of a independent baker; but not 'Baker's Delight' or another chain, which has an 'individual' component to it.


You don't know what respect is mate....Not so long ago in the United States they had a system you are advocating for where Negro's where not allowed to ride on a bus with white people, drink from the same fountain or allowed into certain shops / stores (n!ggers keep out)....If this is the type of Society you want then you are going to be disappointed because it ain't gonna happen mate....Perhaps you should migrate to South Africa!!!

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You’re conflating two different things, Phil.

First, segregation was about denying equal access to public facilities. I wasn’t talking about public facilities, I was taking about private individuals and small/family businesses only. Large corporations shouldn’t be allowed to discriminate since corporations aren’t people.

A small/family business refusing to serve me doesn’t mean that I can’t travel on a public bus.
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Reply #146 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 12:42pm
 
AugCaesarustus wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 9:38pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 7:06pm:
AugCaesarustus wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 12:20pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 9:13pm:
AugCaesarustus wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:38pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
Non-Muslim staff told to wear headscarves in Adelaide
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An Islamic College in Adelaide has threatened to dismiss its non-Muslim female staff if they don't wear headscarves, as critics say it's wrong to compel women to identify with a religion they don't practice.
Updated
Updated 26 August 2013
An Adelaide school's dress policy has exposed a grey area in Australia's discrimination laws.

The Adelaide Islamic College has long had an unwritten rule that female staff would wear hijab or if they weren't Muslim, headscarves.

The last principal had relaxed that rule. Now the board has reinforced the dress code policy in writing.
The school has been told by its lawyers not to comment. SBS understands one staffer was warned of dismissal if she didn't abide by the new code.

The union says this is plainly wrong.
"People who've been employed at that school for many years have been able to dress modestly without any particular problem, but this redefining under the threat of sacking is quite extreme and we don't agree with it", says Glen Seidel from the Independent Education Union.
"People who have been quite openly employed as not Muslim are being forced to identify within the community as if they are," added Mr Seidel. "There has to be a more sensible way of getting the modesty requirement sorted without the religious identity".
Minister for Education and Multicultural Affairs Jennifer Rankin says this situation highlights a grey area in the legislation.
"Our ambulance officers wear uniforms, our nurses wear uniforms, this is slightly different as in this is a religious school and obviously they have standards they want upheld, so it's an unusual circumstance where we've got a situation allegedly where someone is being asked to wear hijab rather than remove the hijab".
"Whether it's the equal opportunity act in terms of discrimination or the Fair Work Act, I think it's premature to say," said Ms Rankin. "I think it could be a test case in one or two jurisdictions and yet to be clear about which or both".
There are also implications for the school's funding.
"We provide them with something like 23 per cent of their funding, and in that contract obviously it is an obligation to abide by the laws of South Australia," said Minister Rankin.
The school is facing a tricky task, balancing its religious ideals with the individual's right to choose what, if any, religious identity they display.

Source: SBS


They're a private school; they can set whatever rules they want for their staff.


Isn't religious freedom to discriminate what some people want???

Huh Huh Huh


Private individuals and small businesses should be allowed to discriminate against whomever they wish. If I walked into a baker's shop, and the owner said to me: "sorry mate, your skin colour is brown, get out of my shop, I would be slightly upset, but I would respect that person's right to kick me out of his/her shop.

Now, corporations, which are incorporated objects have no natural rights - natural rights only applies to individual persons, and also small businesses which have an individualised component. For e.g. the government would be well within its rights to regulate the rights of Google as a company but not the actions of a independent baker; but not 'Baker's Delight' or another chain, which has an 'individual' component to it.


You don't know what respect is mate....Not so long ago in the United States they had a system you are advocating for where Negro's where not allowed to ride on a bus with white people, drink from the same fountain or allowed into certain shops / stores (n!ggers keep out)....If this is the type of Society you want then you are going to be disappointed because it ain't gonna happen mate....Perhaps you should migrate to South Africa!!!

