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Whose law, in the land of the infidel ?
Nov 24th, 2017 at 6:31pm
 


QUESTION;

Does ISLAMIC law require, that the moslem must obey and respect the laws of the infidel, where they live ?



"....this authority must be in accordance with God's law."


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Quote:

O you believe, obey God and obey the messenger and those in charge among you.
Koran 4:59


The term "those in charge among you" covers a wide variety of people.

In order to determine who is actually entitled to have authority, it would be quite logical to assert that this authority must be in accordance with God's law.

In other words, it must be a God given authority, and not an authority that is self claimed.


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2-
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4- For citizens, they must obey the established authorities (e.g. the courts, the police, etc). They must obey the law of the land as long as it does not violate God's law.

http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/misinterpreted_verses/authority_(P1246).h...


Please pay attention to the 'form of words' that are being used [above].....

i.e.
Moslems,
"must obey the law of the land"

...."as long as it does not violate God's law."



Whenever moslems who live in places like Australia,
are questioned about the moslem community's respect and commitment to obey
'the laws of the land'
[i.e. Australian secular laws], the moslem will usually respond;

"Our religion mandates that moslems must obey the law of the land."




Whereas, to members of their own community, moslems will advise;

"Moslems must obey the law of the land, as long as it does not contradict our religion."




In these types of dialectic discussions with the non-moslem,
you will invariably witness the moslem forming many of his statements, using 'weasel words'.

'Weasel words' ?

e.g.
"ISLAMIC law forbids the killing of innocent people."


Nothing could be more 'unambiguous', right ?




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another...
Quote:

The general rule is that a Muslim should obey those in authority as long as they do not command us to commit sins.


"Listening to and obeying the leader is an obligation as long as he does not command disobedience to Allah.
If he commands disobedience, then there is no listening to him or obedience."
Source: Sahih Bukhari 2796, Grade: Sahih

https://abuaminaelias.com/obeying-the-law-in-non-muslim-countries/

n.b.
All secular regimes "command disobedience to Allah",
because they do not explicitly command obedience to Allah !



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another...
Quote:

Some Muslims are under the impression that it is permissible to violate the laws of countries that are not an Islamic state (al-Khilafa), which is totally incorrect.

Muslims must adhere to the laws of any country they live in, whether in the west or the east,

as long as the law is not in contradiction with one’s religion.

http://www.daruliftaa.com/node/5852



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another...
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From the above examples, it is obvious that the vast majority of one’s personal religious laws can easily fit into and be accommodated by the laws of any secular democracy, and it is for this reason that many Muslims who come from religiously repressive regimes actually prefer to live in non-Muslim lands.

On the flip side of the coin, we also understand that if man-made laws theoretically commanded us to disobey the laws of God, we would not be obliged to follow such a law,...

https://muslimmatters.org/2010/03/01/gods-law-and-man-made-laws-muslims-living-i
n-secular-democracies/



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MANY MOSLEMS WILL AFFIRM TO US, THAT;

ISLAMIC law, alone, is the most perfect law, as it comes directly from Allah.



"This day have I perfected your religion for you."
Koran 5.3

i.e.
All governance outside of ISLAMIC law, is 'man-made' and corrupt.



"O you believe, obey God and obey the messenger and those in charge among you."
Koran 4:59


"....[Allah] maketh none to share in his government."
Koran 18.026


"Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger! Those who disbelieve and hinder men from the Cause of Allah, He will not pardon. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace. You have the upper hand."
Koran 47.33-35


"O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak).
Nor be like those who say, "We hear," but listen not:
For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are the deaf and the dumb,- those who understand not."
Koran 8:20-22


"If not Him, ye worship nothing but names which ye have named,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah hath sent down no authority: the command is for none but Allah:...."
Koran 12.40


"Yea, to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth."
Koran 24.42


"Blessed is He Who hath revealed [IN HIS LAW!] unto His slave the Criterion (of right and wrong), that he may be a warner to the peoples.
He unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, He hath chosen no son nor hath He any partner in the Sovereignty. He hath created everything and hath meted out for it a measure."
Koran 25.1,2


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Whose law, in the land of the infidel ?
Reply #1 - Nov 24th, 2017 at 6:31pm
 


SUPLEMENTARY EVIDENCES, ARGUMENTS.....





