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Reply #60 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:52pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Islam is a religion, Selanta, first and foremost.  If you wish to liken it to an ideology, you must accept that all other religions are similar.  Christianity, Judiasm, Buddhism, Hinduism, you name them, they all believe they have the path to righteousness.   All have directions how their believers should live their lives, how they should treat each other and non-believers.    Roll Eyes


You seriously see no difference in the religions in how they expect their societies to run? Whether the law of the land they live in comes first? Islam has a set of laws to govern all societies, not just their own like nutty fundy Jews, it's an ideology. It's as political as much as it is religious.
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Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #61 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 10:07pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:52pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Islam is a religion, Selanta, first and foremost.  If you wish to liken it to an ideology, you must accept that all other religions are similar.  Christianity, Judiasm, Buddhism, Hinduism, you name them, they all believe they have the path to righteousness.   All have directions how their believers should live their lives, how they should treat each other and non-believers.    Roll Eyes


You seriously see no difference in the religions in how they expect their societies to run? Whether the law of the land they live in comes first? Islam has a set of laws to govern all societies, not just their own like nutty fundy Jews, it's an ideology. It's as political as much as it is religious.


All religions have their own views on the legality of how their believers act, Selanta.  All religions.   So, if you're going to condemn one, you really need to condemn them all, otherwise you are persecuting only one religion.    Roll Eyes
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Answer the question, [you know who].   How many Muslims do you know personally?

I don't know Brian. I only know the religious views of a fraction of the people I know.
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Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #62 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 10:11pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:52pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Islam is a religion, Selanta, first and foremost.  If you wish to liken it to an ideology, you must accept that all other religions are similar.  Christianity, Judiasm, Buddhism, Hinduism, you name them, they all believe they have the path to righteousness.   All have directions how their believers should live their lives, how they should treat each other and non-believers.    Roll Eyes


You seriously see no difference in the religions in how they expect their societies to run? Whether the law of the land they live in comes first? Islam has a set of laws to govern all societies, not just their own like nutty fundy Jews, it's an ideology. It's as political as much as it is religious.


Furthermore the intensity and level of religiosity of followers of Islam is just so much higher.

Millions upon millions of them carry on with same level of nuttyness as a group like Westboro, which numbers barely 50 people.
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Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #63 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 10:13pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 10:07pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:52pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Islam is a religion, Selanta, first and foremost.  If you wish to liken it to an ideology, you must accept that all other religions are similar.  Christianity, Judiasm, Buddhism, Hinduism, you name them, they all believe they have the path to righteousness.   All have directions how their believers should live their lives, how they should treat each other and non-believers.    Roll Eyes


You seriously see no difference in the religions in how they expect their societies to run? Whether the law of the land they live in comes first? Islam has a set of laws to govern all societies, not just their own like nutty fundy Jews, it's an ideology. It's as political as much as it is religious.


All religions have their own views on the legality of how their believers act, Selanta.  All religions.   So, if you're going to condemn one, you really need to condemn them all, otherwise you are persecuting only one religion.    Roll Eyes



What a load of balls. Each one should be judged individually on its own.

A religion is merely a collection of rules and ideas, and they should also be judged on how the followers choose to interpret those rules and ideas.
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Reply #64 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 10:23pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 10:07pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:52pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Islam is a religion, Selanta, first and foremost.  If you wish to liken it to an ideology, you must accept that all other religions are similar.  Christianity, Judiasm, Buddhism, Hinduism, you name them, they all believe they have the path to righteousness.   All have directions how their believers should live their lives, how they should treat each other and non-believers.    Roll Eyes


You seriously see no difference in the religions in how they expect their societies to run? Whether the law of the land they live in comes first? Islam has a set of laws to govern all societies, not just their own like nutty fundy Jews, it's an ideology. It's as political as much as it is religious.


All religions have their own views on the legality of how their believers act, Selanta.  All religions.   So, if you're going to condemn one, you really need to condemn them all, otherwise you are persecuting only one religion.    Roll Eyes


Do all religions have legality on how those who do not follow their religion act?

I do condemn them all. I think it's pretty much on record here what I think of religions but not all are equal just as not all societies are equal and not all people are equal on the scale of good/bad. You'll notice I do not pick on Muslims, I have no problems picking on what they believe, just as you have a go at ideologies you do not like. The funny thing is I would think you'd rather not live in a counrty ruled by this ideology. It should not be defended but condemned.


