polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20
th, 2017 at 1:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 17
th, 2017 at 8:00pm:
Why would I abandon it?
Because its self-evidently such a stupid thing to say. Just to clarify - we're talking about when you tried to justify your false claim that the Congo Free State article attributed 'drought' and 'weather' to the death toll - by mentioning the reference it made to famine. Implying that '[bad] weather' or 'drought' is simply a synonym for 'famine' - which, as I say, is self-evidently ridiculous. Famine merely refers to a shortage of food - which could be caused by a hundred different causes apart from drought or the weather.
Do you understand yet how forcibly removing farmers from their land and enslaving them in rubber harvesting (ie nothing to do with the weather) can cause famine?
freediver wrote on Nov 17
th, 2017 at 8:00pm:
Why is it "apologising" to ask you how many deaths you attribute to it?
Because it is such a blatant and transparent obfuscation tactic. Here we have the Belgians trampling into the Congo, and during a mere ~20 year reign of terror, cause an estimated 2-13 million deaths as a result of the rape and pillage of the country's natural resources. And here you are studiously avoiding the rape and pillage and murder, and desperately wanting to divert the conversation to insignificant deaths caused by arab diseases, as well as invent bullshit about the Europeans being there not to rape and pillage, but actually to treat and cure suffering caused by anyone and anything but the Europeans. But please, keep pretending you don't know what I mean by apologising for rape and pillage.
Gandalf, it was one of your own pieces of evidence that explained that the Europeans were not deliberately killing people and were actually treating and curing diseases among the natives.
Do you still stand by this claim?
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 3
rd, 2017 at 11:03am:
It is simply self-evident that European colonialism was the most disruptive, violent and devastating period for the most number of people, in the smallest period of time, in all of history.
Also, regarding this:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 14
th, 2017 at 9:50am:
freediver wrote on Nov 13
th, 2017 at 8:33pm:
Am I supposed to go back through your last 18 days of posts
You did that anyway FD, and you quoted just about everything except the one quote that mattered. Perhaps it wouldn't go for 18 days if you simply listened to what I said (and what you even requoted) in the first place.
Is this you saying you were wrong? And if so, how are we supposed to figure out which of your posts 'matter', and which ones are lies?
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16
th, 2017 at 2:51pm:
While spinelessly apologising for the genocide in the Congo during the late 19th and early 20th century:
freediver wrote on Nov 12
th, 2017 at 11:38am:
But you are counting the deaths caused by the diseases introduced by Arab traders as being caused by Europeans, right? Even though those Europeans actually went to signficant effort to cure and treat them, saving a lot of lives in the process?
freediver wrote on Nov 13
th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
Yes Gandalf. I understand that as soon as you read "whitey is to blame" your brain went into autopilot. But the number of deaths you quoted and attributed to Europeans included deaths caused by both weather, and diseases introduced by Arabs that the Europeans were actually trying to treat and cure. Your inability to think for yourself on this point is not an argument.
Ah, of course, its all a big misunderstanding...
Are you saying I am incorrect Gandalf? Or that the facts don't 'matter'?