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TheFunPolice Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9009 waggawagga Gender:	Do 1/3 of Australians secretly like one nation? Dec 1^st, 2017 at 1:58pm What was the Queensland result again?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131477 Gender:	Re: Do 1/3 of Australians secretly like one nation? Reply #1 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:00pm No.
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TheFunPolice Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9009 waggawagga Gender:	Re: Do 1/3 of Australians secretly like one nation? Reply #2 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:25pm greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:00pm: No. What happened in Queensland then?
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President Elect, The Mechanic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17501 Gender:	Re: Do 1/3 of Australians secretly like one nation? Reply #3 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:27pm In the seats that they contested their primary vote was an average of 20 % This is what done the Liberals...
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131477 Gender:	Re: Do 1/3 of Australians secretly like one nation? Reply #4 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:32pm TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:00pm: No. What happened in Queensland then? The ALP won 47 seats.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39506 Gender:	Re: Do 1/3 of Australians secretly like one nation? Reply #5 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:57pm President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:27pm: In the seats that they contested their primary vote was an average of 20 % This is what done the Liberals... Yes, that would take away the libs chance of winning. the libs now no longer stand for what they used to.
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Re: Do 1/3 of Australians secretly like one nation?
Reply #6 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 3:02pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:27pm:

In the seats that they contested their primary vote was an average of 20 %

This is what done the Liberals...

Bullshite: one nation saved their bacon!

The greens had f all!

Mostly, that is, because some seats had greens higher than one nation but mostly it was one nation who gave the Libs the seat via preferences!

That's why the decision has taken so long to become official!

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Reply #7 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 3:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:32pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:00pm:

No.

What happened in Queensland then?

The ALP won 47 seats.

And if it wasn't for one nation preferences the Libs would have lost the furniture!

They were well over 30% in a few seats and in fact labour preferences got the Libs over the line in a number of them!

Their influence was massive: the questions,as to why will be thoroughly examined over the next 18 months and you can take that to the bank!

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Reply #8 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 3:09pm

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If the basis of the assessment is the party's primary vote, then One Nation was relatively successful, securing the third-highest vote of any party at the election even though it contested only 65 per cent of all seats.
It attained a state wide primary vote of 13.69 per cent across the 61 seats in which it fielded candidates.
In slightly more than half of the seats it contested, One Nation achieved more than 20 per cent of the primary vote. This is a relatively high vote share for a minor party.
If the basis for assessment is using preference recommendations to influence the election, then One Nation can also claim to have had some impact.

That's pretty good figures for a minor party. They are definitely still a party with impact on the queensland political scene.

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Reply #9 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 3:17pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 3:09pm:

ABC News-

If the basis of the assessment is the party's primary vote, then One Nation was relatively successful, securing the third-highest vote of any party at the election even though it contested only 65 per cent of all seats.
It attained a state wide primary vote of 13.69 per cent across the 61 seats in which it fielded candidates.
In slightly more than half of the seats it contested, One Nation achieved more than 20 per cent of the primary vote. This is a relatively high vote share for a minor party.
If the basis for assessment is using preference recommendations to influence the election, then One Nation can also claim to have had some impact.

That's pretty good figures for a minor party. They are definitely still a party with impact on the queensland political scene.

Certainly: I over egged the thread title a tad but they were over 30% in some of the seats I seem to remember!

I'm sure labor preferences were needed to give the Libs the seat over one nation in a few instances!

You can't dismiss that type of influence: the greens have always had a stable ten percent but for a Pauline Hanson to fly in and give established career politicians real cause for concern has to get a lot of attention out in the la la land of Foxtels Paul Murray and friends!

What a Freak that bloke is.... Grin

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Reply #10 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 3:26pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 3:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 3:09pm:

ABC News-

If the basis of the assessment is the party's primary vote, then One Nation was relatively successful, securing the third-highest vote of any party at the election even though it contested only 65 per cent of all seats.
It attained a state wide primary vote of 13.69 per cent across the 61 seats in which it fielded candidates.
In slightly more than half of the seats it contested, One Nation achieved more than 20 per cent of the primary vote. This is a relatively high vote share for a minor party.
If the basis for assessment is using preference recommendations to influence the election, then One Nation can also claim to have had some impact.

