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The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court. (Read 2612 times)
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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #90 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:18pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
I didn't see a problem in the first place.





Greggy,

can you learn how to wipe out the last 20 posts in reply
& just include your answer?
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Reply #91 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:28pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:18pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
I didn't see a problem in the first place.





Greggy,

can you learn how to wipe out the last 20 posts in reply
& just include your answer?


Why - it annoys the hell out of Herbie?
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Reply #92 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:38pm
 
Which makes you simply a TROLL...
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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #93 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:40pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:00pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:56pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:52pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake.

It must be the End Times.   Grin

Because they are pushing this through without thinking about the ordinary aussie business owner Bobby.



We know what's being pushed.  Wink


And where.... Grin



Let's not say Lisa but can we agree that it must be the End Times?


Rear end time even  Grin
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Reply #94 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:44pm
 
Grendel wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:38pm:
Which makes you simply a TROLL...


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Reply #95 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 9:35pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:40pm:
Rear end time even  Grin



Don't say that when Greggy is around.  Grin
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Reply #96 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 9:59pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:40pm:
Rear end time even  Grin



Don't say that when Greggy is around.  Grin


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #97 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 10:13pm
 
Wednesday, 30 October, 1946:-

At Coleshill, Warwickshire, Ellen May Young, a paint sprayer, was committed for trial for her subterfuge in marrying, in the roman catholic church in the village of Baddesley Clinton, Irene Mary Palmer whom she had met at waterloo station.  Ellen had posed as an ex-RAF pilot, called herself Stanley and written more than thirty passionate letters to her fiance`.


Argh, aye, m'lud... that thar gay marriage be unlawful!  'Ang 'er and 'ang 'er HIGH!

Just saying - no gay wedding cake there......  Tongue
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Reply #98 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 9:13am
 
All seafood is Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....All fruit and vegetables are Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....There is no need to label these products but if you have a problem eating Halal perhaps you should avoid fish and chips in future???

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #99 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 10:46am
 
Railroaded...................


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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #100 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:03pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

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Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?


Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?
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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #101 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:06pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 9:13am:
All seafood is Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....All fruit and vegetables are Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....There is no need to label these products but if you have a problem eating Halal perhaps you should avoid fish and chips in future???

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So Christians have no choice?
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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #102 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:21pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 9:13am:
All seafood is Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....All fruit and vegetables are Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....There is no need to label these products but if you have a problem eating Halal perhaps you should avoid fish and chips in future???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

So Christians have no choice?


In what?

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #103 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:11pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 9:13am:
All seafood is Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....All fruit and vegetables are Halal and is allowed to be consumed by Muslims....There is no need to label these products but if you have a problem eating Halal perhaps you should avoid fish and chips in future???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

So Christians have no choice?


No....If you eat a prawn with chilli it is Halal....It does not matter how the prawn or chilli was killed!!!

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Re: The gay wedding cake has hit the US supreme court.
Reply #104 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?


No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

Huh Huh Huh


I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.


For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

Wink Wink Wink


Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.


IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

Wink Wink Wink


You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.


Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

Huh Huh Huh 


As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?


Phil, have you changed your mind, or just run away?


Na just busy at work (lunch break now)....

Firstly a Halal butcher would not sell pork so the service would not be offered....It is not up to a business to supply something they do not sell....I thought you would have worked that out for yourself!!!

About the orgy I am not sure....One would expect a court would accept a decency defence towards the company and its employees if it was taken to court!!!

The law states you cannot withhold services based on race, religion or sexuality....If you offer services you cannot deny it based on those criteria....By the way I did not write the law???

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