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Reply #120 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 1:21pm
 
Even under Assimilation and Integration various ethnic groups could still celebrate where they came from and customs etc...  EG; The Scots still hold Highland Gatherings.

But, they lived the rest of their lives as Australians.
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Reply #121 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 1:23pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 1:21pm:
Even under Assimilation and Integration various ethnic groups could still celebrate where they came from and customs etc...  EG; The Scots still hold Highland Gatherings.

But, they lived the rest of their lives as Australians.


Which would be in harmony with the Core-Periphery model, which I support. You can practise your customs, but your number one loyalty should be to the country, and your native culture should be subordinate to the dominate culture.

I practise this model, and I encourage all migrants to practise this model.
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Reply #122 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 1:51pm
 
There is no Core-periphery model...  it's called Integration.

Now we have Multiculti.
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Reply #123 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 1:54pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 1:51pm:
There is no Core-periphery model...  it's called Integration.

Now we have Multiculti.


As I have explained before....  http://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/dictionaries-thesauruses-pictures-an...

oh and Integration involved Assimilation without the need to completely forget ones past
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Reply #124 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 2:00pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 1:54pm:
Grendel wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 1:51pm:
There is no Core-periphery model...  it's called Integration.

Now we have Multiculti.


As I have explained before....  http://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/dictionaries-thesauruses-pictures-an...

oh and Integration involved Assimilation without the need to completely forget ones past


Not like the government should be looking into people's houses anyway and monitoring what they do. I know this isn't what you're advocating.

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Reply #125 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 5:04pm
 
Not that people should migrate here to maintain their previous way of life especially if it is not compatible to a Western democracy.

Used to be you'd migrate to another country to become one of them...  the USA still expect that.
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Reply #126 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 5:12pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 5:04pm:
Not that people should migrate here to maintain their previous way of life especially if it is not compatible to a Western democracy.

Used to be you'd migrate to another country to become one of them...  the USA still expect that.


Totally agree. If I go to Japan, I should try to integrate into Japanese society, although I'll admit that I would probably never be able to fully integrate. That's ok. That's why I live in Australia.

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Reply #127 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:05pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 5:12pm:
Grendel wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 5:04pm:
Not that people should migrate here to maintain their previous way of life especially if it is not compatible to a Western democracy.

Used to be you'd migrate to another country to become one of them...  the USA still expect that.


Totally agree. If I go to Japan, I should try to integrate into Japanese society, although I'll admit that I would probably never be able to fully integrate. That's ok. That's why I live in Australia.



You may. Or you may hang out with Westerners and not learn Japanese - like every other Whitey I've met who's lived in Japan.
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Reply #128 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:27pm
 
LOL
sure clown everything you say is so believable.
I would learn more Japanese until I became fluid with the language.
But since I don't look Asian I'd never expect the Japanese to accept me as Japanese even if I managed to gain citizenship.
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Reply #129 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 8:25pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 5:12pm:
Grendel wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 5:04pm:
Not that people should migrate here to maintain their previous way of life especially if it is not compatible to a Western democracy.

Used to be you'd migrate to another country to become one of them...  the USA still expect that.


Totally agree. If I go to Japan, I should try to integrate into Japanese society, although I'll admit that I would probably never be able to fully integrate. That's ok. That's why I live in Australia.



You may. Or you may hang out with Westerners and not learn Japanese - like every other Whitey I've met who's lived in Japan.


Well, the whitey men hang out with WHITE MEN; but hang out with Japanese women.
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Reply #130 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:54pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 8:25pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 5:12pm:
Grendel wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 5:04pm:
Not that people should migrate here to maintain their previous way of life especially if it is not compatible to a Western democracy.

Used to be you'd migrate to another country to become one of them...  the USA still expect that.


Totally agree. If I go to Japan, I should try to integrate into Japanese society, although I'll admit that I would probably never be able to fully integrate. That's ok. That's why I live in Australia.



You may. Or you may hang out with Westerners and not learn Japanese - like every other Whitey I've met who's lived in Japan.


Well, the whitey men hang out with WHITE MEN; but hang out with Japanese women.


Indeed.
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Reply #131 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 10:10pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 8:25pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 5:12pm:
Grendel wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 5:04pm:
Not that people should migrate here to maintain their previous way of life especially if it is not compatible to a Western democracy.

Used to be you'd migrate to another country to become one of them...  the USA still expect that.


Totally agree. If I go to Japan, I should try to integrate into Japanese society, although I'll admit that I would probably never be able to fully integrate. That's ok. That's why I live in Australia.



You may. Or you may hang out with Westerners and not learn Japanese - like every other Whitey I've met who's lived in Japan.


Well, the whitey men hang out with WHITE MEN; but hang out with Japanese women.


Indeed.


Off-topic question: do you like Cricket?
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Reply #132 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:56am
 
Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 8:25pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 5:12pm:
Grendel wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 5:04pm:
Not that people should migrate here to maintain their previous way of life especially if it is not compatible to a Western democracy.

Used to be you'd migrate to another country to become one of them...  the USA still expect that.


Totally agree. If I go to Japan, I should try to integrate into Japanese society, although I'll admit that I would probably never be able to fully integrate. That's ok. That's why I live in Australia.