Google;
Erdogan, "Sovereignty Belongs Unconditionally and Always To Allah"



Google;
Erdogan, "One Cannot Be a Muslim, and Secular"



Erdogan, today, 2017, is Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the ISLAMIST president of Turkey.




Quote:

Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt

"The Koran is our constitution"

"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"

"Jihad is our path"

"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg




do a search on YT, for
Mohammed Morsi - The Koran is our constitution




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QUESTION;
Would moslems who now live in the USA replace US Constitutional law, with ISLAMIC law,   ...IF THEY COULD ?

Out of the mouths of moslems in USA....

Do Muslims believe sharia law supersedes the Constitution_

https://youtu.be/pHQWezK1ccY






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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1510704790/2#2
Quote:

"....war on Infidels is mandated in the Qur’an and Sunnah."
- moslem accused, in court





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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1509883266/40#40
Quote:

ISLAM's foundational religious texts, have plainly been interpreted by moslem scholars to indicate,
that those who have embraced ISLAM,
have embraced enmity, and hatred, and hostility and warfare and murder, towards those who reject ISLAM.



Quote:

Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past.

They are not dead letters.

They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA


Google



Google;
we are pledging to wage war against all mankind, al-Tabari






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Yadda said....

Who is Mohammed ? Who is Allah ?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1510873256/0#0
Quote:

ARGUMENT;

The moslem is, the person who has sworn [and who continues to his swear] allegiance to ISLAM and to ISLAM's modalities, and, to Allah.


ARGUMENT;
There can be little doubt in the mind of any reasonable person,
that the moslem [the person who has sworn [and who continues to his swear] allegiance to ISLAM and to Allah],
is fully aware of what his 'religious' obligations are,
towards those who have been deemed to be the enemies of his faith.





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IMAGE.....
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Muslims rise up! Establish ISLAMIC law.



n.b.
The demand by this moslem, is not being made in Pakistan, nor in Iran !!

/sarc off


Those demands are being made by moslems, who are living [comfortably, and in safety, and within their safe sanctuary] within Western nations !!


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Re: Whose law, in the land of the infidel ?
Reply #2 - Nov 24th, 2017 at 6:32pm
 



Quote:

“Islam came for the good of humanity.  So if someone doesn't like good we fight them.”


Faruq Khalil Muhammad, explaining why he supports terrorism against infidels.




.........
"Allah is our objective, the Quran is our Constitution, the Prophet is our leader, Jihad is our way, and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."


Credo of the Muslim Brotherhood, which has spawned attacks and numerous subsidiary terrorist organizations





“Democracy is among the menaces we inherited from an alien government.

It is part of the system we are fighting against…

It is not possible to work within a democracy and establish an Islamic system…

If Allah gives us a chance, we will try to bring in the pure concept of an Islamic Caliphate.''

"The notion of the sovereignty of the people is anti-Islamic.

Only Allah is sovereign.''


Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, the leader of the  Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorist organization.





Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war.

Those who say this are witless.

Islam says: 'Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!

Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter their armies'....


The Ayatollah Khomeini 





“My motivation is a sense of duty toward my religious faith to fight against any hostile enemy of Islam.”


Abu Deraa, Shiite terrorist known for drilling into captive’s heads






"We are defending Islam and its sanctity”


A woman training to be a suicide bomber

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/in-the-name-of-allah.aspx




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Quote:

"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam...



...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.

"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone,"
Mr Hanif [said]"


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...



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The moslem wants     ONE LAW,      ISLAMIC law.


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IMAGE...
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Abdul Nacer Ben Brika



Quote:

August 4, 2005      
Australian Islamic leader defends jihad


"I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion.

It doesn't tolerate
," he said.

"The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, is Islam."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2005-08-04/australian-islamic-leader-defends-jihad/20...



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