That's pretty good figures for a minor party. They are definitely still a party with impact on the queensland political scene.

Certainly: I over egged the thread title a tad but they were over 30% in some of the seats I seem to remember!

I'm sure labor preferences were needed to give the Libs the seat over one nation in a few instances!

You can't dismiss that type of influence: the greens have always had a stable ten percent but for a Pauline Hanson to fly in and give established career politicians real cause for concern has to get a lot of attention out in the la la land of Foxtels Paul Murray and friends!

What a Freak that bloke is.... Grin

Considering their vote count when they only fielded a candidate in 65% of seats is pretty alarming for the political status quo. I like her because she is breathing down their necks and it might inspire them to make sure they conduct good governance.

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Reply #11 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 3:37pm

Well, if its a secret, I don't know. But I think their success may have something to do with people being able support a specific part of their message, while not everything they have to say. I voted Liberal in the Federal election, and Labor in Queensland for similar reasons. Not everyone votes on Party lines.

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Reply #12 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 3:43pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 3:26pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 3:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 3:09pm:

ABC News-

If the basis of the assessment is the party's primary vote, then One Nation was relatively successful, securing the third-highest vote of any party at the election even though it contested only 65 per cent of all seats.
It attained a state wide primary vote of 13.69 per cent across the 61 seats in which it fielded candidates.
In slightly more than half of the seats it contested, One Nation achieved more than 20 per cent of the primary vote. This is a relatively high vote share for a minor party.
If the basis for assessment is using preference recommendations to influence the election, then One Nation can also claim to have had some impact.

That's pretty good figures for a minor party. They are definitely still a party with impact on the queensland political scene.

Certainly: I over egged the thread title a tad but they were over 30% in some of the seats I seem to remember!

I'm sure labor preferences were needed to give the Libs the seat over one nation in a few instances!

You can't dismiss that type of influence: the greens have always had a stable ten percent but for a Pauline Hanson to fly in and give established career politicians real cause for concern has to get a lot of attention out in the la la land of Foxtels Paul Murray and friends!

What a Freak that bloke is.... Grin

Considering their vote count when they only fielded a candidate in 65% of seats is pretty alarming for the political status quo. I like her because she is breathing down their necks and it might inspire them to make sure they conduct good governance.

Well, in the end Pauline Hanson had a right to be buoyant about a positive result it just didn't quite go her way: but, yeh, amazing result by pure numbers voting for her!

She will take a lot of positives from this result even tho she didn't get exactly what she hoped for!

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Reply #13 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 3:49pm

issuevoter wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 3:37pm:

Well, if its a secret, I don't know. But I think their success may have something to do with people being able support a specific part of their message, while not everything they have to say. I voted Liberal in the Federal election, and Labor in Queensland for similar reasons. Not everyone votes on Party lines.

Interesting, yeh!

I vote greens 1 and labor 2 basically in every election state or federal election. The only time I voted Libs 1 was twice after 9-11 just to support a global stability and the man that was in the job at the time so as to lend moral support.

But, do I agree with gay marriage: no sir, I have been more than vocal in my view on that!

I simply cannot believe the figgin labor party and also the friggin football codes that we all pay our money for football entertainment are all supporting it too: as in telling us what the frig family values are!

Anyway, I've made my views in that particular THING very very clear so need to say it again!

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19623 Perth Gender:	Re: Do 1/3 of Australians secretly like one nation? Reply #14 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 4:33pm One Nation preferenced all sitting members last in Queensland which I think hurt the Coalition more than the ALP who probably wouldn't get One Nation votes anyway....The Coalition should seriously think about doing a preference deal with One Nation in future or risk electoral oblivion???
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Reply #15 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 4:36pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 4:33pm:

One Nation preferenced all sitting members last in Queensland which I think hurt the Coalition more than the ALP who probably wouldn't get One Nation votes anyway....The Coalition should seriously think about doing a preference deal with One Nation in future or risk electoral oblivion???

