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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court. Dec 5^th, 2017 at 4:54pm Here we go, the slippery slide, all aboard.
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Reply #2 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:24pm

Here is a link to the story if anyone is interested???

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42232162

You do realise that anti discrimination laws already exist that make it an offence to deny services based on someone's sexuality....If we allow this discrimination against one minority then the door is open for others to discriminate against anyone for any religious bullshit they choose to use for justification....These same people would no doubt complain if their business was targeted by one of these minority groups and lost customers....Discrimination should never be condoned and isn't???

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47369 At my desk.	Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court. Reply #3 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?
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Reply #4 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:47pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:24pm:

Here is a link to the story if anyone is interested???

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42232162

You do realise that anti discrimination laws already exist that make it an offence to deny services based on someone's sexuality....If we allow this discrimination against one minority then the door is open for others to discriminate against anyone for any religious bullshit they choose to use for justification....These same people would no doubt complain if their business was targeted by one of these minority groups and lost customers....Discrimination should never be condoned and isn't???

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So what is wrong with discrimination again?
Do you have a favourite colour? Food? Music?
Surely every time YOU make a choice YOU discriminate.
If we have freedom of religion as per UN human rights, then how can you say people cannot discriminate based on their religious beliefs?
Would you make Muslims eat Pork? Cheesy

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19625 Perth Gender:	Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court. Reply #5 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings? No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???
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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #6 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:56pm

Grendel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:24pm:

Here is a link to the story if anyone is interested???

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42232162

You do realise that anti discrimination laws already exist that make it an offence to deny services based on someone's sexuality....If we allow this discrimination against one minority then the door is open for others to discriminate against anyone for any religious bullshit they choose to use for justification....These same people would no doubt complain if their business was targeted by one of these minority groups and lost customers....Discrimination should never be condoned and isn't???

Roll Eyes

If we were to wake up some morning and find that everyone was the same race, creed and color, we would find some other cause for prejudice by noon.
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So what is wrong with discrimination again?
Do you have a favourite colour? Food? Music?
Surely every time YOU make a choice YOU discriminate.
If we have freedom of religion as per UN human rights, then how can you say people cannot discriminate based on their religious beliefs?
Would you make Muslims eat Pork? Cheesy

I have no problem with people discriminating against colours, food, music or pork!!!

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Reply #7 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

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Reply #8 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court. Reply #9 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:17pm The "slippery slope" for society is the normalisation of the various neurosis that prevent people from forming relationships with the opposite sex.
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Reply #10 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

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Reply #11 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95298 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court. Reply #12 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 9:08pm freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings? - involving big long tongue kisses in front of everyone.
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Reply #13 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 2:19am

So many of you have gone so far down the road to Bizarro world that you can't see that a business owner once had Rights too. The fair thing is that the Baker in this case loses a sale. Forcing him to perform services he won't do otherwise is a form of Slavery. "We reserve the Right to refuse service to anyone" was once recognized as the owners freedom of choice. Now a pair of rump rangers and the courts of Colorado will probably force an honest business man to lose his livelihood.

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Reply #14 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 5:13am

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 2:19am:

So many of you have gone so far down the road to Bizarro world that you can't see that a business owner once had Rights too. The fair thing is that the Baker in this case loses a sale. Forcing him to perform services he won't do otherwise is a form of Slavery. "We reserve the Right to refuse service to anyone" was once recognized as the owners freedom of choice. Now a pair of rump rangers and the courts of Colorado will probably force an honest business man to lose his livelihood.

It is illegal to discriminate against a person because of their sexual orientation. They can not refuse to make a cake for a gay couple, just as Raven could not not do the same for a ranga.

The business in question is actually pretty stupid, there is a plethora of reasons they could have used to not make the cake. But they decided to go with the "I don't like faggots" reason.

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Reply #15 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:52am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

Yes.
The buisiness has every right too.
Try and order bacon at a muslim owned KFC. They refuse to serve you.

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Reply #16 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

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Reply #17 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 9:13am

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 2:19am:

So many of you have gone so far down the road to Bizarro world that you can't see that a business owner once had Rights too. The fair thing is that the Baker in this case loses a sale. Forcing him to perform services he won't do otherwise is a form of Slavery. "We reserve the Right to refuse service to anyone" was once recognized as the owners freedom of choice. Now a pair of rump rangers and the courts of Colorado will probably force an honest business man to lose his livelihood.

I agree let market forces decide. Don't want to sell cakes to gay weddings, forget having my patronage.

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Reply #18 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 9:46am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 9:13am:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 2:19am:

So many of you have gone so far down the road to Bizarro world that you can't see that a business owner once had Rights too. The fair thing is that the Baker in this case loses a sale. Forcing him to perform services he won't do otherwise is a form of Slavery. "We reserve the Right to refuse service to anyone" was once recognized as the owners freedom of choice. Now a pair of rump rangers and the courts of Colorado will probably force an honest business man to lose his livelihood.

1. I agree let market forces decide.

2. Don't want to sell cakes to gay weddings, forget having my patronage.

1. AGREED.

2. MEH!

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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6778 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court. Reply #20 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 2:25pm I wouldn't want to eat a cake ! forced someone to make. Or any other food for that matter!
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Reply #21 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 2:32pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 11:23am:

Solution:-

"OK - Joe's Patisserie driver here with your wedding cake, Gays... (oops)... stumbled and fell there... SO-RRY! We'll get you another one next week..... the chef is off sick...."

Thats a see you in court for failure to fulfill contract.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court. Reply #22 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 2:48pm Lambie brought up the possibility of this happening here on Q&A the other week. Geez society is getting bloody complicated.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20228 Gordon Gender:	Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court. Reply #23 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:06pm Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from... YUCK!!!
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Reply #25 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:06pm:

Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!

Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?

You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin

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Reply #26 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:12pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:06pm:

Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!

Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?

You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin

How would that get back at them?

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Reply #27 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:06pm:

Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!

Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?

You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin

But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway.

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Reply #29 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:22pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:16pm:

Why is it all the people worried about the moral fibre of the country by allowing SSM are focused on masturbation?

It's a mystery.

And why do all the homophobic males think about men?

When I think about gays, I picture young women, in white cotton panties, kissing each other.

Gordon, Hammer, Herbert, et al, on the other hand, picture two blokes either having anal sex, or giving each other oral pleasure.

I guess we're just different.

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Reply #30 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:24pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:06pm:

Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!

Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?

You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin

But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway.

Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go.

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Reply #31 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:16pm:

Why is it all the people worried about the moral fibre of the country by allowing SSM are focused on masturbation?

It's a mystery.

And why do all the homophobic males think about men?

When I think about gays, I picture young women, in white cotton panties, kissing each other.

Gordon, Hammer, Herbert, et al, on the other hand, picture two blokes either having anal sex, or giving each other oral pleasure.

I guess we're just different.

No Pecca. We just don't like people telling us how to think and what to believe.

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Reply #32 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:28pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:06pm:

Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!

Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?

You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin

But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway.

Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go.

Nah they're probably also into scat. Just decorate the cake with these and they'll all run around screaming flapping their arms.

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Reply #33 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:29pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:06pm:

Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!

Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?

You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin

But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway.

Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go.

Nah they're probably also into scat. Just decorate the cake with these and they'll all run around screaming flapping their arms.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/23/b3/6b23b3e899690472015361c407a2ac69.jpg

The gays I know don't really have a problem with vaginas.

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Reply #34 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:30pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:16pm:

Why is it all the people worried about the moral fibre of the country by allowing SSM are focused on masturbation?

It's a mystery.

And why do all the homophobic males think about men?

When I think about gays, I picture young women, in white cotton panties, kissing each other.

Gordon, Hammer, Herbert, et al, on the other hand, picture two blokes either having anal sex, or giving each other oral pleasure.

I guess we're just different.

No Pecca.

Yes.

You always think about gay men, when discussing homosexuality.

Why is that?

My mind immediately turns to two women, in bed together.

Yours turns to two men, in a toilet block together.

What's with that?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #35 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:34pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:29pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:06pm:

Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!

Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?

You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin

But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway.

Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go.

Nah they're probably also into scat. Just decorate the cake with these and they'll all run around screaming flapping their arms.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/23/b3/6b23b3e899690472015361c407a2ac69.jpg

The gays I know don't really have a problem with vaginas.

For the same reason I've never had a problem with being eaten by a t-rex. I've never seen on Grin

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Reply #36 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:35pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:29pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:06pm:

Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!

Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?

You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin

But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway.

Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go.

Nah they're probably also into scat. Just decorate the cake with these and they'll all run around screaming flapping their arms.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/23/b3/6b23b3e899690472015361c407a2ac69.jpg

The gays I know don't really have a problem with vaginas.

The gay women I know love them.

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #37 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:37pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:06pm:

Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!

Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?

You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. Grin

But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway.

Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go.

Nah they're probably also into scat. Just decorate the cake with these and they'll all run around screaming flapping their arms.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/23/b3/6b23b3e899690472015361c407a2ac69.jpg

That would do it.

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #38 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:16pm:

Why is it all the people worried about the moral fibre of the country by allowing SSM are focused on masturbation?

It's a mystery.

And why do all the homophobic males think about men?

When I think about gays, I picture young women, in white cotton panties, kissing each other.

Gordon, Hammer, Herbert, et al, on the other hand, picture two blokes either having anal sex, or giving each other oral pleasure.

I guess we're just different.

No Pecca.

Yes.

You always think about gay men, when discussing homosexuality.

Why is that?

My mind immediately turns to two women, in bed together.

Yours turns to two men, in a toilet block together.

What's with that?

Isn't the topic about p oofters?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #39 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #40 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:43pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

What about if a Muslim baker doesn't want to make a cake for a Christian wedding? Is that allowed?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #41 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

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Reply #42 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #43 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:50pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:43pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

What about if a Muslim baker doesn't want to make a cake for a Christian wedding? Is that allowed?

No....The racial /sexual discrimination act makes it an offence to withhold services to anyone based on their religion, sexual orientation or race....The law applies to everyone at present with or without SSM!!!

Roll Eyes

http://www.humanrights.gov.au/employers/good-practice-good-business-factsheets/r...

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #44 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:53pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:43pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

What about if a Muslim baker doesn't want to make a cake for a Christian wedding? Is that allowed?

No....The racial /sexual discrimination act makes it an offence to withhold services to anyone based on their religion, sexual orientation or race....The law applies to everyone at present with or without SSM!!!

Roll Eyes

http://www.humanrights.gov.au/employers/good-practice-good-business-factsheets/r...

Well how about we get rid of halal food which discriminates against non certified food?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #45 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #46 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:16pm:

Why is it all the people worried about the moral fibre of the country by allowing SSM are focused on masturbation?

It's a mystery.

And why do all the homophobic males think about men?

When I think about gays, I picture young women, in white cotton panties, kissing each other.

Gordon, Hammer, Herbert, et al, on the other hand, picture two blokes either having anal sex, or giving each other oral pleasure.

I guess we're just different.

Greggy,
this is not a forum to discuss your homosexual fantasies.

Try a gay forum.

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #47 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #48 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

Yes.
The buisiness has every right too.
Try and order bacon at a muslim owned KFC. They refuse to serve you.

WTF....Firstly a Muslim owned KFC would probably not have bacon on the menu so you could not order it anyway and if they did have bacon on the menu why would they refuse to sell it....You are taking the piss right???

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #49 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:04pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

No one is forcing you to buy from an Halal butcher....It is up to the individual if they want to purchase certain products....You people are kidding right???

Huh

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #50 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:05pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

No one is forcing you to buy from an Halal butcher....It is up to the individual if they want to purchase certain products....You people are kidding right???

Huh

If it was just a halal butcher I wouldn't have a problem. But now it's on loads of items we've been eating for years. Isn't that discrimination against Christians?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #51 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

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Reply #52 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #53 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:10pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

No one is forcing you to buy from an Halal butcher....It is up to the individual if they want to purchase certain products....You people are kidding right???

Huh

If it was just a halal butcher I wouldn't have a problem. But now it's on loads of items we've been eating for years. Isn't that discrimination against Christians?

All Halal products are labelled as such so those wishing to purchase the product know it is certified Halal....I cannot believe you could not work that out for yourself???

Roll Eyes

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #54 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:14pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

Time for Hammer to change the subject.

Stand by for "Halal funds terrorism".

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #55 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #56 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 5:04pm

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

Don't worry Cods, if it is not labelled Halal then it won't be Halal....How do you think people would be able to tell it is certified Halal if it is not labelled....Do you think they guess???

Huh

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #57 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 5:12pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 5:04pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

Don't worry Cods, if it is not labelled Halal then it won't be Halal....How do you think people would be able to tell it is certified Halal if it is not labelled....Do you think they guess???

Huh

not at all pet.....not at all.. I keep reading where shops now sell HALAL meat... so I assume that means all meat sold on premises as how the hell would you know... if they run out of halal sausages they didnt pop in a few unhalal one.. Roll Eyes

just sayin thats all....you would need to be very trustworthy cant think of anyone these days I would give that Label too!!!!

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #59 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 5:29pm

Cake maker.... "sorry homos but the dog ate it"
This will set a precedent in all sorts of ways and not just for ssm.
Watch the poofs come out of closet and hunt down anyone who have any beliefs different to them, fully backed by the do-gooders, the lawyers are in for a windfall as society gets choked.

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #60 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 5:59pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

No one is forcing you to buy from an Halal butcher....It is up to the individual if they want to purchase certain products....You people are kidding right???

Huh

If it was just a halal butcher I wouldn't have a problem. But now it's on loads of items we've been eating for years. Isn't that discrimination against Christians?