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Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #65 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 11:31am
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 10:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:52pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Islam is a religion, Selanta, first and foremost.  If you wish to liken it to an ideology, you must accept that all other religions are similar.  Christianity, Judiasm, Buddhism, Hinduism, you name them, they all believe they have the path to righteousness.   All have directions how their believers should live their lives, how they should treat each other and non-believers.    Roll Eyes


You seriously see no difference in the religions in how they expect their societies to run? Whether the law of the land they live in comes first? Islam has a set of laws to govern all societies, not just their own like nutty fundy Jews, it's an ideology. It's as political as much as it is religious.


Furthermore the intensity and level of religiosity of followers of Islam is just so much higher.

Millions upon millions of them carry on with same level of nuttyness as a group like Westboro, which numbers barely 50 people.


Post of the week Gordy.
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Reply #66 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 11:55am
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 10:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 10:07pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:52pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Islam is a religion, Selanta, first and foremost.  If you wish to liken it to an ideology, you must accept that all other religions are similar.  Christianity, Judiasm, Buddhism, Hinduism, you name them, they all believe they have the path to righteousness.   All have directions how their believers should live their lives, how they should treat each other and non-believers.    Roll Eyes


You seriously see no difference in the religions in how they expect their societies to run? Whether the law of the land they live in comes first? Islam has a set of laws to govern all societies, not just their own like nutty fundy Jews, it's an ideology. It's as political as much as it is religious.


All religions have their own views on the legality of how their believers act, Selanta.  All religions.   So, if you're going to condemn one, you really need to condemn them all, otherwise you are persecuting only one religion.    Roll Eyes


Do all religions have legality on how those who do not follow their religion act?

I do condemn them all. I think it's pretty much on record here what I think of religions but not all are equal just as not all societies are equal and not all people are equal on the scale of good/bad. You'll notice I do not pick on Muslims, I have no problems picking on what they believe, just as you have a go at ideologies you do not like. The funny thing is I would think you'd rather not live in a counrty ruled by this ideology. It should not be defended but condemned.




Brian has claimed he has no right or even ability to criticise other nations or religions. So it is strange to see him insist you must condemn them all. Perhaps he is saying you should not condemn any of them. The only thing he is consistent in is leaping to the defence of Islam.
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Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #67 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:07pm
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 10:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:52pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Islam is a religion, Selanta, first and foremost.  If you wish to liken it to an ideology, you must accept that all other religions are similar.  Christianity, Judiasm, Buddhism, Hinduism, you name them, they all believe they have the path to righteousness.   All have directions how their believers should live their lives, how they should treat each other and non-believers.    Roll Eyes


You seriously see no difference in the religions in how they expect their societies to run? Whether the law of the land they live in comes first? Islam has a set of laws to govern all societies, not just their own like nutty fundy Jews, it's an ideology. It's as political as much as it is religious.


Furthermore the intensity and level of religiosity of followers of Islam is just so much higher.

Millions upon millions of them carry on with same level of nuttyness as a group like Westboro, which numbers barely 50 people.



Westboro?  Funny, I've always been told they aren't real Christians, Gordon.

How about the Brotherhood, Opus Dei, and so on?  They number quite a few more...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #68 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:10pm
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 10:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 10:07pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:52pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Islam is a religion, Selanta, first and foremost.  If you wish to liken it to an ideology, you must accept that all other religions are similar.  Christianity, Judiasm, Buddhism, Hinduism, you name them, they all believe they have the path to righteousness.   All have directions how their believers should live their lives, how they should treat each other and non-believers.    Roll Eyes


You seriously see no difference in the religions in how they expect their societies to run? Whether the law of the land they live in comes first? Islam has a set of laws to govern all societies, not just their own like nutty fundy Jews, it's an ideology. It's as political as much as it is religious.


All religions have their own views on the legality of how their believers act, Selanta.  All religions.   So, if you're going to condemn one, you really need to condemn them all, otherwise you are persecuting only one religion.    Roll Eyes


What a load of balls. Each one should be judged individually on its own.

A religion is merely a collection of rules and ideas, and they should also be judged on how the followers choose to interpret those rules and ideas.


So, why then condemn Australian Muslims, Gordon?  They appear, overwhelmingly, to be following their religion's views peacefully, within Australia's legal system.   Why always drag up overseas examples to condemn Australian Muslims?  Mmmm?     Roll Eyes
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Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #69 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:13pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 10:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 10:07pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:52pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Islam is a religion, Selanta, first and foremost.  If you wish to liken it to an ideology, you must accept that all other religions are similar.  Christianity, Judiasm, Buddhism, Hinduism, you name them, they all believe they have the path to righteousness.   All have directions how their believers should live their lives, how they should treat each other and non-believers.    Roll Eyes


You seriously see no difference in the religions in how they expect their societies to run? Whether the law of the land they live in comes first? Islam has a set of laws to govern all societies, not just their own like nutty fundy Jews, it's an ideology. It's as political as much as it is religious.


