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Nov 22nd, 2017 at 10:50am
 
MPs vote the "animals cannot feel pain or emotion" into the Brexit Bill


MPs have voted to reject the inclusion of animal sentience – the admission that animals feel emotion and pain – into the EU Withdrawal Bill.

The move has been criticised by animal rights activists, who say the vote undermines environment secretary Michael Gove’s pledge to prioritise animal rights during Brexit.

The majority of animal welfare legislation comes from the EU. The UK Government is tasked with adopting EU laws directly after March 2019 but has dismissed animal sentience.

The Government said during the debate before the vote that this clause is covered by the Animal Welfare Act 2006.

The RSPCA disputed the Government’s claim.

"It’s shocking that MPs have given the thumbs down to incorporating animal sentience into post-Brexit UK law," RSPCA head of public affairs David Bowles told Farming UK.

He added that domestic animals were only covered in the Act, and the 2006 law does not cover sentience.

“In the EU, we know that the recognition of animals as sentient beings has been effective in improving animal welfare across the region,” he said.

“If the UK is to achieve the Environment Secretary’s objective of achieving the highest possible animal welfare post-Brexit, it must do the same.”

Nick Palmer, head of policy at Compassion in World Farming, said: "How can the UK be seen as a leader in animal welfare when the repeal bill fails to guarantee that animals will continue to be regarded as sentient beings?

"We urge the Government to reintroduce the commitment into the Bill."

Richard Bowler, a wildlife photographer, posted a picture of "Rosie", a local fox he had formed an attachment to, claiming that politicians ignored the "pain and emotion" felt by animals.

"It really beggars belief that in this day and age, this shower of a government no longer recognises animals as sentient beings," he wrote.

"None of them could have had a pet dog, greet them when they come home. But it's not just domestic animals that show love and affection. The photograph shows Rosie and how she greets me, every time I visit her."

He added: "Science is showing more and more animal intelligence and emotions and yet our government has yet again ignored it. There can only be one reason to deny animal sentient status, and that is to exploit them."

Animal sentience was incorporated into EU law in 2009 via the Lisbon Treaty, following years of campaigning by animal rights activists.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-bill-latest-animal-sentien...
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Reply #1 - Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:03am
 
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Reply #2 - Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:05am
 

I lost the bet with myself.

"Which moron will try to show how macho he is by saying something about how tasty animals are, or how much fun they are to shoot - Gordon or Baronvonrort?", I asked.

Baron was my choice - I was wrong.
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Reply #3 - Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:14am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:05am:
I lost the bet with myself.

"Which moron will try to show how macho he is by saying something about how tasty animals are, or how much fun they are to shoot - Gordon or Baronvonrort?", I asked.

Baron was my choice - I was wrong.


Now tell me about that vegan pork knuckle you love so much  Smiley
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Reply #4 - Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:16am
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:14am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:05am:
I lost the bet with myself.

"Which moron will try to show how macho he is by saying something about how tasty animals are, or how much fun they are to shoot - Gordon or Baronvonrort?", I asked.

Baron was my choice - I was wrong.


Now tell me about that vegan pork knuckle you love so much  Smiley


Ee-gad, I thought it was a pork fist.

Miam miam.
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Reply #5 - Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:19am
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:14am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:05am:
I lost the bet with myself.

"Which moron will try to show how macho he is by saying something about how tasty animals are, or how much fun they are to shoot - Gordon or Baronvonrort?", I asked.

Baron was my choice - I was wrong.


Now tell me about that vegan pork knuckle you love so much  Smiley


It ain't vegan.

And I ain't so insecure that I need to keep telling people how macho I am.

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Reply #6 - Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:35am
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:14am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:05am:
I lost the bet with myself.

"Which moron will try to show how macho he is by saying something about how tasty animals are, or how much fun they are to shoot - Gordon or Baronvonrort?", I asked.

Baron was my choice - I was wrong.


Now tell me about that vegan pork knuckle you love so much  Smiley


Gordy is absolutely obsessed with posting pictures of flesh .. i think he;'s trying to upset me.

It's like having my pigtails pulled all over again.

But vegan pork knuckles is almost as funny as vegan dairy. Takes an extra digit in the IQ score to get to me, GOody.

But was it good for you?
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Reply #7 - Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:43am
 


What animals are thinking and feeling, and why it should matter | Carl Safina | TEDxMidAtlantic
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Reply #8 - Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:47am
 
gordy is just saying... what the amendment  would mean to those Muslim countries  that do not seem to give a stuff how they slaughter animals...

most people of the world  particularly Muslim eat meat.. it a very important part of their diet  so much so they have a religious man slit throats...with no stun guns...

and I think gordy is making the point....

its not us that make animals suffer???

check with those who demand they will only buy live stock... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

if that is put into Bill who will it affect the most....

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

come on gweg....do you wish muslims to be meat deprived??... all because an animal may well we all know it IS IN PAIN NOW WHEN it is SLAUGHTERED...



from memory you sneer at people protesting about HALAL..

What is halal meat?
Halal is Arabic for permissible. Halal food is that which adheres to Islamic law, as defined in the Koran.
The Islamic form of slaughtering animals or poultry, dhabiha, involves killing through a cut to the jugular vein, carotid artery and windpipe.
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UK slaughterhouses must be completely halal compliant
Animals must be alive and healthy at the time of slaughter and all blood is drained from the carcass. During the process, a Muslim will recite a dedication, know as tasmiya or shahada.
There is debate about elements of halal, such as whether stunning is allowed.
Stunning cannot be used to kill an animal, according to the Halal Food Authority (HFA), a non-profit organisation that monitors adherence to halal principles. But it can be used if the animal survives and is then killed by halal methods, the HFA adds.
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Reply #9 - Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:54am
 
What does eating meat have to do with it being passed into law that animals don't feel pain or have emotion, Cods?

Do you think if we concede that animals are sentient, people would feel bad about eating them?

Do you not think animals are sentient?
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Reply #11 - Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:56am
 
You're excused, AiA.
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J'adoring you!
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Reply #13 - Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:57am
 
Love, aka Brother Love wrote on Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:55am:
Belch!

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Reply #14 - Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:58am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:54am:
What does eating meat have to do with it being passed into law that animals don't feel pain or have emotion, Cods?

Do you think if we concede that animals are sentient, people would feel bad about eating them?

Do you not think animals are sentient?


Were these tough questions Cods?
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