How? They are not preventing you from buying that product because you are a Christian.

Companies that have a halal certification have done so as part of a business model more then a religious reason. It opens their product to a market of more then a billion people.

Companies exist to make profit. Excluding a potential goldmine of consumers makes little sense.

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #61 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:11pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

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Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #62 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:26pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

People should be allowed to discriminate. When you choose a girlfriend, you discriminate. The issue of discrimination is about the government discrimination, not private discrimination.

The only limit I would prescribe is in the case of unfair dismissal, where an employer finds out about a person religion, belief after hiring them based on merit.

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #63 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:30pm

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people

exactly everything seems so one sided...

it wont stop at cakes...what if a gay couple wish to hire the hall for their reception in a church hall....

why should anyone be FORCED into accepting that order for fear of litigation.? ..

its supposed to be a give and take world...80% of people voted and most voted for this legislation....

they did not vote to create another minority group..

who are expected to put all their religious beliefs aside.. for fear of being sued out of business.

what good does that achieve... more disent more hatred we dont need...

Gay people took the country to task asking for a fair deal..... well now the boot is on the other foot....a minority group is asking for a fair deal...

there are plenty of cake makers.. and plenty of churches.....it will I am sure only be a small group that will not accept these orders...

like not going to war because you do not believe in killing...its allowed...and so it should be!

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #64 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:41pm

READ THOROUGHLY

Johnnie wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 4:54pm:

Here we go, the slippery slide, all aboard.

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:58pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 4:48pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 1:22pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 9:55am:

Turnbull says he'll vote for them even though he doesn't think they're necessary.

... and he's 100% CORRECT

Currently the church can refuse to marry any couple they choose to
Look no further than the catholic church and divorcees
A self employed marriage celebrant has the same right to refuse
As does a wedding cake baker
The latter are retail contracts - and require two parties in agreement to be binding

If a government employed registry office celebrant can't perform his job - as determined by Australian law - it's time he found a new career

Yeah, you're wrong...

https://aclu-co.org/court-rules-bakery-illegally-discriminated-against-gay-coupl...

You're confusing Colorado law, with Australian law

I worked in retail for close to forty years
And as a representative of the company I exercised my legal right NOT to enter into a retail sale contact on many occasions - with many people

I'm sure you've had times when your local publican has applied this right, also ?

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court. Reply #66 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:01pm Try getting into a night club for rich folks if you don't have expensive clothes on. Discrimination is everywhere. I hope it's not only straight white people who are going to be targeted. Australia was once a place so free. Now it's turning into a smacking prison.
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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #67 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:08pm

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #68 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?

When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #69 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:28pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?

When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.

Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #70 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:31pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?

When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.

Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.

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Reply #71 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:36pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?

When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.

Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.

Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.

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Reply #72 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?

When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.

Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.

Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.

I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #74 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:44pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?

When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.

Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.

Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.

I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.

I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?

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Reply #76 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:45pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?

When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.

Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.

Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.

I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.

I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?

So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #77 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:47pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?

When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.

Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.

Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.

I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.

I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?

So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?

It does.

If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it.

Where's the problem?

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Reply #78 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?

When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.

Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.

Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.

I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.

I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?

So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?

It does.

If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it.

Where's the problem?

Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before.

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Reply #81 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:53pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:42pm:

All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake.

It must be the End Times. Grin

Because they are pushing this through without thinking about the ordinary aussie business owner Bobby.

We know what's being pushed. Wink

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Reply #82 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:54pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?

When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.

Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.

Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.

I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.

I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?

So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?

It does.

If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it.

Where's the problem?

Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before.

There's no problem now.

Buy the products you like, and don't buy the products you don't like.

What could be simpler?

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Reply #84 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:56pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:42pm:

All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake.

It must be the End Times. Grin

Because they are pushing this through without thinking about the ordinary aussie business owner Bobby.

We know what's being pushed. Wink

And where.... Grin

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Reply #85 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:56pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?

When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.

Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.

Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.

I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.

I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?

So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?

It does.

If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it.

Where's the problem?

Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before.

There's no problem now.

Buy the products you like, and don't buy the products you don't like.

What could be simpler?

Well gays can get their cakes done at places agreeable with their lifestyle. It's their consumer choice.

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #86 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 8:00pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:42pm:

All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake.

It must be the End Times. Grin

Because they are pushing this through without thinking about the ordinary aussie business owner Bobby.

We know what's being pushed. Wink

And where.... Grin

Let's not say Lisa but can we agree that it must be the End Times?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #87 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 8:03pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?

When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.

Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.

Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.

I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.

I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?

So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?

It does.

If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it.

Where's the problem?

Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before.

There's no problem now.

Buy the products you like, and don't buy the products you don't like.

What could be simpler?

Well gays can get their cakes done at places agreeable with their lifestyle. It's their consumer choice.

Absolutely.

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #88 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 8:04pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 8:03pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?

When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.

Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.

Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.

I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.

I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?

So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?

It does.

If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it.

Where's the problem?

Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before.

There's no problem now.

Buy the products you like, and don't buy the products you don't like.

What could be simpler?

Well gays can get their cakes done at places agreeable with their lifestyle. It's their consumer choice.

Absolutely.

That's solved then.

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #89 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 8:05pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 8:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 8:03pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

Huh

No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

Wink

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?

When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.

Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.

Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.

I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.

I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?

So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?

It does.

If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it.

Where's the problem?

Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before.

There's no problem now.

Buy the products you like, and don't buy the products you don't like.

What could be simpler?

Well gays can get their cakes done at places agreeable with their lifestyle. It's their consumer choice.

Absolutely.

That's solved then.

I didn't see a problem in the first place.

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #93 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 8:40pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 8:00pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:42pm:

All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake.

It must be the End Times. Grin

Because they are pushing this through without thinking about the ordinary aussie business owner Bobby.

We know what's being pushed. Wink

And where.... Grin

Let's not say Lisa but can we agree that it must be the End Times?

Rear end time even Grin

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Reply #97 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 10:13pm

Wednesday, 30 October, 1946:-

At Coleshill, Warwickshire, Ellen May Young, a paint sprayer, was committed for trial for her subterfuge in marrying, in the roman catholic church in the village of Baddesley Clinton, Irene Mary Palmer whom she had met at waterloo station. Ellen had posed as an ex-RAF pilot, called herself Stanley and written more than thirty passionate letters to her fiance`.

Argh, aye, m'lud... that thar gay marriage be unlawful! 'Ang 'er and 'ang 'er HIGH!

Just saying - no gay wedding cake there...... Tongue

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #100 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 1:03pm

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?

Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?

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Reply #101 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 1:06pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:13am:

All seafood is Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....All fruit and vegetables are Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....There is no need to label these products but if you have a problem eating Halal perhaps you should avoid fish and chips in future???

Roll Eyes

So Christians have no choice?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #102 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 1:21pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 1:06pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:13am:

All seafood is Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....All fruit and vegetables are Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....There is no need to label these products but if you have a problem eating Halal perhaps you should avoid fish and chips in future???

Roll Eyes

So Christians have no choice?

In what?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #103 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:11pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 1:06pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:13am:

All seafood is Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....All fruit and vegetables are Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....There is no need to label these products but if you have a problem eating Halal perhaps you should avoid fish and chips in future???

Roll Eyes

So Christians have no choice?

No....If you eat a prawn with chilli it is Halal....It does not matter how the prawn or chilli was killed!!!

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #104 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:19pm

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?

Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?

Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #105 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:38pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?

Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?

Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

Roll Eyes

What about if a Muslim catering company knocks back a Christian wedding job? Is that allowed?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #106 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:40pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:38pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?

Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?

Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

Roll Eyes

What about if a Muslim catering company knocks back a Christian wedding job? Is that allowed?

What's their reason for knocking it back?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #107 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:40pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:38pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?

Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?

Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

Roll Eyes

What about if a Muslim catering company knocks back a Christian wedding job? Is that allowed?

What's their reason for knocking it back?

Religious reasons. What about if a Christian cross wearing woman gets sacked from a Islamic school because of her religion. It's happened here.

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #108 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:51pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:40pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:38pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?

Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?

Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

Roll Eyes

What about if a Muslim catering company knocks back a Christian wedding job? Is that allowed?

What's their reason for knocking it back?

Religious reasons. What about if a Christian cross wearing woman gets sacked from a Islamic school because of her religion. It's happened here.

Link?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #109 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 3:00pm

what about this-

School principal sacked over female exclusion
Updated: 9:12 am, Friday, 3 March 2017

The principal and deputy principal of Punchbowl Boys High School in Sydney have been dumped after it was revealed female teachers were excluded from taking part in official events at the largely Muslim public school.
The NSW Education Department confirmed Principal Chris Griffiths and deputy principal Joumana Dennaoiu were removed from their roles after an investigation into the school.
The Australian reports a decision was made at the school to exclude female teachers from taking official roles in the Year 12 graduation ceremony and annual presentation day at the end of last year.
Mr Griffiths took over the role as principal from Jihad Dib, who is now the now the state Labor MP for Lakemba, in 2015.

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Reply #110 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 3:05pm

Non-Muslim staff told to wear headscarves in Adelaide
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An Islamic College in Adelaide has threatened to dismiss its non-Muslim female staff if they don't wear headscarves, as critics say it's wrong to compel women to identify with a religion they don't practice.
Updated
Updated 26 August 2013
An Adelaide school's dress policy has exposed a grey area in Australia's discrimination laws.

The Adelaide Islamic College has long had an unwritten rule that female staff would wear hijab or if they weren't Muslim, headscarves.

The last principal had relaxed that rule. Now the board has reinforced the dress code policy in writing.
The school has been told by its lawyers not to comment. SBS understands one staffer was warned of dismissal if she didn't abide by the new code.

The union says this is plainly wrong.
"People who've been employed at that school for many years have been able to dress modestly without any particular problem, but this redefining under the threat of sacking is quite extreme and we don't agree with it", says Glen Seidel from the Independent Education Union.
"People who have been quite openly employed as not Muslim are being forced to identify within the community as if they are," added Mr Seidel. "There has to be a more sensible way of getting the modesty requirement sorted without the religious identity".
Minister for Education and Multicultural Affairs Jennifer Rankin says this situation highlights a grey area in the legislation.
"Our ambulance officers wear uniforms, our nurses wear uniforms, this is slightly different as in this is a religious school and obviously they have standards they want upheld, so it's an unusual circumstance where we've got a situation allegedly where someone is being asked to wear hijab rather than remove the hijab".
"Whether it's the equal opportunity act in terms of discrimination or the Fair Work Act, I think it's premature to say," said Ms Rankin. "I think it could be a test case in one or two jurisdictions and yet to be clear about which or both".
There are also implications for the school's funding.
"We provide them with something like 23 per cent of their funding, and in that contract obviously it is an obligation to abide by the laws of South Australia," said Minister Rankin.
The school is facing a tricky task, balancing its religious ideals with the individual's right to choose what, if any, religious identity they display.

Source: SBS

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #112 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 3:38pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 3:05pm:

Non-Muslim staff told to wear headscarves in Adelaide
5

An Islamic College in Adelaide has threatened to dismiss its non-Muslim female staff if they don't wear headscarves, as critics say it's wrong to compel women to identify with a religion they don't practice.
Updated
Updated 26 August 2013
An Adelaide school's dress policy has exposed a grey area in Australia's discrimination laws.

The Adelaide Islamic College has long had an unwritten rule that female staff would wear hijab or if they weren't Muslim, headscarves.

The last principal had relaxed that rule. Now the board has reinforced the dress code policy in writing.
The school has been told by its lawyers not to comment. SBS understands one staffer was warned of dismissal if she didn't abide by the new code.

The union says this is plainly wrong.
"People who've been employed at that school for many years have been able to dress modestly without any particular problem, but this redefining under the threat of sacking is quite extreme and we don't agree with it", says Glen Seidel from the Independent Education Union.
"People who have been quite openly employed as not Muslim are being forced to identify within the community as if they are," added Mr Seidel. "There has to be a more sensible way of getting the modesty requirement sorted without the religious identity".
Minister for Education and Multicultural Affairs Jennifer Rankin says this situation highlights a grey area in the legislation.
"Our ambulance officers wear uniforms, our nurses wear uniforms, this is slightly different as in this is a religious school and obviously they have standards they want upheld, so it's an unusual circumstance where we've got a situation allegedly where someone is being asked to wear hijab rather than remove the hijab".
"Whether it's the equal opportunity act in terms of discrimination or the Fair Work Act, I think it's premature to say," said Ms Rankin. "I think it could be a test case in one or two jurisdictions and yet to be clear about which or both".
There are also implications for the school's funding.
"We provide them with something like 23 per cent of their funding, and in that contract obviously it is an obligation to abide by the laws of South Australia," said Minister Rankin.
The school is facing a tricky task, balancing its religious ideals with the individual's right to choose what, if any, religious identity they display.

Source: SBS

They're a private school; they can set whatever rules they want for their staff.

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #113 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 5:33pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:50pm:

Religious reasons. What about if a Christian cross wearing woman gets sacked from a Islamic school because of her religion. It's happened here.

I noticed on last night's news, a young male teacher was sacked from a tax-payer funded 'christian' school
- when the board discovered he didn't f*ck women on his days off

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/youre-gay-youre-out-gay-teacher-sacked-due-to-...

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #114 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 5:39pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 1:06pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:13am:

All seafood is Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....All fruit and vegetables are Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....There is no need to label these products but if you have a problem eating Halal perhaps you should avoid fish and chips in future???

Roll Eyes

So Christians have no choice?

No....If you eat a prawn with chilli it is Halal....It does not matter how the prawn or chilli was killed!!!