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You’re conflating two different things, Phil.

First, segregation was about denying equal access to public facilities. I wasn’t talking about public facilities, I was taking about private individuals and small/family businesses only. Large corporations shouldn’t be allowed to discriminate since corporations aren’t people.

A small/family business refusing to serve me doesn’t mean that I can’t travel on a public bus.


I used an example of a private enterprise refusing to provide services to minorities that covers your proposition....A shop owner refusing to serve a minority is not respect unless it is respect for everyone's right to be a bigot....You are proposing a General Store in a country town can refuse to serve Aborigines not because they have done anything wrong just because of the colour of their skin....You are proposing we set back the civil rights movement 50 years why, because gay people can get married and you think this is a small way to continue the persecution or is their a more sinister motive???

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Reply #147 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 2:13pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 12:42pm:
I used an example of a private enterprise refusing to provide services to minorities that covers your proposition....A shop owner refusing to serve a minority is not respect unless it is respect for everyone's right to be a bigot....You are proposing a General Store in a country town can refuse to serve Aborigines not because they have done anything wrong just because of the colour of their skin....You are proposing we set back the civil rights movement 50 years why, because gay people can get married and you think this is a small way to continue the persecution or is their a more sinister motive???

Huh Huh Huh


Phil you keep completely ignoring the facts of the case. He was more than happy to serve the gay couple. He was not prepared to create a particular customised product for them.
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Reply #148 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 3:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 2:13pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 12:42pm:
I used an example of a private enterprise refusing to provide services to minorities that covers your proposition....A shop owner refusing to serve a minority is not respect unless it is respect for everyone's right to be a bigot....You are proposing a General Store in a country town can refuse to serve Aborigines not because they have done anything wrong just because of the colour of their skin....You are proposing we set back the civil rights movement 50 years why, because gay people can get married and you think this is a small way to continue the persecution or is their a more sinister motive???

Huh Huh Huh


Phil you keep completely ignoring the facts of the case. He was more than happy to serve the gay couple. He was not prepared to create a particular customised product for them.


Errr....I was responding to another posters comment???

Huh Huh Huh

If you make custom cakes on request you have no legal basis to refuse anyone....Whom do you propose people should be allowed to discriminate against FD and on what basis???

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I want the Muslim cake maker to put this on my cake:

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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 3:18pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 2:13pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 12:42pm:
I used an example of a private enterprise refusing to provide services to minorities that covers your proposition....A shop owner refusing to serve a minority is not respect unless it is respect for everyone's right to be a bigot....You are proposing a General Store in a country town can refuse to serve Aborigines not because they have done anything wrong just because of the colour of their skin....You are proposing we set back the civil rights movement 50 years why, because gay people can get married and you think this is a small way to continue the persecution or is their a more sinister motive???

Huh Huh Huh


Phil you keep completely ignoring the facts of the case. He was more than happy to serve the gay couple. He was not prepared to create a particular customised product for them.


Errr....I was responding to another posters comment???

Huh Huh Huh

If you make custom cakes on request you have no legal basis to refuse anyone....Whom do you propose people should be allowed to discriminate against FD and on what basis???

Huh Huh Huh


Of course you have a right to refuse. A good legal basis is that you do not sell the particular product they are asking for.
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Reply #151 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:23pm
 
Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?
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Reply #152 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 10:58pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:23pm:
Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?


Yes of course....You could force any company to make any product line you dictate!!!

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Reply #153 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:00pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:23pm:
Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?


Yes of course....You could force any company to make any product line you dictate!!!

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Don't you see a cake shop as a factory for making cakes?
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Reply #154 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 3:18pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 2:13pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 12:42pm:
I used an example of a private enterprise refusing to provide services to minorities that covers your proposition....A shop owner refusing to serve a minority is not respect unless it is respect for everyone's right to be a bigot....You are proposing a General Store in a country town can refuse to serve Aborigines not because they have done anything wrong just because of the colour of their skin....You are proposing we set back the civil rights movement 50 years why, because gay people can get married and you think this is a small way to continue the persecution or is their a more sinister motive???