Huh

So how come the abc predictions were all predicting the one nation preferences would put the libbo c words over the many line ball games that were the story of that particular night?

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Reply #16 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 4:47pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 4:36pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 4:33pm:

One Nation preferenced all sitting members last in Queensland which I think hurt the Coalition more than the ALP who probably wouldn't get One Nation votes anyway....The Coalition should seriously think about doing a preference deal with One Nation in future or risk electoral oblivion???

Huh

So how come the abc predictions were all predicting the one nation preferences would put the libbo c words over the many line ball games that were the story of that particular night?

Here is an article that explains it if you are interested???

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"They directed preferences against every sitting LNP member, but for some reason we decided that One Nation should not be preferenced last."

The LNP preferenced One Nation above Labor in over half of the electorates, while Labor put the minor party last."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-27/qld-election-lnp-must-accept-any-associati...

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Reply #17 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 4:53pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 4:47pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 4:36pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 4:33pm:

One Nation preferenced all sitting members last in Queensland which I think hurt the Coalition more than the ALP who probably wouldn't get One Nation votes anyway....The Coalition should seriously think about doing a preference deal with One Nation in future or risk electoral oblivion???

Huh

So how come the abc predictions were all predicting the one nation preferences would put the libbo c words over the many line ball games that were the story of that particular night?

Here is an article that explains it if you are interested???

Quote:

"They directed preferences against every sitting LNP member, but for some reason we decided that One Nation should not be preferenced last."

The LNP preferenced One Nation above Labor in over half of the electorates, while Labor put the minor party last."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-27/qld-election-lnp-must-accept-any-associati...

The abc forecaster certainly had a much more definite view!

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salad in Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5941	Re: Do 1/3 of Australians secretly like one nation? Reply #18 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 7:42pm Do 1/3 of Australians secretly like one nation? I'm not sure about that but I can tell you one thing for sure; 2 out of 3 Australians love COPPER and they can't get enough of the blessed stuff. You can take that to the bank.
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Reply #19 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 8:28pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:57pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:27pm:

In the seats that they contested their primary vote was an average of 20 %

This is what done the Liberals...

Yes, that would take away the libs chance of winning.

the libs now no longer stand for what they used to.

Don't recall them ever standing for anything ? Just that people were more gullible.

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Reply #20 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 8:31pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 8:28pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:57pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:27pm:

In the seats that they contested their primary vote was an average of 20 %

This is what done the Liberals...

Yes, that would take away the libs chance of winning.

the libs now no longer stand for what they used to.

Don't recall them ever standing for anything ? Just that people were more gullible.

There's nothing more gullible than voting for the same 2 parties decade after decade . Especially when they put out bad governments.

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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: Do 1/3 of Australians secretly like one nation? Reply #21 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 8:42pm 1/3 of Australians are genuinely pissed off, who else can we turn to but Pauline. 1/3 don't know what is going on at all so that leaves 1/3 who think they know best.
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Reply #22 - Dec 3^rd, 2017 at 4:58pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 3:02pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 2:27pm:

In the seats that they contested their primary vote was an average of 20 %

This is what done the Liberals...

Bullshite: one nation saved their bacon!

The greens had f all!

Mostly, that is, because some seats had greens higher than one nation but mostly it was one nation who gave the Libs the seat via preferences!

That's why the decision has taken so long to become official!

um yeah...

you should probably stay out of politics as you clearly don't understand it like Kat, DNA and now yourstupidself... Roll Eyes

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And unlike the situation with One Nation, whose anti-Liberal preferencing helped deliver Labor as many as ten Queensland seats, Richa is directing preferences to the Liberal’s John Alexander after Fred Nile’s Christian Democratic Party, with Keneally at number five, and the Greens last in a left-leaning field of 12.

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Do 1/3 of Australians secretly like one nation? Reply #23 - Dec 7^th, 2017 at 11:00pm Explains the one seat in a home state
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