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well mothra isnt here at this time phil.. but I think she would beg to differ on the prawn issue.....

I am more interested in who of our members is goin g to be the first to wed??>.

come on guys and gals fez up time...wedding bells at ozpol.. Kiss

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we love love and weddings dont we all????>.

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Reply #115 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:30pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?

Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?

Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

Roll Eyes

I have never heard of the decency defence. Is that what they used to use for lynching gays? Do you think orgies might have something to do with sexuality?

Can a cake shop refuse to sell gay cakes, so long as they refuse to sell them to straight couples also?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #116 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:52pm

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

I have never heard of the decency defence. Is that what they used to use for lynching gays? Do you think orgies might have something to do with sexuality?

Can a cake shop refuse to sell gay cakes, so long as they refuse to sell them to straight couples also?

dear FD,
it's all nonsense.
gays can just buy a homosexual cake from a gay baker -
it's that simple -
it's all getting too ridiculous for words.

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Reply #117 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:13pm

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Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 3:05pm:

Non-Muslim staff told to wear headscarves in Adelaide
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An Islamic College in Adelaide has threatened to dismiss its non-Muslim female staff if they don't wear headscarves, as critics say it's wrong to compel women to identify with a religion they don't practice.
Updated
Updated 26 August 2013
An Adelaide school's dress policy has exposed a grey area in Australia's discrimination laws.

The Adelaide Islamic College has long had an unwritten rule that female staff would wear hijab or if they weren't Muslim, headscarves.

The last principal had relaxed that rule. Now the board has reinforced the dress code policy in writing.
The school has been told by its lawyers not to comment. SBS understands one staffer was warned of dismissal if she didn't abide by the new code.

The union says this is plainly wrong.
"People who've been employed at that school for many years have been able to dress modestly without any particular problem, but this redefining under the threat of sacking is quite extreme and we don't agree with it", says Glen Seidel from the Independent Education Union.
"People who have been quite openly employed as not Muslim are being forced to identify within the community as if they are," added Mr Seidel. "There has to be a more sensible way of getting the modesty requirement sorted without the religious identity".
Minister for Education and Multicultural Affairs Jennifer Rankin says this situation highlights a grey area in the legislation.
"Our ambulance officers wear uniforms, our nurses wear uniforms, this is slightly different as in this is a religious school and obviously they have standards they want upheld, so it's an unusual circumstance where we've got a situation allegedly where someone is being asked to wear hijab rather than remove the hijab".
"Whether it's the equal opportunity act in terms of discrimination or the Fair Work Act, I think it's premature to say," said Ms Rankin. "I think it could be a test case in one or two jurisdictions and yet to be clear about which or both".
There are also implications for the school's funding.
"We provide them with something like 23 per cent of their funding, and in that contract obviously it is an obligation to abide by the laws of South Australia," said Minister Rankin.
The school is facing a tricky task, balancing its religious ideals with the individual's right to choose what, if any, religious identity they display.

Source: SBS

They're a private school; they can set whatever rules they want for their staff.

Isn't religious freedom to discriminate what some people want???

Huh

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Reply #118 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:32pm

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?

Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?

Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

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I have never heard of the decency defence. Is that what they used to use for lynching gays? Do you think orgies might have something to do with sexuality?

Can a cake shop refuse to sell gay cakes, so long as they refuse to sell them to straight couples also?

Let me explain it this way....If your spear fishing business only caters for spear fishing tours spearing dolphins and stuff and some people want to charter your dingi for some whale watching you could refuse because you do not offer that service....If you refuse because someone is gay and you tell them you don't service queers you could be in trouble!!!

Wink

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #119 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:30pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?

Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?

Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

Roll Eyes

I have never heard of the decency defence. Is that what they used to use for lynching gays? Do you think orgies might have something to do with sexuality?

Can a cake shop refuse to sell gay cakes, so long as they refuse to sell them to straight couples also?

Let me explain it this way....If your spear fishing business only caters for spear fishing tours spearing dolphins and stuff and some people want to charter your dingi for some whale watching you could refuse because you do not offer that service....If you refuse because someone is gay and you tell them you don't service queers you could be in trouble!!!

Wink

But I would be fine if I refused on the grounds that I consider anal sex indecent?

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Reply #120 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:29am

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?

Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?

Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

Roll Eyes

I have never heard of the decency defence. Is that what they used to use for lynching gays? Do you think orgies might have something to do with sexuality?

Can a cake shop refuse to sell gay cakes, so long as they refuse to sell them to straight couples also?

Let me explain it this way....If your spear fishing business only caters for spear fishing tours spearing dolphins and stuff and some people want to charter your dingi for some whale watching you could refuse because you do not offer that service....If you refuse because someone is gay and you tell them you don't service queers you could be in trouble!!!

Wink

But I would be fine if I refused on the grounds that I consider anal sex indecent?

Sure you would....You could also use the defence I thought he was a Muslim as a two edged sword!!!

Roll Eyes

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Reply #124 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 11:56am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:23am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:11am:

Has the world ended yet?

One more month to go.

The end of the world is scheduled for January 9, 2018

Ye Gods - sensible people are trying to get out of marriage, which shows the gay community are nuts as advertised.

This'll be hilarious.... I'll lay in a supply of popcorn and await the usual suspect nonsense that will go on, with cake bakers being taken to court and churches vilified and parodied and an honour guard in chaps.... Huh

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Reply #126 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 12:20pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

Auggie wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 3:38pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 3:05pm:

Non-Muslim staff told to wear headscarves in Adelaide
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An Islamic College in Adelaide has threatened to dismiss its non-Muslim female staff if they don't wear headscarves, as critics say it's wrong to compel women to identify with a religion they don't practice.
Updated
Updated 26 August 2013
An Adelaide school's dress policy has exposed a grey area in Australia's discrimination laws.

The Adelaide Islamic College has long had an unwritten rule that female staff would wear hijab or if they weren't Muslim, headscarves.

The last principal had relaxed that rule. Now the board has reinforced the dress code policy in writing.
The school has been told by its lawyers not to comment. SBS understands one staffer was warned of dismissal if she didn't abide by the new code.

The union says this is plainly wrong.
"People who've been employed at that school for many years have been able to dress modestly without any particular problem, but this redefining under the threat of sacking is quite extreme and we don't agree with it", says Glen Seidel from the Independent Education Union.
"People who have been quite openly employed as not Muslim are being forced to identify within the community as if they are," added Mr Seidel. "There has to be a more sensible way of getting the modesty requirement sorted without the religious identity".
Minister for Education and Multicultural Affairs Jennifer Rankin says this situation highlights a grey area in the legislation.
"Our ambulance officers wear uniforms, our nurses wear uniforms, this is slightly different as in this is a religious school and obviously they have standards they want upheld, so it's an unusual circumstance where we've got a situation allegedly where someone is being asked to wear hijab rather than remove the hijab".
"Whether it's the equal opportunity act in terms of discrimination or the Fair Work Act, I think it's premature to say," said Ms Rankin. "I think it could be a test case in one or two jurisdictions and yet to be clear about which or both".
There are also implications for the school's funding.
"We provide them with something like 23 per cent of their funding, and in that contract obviously it is an obligation to abide by the laws of South Australia," said Minister Rankin.
The school is facing a tricky task, balancing its religious ideals with the individual's right to choose what, if any, religious identity they display.

Source: SBS

They're a private school; they can set whatever rules they want for their staff.

Isn't religious freedom to discriminate what some people want???

Huh

Private individuals and small businesses should be allowed to discriminate against whomever they wish. If I walked into a baker's shop, and the owner said to me: "sorry mate, your skin colour is brown, get out of my shop, I would be slightly upset, but I would respect that person's right to kick me out of his/her shop.

Now, corporations, which are incorporated objects have no natural rights - natural rights only applies to individual persons, and also small businesses which have an individualised component. For e.g. the government would be well within its rights to regulate the rights of Google as a company but not the actions of a independent baker; but not 'Baker's Delight' or another chain, which has an 'individual' component to it.

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Reply #127 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 12:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:23am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:11am:

Has the world ended yet?

One more month to go.

The end of the world is scheduled for January 9, 2018

Gay men are being urged to get vaccinated against meningococcal disease after a sudden outbreak in Melbourne.

Meningococcal disease:

There are five main strains of meningococcal disease: A, C, W, Y and B
The disease is uncommon but serious
Meningococcal bacteria is passed on through regular close, prolonged or intimate contact with infected secretions from the back of the nose and throat
The bacteria can develop into invasive meningococcal disease
Symptoms include fever, headache, loss of appetite, nausea, neck stiffness, discomfort when looking at bright lights
Source: Better Health Victoria
Health authorities are offering a free vaccine from next week after eight men were struck down with the disease's C-strain since May.

Victoria's deputy chief health officer, Brett Sutton, said almost all the patients identified as gay or bisexual.

"Eight doesn't sound like a big number, but if this were to affect the whole of Melbourne at the same rate as it's affected men who have sex with men, we'd be talking about a couple of hundred cases over a few months," he said.

"My message to this group in the community is simple: If you are vaccinated, you protect yourself and others around you by reducing the spread of the disease."
Meningococcal disease is uncommon but it can be deadly.

Meningococcal bacteria under the microscope.
PHOTO: Authorities think the bacteria was transmitted through kissing. (Supplied: Healthdirect.gov.au)
Ten per cent of cases are fatal within 24 to 48 hours of diagnosis.

The bacteria lives in the throat and nose and is passed on through close and prolonged contact.

"That includes intimate kissing and we think that's what's dr

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Reply #128 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 12:47pm

bwood1946 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 12:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:23am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:11am:

Has the world ended yet?

One more month to go.

The end of the world is scheduled for January 9, 2018

Gay men are being urged to get vaccinated against meningococcal disease after a sudden outbreak in Melbourne.

Meningococcal disease:

There are five main strains of meningococcal disease: A, C, W, Y and B
The disease is uncommon but serious
Meningococcal bacteria is passed on through regular close, prolonged or intimate contact with infected secretions from the back of the nose and throat
The bacteria can develop into invasive meningococcal disease
Symptoms include fever, headache, loss of appetite, nausea, neck stiffness, discomfort when looking at bright lights
Source: Better Health Victoria
Health authorities are offering a free vaccine from next week after eight men were struck down with the disease's C-strain since May.

Victoria's deputy chief health officer, Brett Sutton, said almost all the patients identified as gay or bisexual.

"Eight doesn't sound like a big number, but if this were to affect the whole of Melbourne at the same rate as it's affected men who have sex with men, we'd be talking about a couple of hundred cases over a few months," he said.

"My message to this group in the community is simple: If you are vaccinated, you protect yourself and others around you by reducing the spread of the disease."
Meningococcal disease is uncommon but it can be deadly.

Meningococcal bacteria under the microscope.
PHOTO: Authorities think the bacteria was transmitted through kissing. (Supplied: Healthdirect.gov.au)
Ten per cent of cases are fatal within 24 to 48 hours of diagnosis.

The bacteria lives in the throat and nose and is passed on through close and prolonged contact.

"That includes intimate kissing and we think that's what's dr

Grin

And go back to my comment when you posted this the first time.

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Reply #129 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 12:51pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:29am:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?

Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?

Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

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I have never heard of the decency defence. Is that what they used to use for lynching gays? Do you think orgies might have something to do with sexuality?

Can a cake shop refuse to sell gay cakes, so long as they refuse to sell them to straight couples also?

Let me explain it this way....If your spear fishing business only caters for spear fishing tours spearing dolphins and stuff and some people want to charter your dingi for some whale watching you could refuse because you do not offer that service....If you refuse because someone is gay and you tell them you don't service queers you could be in trouble!!!

Wink

But I would be fine if I refused on the grounds that I consider anal sex indecent?

Sure you would....You could also use the defence I thought he was a Muslim as a two edged sword!!!

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Are you having trouble making up your mind Phil?

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Reply #130 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 6:53pm

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 12:51pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:29am:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 10:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

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Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh

As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?

Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?

Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

Roll Eyes

I have never heard of the decency defence. Is that what they used to use for lynching gays? Do you think orgies might have something to do with sexuality?

Can a cake shop refuse to sell gay cakes, so long as they refuse to sell them to straight couples also?

Let me explain it this way....If your spear fishing business only caters for spear fishing tours spearing dolphins and stuff and some people want to charter your dingi for some whale watching you could refuse because you do not offer that service....If you refuse because someone is gay and you tell them you don't service queers you could be in trouble!!!

Wink

But I would be fine if I refused on the grounds that I consider anal sex indecent?

Sure you would....You could also use the defence I thought he was a Muslim as a two edged sword!!!

Roll Eyes

Are you having trouble making up your mind Phil?

No....Are you having trouble understanding the law FD???

Huh

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Reply #131 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:06pm

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Non-Muslim staff told to wear headscarves in Adelaide
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An Islamic College in Adelaide has threatened to dismiss its non-Muslim female staff if they don't wear headscarves, as critics say it's wrong to compel women to identify with a religion they don't practice.
Updated
Updated 26 August 2013
An Adelaide school's dress policy has exposed a grey area in Australia's discrimination laws.

The Adelaide Islamic College has long had an unwritten rule that female staff would wear hijab or if they weren't Muslim, headscarves.

The last principal had relaxed that rule. Now the board has reinforced the dress code policy in writing.
The school has been told by its lawyers not to comment. SBS understands one staffer was warned of dismissal if she didn't abide by the new code.

