Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 ... 4 5 6 7 
Send Topic Print
A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America. (Read 1669 times)
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 38377
I like fish
Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #75 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:36pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:17pm:
Brian-

Many people here only condemn Islam and quite volubly as well.   We have numerous threads on condemning Islam in different ways by different people.   Time after time, they choose to persecute innocent Muslims for being well, just Muslims.   Tsk, tsk. 


If Islam wasn't a problem nobody would bother.



What the problem is, Hammer, is that people like you take the word of the extremists that they represent what Islam is all about, rather than the word of the overwhelming majority of peaceful, law-abiding Muslims who say otherwise and who are in the main, the victims of the extremists.

When you can learn to sort out the differences between the extremists and the moderates and actually listen and understand what the moderates are saying, then you might come to understand what Islam is about.

However, I won't be holding my breath because your a bigoted, Racist, Xenophobe, now aren't you and you enjoy persecuting people, not because of what they do or believe but because of what you think they do and believe.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


We also have the word of the world's Muslims via surveys such as that done by Pew. But you don't like to talk about that, do you Brian?

Do you have the right or ability to criticise Islam?
Back to top
 

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man - George Bernard Shaw
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Ye Grappler
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 33011
Mid-North Coast NSW
Gender: male
Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #76 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:44pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:27pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:18pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 8:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 7:56pm:
It is just always about Muslims.   Tsk, tsk, Soren, your Xenophobia and Islamophobia is showing...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


If he was xenophobic, would that not me all foreigners? So he's not xenophobic, you probably need another word. Islam is an ideology to be feared and rejected just like other extreme ideologies.


It is possible to be Xenophobic to just one group of foreigners.   Islam is a religion, just as Christianity, Hinduism, Judiasm, etc. are religions, Selanta.   Roll Eyes


It is not Xenophobic to resist an ideology, you stupid old piss-soaked auntie.  Islam is a religion AND an ideology.

Don't YOU resist Christian ideology, you daft, lying distorter?

Tsk, tsk  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes you bloody idiot.


Yes, I do.  However, Christians in Australian, are Australian (in the main).   Muslims in Australia according to you, come from overseas.  Therefore your hatred stems from your well known Xenophobia towards all migrants and Muslim migrants in particular, Soren.   Tsk, tsk, you are on record stating your hatred towards migrants, therefore you are Xenophobic.     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Saudi cleric says women are to blame for rape and harassment
'A woman who leaves her house wearing make-up and perfume is an adulteress', says Ahmed Bin Saad Al Qarni




'It's sinful for a man to look at a woman': Powerful Australian Muslim sheikh says merely LOOKING at the opposite sex might lead to adultery and is against Sharia law




Push to jail brutal Vic murderer for life
Dec 1, 2017

Prosecutors want an Islamic State sympathiser who murdered and mutilated his wife in front of their children to be jailed for life without parole.

But a lawyer for the Melbourne killer, who cannot be named to protect his children, says his client was suffering from drug-induced psychosis at the time, which could affect his sentence.

The 36-year-old appeared before the Victorian Supreme Court on Friday for a pre-sentence hearing after pleading guilty to murdering his wife at their Broadmeadows home in 2016.

Prosecutor Sharn Coombes said the couple's children - aged two, four and six at the time - saw their father repeatedly attack their mother with a knife.

"The accused set upon a prolonged and vicious attack on his wife, murdering her in front of their three children," she told the court.

"The two oldest children described their father having 'slaughtered' their mother in front of them."

An autopsy revealed the 27-year-old woman died of blood loss, with multiple wounds to her face and genitals, a gouged-out right eye, and two amputated fingers.

Two of the children told authorities they saw their father flush their mother's eye down the toilet.


The man later took his three young children with him to dump the body and afterwards ate pastries at a bakery.

"He closed the boot, then he sat on the boot to see if mum got up," the boy told authorities.

"Mummy didn't get up."

A jogger found the body in bushes near the Dallas tennis club on June 17, 2016, and she remained unidentified for three weeks.

Her husband was arrested on July 4, 2016 after police went to the family home to check on the children.

No one had reported the woman missing. She moved to Australia from Lebanon and was cut off from friends and family because of her husband's controlling behaviour.