Huh Huh Huh


Phil you keep completely ignoring the facts of the case. He was more than happy to serve the gay couple. He was not prepared to create a particular customised product for them.


Errr....I was responding to another posters comment???

Huh Huh Huh

If you make custom cakes on request you have no legal basis to refuse anyone....Whom do you propose people should be allowed to discriminate against FD and on what basis???

Huh Huh Huh


Of course you have a right to refuse. A good legal basis is that you do not sell the particular product they are asking for.


Yes as I have been saying all along....However the baker in question never even found out what product he was refusing to provide....The ruling on this case should be interesting???

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Reply #155 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:06pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:00pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:23pm:
Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?


Yes of course....You could force any company to make any product line you dictate!!!

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Don't you see a cake shop as a factory for making cakes?


You are joking right....Does the factory make custom cakes to order???

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Reply #156 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:11pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:00pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:23pm:
Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?


Yes of course....You could force any company to make any product line you dictate!!!

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Don't you see a cake shop as a factory for making cakes?


You are joking right....Does the factory make custom cakes to order???

Huh Huh Huh



What? You just said you can't order a manufacturer to make a particular product that they are equipped to make and in the material the manufacturer say he can make in any shape so why must a cake manufacturer be help to a different standard?
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Reply #157 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:14pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:00pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:23pm:
Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?


Yes of course....You could force any company to make any product line you dictate!!!

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Don't you see a cake shop as a factory for making cakes?


You are joking right....Does the factory make custom cakes to order???

Huh Huh Huh



What? You just said you can't order a manufacturer to make a particular product that they are equipped to make and in the material the manufacturer say he can make in any shape so why must a cake manufacturer be help to a different standard?


Bullshit....Read my response again and apologise!!!

You could go to Boeing and force them to build you a submarine especially if you are gay!!!

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Reply #158 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:17pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:14pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:00pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:23pm:
Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?


Yes of course....You could force any company to make any product line you dictate!!!

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Don't you see a cake shop as a factory for making cakes?


You are joking right....Does the factory make custom cakes to order???

Huh Huh Huh



What? You just said you can't order a manufacturer to make a particular product that they are equipped to make and in the material the manufacturer say he can make in any shape so why must a cake manufacturer be help to a different standard?


Bullshit....Read my response again and apologise!!!

You could go to Boeing and force them to build you a submarine especially if you are gay!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


No need to take that tone with me Brian, I know what I said, I suggest you reread. I never said the factory makes cakes, I said it specialises in making products from latex in any form the customer wants.

edit: You said it was OK for such a manufacturer to turn down that order. I'm asking what is the difference between that and cake, besides the materials.
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Reply #159 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:23pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:17pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:14pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:00pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:23pm:
Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?


Yes of course....You could force any company to make any product line you dictate!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Don't you see a cake shop as a factory for making cakes?


You are joking right....Does the factory make custom cakes to order???

Huh Huh Huh



What? You just said you can't order a manufacturer to make a particular product that they are equipped to make and in the material the manufacturer say he can make in any shape so why must a cake manufacturer be help to a different standard?


Bullshit....Read my response again and apologise!!!

You could go to Boeing and force them to build you a submarine especially if you are gay!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


No need to take that tone with me Brian, I know what I said, I suggest you reread. I never said the factory makes cakes, I said it specialises in making products from latex in any form the customer wants.

edit: You said it was OK for such a manufacturer to turn down that order. I'm asking what is the difference between that and cake, besides the materials.


Who is Brian....Is that some sort of insult???

The cake shop provides custom made (to order) cakes and the factory provides mass produced products....I thought you where joking???

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Reply #160 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:27pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:23pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:17pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:14pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:00pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:23pm:
Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?