The union says this is plainly wrong.
"People who've been employed at that school for many years have been able to dress modestly without any particular problem, but this redefining under the threat of sacking is quite extreme and we don't agree with it", says Glen Seidel from the Independent Education Union.
"People who have been quite openly employed as not Muslim are being forced to identify within the community as if they are," added Mr Seidel. "There has to be a more sensible way of getting the modesty requirement sorted without the religious identity".
Minister for Education and Multicultural Affairs Jennifer Rankin says this situation highlights a grey area in the legislation.
"Our ambulance officers wear uniforms, our nurses wear uniforms, this is slightly different as in this is a religious school and obviously they have standards they want upheld, so it's an unusual circumstance where we've got a situation allegedly where someone is being asked to wear hijab rather than remove the hijab".
"Whether it's the equal opportunity act in terms of discrimination or the Fair Work Act, I think it's premature to say," said Ms Rankin. "I think it could be a test case in one or two jurisdictions and yet to be clear about which or both".
There are also implications for the school's funding.
"We provide them with something like 23 per cent of their funding, and in that contract obviously it is an obligation to abide by the laws of South Australia," said Minister Rankin.
The school is facing a tricky task, balancing its religious ideals with the individual's right to choose what, if any, religious identity they display.

Source: SBS

They're a private school; they can set whatever rules they want for their staff.

Isn't religious freedom to discriminate what some people want???

Huh

Private individuals and small businesses should be allowed to discriminate against whomever they wish. If I walked into a baker's shop, and the owner said to me: "sorry mate, your skin colour is brown, get out of my shop, I would be slightly upset, but I would respect that person's right to kick me out of his/her shop.

Now, corporations, which are incorporated objects have no natural rights - natural rights only applies to individual persons, and also small businesses which have an individualised component. For e.g. the government would be well within its rights to regulate the rights of Google as a company but not the actions of a independent baker; but not 'Baker's Delight' or another chain, which has an 'individual' component to it.

You don't know what respect is mate....Not so long ago in the United States they had a system you are advocating for where Negro's where not allowed to ride on a bus with white people, drink from the same fountain or allowed into certain shops / stores (n!ggers keep out)....If this is the type of Society you want then you are going to be disappointed because it ain't gonna happen mate....Perhaps you should migrate to South Africa!!!

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How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?

I'm not sure and I could easily be wrong but I seem to remember the cake buyer wanting Adam and Steve dolls on the top not Adam and Eve dolls. If that was the case the whole thing could have been avoided by making the cake and saying we have no Adam and Steve dolls and don't intend ordering any, go buy your own and stick it on top of the cake. But both sides got butt hurt and this is where it is at now.

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Reply #134 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:44pm

Setanta wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:26pm:

lee wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?

I'm not sure and I could easily be wrong but I seem to remember the cake buyer wanting Adam and Steve dolls on the top not Adam and Eve dolls. If that was the case the whole thing could have been avoided by making the cake and saying we have no Adam and Steve dolls and don't intend ordering any, go buy your own and stick it on top of the cake. But both sides got butt hurt and this is where it is at now.

The Bible talks about the family -

it talks about Adam and Eve not

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Reply #135 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:26pm:

lee wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?

I'm not sure and I could easily be wrong but I seem to remember the cake buyer wanting Adam and Steve dolls on the top not Adam and Eve dolls. If that was the case the whole thing could have been avoided by making the cake and saying we have no Adam and Steve dolls and don't intend ordering any, go buy your own and stick it on top of the cake. But both sides got butt hurt and this is where it is at now.

The Bible talks about the family -

it talks about Adam and Eve not

Adam and Steve.

Would you eat the icing on a gay wedding cake? Hate to think what it's made of.

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Reply #136 - Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:48pm

Setanta wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:26pm:

lee wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?

I'm not sure and I could easily be wrong but I seem to remember the cake buyer wanting Adam and Steve dolls on the top not Adam and Eve dolls. If that was the case the whole thing could have been avoided by making the cake and saying we have no Adam and Steve dolls and don't intend ordering any, go buy your own and stick it on top of the cake. But both sides got butt hurt and this is where it is at now.

That's what I was thinking to, but I have not been able to find any references to it.

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Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:26pm:

lee wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?

I'm not sure and I could easily be wrong but I seem to remember the cake buyer wanting Adam and Steve dolls on the top not Adam and Eve dolls. If that was the case the whole thing could have been avoided by making the cake and saying we have no Adam and Steve dolls and don't intend ordering any, go buy your own and stick it on top of the cake. But both sides got butt hurt and this is where it is at now.

The Bible talks about the family -

it talks about Adam and Eve not

Adam and Steve.

Would you eat the icing on a gay wedding cake? Hate to think what it's made of.

I wouldn't be caught dead at a homosexual wedding
yet alone eating a homosexual cake.

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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:02pm:

lee wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?

It was caught trying to mate with another wedding cake???

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The cake had AIDS and was covered in kaposi sarcomas.

They weren't chocolate drops then?

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Reply #142 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 11:16am

Bobby. wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:04pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:26pm:

lee wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?

I'm not sure and I could easily be wrong but I seem to remember the cake buyer wanting Adam and Steve dolls on the top not Adam and Eve dolls. If that was the case the whole thing could have been avoided by making the cake and saying we have no Adam and Steve dolls and don't intend ordering any, go buy your own and stick it on top of the cake. But both sides got butt hurt and this is where it is at now.

The Bible talks about the family -

it talks about Adam and Eve not

Adam and Steve.

Would you eat the icing on a gay wedding cake? Hate to think what it's made of.

I wouldn't be caught dead at a homosexual wedding
yet alone eating a homosexual cake.

What about a double layer fruit cake with nuts on top Bobby....Nice????

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Reply #143 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 1:29pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 10:02pm:

lee wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

How did they determine that the wedding cake was gay?

It was caught trying to mate with another wedding cake???

Huh

In updated news....The owner of the gay wedding cake said that this behaviour was disgusting and unacceptable....There was a perfectly adorable Black Forest Cake available and just imaging if this behaviour caught on to the Custard Tarts....The owner assured customers the gay wedding cake has been put back in it's box!!!

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Reply #144 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 9:38pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:06pm:

Auggie wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 12:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

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Non-Muslim staff told to wear headscarves in Adelaide
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An Islamic College in Adelaide has threatened to dismiss its non-Muslim female staff if they don't wear headscarves, as critics say it's wrong to compel women to identify with a religion they don't practice.
Updated
Updated 26 August 2013
An Adelaide school's dress policy has exposed a grey area in Australia's discrimination laws.

The Adelaide Islamic College has long had an unwritten rule that female staff would wear hijab or if they weren't Muslim, headscarves.

The last principal had relaxed that rule. Now the board has reinforced the dress code policy in writing.
The school has been told by its lawyers not to comment. SBS understands one staffer was warned of dismissal if she didn't abide by the new code.

The union says this is plainly wrong.
"People who've been employed at that school for many years have been able to dress modestly without any particular problem, but this redefining under the threat of sacking is quite extreme and we don't agree with it", says Glen Seidel from the Independent Education Union.
"People who have been quite openly employed as not Muslim are being forced to identify within the community as if they are," added Mr Seidel. "There has to be a more sensible way of getting the modesty requirement sorted without the religious identity".
Minister for Education and Multicultural Affairs Jennifer Rankin says this situation highlights a grey area in the legislation.
"Our ambulance officers wear uniforms, our nurses wear uniforms, this is slightly different as in this is a religious school and obviously they have standards they want upheld, so it's an unusual circumstance where we've got a situation allegedly where someone is being asked to wear hijab rather than remove the hijab".
"Whether it's the equal opportunity act in terms of discrimination or the Fair Work Act, I think it's premature to say," said Ms Rankin. "I think it could be a test case in one or two jurisdictions and yet to be clear about which or both".
There are also implications for the school's funding.
"We provide them with something like 23 per cent of their funding, and in that contract obviously it is an obligation to abide by the laws of South Australia," said Minister Rankin.
The school is facing a tricky task, balancing its religious ideals with the individual's right to choose what, if any, religious identity they display.

Source: SBS

They're a private school; they can set whatever rules they want for their staff.

Isn't religious freedom to discriminate what some people want???

Huh

Private individuals and small businesses should be allowed to discriminate against whomever they wish. If I walked into a baker's shop, and the owner said to me: "sorry mate, your skin colour is brown, get out of my shop, I would be slightly upset, but I would respect that person's right to kick me out of his/her shop.

Now, corporations, which are incorporated objects have no natural rights - natural rights only applies to individual persons, and also small businesses which have an individualised component. For e.g. the government would be well within its rights to regulate the rights of Google as a company but not the actions of a independent baker; but not 'Baker's Delight' or another chain, which has an 'individual' component to it.

You don't know what respect is mate....Not so long ago in the United States they had a system you are advocating for where Negro's where not allowed to ride on a bus with white people, drink from the same fountain or allowed into certain shops / stores (n!ggers keep out)....If this is the type of Society you want then you are going to be disappointed because it ain't gonna happen mate....Perhaps you should migrate to South Africa!!!

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You’re conflating two different things, Phil.

First, segregation was about denying equal access to public facilities. I wasn’t talking about public facilities, I was taking about private individuals and small/family businesses only. Large corporations shouldn’t be allowed to discriminate since corporations aren’t people.

A small/family business refusing to serve me doesn’t mean that I can’t travel on a public bus.

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Reply #146 - Dec 10^th, 2017 at 12:42pm

Auggie wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 9:38pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:06pm:

Auggie wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 12:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

Auggie wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 3:38pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7^th, 2017 at 3:05pm:

Non-Muslim staff told to wear headscarves in Adelaide
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An Islamic College in Adelaide has threatened to dismiss its non-Muslim female staff if they don't wear headscarves, as critics say it's wrong to compel women to identify with a religion they don't practice.
Updated
Updated 26 August 2013
An Adelaide school's dress policy has exposed a grey area in Australia's discrimination laws.

The Adelaide Islamic College has long had an unwritten rule that female staff would wear hijab or if they weren't Muslim, headscarves.

The last principal had relaxed that rule. Now the board has reinforced the dress code policy in writing.
The school has been told by its lawyers not to comment. SBS understands one staffer was warned of dismissal if she didn't abide by the new code.

The union says this is plainly wrong.
"People who've been employed at that school for many years have been able to dress modestly without any particular problem, but this redefining under the threat of sacking is quite extreme and we don't agree with it", says Glen Seidel from the Independent Education Union.
"People who have been quite openly employed as not Muslim are being forced to identify within the community as if they are," added Mr Seidel. "There has to be a more sensible way of getting the modesty requirement sorted without the religious identity".
Minister for Education and Multicultural Affairs Jennifer Rankin says this situation highlights a grey area in the legislation.
"Our ambulance officers wear uniforms, our nurses wear uniforms, this is slightly different as in this is a religious school and obviously they have standards they want upheld, so it's an unusual circumstance where we've got a situation allegedly where someone is being asked to wear hijab rather than remove the hijab".
"Whether it's the equal opportunity act in terms of discrimination or the Fair Work Act, I think it's premature to say," said Ms Rankin. "I think it could be a test case in one or two jurisdictions and yet to be clear about which or both".
There are also implications for the school's funding.
"We provide them with something like 23 per cent of their funding, and in that contract obviously it is an obligation to abide by the laws of South Australia," said Minister Rankin.
The school is facing a tricky task, balancing its religious ideals with the individual's right to choose what, if any, religious identity they display.

Source: SBS

They're a private school; they can set whatever rules they want for their staff.

Isn't religious freedom to discriminate what some people want???

Huh

Private individuals and small businesses should be allowed to discriminate against whomever they wish. If I walked into a baker's shop, and the owner said to me: "sorry mate, your skin colour is brown, get out of my shop, I would be slightly upset, but I would respect that person's right to kick me out of his/her shop.

Now, corporations, which are incorporated objects have no natural rights - natural rights only applies to individual persons, and also small businesses which have an individualised component. For e.g. the government would be well within its rights to regulate the rights of Google as a company but not the actions of a independent baker; but not 'Baker's Delight' or another chain, which has an 'individual' component to it.

You don't know what respect is mate....Not so long ago in the United States they had a system you are advocating for where Negro's where not allowed to ride on a bus with white people, drink from the same fountain or allowed into certain shops / stores (n!ggers keep out)....If this is the type of Society you want then you are going to be disappointed because it ain't gonna happen mate....Perhaps you should migrate to South Africa!!!

Roll Eyes

You’re conflating two different things, Phil.

First, segregation was about denying equal access to public facilities. I wasn’t talking about public facilities, I was taking about private individuals and small/family businesses only. Large corporations shouldn’t be allowed to discriminate since corporations aren’t people.

A small/family business refusing to serve me doesn’t mean that I can’t travel on a public bus.

I used an example of a private enterprise refusing to provide services to minorities that covers your proposition....A shop owner refusing to serve a minority is not respect unless it is respect for everyone's right to be a bigot....You are proposing a General Store in a country town can refuse to serve Aborigines not because they have done anything wrong just because of the colour of their skin....You are proposing we set back the civil rights movement 50 years why, because gay people can get married and you think this is a small way to continue the persecution or is their a more sinister motive???

Huh

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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 12:42pm:

I used an example of a private enterprise refusing to provide services to minorities that covers your proposition....A shop owner refusing to serve a minority is not respect unless it is respect for everyone's right to be a bigot....You are proposing a General Store in a country town can refuse to serve Aborigines not because they have done anything wrong just because of the colour of their skin....You are proposing we set back the civil rights movement 50 years why, because gay people can get married and you think this is a small way to continue the persecution or is their a more sinister motive???

Huh

Phil you keep completely ignoring the facts of the case. He was more than happy to serve the gay couple. He was not prepared to create a particular customised product for them.