He did not allow her to speak freely and refused to send the children to school and wanted them to only speak Lebanese, learn the Koran, and learn about guns and swords, war and jihad.


Life without on the chain gang in the hot sun - that'll soon drain the drugs out of him and improve the psychosis.... I'm certain two weeks would see a remarkable turnaround in that mental issue.....
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Online


Bored with racism/Islamophobia/
Xenophobia

Posts: 14566
Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #77 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 2:58pm
 
Double tap.
Back to top
 

Quote:
Quote:
Answer the question, [you know who].   How many Muslims do you know personally?

I don't know Brian. I only know the religious views of a fraction of the people I know.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Online


Bored with racism/Islamophobia/
Xenophobia

Posts: 14566
Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #78 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 3:01pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:27pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:18pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 8:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 7:56pm:
It is just always about Muslims.   Tsk, tsk, Soren, your Xenophobia and Islamophobia is showing...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


If he was xenophobic, would that not me all foreigners? So he's not xenophobic, you probably need another word. Islam is an ideology to be feared and rejected just like other extreme ideologies.


It is possible to be Xenophobic to just one group of foreigners.   Islam is a religion, just as Christianity, Hinduism, Judiasm, etc. are religions, Selanta.   Roll Eyes


It is not Xenophobic to resist an ideology, you stupid old piss-soaked auntie.  Islam is a religion AND an ideology.

Don't YOU resist Christian ideology, you daft, lying distorter?

Tsk, tsk  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes you bloody idiot.


Yes, I do.  However, Christians in Australian, are Australian (in the main).   Muslims in Australia according to you, come from overseas.  Therefore your hatred stems from your well known Xenophobia towards all migrants and Muslim migrants in particular, Soren.   Tsk, tsk, you are on record stating your hatred towards migrants, therefore you are Xenophobic.     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Saudi cleric...


Who, Soren?  He isn't an Australian, is he?  Tsk, tsk, see what I mean about dredging up overseas examples to condemn Australian Muslims?    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

Quote:
Quote:
Answer the question, [you know who].   How many Muslims do you know personally?

I don't know Brian. I only know the religious views of a fraction of the people I know.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Grendel
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 24040
Gender: male
Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #79 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 5:11pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:31pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:28pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:18pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 8:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 7:56pm:
It is just always about Muslims.   Tsk, tsk, Soren, your Xenophobia and Islamophobia is showing...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


If he was xenophobic, would that not me all foreigners? So he's not xenophobic, you probably need another word. Islam is an ideology to be feared and rejected just like other extreme ideologies.



It is possible to be Xenophobic to just one group of foreigners.   Islam is a religion, just as Christianity, Hinduism, Judiasm, etc. are religions, Selanta.   Roll Eyes


Is it? Isn't it a distaste of all people that are foreign?
Quote:
adjective
having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.

No mention of religion or ideology there either.


Nothing in that definition states that the dislike has to be directed towards all foreign people, Selanta.   It can be directed towards one foreign group.

How about instead, I use the term, "bigoted"?  Does that satisfy your pedantry?    Roll Eyes


Sure. How about you use that instead. On the other hand Islam is an ideology and religion, not liking it has nothing to do with being bigoted unless you are also a bigot because there are ideologies you do not appreciate.


Islam is a religion, Selanta, first and foremost.  If you wish to liken it to an ideology, you must accept that all other religions are similar.  Christianity, Judiasm, Buddhism, Hinduism, you name them, they all believe they have the path to righteousness.   All have directions how their believers should live their lives, how they should treat each other and non-believers.    Roll Eyes

Bwian is a liar, a hypocrite and a bigot Setanta...  you are simply wasting your time proving him wrong.
He never admits to it.
No matter how often and how clearly the point is made for him.
Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Setanta
Gold Member
*****
Online


Peace \/ man

Posts: 12553
Northern NSW
Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #80 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 8:47pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:13pm:
Depends.  Christianity and Judaism do.   I am unsure what the attitudes of Hinduism, Buddhism are, although the current events in Myanmar suggest that they believe they do.