Yes of course....You could force any company to make any product line you dictate!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Don't you see a cake shop as a factory for making cakes?


You are joking right....Does the factory make custom cakes to order???

Huh Huh Huh



What? You just said you can't order a manufacturer to make a particular product that they are equipped to make and in the material the manufacturer say he can make in any shape so why must a cake manufacturer be help to a different standard?


Bullshit....Read my response again and apologise!!!

You could go to Boeing and force them to build you a submarine especially if you are gay!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


No need to take that tone with me Brian, I know what I said, I suggest you reread. I never said the factory makes cakes, I said it specialises in making products from latex in any form the customer wants.

edit: You said it was OK for such a manufacturer to turn down that order. I'm asking what is the difference between that and cake, besides the materials.


Who is Brian....Is that some sort of insult???

The cake shop provides custom made (to order) cakes and the factory provides mass produced products....I thought you where joking???

Smiley Smiley Smiley


Oops, no, it was a slip, sorry. Not intentional. I hope you accept my apology for that and answer the question better than that. The factory can make anything out of Latex. If you pay enough they will do one offs like any capitalist.



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mortdooley wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 2:19am:
So many of you have gone so far down the road to Bizarro world that you can't see that a business owner once had Rights too. The fair thing is that the Baker in this case loses a sale. Forcing him to perform services he won't do otherwise is a form of Slavery. "We reserve the Right to refuse service to anyone" was once recognized as the owners freedom of choice. Now a pair of rump rangers and the courts of Colorado will probably  force an honest business man to lose his livelihood.




It still IS the "owners freedom of choice" - and will continue to BE so
Just as the civil celebrant - as a private enterprise service provider - holds the same right

Registry office - government employed - celebrants, must ALWAYS apply the law of the land - without fear or favour - or find another job

The "houses of god" have ALWAYS held a legal right to say who they will and who they won't marry

All of this "slippery slope" fabrication was a creation of the "NO" argument leading up to the recent ABS opinion poll
And all based on tales from a f*cked up American legal system
NOTHING here related to Australian law

For myself - I won't be seeking any blessing from religious organisations who've been flinging hatred at me, all my life
Nor will I be looking to give hundreds of any homophobic bigot for a wedding cake


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buzzanddidj wrote Yesterday at 12:16am:
mortdooley wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 2:19am:
So many of you have gone so far down the road to Bizarro world that you can't see that a business owner once had Rights too. The fair thing is that the Baker in this case loses a sale. Forcing him to perform services he won't do otherwise is a form of Slavery. "We reserve the Right to refuse service to anyone" was once recognized as the owners freedom of choice. Now a pair of rump rangers and the courts of Colorado will probably  force an honest business man to lose his livelihood.




It still IS the "owners freedom of choice" - and will continue to BE so
Just as the civil celebrant - as a private enterprise service provider - holds the same right

Registry office - government employed - celebrants, must ALWAYS apply the law of the land - without fear or favour - or find another job

The "houses of god" have ALWAYS held a legal right to say who they will and who they won't marry

All of this "slippery slope" fabrication was a creation of the "NO" argument leading up to the recent ABS opinion poll
And all based on tales from a f*cked up American legal system
NOTHING here related to Australian law

For myself - I won't be seeking any blessing from religious organisations who've been flinging hatred at me, all my life
Nor will I be looking to give hundreds of any homophobic bigot for a wedding cake


I'm not a poof but was married by a civil celebrant in a public place. I don't understand the butt hurt, just do business elsewhere and take your friends with you. I'm not religious or dogmatic. I can't see what the poofs hope to gain beyond forcing someone to do something against their will. Buy a smacking cake somewhere that want's to make it. It's not 1955 Alabama, they could have a cake flown around the world, there is no shortage of people that would make it for them for a price. It seems much more about how far you can bend someone to your will or the will of the pitchfork holders.


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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
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This is the failure of the Civil Rights Act, the individual has no Rights when a member of a recognized group feels discriminated against.
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