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freediver wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 2:13pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 12:42pm:

I used an example of a private enterprise refusing to provide services to minorities that covers your proposition....A shop owner refusing to serve a minority is not respect unless it is respect for everyone's right to be a bigot....You are proposing a General Store in a country town can refuse to serve Aborigines not because they have done anything wrong just because of the colour of their skin....You are proposing we set back the civil rights movement 50 years why, because gay people can get married and you think this is a small way to continue the persecution or is their a more sinister motive???

Huh

Phil you keep completely ignoring the facts of the case. He was more than happy to serve the gay couple. He was not prepared to create a particular customised product for them.

Errr....I was responding to another posters comment???

Huh

If you make custom cakes on request you have no legal basis to refuse anyone....Whom do you propose people should be allowed to discriminate against FD and on what basis???

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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 3:18pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 2:13pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 12:42pm:

I used an example of a private enterprise refusing to provide services to minorities that covers your proposition....A shop owner refusing to serve a minority is not respect unless it is respect for everyone's right to be a bigot....You are proposing a General Store in a country town can refuse to serve Aborigines not because they have done anything wrong just because of the colour of their skin....You are proposing we set back the civil rights movement 50 years why, because gay people can get married and you think this is a small way to continue the persecution or is their a more sinister motive???

Huh

Phil you keep completely ignoring the facts of the case. He was more than happy to serve the gay couple. He was not prepared to create a particular customised product for them.

Errr....I was responding to another posters comment???

Huh

If you make custom cakes on request you have no legal basis to refuse anyone....Whom do you propose people should be allowed to discriminate against FD and on what basis???

Huh

Of course you have a right to refuse. A good legal basis is that you do not sell the particular product they are asking for.

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Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 9:23pm:

Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?

Yes of course....You could force any company to make any product line you dictate!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 10:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 9:23pm:

Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?

Yes of course....You could force any company to make any product line you dictate!!!

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Don't you see a cake shop as a factory for making cakes?

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Reply #154 - Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:02pm

freediver wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 9:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 3:18pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 2:13pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 12:42pm:

I used an example of a private enterprise refusing to provide services to minorities that covers your proposition....A shop owner refusing to serve a minority is not respect unless it is respect for everyone's right to be a bigot....You are proposing a General Store in a country town can refuse to serve Aborigines not because they have done anything wrong just because of the colour of their skin....You are proposing we set back the civil rights movement 50 years why, because gay people can get married and you think this is a small way to continue the persecution or is their a more sinister motive???

Huh

Phil you keep completely ignoring the facts of the case. He was more than happy to serve the gay couple. He was not prepared to create a particular customised product for them.

Errr....I was responding to another posters comment???

Huh

If you make custom cakes on request you have no legal basis to refuse anyone....Whom do you propose people should be allowed to discriminate against FD and on what basis???

Huh

Of course you have a right to refuse. A good legal basis is that you do not sell the particular product they are asking for.

Yes as I have been saying all along....However the baker in question never even found out what product he was refusing to provide....The ruling on this case should be interesting???

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Reply #155 - Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:06pm

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:00pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 10:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 9:23pm:

Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?

Yes of course....You could force any company to make any product line you dictate!!!

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Don't you see a cake shop as a factory for making cakes?

You are joking right....Does the factory make custom cakes to order???

Huh

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Reply #156 - Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:11pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:06pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:00pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 10:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 9:23pm:

Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?

Yes of course....You could force any company to make any product line you dictate!!!

Roll Eyes

Don't you see a cake shop as a factory for making cakes?

You are joking right....Does the factory make custom cakes to order???

Huh

What? You just said you can't order a manufacturer to make a particular product that they are equipped to make and in the material the manufacturer say he can make in any shape so why must a cake manufacturer be help to a different standard?

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Reply #157 - Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:14pm

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:06pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:00pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 10:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 9:23pm:

Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?

Yes of course....You could force any company to make any product line you dictate!!!

Roll Eyes

Don't you see a cake shop as a factory for making cakes?

You are joking right....Does the factory make custom cakes to order???

Huh

What? You just said you can't order a manufacturer to make a particular product that they are equipped to make and in the material the manufacturer say he can make in any shape so why must a cake manufacturer be help to a different standard?

Bullshit....Read my response again and apologise!!!

You could go to Boeing and force them to build you a submarine especially if you are gay!!!

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Reply #158 - Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:17pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:14pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:06pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:00pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 10:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 9:23pm:

Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?

Yes of course....You could force any company to make any product line you dictate!!!

Roll Eyes

Don't you see a cake shop as a factory for making cakes?

You are joking right....Does the factory make custom cakes to order???

Huh

What? You just said you can't order a manufacturer to make a particular product that they are equipped to make and in the material the manufacturer say he can make in any shape so why must a cake manufacturer be help to a different standard?

Bullshit....Read my response again and apologise!!!

You could go to Boeing and force them to build you a submarine especially if you are gay!!!

Roll Eyes

No need to take that tone with me Brian, I know what I said, I suggest you reread. I never said the factory makes cakes, I said it specialises in making products from latex in any form the customer wants.

edit: You said it was OK for such a manufacturer to turn down that order. I'm asking what is the difference between that and cake, besides the materials.

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Reply #159 - Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:23pm

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:17pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:14pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:06pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:00pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 10:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 9:23pm:

Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?

Yes of course....You could force any company to make any product line you dictate!!!

Roll Eyes

Don't you see a cake shop as a factory for making cakes?

You are joking right....Does the factory make custom cakes to order???

Huh

What? You just said you can't order a manufacturer to make a particular product that they are equipped to make and in the material the manufacturer say he can make in any shape so why must a cake manufacturer be help to a different standard?

Bullshit....Read my response again and apologise!!!

You could go to Boeing and force them to build you a submarine especially if you are gay!!!

Roll Eyes

No need to take that tone with me Brian, I know what I said, I suggest you reread. I never said the factory makes cakes, I said it specialises in making products from latex in any form the customer wants.

edit: You said it was OK for such a manufacturer to turn down that order. I'm asking what is the difference between that and cake, besides the materials.

Who is Brian....Is that some sort of insult???

The cake shop provides custom made (to order) cakes and the factory provides mass produced products....I thought you where joking???

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Reply #160 - Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:27pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:17pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:14pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:06pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:00pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 10:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 9:23pm:

Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?

Yes of course....You could force any company to make any product line you dictate!!!

Roll Eyes

Don't you see a cake shop as a factory for making cakes?

You are joking right....Does the factory make custom cakes to order???

Huh

What? You just said you can't order a manufacturer to make a particular product that they are equipped to make and in the material the manufacturer say he can make in any shape so why must a cake manufacturer be help to a different standard?

Bullshit....Read my response again and apologise!!!

You could go to Boeing and force them to build you a submarine especially if you are gay!!!

Roll Eyes

No need to take that tone with me Brian, I know what I said, I suggest you reread. I never said the factory makes cakes, I said it specialises in making products from latex in any form the customer wants.

edit: You said it was OK for such a manufacturer to turn down that order. I'm asking what is the difference between that and cake, besides the materials.

Who is Brian....Is that some sort of insult???

The cake shop provides custom made (to order) cakes and the factory provides mass produced products....I thought you where joking???

Smiley

Oops, no, it was a slip, sorry. Not intentional. I hope you accept my apology for that and answer the question better than that. The factory can make anything out of Latex. If you pay enough they will do one offs like any capitalist.

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Reply #161 - Dec 11^th, 2017 at 12:16am

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 2:19am:

So many of you have gone so far down the road to Bizarro world that you can't see that a business owner once had Rights too. The fair thing is that the Baker in this case loses a sale. Forcing him to perform services he won't do otherwise is a form of Slavery. "We reserve the Right to refuse service to anyone" was once recognized as the owners freedom of choice. Now a pair of rump rangers and the courts of Colorado will probably force an honest business man to lose his livelihood.

It still IS the "owners freedom of choice" - and will continue to BE so
Just as the civil celebrant - as a private enterprise service provider - holds the same right

Registry office - government employed - celebrants, must ALWAYS apply the law of the land - without fear or favour - or find another job

The "houses of god" have ALWAYS held a legal right to say who they will and who they won't marry

All of this "slippery slope" fabrication was a creation of the "NO" argument leading up to the recent ABS opinion poll
And all based on tales from a f*cked up American legal system
NOTHING here related to Australian law

For myself - I won't be seeking any blessing from religious organisations who've been flinging hatred at me, all my life
Nor will I be looking to give hundreds of any homophobic bigot for a wedding cake

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Reply #162 - Dec 11^th, 2017 at 12:46am

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 12:16am:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 2:19am:

So many of you have gone so far down the road to Bizarro world that you can't see that a business owner once had Rights too. The fair thing is that the Baker in this case loses a sale. Forcing him to perform services he won't do otherwise is a form of Slavery. "We reserve the Right to refuse service to anyone" was once recognized as the owners freedom of choice. Now a pair of rump rangers and the courts of Colorado will probably force an honest business man to lose his livelihood.

It still IS the "owners freedom of choice" - and will continue to BE so
Just as the civil celebrant - as a private enterprise service provider - holds the same right

Registry office - government employed - celebrants, must ALWAYS apply the law of the land - without fear or favour - or find another job

The "houses of god" have ALWAYS held a legal right to say who they will and who they won't marry

All of this "slippery slope" fabrication was a creation of the "NO" argument leading up to the recent ABS opinion poll
And all based on tales from a f*cked up American legal system
NOTHING here related to Australian law

For myself - I won't be seeking any blessing from religious organisations who've been flinging hatred at me, all my life
Nor will I be looking to give hundreds of any homophobic bigot for a wedding cake

I'm not a poof but was married by a civil celebrant in a public place. I don't understand the butt hurt, just do business elsewhere and take your friends with you. I'm not religious or dogmatic. I can't see what the poofs hope to gain beyond forcing someone to do something against their will. Buy a smacking cake somewhere that want's to make it. It's not 1955 Alabama, they could have a cake flown around the world, there is no shortage of people that would make it for them for a price. It seems much more about how far you can bend someone to your will or the will of the pitchfork holders.

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Reply #164 - Dec 11^th, 2017 at 7:28am

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

This is the failure of the Civil Rights Act, the individual has no Rights when a member of a recognized group feels discriminated against.

Can anyone out sort through this hysterical rant and gibberish ...

- then let us ALL know who these victims of discrimination are,
as a fallout from Marriage Equality Legislation in Australia ?

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Reply #165 - Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:06am

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:27pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:17pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:14pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:06pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 11:00pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 10:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 9:23pm:

Phil, would a factory that could make any latex product you choose be liable if they refused to take your order to make dildos? The owner of the factory may not like making dildos, even while they can, because dykes use them. Is that OK?

Yes of course....You could force any company to make any product line you dictate!!!

Roll Eyes

Don't you see a cake shop as a factory for making cakes?

You are joking right....Does the factory make custom cakes to order???

Huh

What? You just said you can't order a manufacturer to make a particular product that they are equipped to make and in the material the manufacturer say he can make in any shape so why must a cake manufacturer be help to a different standard?

Bullshit....Read my response again and apologise!!!

You could go to Boeing and force them to build you a submarine especially if you are gay!!!

Roll Eyes

No need to take that tone with me Brian, I know what I said, I suggest you reread. I never said the factory makes cakes, I said it specialises in making products from latex in any form the customer wants.

edit: You said it was OK for such a manufacturer to turn down that order. I'm asking what is the difference between that and cake, besides the materials.

Who is Brian....Is that some sort of insult???

The cake shop provides custom made (to order) cakes and the factory provides mass produced products....I thought you where joking???

Smiley

Oops, no, it was a slip, sorry. Not intentional. I hope you accept my apology for that and answer the question better than that. The factory can make anything out of Latex. If you pay enough they will do one offs like any capitalist.

If you refuse to provide a product to someone based on their race religion or sexuality then you can fall foul of the anti discrimination act....If you refuse because you do not provide or make a certain product it would come down to the reason you cannot make that product....If the reason is because you are discriminating against the customer then you can be charged under the act!!!

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They were happy to sell to the gay customers, as explained in the original article and pointed out many times since. If you make a customised product it is entirely at your discretion what product you create. The distinction between discriminating against a product vs customer in that context is meaningless.

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Reply #167 - Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:04am

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:47am:

They were happy to sell to the gay customers, as explained in the original article and pointed out many times since. If you make a customised product it is entirely at your discretion what product you create. The distinction between discriminating against a product vs customer in that context is meaningless.

Really....So it makes absolutely no difference what the customer wants....Do you understand what customised means....Try to understand the law and not what you believe should be the law!!!

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Reply #168 - Dec 11^th, 2017 at 10:11am

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 7:28am:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

This is the failure of the Civil Rights Act, the individual has no Rights when a member of a recognized group feels discriminated against.

Can anyone out sort through this hysterical rant and gibberish ...

- then let us ALL know who these victims of discrimination are,
as a fallout from Marriage Equality Legislation in Australia ?

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you!

Stop thinking of it as discrimination and see it as freedom of choice. Someone else can bake the cake and make the sale. The disappointed customer can take the rest of his business elsewhere in protest.

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Reply #169 - Dec 11^th, 2017 at 12:09pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:04am:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:47am:

They were happy to sell to the gay customers, as explained in the original article and pointed out many times since. If you make a customised product it is entirely at your discretion what product you create. The distinction between discriminating against a product vs customer in that context is meaningless.

Really....So it makes absolutely no difference what the customer wants....Do you understand what customised means....Try to understand the law and not what you believe should be the law!!!

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Do you know what discretion means Phil?

