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20 Countries Sign Up To Phase Out Coal Power
Nov 18^th, 2017 at 2:06pm

Powering Past Coal Alliance: 20 countries sign up to phase out coal power by 2030

November 17 2017
ABC News

Twenty countries including Britain, Canada and New Zealand have joined an international alliance to phase out coal from power generation before 2030.

The Powering Past Coal Alliance was unveiled at the COP23 climate talks in Bonn, Germany, which were working out the technical details of the 2015 Paris Agreement.

"I think we can safely say that the response has been overwhelming," Canadian Environment Minister Catherine McKenna said.

"There is so much momentum, there is so much ambition in this room."

The alliance, which isn't legally binding, was launched days after a pro-coal presentation by the Trump administration jarred with many ministers who wanted the talks to focus on cleaner energy sources.
Included countries:

Angola
Austria
Belgium
Britain
Canada
Costa Rica
Denmark
El Salvador
Fiji
Finland
France
Italy
Luxembourg
The Marshall Islands
Mexico
The Netherlands
New Zealand
Niue
Portugal
Switzerland

Australia isn't part of the alliance, which also doesn't include some of the world's biggest coal users China, India, the United States, Germany and Russia. Sad

Coal is responsible for more than 40 per cent of global emissions of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide.

"Around the world we see close to a million deaths a year from air pollution created by burning coal," Ms McKenna said. Sad

"Not only is there a human cost, there is also a huge economic cost totalling billions of dollars a year."

Since signing the Paris Agreement, several countries had already made national plans to phase out coal from their power supply mix.

The Powering Past Coal Alliance also involves sharing technology to reduce emissions, such as carbon capture and storage, and encouraging the rest of the world to cut usage.
We asked what you thought of Australia staying out of the Powering Past Coal Alliance.

The alliance aims to have at least 50 members by the next UN climate summit in 2018 to be held in Poland's Katowice, one of Europe's most polluted cities.

"I hope the room will have to be four times bigger in Katowice, but we are off for a good start," British Environment Minister Claire Perry said.

Meanwhile, the United States told the talks it is committed to reducing greenhouse gas even though the Trump administration still plans to pull out of the Paris Agreement.

In her closing remarks to the conference, the US State Department's Judith Garber said:

We remain open to the possibility of rejoining [the Paris Agreement] at a later date under terms more favourable to the American people."

The US states of Washington and Oregon have already signed up to the Power Past Coal Alliance.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 46380 Gender:	Re: 20 Countries Sign Up To Phase Out Coal Power Reply #1 - Nov 18^th, 2017 at 2:15pm A bit @#$%ing late!
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Reply #2 - Nov 18^th, 2017 at 2:17pm

whiteknight wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 2:06pm:

"Around the world we see close to a million deaths a year from air pollution created by burning coal," Ms McKenna said.

It said on the death certificate "death from air pollution by coal"? Grin

whiteknight wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 2:06pm:

"Not only is there a human cost, there is also a huge economic cost totalling billions of dollars a year."

Only if you include the bogus "social cost of carbon", which ignores the benfits of carbon. You know like alowing people to work smarter, increased longevity, lowered child mortality.

whiteknight wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 2:06pm:

Since signing the Paris Agreement, several countries had already made national plans to phase out coal from their power supply mix.

Which of course are non-binding. Virtue signalling.

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Reply #3 - Nov 18^th, 2017 at 2:22pm

More than 1,000 coal-fired power plants are being planned worldwide, new research has revealed.

. . . .the World Resources Institute (WRI) identified 1,200 coal plants in planning across 59 countries, with about three-quarters in China and India.

. . . India is planning 455 new plants compared to 363 in China, which is seeing a slowdown in its coal investments after a vast building programme in the past decade.

:Guardian

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16397 Gender:	Re: 20 Countries Sign Up To Phase Out Coal Power Reply #4 - Nov 18^th, 2017 at 2:27pm whiteknight wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 2:06pm: Twenty countries including Britain, Does DRAX count now they are using wood pellets that have less heating capability than coal?
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: 20 Countries Sign Up To Phase Out Coal Power Reply #5 - Nov 18^th, 2017 at 2:30pm But this country as usual is unremitting in its efforts to destroy its competitive advantages . . .such as cheap power, which brought much of our former manufacturing to these shores.
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6488 Gender:	Re: 20 Countries Sign Up To Phase Out Coal Power Reply #6 - Nov 18^th, 2017 at 3:07pm I wonder how many people cheering this were the same people that wanted to burn Margaret Thatcher to the stake,,, for closing coal mines. There is no pleasing some people.
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: 20 Countries Sign Up To Phase Out Coal Power Reply #7 - Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:11pm Replacing coal fired power plants with a realistic alternative is an important step in stabilizing global warming. But lets be real; that is easier for somewhere like Fiji than it is for Australia or Germany.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16397 Gender:	Re: 20 Countries Sign Up To Phase Out Coal Power Reply #8 - Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:34pm issuevoter wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:11pm: Replacing coal fired power plants with a realistic alternative is an important step in stabilizing global warming. But lets be real; that is easier for somewhere like Fiji than it is for Australia or Germany. Oh, CO2 global warming? Or just global warming?
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Reply #9 - Nov 19^th, 2017 at 8:38am

And what alternate power source will they/or we (if we had signed up) use that can supply large cities and towns and industry with continuous base load power?

The Japanese are building new technology coal fired power stations after their little Fukushima incident, so don't say nuclear.

And wind and solar cannot supply base load power.

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Reply #10 - Nov 19^th, 2017 at 8:57am

Gnads wrote on Nov 19^th, 2017 at 8:38am:

And what alternate power source will they/or we (if we had signed up) use that can supply large cities and towns and industry with continuous base load power?

The Japanese are building new technology coal fired power stations after their little Fukushima incident, so don't say nuclear.

And wind and solar cannot supply base load power.

If you ignore that little fact then it seems like a brilliant idea and one we should embrace without question.

Luckily not every is total fkking cretin and do ask questions about energy supply.

We could cut massive amounts of CO2 production without standing around in the dark on a daily basis, wondering what the fkk went wrong.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: 20 Countries Sign Up To Phase Out Coal Power Reply #11 - Nov 19^th, 2017 at 9:34am How many large countries with large populations are on that list? How many have nuclear power and are creating dangerous waste that will keep growing and last thousands of years?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72209 Gender:	Re: 20 Countries Sign Up To Phase Out Coal Power Reply #12 - Nov 19^th, 2017 at 9:40am Grendel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2017 at 9:34am: How many large countries with large populations are on that list? italy, france, Mexico, Canada ... they don't count?
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Reply #13 - Nov 19^th, 2017 at 10:14am

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2017 at 8:57am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 19^th, 2017 at 8:38am:

And what alternate power source will they/or we (if we had signed up) use that can supply large cities and towns and industry with continuous base load power?

The Japanese are building new technology coal fired power stations after their little Fukushima incident, so don't say nuclear.

And wind and solar cannot supply base load power.

If you ignore that little fact then it seems like a brilliant idea and one we should embrace without question.

Luckily not every is total fkking cretin and do ask questions about energy supply.

We could cut massive amounts of CO2 production without standing around in the dark on a daily basis, wondering what the fkk went wrong.

People with solar PV and batteries don't seem to have trouble.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16397 Gender:	Re: 20 Countries Sign Up To Phase Out Coal Power Reply #14 - Nov 19^th, 2017 at 10:39am Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 19^th, 2017 at 10:14am: People with solar PV and batteries don't seem to have trouble. Of course they don't. As long as it's not cloudy for four days.
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