Brian, there was a poll taken in Muslim countries, that was posted in defence of Islam, that showed the level of support for the death sentence for apostasy. Sure some countries were lower than others(which is why it was posted) but the average was 38% of Muslims in Muslim countries thought the death sentence should be given for apostasy. That is an alarming percentage of believers. Can you show me this same level of violence in another religion? Like I said, there is a gradient, good<-->bad for religions, ideology and people. Islam is at the bad end of the scale. It has no defence, it's obvious what it does to it's followers, help save people from this abomination of an ideology rather than defend it.

Back to top
 

nu ninda an ezzateni watar ma ekuteni
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 38377
I like fish
Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #81 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 10:21pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 8:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:13pm:
Depends.  Christianity and Judaism do.   I am unsure what the attitudes of Hinduism, Buddhism are, although the current events in Myanmar suggest that they believe they do.


Brian, there was a poll taken in Muslim countries, that was posted in defence of Islam, that showed the level of support for the death sentence for apostasy. Sure some countries were lower than others(which is why it was posted) but the average was 38% of Muslims in Muslim countries thought the death sentence should be given for apostasy. That is an alarming percentage of believers. Can you show me this same level of violence in another religion? Like I said, there is a gradient, good<-->bad for religions, ideology and people. Islam is at the bad end of the scale. It has no defence, it's obvious what it does to it's followers, help save people from this abomination of an ideology rather than defend it.



Brian will suddenly decide he is only capable of talking about Australian Muslims, whom he regularly speaks on behalf of.
Back to top
 

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man - George Bernard Shaw
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Online


Bored with racism/Islamophobia/
Xenophobia

Posts: 14566
Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #82 - Dec 4th, 2017 at 4:52pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 8:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:13pm:
Depends.  Christianity and Judaism do.   I am unsure what the attitudes of Hinduism, Buddhism are, although the current events in Myanmar suggest that they believe they do.


Brian, there was a poll taken in Muslim countries, that was posted in defence of Islam, that showed the level of support for the death sentence for apostasy. Sure some countries were lower than others(which is why it was posted) but the average was 38% of Muslims in Muslim countries thought the death sentence should be given for apostasy. That is an alarming percentage of believers. Can you show me this same level of violence in another religion? Like I said, there is a gradient, good<-->bad for religions, ideology and people. Islam is at the bad end of the scale. It has no defence, it's obvious what it does to it's followers, help save people from this abomination of an ideology rather than defend it.


Well, I won't comment until a link is posted, except to note that as you've mentioned it, there is a disparity of attitudes across national boundaries and I'd suggest it all depends on the education level and the socio-economic standing of the respondent.

When you tell us what the average is for Australian Muslims, it will be much more interesting.

Oh, and BTW, how many Christians believe in the death penalty for crimes such as Treason, I wonder?

It is the choice of the Muslims what they wish to believe, Selanta.  It is the choice of the Australian legal system what Australians, no matter what the citizens' belief system or culture or "race" may do, legally.   Killing someone illegally, is either Homicide or Manslaughter, according to our laws.   Which laws do Australian Muslims live by, again?    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

Quote:
Quote:
Answer the question, [you know who].   How many Muslims do you know personally?

I don't know Brian. I only know the religious views of a fraction of the people I know.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Online


Bored with racism/Islamophobia/
Xenophobia

Posts: 14566
Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #83 - Dec 4th, 2017 at 4:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 8:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:13pm:
Depends.  Christianity and Judaism do.   I am unsure what the attitudes of Hinduism, Buddhism are, although the current events in Myanmar suggest that they believe they do.


Brian, there was a poll taken in Muslim countries, that was posted in defence of Islam, that showed the level of support for the death sentence for apostasy. Sure some countries were lower than others(which is why it was posted) but the average was 38% of Muslims in Muslim countries thought the death sentence should be given for apostasy. That is an alarming percentage of believers. Can you show me this same level of violence in another religion? Like I said, there is a gradient, good<-->bad for religions, ideology and people. Islam is at the bad end of the scale. It has no defence, it's obvious what it does to it's followers, help save people from this abomination of an ideology rather than defend it.



Brian will suddenly decide he is only capable of talking about Australian Muslims, whom he regularly speaks on behalf of.