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Reply #170 - Dec 11^th, 2017 at 1:06pm

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:04am:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:47am:

They were happy to sell to the gay customers, as explained in the original article and pointed out many times since. If you make a customised product it is entirely at your discretion what product you create. The distinction between discriminating against a product vs customer in that context is meaningless.

Really....So it makes absolutely no difference what the customer wants....Do you understand what customised means....Try to understand the law and not what you believe should be the law!!!

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Do you know what discretion means Phil?

Yes....Do you know what the law is???

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Reply #171 - Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:21pm

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 10:11am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 7:28am:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

This is the failure of the Civil Rights Act, the individual has no Rights when a member of a recognized group feels discriminated against.

Can anyone out sort through this hysterical rant and gibberish ...

- then let us ALL know who these victims of discrimination are,
as a fallout from Marriage Equality Legislation in Australia ?

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you!

Stop thinking of it as discrimination and see it as freedom of choice. Someone else can bake the cake and make the sale. The disappointed customer can take the rest of his business elsewhere in protest.

... and THAT - dear naïve one -is what we know as the "free market" and "democracy"

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #172 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 12:37pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 1:06pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:04am:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:47am:

They were happy to sell to the gay customers, as explained in the original article and pointed out many times since. If you make a customised product it is entirely at your discretion what product you create. The distinction between discriminating against a product vs customer in that context is meaningless.

Really....So it makes absolutely no difference what the customer wants....Do you understand what customised means....Try to understand the law and not what you believe should be the law!!!

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Do you know what discretion means Phil?

Yes....Do you know what the law is???

Huh

So why did you post that crap about it making no difference what the customer wants? What point are you trying to make?

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Reply #173 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 12:50pm

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

This is the failure of the Civil Rights Act, the individual has no Rights when a member of a recognized group feels discriminated against.

if a female turned up and demanded entrance to an all male club..... do they have the right not to admit her??.. or if they do allow her in ... not to serve her??..

what are the laws on that???...

I seem to recall where certain councils had made rules where public swimming pools could be closed at certain times and made available for females swimmers only...

meaning if a male swimmer turned up during that time he would be refused service....

so what is the difference refusing to make a cake?...

btw I will make a freaking wedding cake if the price is right!

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Reply #174 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 2:26pm

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 12:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 1:06pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:04am:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:47am:

They were happy to sell to the gay customers, as explained in the original article and pointed out many times since. If you make a customised product it is entirely at your discretion what product you create. The distinction between discriminating against a product vs customer in that context is meaningless.

Really....So it makes absolutely no difference what the customer wants....Do you understand what customised means....Try to understand the law and not what you believe should be the law!!!

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Do you know what discretion means Phil?

Yes....Do you know what the law is???

Huh

So why did you post that crap about it making no difference what the customer wants? What point are you trying to make?

It has everything to do with what the customer wants....What are you talking about???

Huh

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14000 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court. Reply #176 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 5:16pm I'd imagine these "persecuted" wedding cake bakers would have a few issues with this sort of cake - as well - if they thought they'd get away with it and boy, this one would REALLY blow a gasket !
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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #177 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 5:25pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 2:30pm:

All the baker has to say is they make certain cakes. Write up a menu.
If it ain't on the menu then we don't sell it. No gay cake for you.

Arnotts biscuits are made to halal standard yet there is no stamp on the package.

Fair enough....Where does a baker stand who advertises custom cakes made to order???

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Reply #178 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 6:00pm

cods wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

This is the failure of the Civil Rights Act, the individual has no Rights when a member of a recognized group feels discriminated against.

if a female turned up and demanded entrance to an all male club..... do they have the right not to admit her??.. or if they do allow her in ... not to serve her??..

what are the laws on that???...

You can hire a venue for a private function Cods or require membership (club)....If it was open to the public then anyone can enter provided they adhere to dress codes ect!!!

I seem to recall where certain councils had made rules where public swimming pools could be closed at certain times and made available for females swimmers only...

The council could hire out the pool at certain times the same they do for schools!!!

meaning if a male swimmer turned up during that time he would be refused service....

If the pool is reserved for a private group, no one would be allowed in!!!

so what is the difference refusing to make a cake?...

You cannot deny service based on race, religion or sexuality in Australia or the USA....The examples you give are not discriminating against anyone based on that criteria!!!

btw I will make a freaking wedding cake if the price is right!

Good on you Cods!!!

I hope that explains it for you Cods!!!

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #179 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 8:30pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 12:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 1:06pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:04am:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:47am:

They were happy to sell to the gay customers, as explained in the original article and pointed out many times since. If you make a customised product it is entirely at your discretion what product you create. The distinction between discriminating against a product vs customer in that context is meaningless.

Really....So it makes absolutely no difference what the customer wants....Do you understand what customised means....Try to understand the law and not what you believe should be the law!!!

Roll Eyes

Do you know what discretion means Phil?

Yes....Do you know what the law is???

Huh

So why did you post that crap about it making no difference what the customer wants? What point are you trying to make?

It has everything to do with what the customer wants....What are you talking about???

Huh

I am trying to get you to make sense. Never mind.

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Reply #180 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 9:43pm

The main lesson everyone is meant to learn here and in any similar situation is that the Gay Agenda tops your Religious Faith. They can't just move on to the next Baker, this one must be punished. The first Judge to hear this complaint should have had the common decency to tell these offended citizens to drop it and find a different baker!

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Reply #181 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 9:46pm

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 9:43pm:

The main lesson everyone is meant to learn here and in any similar situation is that the Gay Agenda tops your Religious Faith. They can't just move on to the next Baker, this one must be punished. The first Judge to hear this complaint should have had the common decency to tell these offended citizens to drop it and find a different baker!

No, it just needs to be handled differently without either side getting butt hurt. What could the poofs have done if the shop said "No we have no Adam and Steve dolls and we have none on order, we can make the cake but you'll have to find your own decorations."

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #182 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:30pm

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 12:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 1:06pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:04am:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:47am:

They were happy to sell to the gay customers, as explained in the original article and pointed out many times since. If you make a customised product it is entirely at your discretion what product you create. The distinction between discriminating against a product vs customer in that context is meaningless.

Really....So it makes absolutely no difference what the customer wants....Do you understand what customised means....Try to understand the law and not what you believe should be the law!!!

Roll Eyes

Do you know what discretion means Phil?

Yes....Do you know what the law is???

Huh

So why did you post that crap about it making no difference what the customer wants? What point are you trying to make?

It has everything to do with what the customer wants....What are you talking about???

Huh

I am trying to get you to make sense. Never mind.

FFS....If you refuse service to someone because they are queer you can be charged with discrimination....If you believe the facts in the case prove different then lets wait and see what the judge says about the law....The shop owner might well be acquitted after all it is America and some State laws vary....Lets see shall we???

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #183 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:33pm

Setanta wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 9:46pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 9:43pm:

The main lesson everyone is meant to learn here and in any similar situation is that the Gay Agenda tops your Religious Faith. They can't just move on to the next Baker, this one must be punished. The first Judge to hear this complaint should have had the common decency to tell these offended citizens to drop it and find a different baker!

No, it just needs to be handled differently without either side getting butt hurt. What could the poofs have done if the shop said "No we have no Adam and Steve dolls and we have none on order, we can make the cake but you'll have to find your own decorations."

Whats wrong with "No"? Hate the sin, love the sinner. His shop, his choice what he makes.

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Reply #184 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:46pm

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:33pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 9:46pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 9:43pm:

The main lesson everyone is meant to learn here and in any similar situation is that the Gay Agenda tops your Religious Faith. They can't just move on to the next Baker, this one must be punished. The first Judge to hear this complaint should have had the common decency to tell these offended citizens to drop it and find a different baker!

No, it just needs to be handled differently without either side getting butt hurt. What could the poofs have done if the shop said "No we have no Adam and Steve dolls and we have none on order, we can make the cake but you'll have to find your own decorations."

Whats wrong with "No"? Hate the sin, love the sinner. His shop, his choice what he makes.

He didn't ask what they wanted....He said he would not supply them a custom cake but they can buy anything off the shelf....The court must decide why he refused to provide the service he advertised to these particular men....His reason for refusing service is the whole case!!!

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #185 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:49pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:46pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:33pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 9:46pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 9:43pm:

The main lesson everyone is meant to learn here and in any similar situation is that the Gay Agenda tops your Religious Faith. They can't just move on to the next Baker, this one must be punished. The first Judge to hear this complaint should have had the common decency to tell these offended citizens to drop it and find a different baker!

No, it just needs to be handled differently without either side getting butt hurt. What could the poofs have done if the shop said "No we have no Adam and Steve dolls and we have none on order, we can make the cake but you'll have to find your own decorations."

Whats wrong with "No"? Hate the sin, love the sinner. His shop, his choice what he makes.

He didn't ask what they wanted....He said he would not supply them a custom cake but they can buy anything off the shelf....The court must decide why he refused to provide the service he advertised to these particular men....His reason for refusing service is the whole case!!!

What about if a church knocks back a gay wedding?

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Reply #186 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 11:01pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:46pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:33pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 9:46pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 9:43pm:

The main lesson everyone is meant to learn here and in any similar situation is that the Gay Agenda tops your Religious Faith. They can't just move on to the next Baker, this one must be punished. The first Judge to hear this complaint should have had the common decency to tell these offended citizens to drop it and find a different baker!

No, it just needs to be handled differently without either side getting butt hurt. What could the poofs have done if the shop said "No we have no Adam and Steve dolls and we have none on order, we can make the cake but you'll have to find your own decorations."

Whats wrong with "No"? Hate the sin, love the sinner. His shop, his choice what he makes.

He didn't ask what they wanted....He said he would not supply them a custom cake but they can buy anything off the shelf....The court must decide why he refused to provide the service he advertised to these particular men....His reason for refusing service is the whole case!!!

What about if a church knocks back a gay wedding?

How the f@#k would I know....The laws are different everywhere in the world and every religion is different....Perhaps you should ring your local church and ask if they will marry you and your boyfriend if you are concerned???

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Reply #187 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 11:04pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 11:01pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:46pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:33pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 9:46pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 9:43pm:

The main lesson everyone is meant to learn here and in any similar situation is that the Gay Agenda tops your Religious Faith. They can't just move on to the next Baker, this one must be punished. The first Judge to hear this complaint should have had the common decency to tell these offended citizens to drop it and find a different baker!

No, it just needs to be handled differently without either side getting butt hurt. What could the poofs have done if the shop said "No we have no Adam and Steve dolls and we have none on order, we can make the cake but you'll have to find your own decorations."

Whats wrong with "No"? Hate the sin, love the sinner. His shop, his choice what he makes.

He didn't ask what they wanted....He said he would not supply them a custom cake but they can buy anything off the shelf....The court must decide why he refused to provide the service he advertised to these particular men....His reason for refusing service is the whole case!!!

What about if a church knocks back a gay wedding?

How the f@#k would I know....The laws are different everywhere in the world and every religion is different....Perhaps you should ring your local church and ask if they will marry you and your boyfriend if you are concerned???

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Reply #188 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 11:10pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 11:04pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 11:01pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:46pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:33pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 9:46pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 9:43pm:

The main lesson everyone is meant to learn here and in any similar situation is that the Gay Agenda tops your Religious Faith. They can't just move on to the next Baker, this one must be punished. The first Judge to hear this complaint should have had the common decency to tell these offended citizens to drop it and find a different baker!

No, it just needs to be handled differently without either side getting butt hurt. What could the poofs have done if the shop said "No we have no Adam and Steve dolls and we have none on order, we can make the cake but you'll have to find your own decorations."

Whats wrong with "No"? Hate the sin, love the sinner. His shop, his choice what he makes.

He didn't ask what they wanted....He said he would not supply them a custom cake but they can buy anything off the shelf....The court must decide why he refused to provide the service he advertised to these particular men....His reason for refusing service is the whole case!!!

What about if a church knocks back a gay wedding?

How the f@#k would I know....The laws are different everywhere in the world and every religion is different....Perhaps you should ring your local church and ask if they will marry you and your boyfriend if you are concerned???

Roll Eyes

Using homosexuality as an insult? That's not very do-gooder of you. Roll Eyes

I am no do-gooder and I am not an advocate for gay people....Sorry to offend you!!!

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #189 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 11:11pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 11:10pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 11:04pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 11:01pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:46pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:33pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 9:46pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 9:43pm:

The main lesson everyone is meant to learn here and in any similar situation is that the Gay Agenda tops your Religious Faith. They can't just move on to the next Baker, this one must be punished. The first Judge to hear this complaint should have had the common decency to tell these offended citizens to drop it and find a different baker!

No, it just needs to be handled differently without either side getting butt hurt. What could the poofs have done if the shop said "No we have no Adam and Steve dolls and we have none on order, we can make the cake but you'll have to find your own decorations."

Whats wrong with "No"? Hate the sin, love the sinner. His shop, his choice what he makes.

He didn't ask what they wanted....He said he would not supply them a custom cake but they can buy anything off the shelf....The court must decide why he refused to provide the service he advertised to these particular men....His reason for refusing service is the whole case!!!

What about if a church knocks back a gay wedding?

How the f@#k would I know....The laws are different everywhere in the world and every religion is different....Perhaps you should ring your local church and ask if they will marry you and your boyfriend if you are concerned???

Roll Eyes

Using homosexuality as an insult? That's not very do-gooder of you. Roll Eyes

I am no do-gooder and I am not an advocate for gay people....Sorry to offend you!!!

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Reply #192 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 11:27pm

My point is that I don't care who this Baker refused a service to, the Law is discriminating against the smallest minority. The individual. While it is legal to force people to perform services they object to that doesn't make it right. Involuntary Servitude is alive and well in the good old United Socialist States of America!

