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Commonsense to strengthen religious protections
Dec 5th, 2017 at 9:55am
 
Turnbull says he'll vote for them even though he doesn't think they're necessary.

But it's just plain common sense that the rights of those who wish to live their lives outside the SSM world are protected. The most important thing is to have a community that does not feel divided into military camps.

And there is no doubt, fresh from their pleb victory, the radical sex activists would be seeking to rub some faces in some salacious places. Not good public policy to allow or encourage that.
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Reply #1 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 9:58am
 
The community is split.
It now exists where before it did not.
This will only get worse.
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Reply #2 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 10:07am
 
It need not, if political games are put aside.
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Reply #3 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 11:27am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 10:07am:
It need not, if political games are put aside.



That says it all............ don your kevlar, people... we've got incoming...
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Reply #4 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 11:30am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 9:55am:
Turnbull says he'll vote for them even though he doesn't think they're necessary.

But it's just plain common sense that the rights of those who wish to live their lives outside the SSM world are protected. The most important thing is to have a community that does not feel divided into military camps.

And there is no doubt, fresh from their pleb victory, the radical sex activists would be seeking to rub some faces in some salacious places. Not good public policy to allow or encourage that.




I guess the query is how do you think you are not being protected currently.
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Reply #5 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 12:25pm
 
SSM is an attack on western civilisation!

That's why it deserves protection or we all fall down....
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Reply #6 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 1:07pm
 
The Commonwealth cannot force religious people to do things against their will; it is unconstitutional. Section 116 of the Constitution ensures this is the case. And I am confident that the High Court would uphold that provision.

The Sex Discrimination Act didn't apply to the Catholic Church, did it?
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Reply #7 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 1:11pm
 
LOL
You are such a neophyte Auggie.
What happens when laws and rules contradict each other?
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Reply #8 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 1:22pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 9:55am:
Turnbull says he'll vote for them even though he doesn't think they're necessary.




... and he's 100% CORRECT

Currently the church can refuse to marry any couple they choose to
Look no further than the catholic church and divorcees
A self employed marriage celebrant has the same right to refuse
As does a wedding cake baker
The latter are retail contracts - and require two parties in agreement to be binding

If a government employed registry office celebrant can't perform his job - as determined by Australian law - it's time he found a new career

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Grendel wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 1:11pm:
LOL
You are such a neophyte Auggie.
What happens when laws and rules contradict each other?


I'm not sure where the contradiction is. If a law conflicts with the Constitution, then the law is repugnant to the extent of the inconsistency.
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Reply #10 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 1:39pm
 
**coughs**  doesn't do any harm to anyone.... **coughs**
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Reply #11 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 1:43pm
 
Auggie wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 1:23pm:
Grendel wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 1:11pm:
LOL
You are such a neophyte Auggie.
What happens when laws and rules contradict each other?


I'm not sure where the contradiction is. If a law conflicts with the Constitution, then the law is repugnant to the extent of the inconsistency.



What've I been telling you, Sol?  Laws ain't Laws!

Now you find yourself circling around the very issue we discussed yesterday - about the duty of the courts to review legislation BEFORE it starts to work.  Perhaps my thinking (what longie labels 'rants' - now that's the cot calling the petal black) is insidiously twisting its way into your cerebral processes.  A whole new world of reason and thinking is opening up to you... keep up the good work.

Your education is proceeding, grasshopper... now  keep drawing those things out from within yourself and work them through...
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Re: Commonsense to strengthen religious protections
Reply #12 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 1:51pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 9:55am:
Turnbull says he'll vote for them even though he doesn't think they're necessary.




... and he's 100% CORRECT

Currently the church can refuse to marry any couple they choose to
Look no further than the catholic church and divorcees
A self employed marriage celebrant has the same right to refuse
As does a wedding cake baker
The latter are retail contracts - and require two parties in agreement to be binding

If a government employed registry office celebrant can't perform his job - as determined by Australian law - it's time he found a new career



What are you afraid of Buzz? You got your vote didn' you?
So what's wrong with ensuring some other citizens see their rights enshrined in black letter law.
You wouldn't I'm sure want to see some radically ill-intentioned people force regulations & impediments under the door so that good honest folk felt they were no longer able to obey their conscientious beliefs.
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Reply #13 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 2:40pm
 
To the Stalinists, there are no 'good, honest folk' - only revolutionists, party members, and good socialists or serfs under absolute control ....... or dead weight.
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Re: Commonsense to strengthen religious protections
Reply #14 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 2:43pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 1:43pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 1:23pm:
Grendel wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 1:11pm:
LOL
You are such a neophyte Auggie.
What happens when laws and rules contradict each other?


I'm not sure where the contradiction is. If a law conflicts with the Constitution, then the law is repugnant to the extent of the inconsistency.



What've I been telling you, Sol?  Laws ain't Laws!

Now you find yourself circling around the very issue we discussed yesterday - about the duty of the courts to review legislation BEFORE it starts to work.  Perhaps my thinking (what longie labels 'rants' - now that's the cot calling the petal black) is insidiously twisting its way into your cerebral processes.  A whole new world of reason and thinking is opening up to you... keep up the good work.

Your education is proceeding, grasshopper... now  keep drawing those things out from within yourself and work them through...


I think you're getting ahead of yourself here.

The separation of church and state is a well known doctrine that has been established over centuries. I don't believe that the state should interfere in the business of churches. My point is that the Constitution as it stands has empowered the High Court to make determinations about the separation of church and state, and the powers inter se between the States and the Commonwealth. I have never denied this claim.

This is completely different from what you're talking about, in having the High Court overturn legislation due to 'infringement of rights'.

I don't know what your so excited about.
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