Oh, excuse me, FD.  Who do you speak for when you attack all Muslims, again?   Let me check, what is the name of this forum again?  Oh, that's right, "Oz Politics".   I've always assumed the emphasis was on Australian Politics...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

Quote:
Quote:
Answer the question, [you know who].   How many Muslims do you know personally?

I don't know Brian. I only know the religious views of a fraction of the people I know.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 38377
I like fish
Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #84 - Dec 4th, 2017 at 5:39pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4th, 2017 at 4:54pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 8:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:13pm:
Depends.  Christianity and Judaism do.   I am unsure what the attitudes of Hinduism, Buddhism are, although the current events in Myanmar suggest that they believe they do.


Brian, there was a poll taken in Muslim countries, that was posted in defence of Islam, that showed the level of support for the death sentence for apostasy. Sure some countries were lower than others(which is why it was posted) but the average was 38% of Muslims in Muslim countries thought the death sentence should be given for apostasy. That is an alarming percentage of believers. Can you show me this same level of violence in another religion? Like I said, there is a gradient, good<-->bad for religions, ideology and people. Islam is at the bad end of the scale. It has no defence, it's obvious what it does to it's followers, help save people from this abomination of an ideology rather than defend it.



Brian will suddenly decide he is only capable of talking about Australian Muslims, whom he regularly speaks on behalf of.



Oh, excuse me, FD.  Who do you speak for when you attack all Muslims, again?   Let me check, what is the name of this forum again?  Oh, that's right, "Oz Politics".   I've always assumed the emphasis was on Australian Politics...   Roll Eyes


I speak for myself. You frequently claim to know what they think. You have never explained how. But when someone produces a survey showing what they say they think, you run a mile.
Back to top
 

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man - George Bernard Shaw
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Frank
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6539
Gender: male
Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #85 - Dec 4th, 2017 at 6:46pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
It is the choice of the Muslims what they wish to believe, Selanta.  It is the choice of the Australian legal system what Australians, no matter what the citizens' belief system or culture or "race" may do, legally.   Killing someone illegally, is either Homicide or Manslaughter, according to our laws.   Which laws do Australian Muslims live by, again?    Roll Eyes



It is interesting to see your gauche attempt at subtle dishonesty, Bwian.

"It is the choice of the Muslims what they wish to believe".  But you do not say that it is also "the choice of Australians what they wish to believe".

Why?

Mostly because in your addled mind it is OK for Muslims to reject Western civilisational values but NOT OK for Westerners to reject Islamic values.

Why is one OK but not the other, Bwian?


Well, of course it is not OK allow Muslims what is not given to Australians and it's a completely unprincipled contradiction, a product of your sly and silly mind.

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  tsk, tsk.




Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 38377
I like fish
Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #86 - Dec 4th, 2017 at 6:54pm
 
Brian also believes he has no right or ability to criticise Islam.
Back to top
 

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man - George Bernard Shaw
WWW  
IP Logged
 
philperth2010
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 11444
Perth
Gender: male
Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #87 - Dec 4th, 2017 at 7:07pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2017 at 6:54pm:
Brian also believes he has no right or ability to criticise Islam.


Do Muslims have the right to criticise and condemn the West and the fact it is their countries that are being invaded based on bullshit???

Huh Huh Huh
Back to top
 

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
 
IP Logged
 
Mr Hammer
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 13614
Gender: male
Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #88 - Dec 4th, 2017 at 7:12pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4th, 2017 at 7:07pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2017 at 6:54pm:
Brian also believes he has no right or ability to criticise Islam.


Do Muslims have the right to criticise and condemn the West and the fact it is their countries that are being invaded based on bullshit???

Huh Huh Huh

I don't have a problem with Muslims criticising these stupid wars. They were a big mistake. I have a problem with Muslims playing the victim and blaming their communities problems and actions solely on this. Islamic terrorism has been going on for hundreds of years. They have some rotten fruit that's causing big problems.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 38377
I like fish
Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #89 - Dec 4th, 2017 at 7:33pm
 
It's been going on since Muhammad started slaughtering Jews.
Back to top
 

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man - George Bernard Shaw
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 ... 4 5 6 7 
Send Topic Print