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Reply #193 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 11:31pm

The baker look like he is stuffed to me....

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The Supreme Court is currently hearing arguments the case of a Colorado baker, Jack Phillips, who refused to make a “gay” wedding cake to celebrate a same-sex couple’s marriage. According to Phillips, same-sex marriage violates his religious belief that God only sanctions marriages between a man and a woman. He argues that requiring him to bake the cake violates his First Amendment right to religious freedom.

The strongest legal precedent is Reynolds v. United States (1879). In this case the Supreme Court upheld a federal law banning polygamy. The Court ruled that freedom of religion prevented the government from regulating religious belief, but permitted government to regulate actions such as marriage. The Reynolds decision means that Jack Phillips is free to believe what he wants to believe, but not free to do whatever he wants to do or to claim a religious exemption from equal rights laws.

In the 1960s, Piggie Park was a chain of restaurants in South Carolina that refused to serve African Americans. The owner of the restaurants argued that the federal Civil Rights Act violated religious beliefs that compelled him to “oppose any integration of the races whatever.” Federal courts dismissed his argument and in 1968, in Newman v. Piggie Park Enterprises, the Supreme Court ruled that Piggie Park had to pay Newman’s attorney fees.

In Employment Division v. Smith (1990), the Supreme Court decided that Oregon could deny unemployment benefits to someone who was fired from a job for illegally smoking peyote during a religious ceremony. Once again, the Court ruled religious freedom did not excuse people from obeying the law.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gay-wedding-cakes-and-the-united-states-con...

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Reply #194 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 8:00am

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 11:27pm:

My point is that I don't care who this Baker refused a service to, the Law is discriminating against the smallest minority. The individual. While it is legal to force people to perform services they object to that doesn't make it right. Involuntary Servitude is alive and well in the good old United Socialist States of America!

Like the entire 'NO' campaign - you are being deceitfully misleading by quoting examples from the USA and the Colorado legal system and precedent

WE live in AUSTRALIA - under AUSTRALIAN law

NO Australian retailer or service provider is forced by Australian law to do business with anyone he or she chooses not to

All said and done - it's the order and sale of an overpriced FRUIT CAKE !
What sort of MORON knocks back THAT soft of busimess ?

The last time I checked - NO Australian cake-maker is legally bound to cop one up the butt-hole, to complete a sale transaction

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Reply #195 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 8:45am

Of course it will happen here it is just a matter of time.

What sort of person tries to force a business, any business, to bend to their wishes? Only a petty, underhanded person who has vengeance and dollar signs in their eyes and who demands that everyone not only accept, but rejoice in and celebrate, their own views and/or behaviours ... or else.

The mind boggles at what could be 'added' to a cake that a business was forced to provide so that they would not be dragged through the court system and lose their livelihood.

For every one baker you find who cannot provide a service there are 20 more to choose from who can. If someone does not want to provide me with a service, or they just can't, I move on and go to someone else. That is what normal people do.

What sort of inferior product would you be likely to receive if you had to force someone to provide it?

It has nothing to do with rights and equality. It's all about bullying people and trying to make them bend to your views/wishes by force and, of course, money.

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Reply #196 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:33am

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 8:45am:

Of course it will happen here it is just a matter of time.

What sort of person tries to force a business, any business, to bend to their wishes? Only a petty, underhanded person who has vengeance and dollar signs in their eyes and who demands that everyone not only accept, but rejoice in and celebrate, their own views and/or behaviours ... or else.

The mind boggles at what could be 'added' to a cake that a business was forced to provide so that they would not be dragged through the court system and lose their livelihood.

For every one baker you find who cannot provide a service there are 20 more to choose from who can. If someone does not want to provide me with a service, or they just can't, I move on and go to someone else. That is what normal people do.

What sort of inferior product would you be likely to receive if you had to force someone to provide it?

It has nothing to do with rights and equality. It's all about bullying people and trying to make them bend to your views/wishes by force and, of course, money.

It is about the law mate....If you do not like certain laws do you advocate we can just ignore those we do not agree with....And if you advocate for religious freedom when will Australia adopt Sharia law???

Huh

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #197 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 12:13pm

Phil have you retreated from having an opinion on what the law should be?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:30pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 12:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 1:06pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:04am:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:47am:

They were happy to sell to the gay customers, as explained in the original article and pointed out many times since. If you make a customised product it is entirely at your discretion what product you create. The distinction between discriminating against a product vs customer in that context is meaningless.

Really....So it makes absolutely no difference what the customer wants....Do you understand what customised means....Try to understand the law and not what you believe should be the law!!!

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Do you know what discretion means Phil?

Yes....Do you know what the law is???

Huh

So why did you post that crap about it making no difference what the customer wants? What point are you trying to make?

It has everything to do with what the customer wants....What are you talking about???

Huh

I am trying to get you to make sense. Never mind.

FFS....If you refuse service to someone because they are queer you can be charged with discrimination....If you believe the facts in the case prove different then lets wait and see what the judge says about the law....The shop owner might well be acquitted after all it is America and some State laws vary....Lets see shall we???

Huh

Earth to Phil - how many times do we have to repeat this? They did not refuse them service. They specifically offered to sell them the same products they offer to everyone else. They only refused to sell them a particular customised product, which they would presumably refuse to sell to anyone else, regardless of sexual orientation.

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He didn't ask what they wanted....He said he would not supply them a custom cake

How did he know they wanted a custom cake if he did not ask what they wanted? Or was it a lucky guess?

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How the f@#k would I know....The laws are different everywhere in the world

Phil no-one here is asking you for legal advice. Are you feigning idiocy because you are now afraid to offer your opinion on what the law should be?

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Reply #198 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 1:10pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 11:31pm:

The baker look like he is stuffed to me....

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The Supreme Court is currently hearing arguments the case of a Colorado baker, Jack Phillips, who refused to make a “gay” wedding cake to celebrate a same-sex couple’s marriage. According to Phillips, same-sex marriage violates his religious belief that God only sanctions marriages between a man and a woman. He argues that requiring him to bake the cake violates his First Amendment right to religious freedom.

The strongest legal precedent is Reynolds v. United States (1879). In this case the Supreme Court upheld a federal law banning polygamy. The Court ruled that freedom of religion prevented the government from regulating religious belief, but permitted government to regulate actions such as marriage. The Reynolds decision means that Jack Phillips is free to believe what he wants to believe, but not free to do whatever he wants to do or to claim a religious exemption from equal rights laws.

In the 1960s, Piggie Park was a chain of restaurants in South Carolina that refused to serve African Americans. The owner of the restaurants argued that the federal Civil Rights Act violated religious beliefs that compelled him to “oppose any integration of the races whatever.” Federal courts dismissed his argument and in 1968, in Newman v. Piggie Park Enterprises, the Supreme Court ruled that Piggie Park had to pay Newman’s attorney fees.

In Employment Division v. Smith (1990), the Supreme Court decided that Oregon could deny unemployment benefits to someone who was fired from a job for illegally smoking peyote during a religious ceremony. Once again, the Court ruled religious freedom did not excuse people from obeying the law.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gay-wedding-cakes-and-the-united-states-con...

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #199 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 1:15pm

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 12:13pm:

Phil have you retreated from having an opinion on what the law should be?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:30pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 12:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 1:06pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:04am:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:47am:

They were happy to sell to the gay customers, as explained in the original article and pointed out many times since. If you make a customised product it is entirely at your discretion what product you create. The distinction between discriminating against a product vs customer in that context is meaningless.

Really....So it makes absolutely no difference what the customer wants....Do you understand what customised means....Try to understand the law and not what you believe should be the law!!!

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Do you know what discretion means Phil?

Yes....Do you know what the law is???

Huh

So why did you post that crap about it making no difference what the customer wants? What point are you trying to make?

It has everything to do with what the customer wants....What are you talking about???

Huh

I am trying to get you to make sense. Never mind.

FFS....If you refuse service to someone because they are queer you can be charged with discrimination....If you believe the facts in the case prove different then lets wait and see what the judge says about the law....The shop owner might well be acquitted after all it is America and some State laws vary....Lets see shall we???

Huh

Earth to Phil - how many times do we have to repeat this? They did not refuse them service. They specifically offered to sell them the same products they offer to everyone else. They only refused to sell them a particular customised product, which they would presumably refuse to sell to anyone else, regardless of sexual orientation.

Bullshit.....Do you have something to support that claim apart from your opinion???

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He didn't ask what they wanted....He said he would not supply them a custom cake

So what....He refused before he even knew what he was refusing...Does this make a difference to the law FD???

How did he know they wanted a custom cake if he did not ask what they wanted? Or was it a lucky guess?

Read post above and educate yourself!!!

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How the f@#k would I know....The laws are different everywhere in the world

Phil no-one here is asking you for legal advice. Are you feigning idiocy because you are now afraid to offer your opinion on what the law should be?

When someone asks me something I try to respond....If you ask me what I think the law should be I might answer if it is at all relevant???

Earth to FD....Read above post by me!!!

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Reply #200 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 2:37pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:33am:

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 8:45am:

Of course it will happen here it is just a matter of time.

What sort of person tries to force a business, any business, to bend to their wishes? Only a petty, underhanded person who has vengeance and dollar signs in their eyes and who demands that everyone not only accept, but rejoice in and celebrate, their own views and/or behaviours ... or else.

The mind boggles at what could be 'added' to a cake that a business was forced to provide so that they would not be dragged through the court system and lose their livelihood.

For every one baker you find who cannot provide a service there are 20 more to choose from who can. If someone does not want to provide me with a service, or they just can't, I move on and go to someone else. That is what normal people do.

What sort of inferior product would you be likely to receive if you had to force someone to provide it?

It has nothing to do with rights and equality. It's all about bullying people and trying to make them bend to your views/wishes by force and, of course, money.

It is about the law mate....If you do not like certain laws do you advocate we can just ignore those we do not agree with....And if you advocate for religious freedom when will Australia adopt Sharia law???

Huh

Apart from the fact that Sharia Law is already practised in Australia, especially in Sydney, Australia is fundamentally a Christian country whether you like it or not and, as such, Christian principles should apply. Not Sharia!

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Reply #201 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 2:44pm

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:33am:

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 8:45am:

Of course it will happen here it is just a matter of time.

What sort of person tries to force a business, any business, to bend to their wishes? Only a petty, underhanded person who has vengeance and dollar signs in their eyes and who demands that everyone not only accept, but rejoice in and celebrate, their own views and/or behaviours ... or else.

The mind boggles at what could be 'added' to a cake that a business was forced to provide so that they would not be dragged through the court system and lose their livelihood.

For every one baker you find who cannot provide a service there are 20 more to choose from who can. If someone does not want to provide me with a service, or they just can't, I move on and go to someone else. That is what normal people do.

What sort of inferior product would you be likely to receive if you had to force someone to provide it?

It has nothing to do with rights and equality. It's all about bullying people and trying to make them bend to your views/wishes by force and, of course, money.

It is about the law mate....If you do not like certain laws do you advocate we can just ignore those we do not agree with....And if you advocate for religious freedom when will Australia adopt Sharia law???

Huh

Apart from the fact that Sharia Law is already practised in Australia, especially in Sydney, Australia is fundamentally a Christian country whether you like it or not and, as such, Christian principles should apply. Not Sharia!

Australia is a secular society where religion plays very little part in the formation of our laws....Where is Sharia law (legally) practised in Australia mate....Can you support that claim???

Huh

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #202 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 2:52pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:33am:

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 8:45am:

Of course it will happen here it is just a matter of time.

What sort of person tries to force a business, any business, to bend to their wishes? Only a petty, underhanded person who has vengeance and dollar signs in their eyes and who demands that everyone not only accept, but rejoice in and celebrate, their own views and/or behaviours ... or else.

The mind boggles at what could be 'added' to a cake that a business was forced to provide so that they would not be dragged through the court system and lose their livelihood.

For every one baker you find who cannot provide a service there are 20 more to choose from who can. If someone does not want to provide me with a service, or they just can't, I move on and go to someone else. That is what normal people do.

What sort of inferior product would you be likely to receive if you had to force someone to provide it?

It has nothing to do with rights and equality. It's all about bullying people and trying to make them bend to your views/wishes by force and, of course, money.

It is about the law mate....If you do not like certain laws do you advocate we can just ignore those we do not agree with....And if you advocate for religious freedom when will Australia adopt Sharia law???

Huh

Apart from the fact that Sharia Law is already practised in Australia, especially in Sydney, Australia is fundamentally a Christian country whether you like it or not and, as such, Christian principles should apply. Not Sharia!

Australia is a secular society where religion plays very little part in the formation of our laws....Where is Sharia law (legally) practised in Australia mate....Can you support that claim???

Huh

Black Orchid.....please allow me to provide just 1 link.

https://aifs.gov.au/publications/family-matters/issue-84/legal-recognition-shari...

Have a thorough read....I'm sure you too will be shocked.

NB I had a few more links but these were subject to a pay wall unfortunately Undecided

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #203 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 3:01pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:33am:

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 8:45am:

Of course it will happen here it is just a matter of time.

What sort of person tries to force a business, any business, to bend to their wishes? Only a petty, underhanded person who has vengeance and dollar signs in their eyes and who demands that everyone not only accept, but rejoice in and celebrate, their own views and/or behaviours ... or else.

The mind boggles at what could be 'added' to a cake that a business was forced to provide so that they would not be dragged through the court system and lose their livelihood.

For every one baker you find who cannot provide a service there are 20 more to choose from who can. If someone does not want to provide me with a service, or they just can't, I move on and go to someone else. That is what normal people do.