All religions have their own views on the legality of how their believers act, Selanta.  All religions.   So, if you're going to condemn one, you really need to condemn them all, otherwise you are persecuting only one religion.    Roll Eyes


Do all religions have legality on how those who do not follow their religion act?


Depends.  Christianity and Judaism do.   I am unsure what the attitudes of Hinduism, Buddhism are, although the current events in Myanmar suggest that they believe they do.

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I do condemn them all. I think it's pretty much on record here what I think of religions but not all are equal just as not all societies are equal and not all people are equal on the scale of good/bad. You'll notice I do not pick on Muslims, I have no problems picking on what they believe, just as you have a go at ideologies you do not like. The funny thing is I would think you'd rather not live in a counrty ruled by this ideology. It should not be defended but condemned.


Then you are unusual, Selanta.   Many people here only condemn Islam and quite volubly as well.   We have numerous threads on condemning Islam in different ways by different people.   Time after time, they choose to persecute innocent Muslims for being well, just Muslims.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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Many people here only condemn Islam and quite volubly as well.   We have numerous threads on condemning Islam in different ways by different people.   Time after time, they choose to persecute innocent Muslims for being well, just Muslims.   Tsk, tsk. 


If Islam wasn't a problem nobody would bother.
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Reply #71 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:23pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:17pm:
Brian-

Many people here only condemn Islam and quite volubly as well.   We have numerous threads on condemning Islam in different ways by different people.   Time after time, they choose to persecute innocent Muslims for being well, just Muslims.   Tsk, tsk. 


If Islam wasn't a problem nobody would bother.



What the problem is, Hammer, is that people like you take the word of the extremists that they represent what Islam is all about, rather than the word of the overwhelming majority of peaceful, law-abiding Muslims who say otherwise and who are in the main, the victims of the extremists.

When you can learn to sort out the differences between the extremists and the moderates and actually listen and understand what the moderates are saying, then you might come to understand what Islam is about.

However, I won't be holding my breath because your a bigoted, Racist, Xenophobe, now aren't you and you enjoy persecuting people, not because of what they do or believe but because of what you think they do and believe.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #72 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:29pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:27pm:
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It is just always about Muslims.   Tsk, tsk, Soren, your Xenophobia and Islamophobia is showing...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


If he was xenophobic, would that not me all foreigners? So he's not xenophobic, you probably need another word. Islam is an ideology to be feared and rejected just like other extreme ideologies.


It is possible to be Xenophobic to just one group of foreigners.   Islam is a religion, just as Christianity, Hinduism, Judiasm, etc. are religions, Selanta.   Roll Eyes


It is not Xenophobic to resist an ideology, you stupid old piss-soaked auntie.  Islam is a religion AND an ideology.

Don't YOU resist Christian ideology, you daft, lying distorter?

Tsk, tsk  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes you bloody idiot.


Yes, I do.  However, Christians in Australian, are Australian (in the main).   Muslims in Australia according to you, come from overseas.  Therefore your hatred stems from your well known Xenophobia towards all migrants and Muslim migrants in particular, Soren.   Tsk, tsk, you are on record stating your hatred towards migrants, therefore you are Xenophobic.     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



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Re: A hell of a speech by Katie Hopkins in America.
Reply #73 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:31pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:17pm:
Brian-

Many people here only condemn Islam and quite volubly as well.   We have numerous threads on condemning Islam in different ways by different people.   Time after time, they choose to persecute innocent Muslims for being well, just Muslims.   Tsk, tsk. 


If Islam wasn't a problem nobody would bother.



What the problem is, Hammer, is that people like you take the word of the extremists that they represent what Islam is all about, rather than the word of the overwhelming majority of peaceful, law-abiding Muslims who say otherwise and who are in the main, the victims of the extremists.

When you can learn to sort out the differences between the extremists and the moderates and actually listen and understand what the moderates are saying, then you might come to understand what Islam is about.

However, I won't be holding my breath because your a bigoted, Racist, Xenophobe, now aren't you and you enjoy persecuting people, not because of what they do or believe but because of what you think they do and believe.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes

I'm not concerned with the majority Brian, I'm more concerned about all the people dying.
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Reply #74 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:33pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:23pm:
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When you can learn to sort out the differences between the extremists and the moderates and actually listen and understand what the moderates are saying, then you might come to understand what Islam is about.





You don't know what Islam is all about, Bwian, so don't preach crap.


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What has Islam brought into the world that is new and an improvement?

No idea.  Ask a Muslim, Soren.   I'm not one.  I don't worship Allah.

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