You may. Or you may hang out with Westerners and not learn Japanese - like every other Whitey I've met who's lived in Japan.


Well, the whitey men hang out with WHITE MEN; but hang out with Japanese women.


Indeed.


Off-topic question: do you like Cricket?


Can't stand it. How un-Pakistani is that?
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Reply #133 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 8:02pm
 
The great immigration deceit

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In 2015, the Germany fertility rate was at 1.5 births per woman. This is below the EU average, and far lower than the population ‘replacement rate’ of 2.1. By 2030, the proportion of working-age residents in Germany is also predicted to fall from 61 per cent to 54 per cent.

However, while it is true that Germany does face issues of demography, is mass immigration a practical solution to the problem? British writer Douglas Murray, in The Strange Death of Europe, gives an infallible argument against Merkel’s reasoning. Murray leaves no doubt in reader’s minds that the European Union’s most powerful official must be either critically incompetent; or a liar.


For one, Merkel’s reasoning ignores the fact, so clearly elucidated by Murray, that migrants themselves get older; thus causing the eternal need for ever more migrants as time progresses. As migrants enter Germany, they ensure that even greater numbers are required in future; and thus the process is doomed to repeat itself with a continually increasing rate of immigration. Merkel’s espoused strategy is not sustainable in the long-term; immaterial of the fact that many migrants require more money from the state, over their lifetime, than they could ever contribute in the form of taxation.

Merkel’s outlook towards demographics also ignores the essential truth behind why German birth rates are so low. When first ruminating on your nation’s low birth rate, any competent world leader would surely look at fixing the root causes of the problem; as opposed to immediately looking to import a million people. The low birth rates in Western Europe are not indicative of a continent that has shunned the idea of children, but instead portrays a continent where lifestyle factors have led women to decide against having large families. British research, quoted by Murray in The Strange Death of Europe, found that only 8 per cent of women didn’t want children, and only 4 per cent wanted one child. By contrast, 55 per cent wanted two children; and the rest of the population three or more. For the average Western European woman, it is facts of life, such as the loss of income when a child is born, that discourage them from having as many children as they desire.

When facing the migrant crisis in 2015, Merkel would surely have been aware of this sentiment in her own country. If she had any idea, then Merkel should have known that mass migration was not a viable long-term solution to account for low German birth rates. By fixing the root issues that are causing native Germans to have fewer children, Merkel would have been infinitely more successful in plugging the nation’s long-term demographic shortfall. Programs such a generous maternity leave, while expensive to implement, would largely negate any apparent ‘necessity’ for mass immigration from the third-world; and would avoid the litany of costs and threats to social cohesion that present themselves as a result.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/02/the-great-immigration-deceit/

Anyone who argues for mass third world immigration to the West is critically incompetent or a liar.

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Reply #134 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 8:39pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 8:02pm:
The great immigration deceit

https://spectatorau.imgix.net/content/uploads/2018/02/Capture-8.jpg
In 2015, the Germany fertility rate was at 1.5 births per woman. This is below the EU average, and far lower than the population ‘replacement rate’ of 2.1. By 2030, the proportion of working-age residents in Germany is also predicted to fall from 61 per cent to 54 per cent.

However, while it is true that Germany does face issues of demography, is mass immigration a practical solution to the problem? British writer Douglas Murray, in The Strange Death of Europe, gives an infallible argument against Merkel’s reasoning. Murray leaves no doubt in reader’s minds that the European Union’s most powerful official must be either critically incompetent; or a liar.


For one, Merkel’s reasoning ignores the fact, so clearly elucidated by Murray, that migrants themselves get older; thus causing the eternal need for ever more migrants as time progresses. As migrants enter Germany, they ensure that even greater numbers are required in future; and thus the process is doomed to repeat itself with a continually increasing rate of immigration. Merkel’s espoused strategy is not sustainable in the long-term; immaterial of the fact that many migrants require more money from the state, over their lifetime, than they could ever contribute in the form of taxation.

Merkel’s outlook towards demographics also ignores the essential truth behind why German birth rates are so low. When first ruminating on your nation’s low birth rate, any competent world leader would surely look at fixing the root causes of the problem; as opposed to immediately looking to import a million people. The low birth rates in Western Europe are not indicative of a continent that has shunned the idea of children, but instead portrays a continent where lifestyle factors have led women to decide against having large families. British research, quoted by Murray in The Strange Death of Europe, found that only 8 per cent of women didn’t want children, and only 4 per cent wanted one child. By contrast, 55 per cent wanted two children; and the rest of the population three or more. For the average Western European woman, it is facts of life, such as the loss of income when a child is born, that discourage them from having as many children as they desire.

When facing the migrant crisis in 2015, Merkel would surely have been aware of this sentiment in her own country. If she had any idea, then Merkel should have known that mass migration was not a viable long-term solution to account for low German birth rates. By fixing the root issues that are causing native Germans to have fewer children, Merkel would have been infinitely more successful in plugging the nation’s long-term demographic shortfall. Programs such a generous maternity leave, while expensive to implement, would largely negate any apparent ‘necessity’ for mass immigration from the third-world; and would avoid the litany of costs and threats to social cohesion that present themselves as a result.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/02/the-great-immigration-deceit/

Anyone who argues for mass third world immigration to the West is critically incompetent or a liar.


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