What sort of inferior product would you be likely to receive if you had to force someone to provide it?

It has nothing to do with rights and equality. It's all about bullying people and trying to make them bend to your views/wishes by force and, of course, money.

It is about the law mate....If you do not like certain laws do you advocate we can just ignore those we do not agree with....And if you advocate for religious freedom when will Australia adopt Sharia law???

Huh

Apart from the fact that Sharia Law is already practised in Australia, especially in Sydney, Australia is fundamentally a Christian country whether you like it or not and, as such, Christian principles should apply. Not Sharia!

Australia is a secular society where religion plays very little part in the formation of our laws....Where is Sharia law (legally) practised in Australia mate....Can you support that claim???

Huh

I don't believe I used the word "legally". Overlooked, ignored and swept under the carpet are more valid.

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Reply #204 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 3:02pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 2:52pm:

Black Orchid.....please allow me to provide just 1 link.

https://aifs.gov.au/publications/family-matters/issue-84/legal-recognition-shari...

Have a thorough read....I'm sure you too will be shocked.

NB I had a few more links but these were subject to a pay wall unfortunately Undecided

Thanks Lisa, I have read that before and I find it to be a total disgrace.

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Reply #205 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 3:09pm

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 3:02pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 2:52pm:

Black Orchid.....please allow me to provide just 1 link.

https://aifs.gov.au/publications/family-matters/issue-84/legal-recognition-shari...

Have a thorough read....I'm sure you too will be shocked.

NB I had a few more links but these were subject to a pay wall unfortunately Undecided

Thanks Lisa, I have read that before and I find it to be a total disgrace.

EVERY PERSON ON OZPOL SHOULD READ THAT ARTICLE.

IT MIGHT WAKE UP A FEW NONGS.

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Reply #206 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 5:28pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 3:02pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 2:52pm:

Black Orchid.....please allow me to provide just 1 link.

https://aifs.gov.au/publications/family-matters/issue-84/legal-recognition-shari...

Have a thorough read....I'm sure you too will be shocked.

NB I had a few more links but these were subject to a pay wall unfortunately Undecided

Thanks Lisa, I have read that before and I find it to be a total disgrace.

EVERY PERSON ON OZPOL SHOULD READ THAT ARTICLE.

IT MIGHT WAKE UP A FEW NONGS.

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Thanks Lisa!!!

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Freedom of religion and worship is protected, but religion is to play no part in the formal legal system. Australia's former treasurer, Peter Costello (2006), argued, "there is one law we are all expected to abide by. It is the law enacted by the Parliament under the Australian Constitution. If you can't accept that then you don't accept the fundamentals of what Australia is and what it stands for" (para. 44). This year, Attorney-General Robert McCelland confirmed that the "Rudd government is not considering and will not consider the introduction of any part of Sharia law into the Australian legal system"

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Reply #207 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 5:30pm

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 3:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:33am:

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 8:45am:

Of course it will happen here it is just a matter of time.

What sort of person tries to force a business, any business, to bend to their wishes? Only a petty, underhanded person who has vengeance and dollar signs in their eyes and who demands that everyone not only accept, but rejoice in and celebrate, their own views and/or behaviours ... or else.

The mind boggles at what could be 'added' to a cake that a business was forced to provide so that they would not be dragged through the court system and lose their livelihood.

For every one baker you find who cannot provide a service there are 20 more to choose from who can. If someone does not want to provide me with a service, or they just can't, I move on and go to someone else. That is what normal people do.

What sort of inferior product would you be likely to receive if you had to force someone to provide it?

It has nothing to do with rights and equality. It's all about bullying people and trying to make them bend to your views/wishes by force and, of course, money.

It is about the law mate....If you do not like certain laws do you advocate we can just ignore those we do not agree with....And if you advocate for religious freedom when will Australia adopt Sharia law???

Huh

Apart from the fact that Sharia Law is already practised in Australia, especially in Sydney, Australia is fundamentally a Christian country whether you like it or not and, as such, Christian principles should apply. Not Sharia!

Australia is a secular society where religion plays very little part in the formation of our laws....Where is Sharia law (legally) practised in Australia mate....Can you support that claim???

Huh

I don't believe I used the word "legally". Overlooked, ignored and swept under the carpet are more valid.

Hence lies the problem of allowing religious exemption from discrimination laws....How would you feel if parts of Sydney and Melbourne where for Muslims only???

Huh

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Reply #209 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 10:16pm

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1^st, 1970 at 2:12pm:

How would you feel if parts of Sydney and Melbourne where for Muslims only???

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Get with the program. They are already!

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Reply #211 - Dec 15^th, 2017 at 9:43pm

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 12:13pm:

Phil have you retreated from having an opinion on what the law should be?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:30pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 12:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 1:06pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:04am:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:47am:

They were happy to sell to the gay customers, as explained in the original article and pointed out many times since. If you make a customised product it is entirely at your discretion what product you create. The distinction between discriminating against a product vs customer in that context is meaningless.

Really....So it makes absolutely no difference what the customer wants....Do you understand what customised means....Try to understand the law and not what you believe should be the law!!!

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Do you know what discretion means Phil?

Yes....Do you know what the law is???

Huh

So why did you post that crap about it making no difference what the customer wants? What point are you trying to make?

It has everything to do with what the customer wants....What are you talking about???

Huh

I am trying to get you to make sense. Never mind.

FFS....If you refuse service to someone because they are queer you can be charged with discrimination....If you believe the facts in the case prove different then lets wait and see what the judge says about the law....The shop owner might well be acquitted after all it is America and some State laws vary....Lets see shall we???

Huh

Earth to Phil - how many times do we have to repeat this? They did not refuse them service. They specifically offered to sell them the same products they offer to everyone else. They only refused to sell them a particular customised product, which they would presumably refuse to sell to anyone else, regardless of sexual orientation.

Quote:

He didn't ask what they wanted....He said he would not supply them a custom cake

How did he know they wanted a custom cake if he did not ask what they wanted? Or was it a lucky guess?

Quote:

How the f@#k would I know....The laws are different everywhere in the world

Phil no-one here is asking you for legal advice. Are you feigning idiocy because you are now afraid to offer your opinion on what the law should be?

Do you have your own opinion Phil? Or just quotes from people you think you understand?

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Reply #212 - Dec 16^th, 2017 at 6:34am

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2017 at 9:43pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 12:13pm:

Phil have you retreated from having an opinion on what the law should be?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 10:30pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 12:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 1:06pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:04am:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:47am:

They were happy to sell to the gay customers, as explained in the original article and pointed out many times since. If you make a customised product it is entirely at your discretion what product you create. The distinction between discriminating against a product vs customer in that context is meaningless.

Really....So it makes absolutely no difference what the customer wants....Do you understand what customised means....Try to understand the law and not what you believe should be the law!!!

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Do you know what discretion means Phil?

Yes....Do you know what the law is???

Huh

So why did you post that crap about it making no difference what the customer wants? What point are you trying to make?

It has everything to do with what the customer wants....What are you talking about???

Huh

I am trying to get you to make sense. Never mind.

FFS....If you refuse service to someone because they are queer you can be charged with discrimination....If you believe the facts in the case prove different then lets wait and see what the judge says about the law....The shop owner might well be acquitted after all it is America and some State laws vary....Lets see shall we???

Huh

Earth to Phil - how many times do we have to repeat this? They did not refuse them service. They specifically offered to sell them the same products they offer to everyone else. They only refused to sell them a particular customised product, which they would presumably refuse to sell to anyone else, regardless of sexual orientation.

Quote:

He didn't ask what they wanted....He said he would not supply them a custom cake

How did he know they wanted a custom cake if he did not ask what they wanted? Or was it a lucky guess?

Quote:

How the f@#k would I know....The laws are different everywhere in the world

Phil no-one here is asking you for legal advice. Are you feigning idiocy because you are now afraid to offer your opinion on what the law should be?

Do you have your own opinion Phil? Or just quotes from people you think you understand?

Does it matter what I think....You are only interested in your own opinion and proving the law is somehow unjust....Anti discrimination laws prevent people from discriminating against minorities....I support the law???

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47369 At my desk.	Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court. Reply #213 - Dec 16^th, 2017 at 8:15am Do you support dumbing down the law to the point that it is meaningless? How about pretending that only one group in any argument has rights?
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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #214 - Dec 16^th, 2017 at 8:44am

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 8:15am:

Do you support dumbing down the law to the point that it is meaningless?

How about pretending that only one group in any argument has rights?

Religious freedom does not allow anyone to ignore or break anti discrimination laws....This actually helps protect those who seek solace in which ever god they worship....I am not pretending about anything mate I am pointing out what the law is....You are the one who is pretending that religious exemption should allow discrimination which it clearly does not!!!

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131492 Gender:	Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court. Reply #215 - Dec 16^th, 2017 at 8:48am Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 3:01am: Hehe. Perth is just so far away. No it's not. I can see it right outside my window.
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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #216 - Dec 16^th, 2017 at 8:53am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 8:44am:

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 8:15am:

Do you support dumbing down the law to the point that it is meaningless?

How about pretending that only one group in any argument has rights?

Religious freedom does not allow anyone to ignore or break anti discrimination laws....This actually helps protect those who seek solace in which ever god they worship....I am not pretending about anything mate I am pointing out what the law is....You are the one who is pretending that religious exemption should allow discrimination which it clearly does not!!!

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The law is changing as we speak Phil, and you are afraid to have an opinion on it.

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #217 - Dec 16^th, 2017 at 11:23am

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 8:53am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 8:44am:

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 8:15am:

Do you support dumbing down the law to the point that it is meaningless?

How about pretending that only one group in any argument has rights?

Religious freedom does not allow anyone to ignore or break anti discrimination laws....This actually helps protect those who seek solace in which ever god they worship....I am not pretending about anything mate I am pointing out what the law is....You are the one who is pretending that religious exemption should allow discrimination which it clearly does not!!!

Roll Eyes

The law is changing as we speak Phil, and you are afraid to have an opinion on it.

The marriage act is changing to allow SSM....Anti discrimination laws could change to accommodate religious freedom but as yet this amendment has not been supported in Parliament....What exactly do you want me to have an opinion on FD???

Huh

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #218 - Dec 16^th, 2017 at 3:06pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 11:23am:

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 8:53am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 8:44am:

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 8:15am:

Do you support dumbing down the law to the point that it is meaningless?

How about pretending that only one group in any argument has rights?

Religious freedom does not allow anyone to ignore or break anti discrimination laws....This actually helps protect those who seek solace in which ever god they worship....I am not pretending about anything mate I am pointing out what the law is....You are the one who is pretending that religious exemption should allow discrimination which it clearly does not!!!

Roll Eyes

The law is changing as we speak Phil, and you are afraid to have an opinion on it.

The marriage act is changing to allow SSM....Anti discrimination laws could change to accommodate religious freedom but as yet this amendment has not been supported in Parliament....What exactly do you want me to have an opinion on FD???

Huh

You started out with lots of opinions. Now you are running away from them. Do I need to copy and paste all the recent times you have been asked your opinion? Or would you just run away again?

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 20700 ACT Gender:	Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court. Reply #219 - Dec 16^th, 2017 at 3:17pm Is this freediver berating members for not answering questions. This is freediver that never answers questions!
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philperth2010

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #220 - Dec 16^th, 2017 at 3:32pm

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 3:06pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 11:23am:

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 8:53am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 8:44am:

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 8:15am:

Do you support dumbing down the law to the point that it is meaningless?

How about pretending that only one group in any argument has rights?

Religious freedom does not allow anyone to ignore or break anti discrimination laws....This actually helps protect those who seek solace in which ever god they worship....I am not pretending about anything mate I am pointing out what the law is....You are the one who is pretending that religious exemption should allow discrimination which it clearly does not!!!

Roll Eyes

The law is changing as we speak Phil, and you are afraid to have an opinion on it.

The marriage act is changing to allow SSM....Anti discrimination laws could change to accommodate religious freedom but as yet this amendment has not been supported in Parliament....What exactly do you want me to have an opinion on FD???

Huh

You started out with lots of opinions. Now you are running away from them. Do I need to copy and paste all the recent times you have been asked your opinion? Or would you just run away again?

Feel free....I have no idea what you are on about???

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #221 - Dec 16^th, 2017 at 3:36pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 3:17pm:

Is this freediver berating members for not answering questions.

This is freediver that never answers questions!

Grin

fd is the same as that 6 yr old he talks about.. Roll Eyes

he even enjoys conversations with 6 yr olds..as they are allowed to post in his special place... where most are locked out..

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I take that as meaning...

asking the same thing over and over is how he prefers the forum run...

heres a question for fd..

are you happy with the way this forum is right now?

or do you prefer it in chaos as long as you are not involved in the skirmishes..?

would it be better if we all acted like 6 yr olds?.... Grin

ok thats more than one... Roll Eyes

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #222 - Dec 16^th, 2017 at 3:44pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 3:17pm:

Is this freediver berating members for not answering questions.

This is freediver that never answers questions!

Grin

I have answered Red but FD does not like my answers!!!

Legalities aside....IMO the two gay blokes should have accepted the bakers decision and left it at that....The baker obviously showed no malice because he offered them any other product and a reasonable excuse as to why he would not bake a cake for their wedding....I hope the judge finds in the bakers favour but I doubt it!!!

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131492 Gender:	Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court. Reply #223 - Dec 16^th, 2017 at 4:58pm You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 15921 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court. Reply #224 - Dec 16^th, 2017 at 10:07pm greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 4:58pm: You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can if you're Bulimic.
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