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A feminist's views on Aboriginal sexism
Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:38pm
 
First we had John Smith and PJ saying it is not racist when black and white people have different sets of inalienable rights. Now we have Mothra claiming that sexism also has a different meaning when it comes to Aborigines.

freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:29pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:27pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:25pm:
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In Indigenous reckoning, there is women's business and men's business. Men can't go some places, women can't go some places.

And not all men walk on the rock.


Thanks Mothra. Are you saying it is not sexist for all women to be banned from Uluru, but not all men? Is this your special brand of feminism we are witnessing? The kid that supports blatant sexism if it is wrapped in the woolly fuzz of political correctness?



Of course it's not sexist. I keep telling you that.

Why are you superimposing your own standards on an ancient culture? Want the whole world like you, do you?


I didn't realise there were different standards for what is sexism. I lack your understanding as a feminist on these complicated issues. Can you explain please? Is it not sexist when black people do it?

mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:22pm:
It's seriously a national embarrassment how little most Australians know about Aboriginal ways of doing things.


Ah. Are you referring to John Smith's repeated lies, even after the evidence was presented in black and white, about everyone, including all the Aboriginal men, being banned?


mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:35pm:
Do try to think, FD.

If it were sexist, men would be allowed to enter places sacred to women even though women can't enter places sacred to men.

Tell me FD, have you ever spoken to an Aboriginal person about their beliefs and traditions?

I'm asking because you appear to be wildly ignorant yet determined to put forth an opinion.

Did you consider informing your opinion? You know, to make you seem less ridiculous?

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Re: A feminist's views on Aboriginal sexism
Reply #1 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:39pm
 
Are you being wilfully stupid, FD?

Or are you just too petty to admit you're wrong?
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Reply #2 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:40pm
 
Can I pick C, all of the above?
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Reply #3 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:38pm:
First we had John Smith and PJ saying it is not racist when black and white people have different sets of inalienable rights



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Reply #4 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:42pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:40pm:
Can I pick C, all of the above?



Should i start a poll?

No point. Lisa will just contaminate it with all of her socks.
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Reply #5 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:43pm
 
Are you afraid of being unpopular as well as wrong?
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Reply #6 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:43pm:
Are you afraid of being unpopular as well as wrong?



Fd, your forum is designed by you to be heavily populated with bigots, who you encourage. Of course i'm unpopular.

Now, ask me if i care.
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Reply #7 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:48pm
 
The thing is, FD, i'm more discerning than you.

Should the quality of posters that tend to agree with you agree with me, i would seriously question myself.

Fortunately, those i respect tend to respect me. And those i consider foul are confronted by me.

I am quite happy with this arrangement.
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Reply #8 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:52pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:38pm:
First we had John Smith and PJ saying it is not racist when black and white people have different sets of inalienable rights. Now we have Mothra claiming that sexism also has a different meaning when it comes to Aborigines.

freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:29pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:27pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:25pm:
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In Indigenous reckoning, there is women's business and men's business. Men can't go some places, women can't go some places.

And not all men walk on the rock.


Thanks Mothra. Are you saying it is not sexist for all women to be banned from Uluru, but not all men? Is this your special brand of feminism we are witnessing? The kid that supports blatant sexism if it is wrapped in the woolly fuzz of political correctness?



Of course it's not sexist. I keep telling you that.

Why are you superimposing your own standards on an ancient culture? Want the whole world like you, do you?


I didn't realise there were different standards for what is sexism. I lack your understanding as a feminist on these complicated issues. Can you explain please? Is it not sexist when black people do it?

mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:22pm:
It's seriously a national embarrassment how little most Australians know about Aboriginal ways of doing things.


Ah. Are you referring to John Smith's repeated lies, even after the evidence was presented in black and white, about everyone, including all the Aboriginal men, being banned?


mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:35pm:
Do try to think, FD.

If it were sexist, men would be allowed to enter places sacred to women even though women can't enter places sacred to men.

Tell me FD, have you ever spoken to an Aboriginal person about their beliefs and traditions?

I'm asking because you appear to be wildly ignorant yet determined to put forth an opinion.

Did you consider informing your opinion? You know, to make you seem less ridiculous?



I read their confused BS in the other topic.

And yes....I'm still ROTFLMAO.

Freediver.....just so you know...BOTH these 2 ex Yahoo trolls who don't hold jobs and who rely on your taxes to keep them alive....will spend the ENTIRE night and morning exercising their well developed skills in online trolling and spamming utter rubbish.

It's what they do HERE on this site. All the time.

At first...you will spin out at the incessant self contradicting nonsense and probably have a hearty laugh or two. Example tonight's ridiculous rubbish re sexism.

Eventually you will see its serious and tragic side....these individuals are real people who aren't well. And need A LOT of help.

So if you wish to waste the next 29 hrs with these 2 unwell trolls....by all means go for it.

I wish you luck 👍

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Reply #9 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:53pm
 
Case in point.
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Reply #10 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:55pm
 
why is lisa still here? FD did you lie when you said

Members are not expected to prove their identity in order to have their personal information protected. If it looks like personal information, then it will be treated as such without question. The rule is that you must respect people's privacy. There are no technicalities or loopholes there.


if you don't uphold your own rules, how do you expect others to?
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Re: A feminist's views on Aboriginal sexism
Reply #11 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:57pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:52pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:38pm:
First we had John Smith and PJ saying it is not racist when black and white people have different sets of inalienable rights. Now we have Mothra claiming that sexism also has a different meaning when it comes to Aborigines.

freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:29pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:27pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:25pm:
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In Indigenous reckoning, there is women's business and men's business. Men can't go some places, women can't go some places.

And not all men walk on the rock.


Thanks Mothra. Are you saying it is not sexist for all women to be banned from Uluru, but not all men? Is this your special brand of feminism we are witnessing? The kid that supports blatant sexism if it is wrapped in the woolly fuzz of political correctness?



Of course it's not sexist. I keep telling you that.

Why are you superimposing your own standards on an ancient culture? Want the whole world like you, do you?


I didn't realise there were different standards for what is sexism. I lack your understanding as a feminist on these complicated issues. Can you explain please? Is it not sexist when black people do it?

mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:22pm:
It's seriously a national embarrassment how little most Australians know about Aboriginal ways of doing things.


Ah. Are you referring to John Smith's repeated lies, even after the evidence was presented in black and white, about everyone, including all the Aboriginal men, being banned?


mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:35pm:
Do try to think, FD.

If it were sexist, men would be allowed to enter places sacred to women even though women can't enter places sacred to men.

Tell me FD, have you ever spoken to an Aboriginal person about their beliefs and traditions?

I'm asking because you appear to be wildly ignorant yet determined to put forth an opinion.

Did you consider informing your opinion? You know, to make you seem less ridiculous?



I read their confused BS in the other topic.

And yes....I'm still ROTFLMAO.

Freediver.....just so you know...BOTH these 2 ex Yahoo trolls who don't hold jobs and who rely on your taxes to keep them alive....will spend the ENTIRE night and morning exercising their well developed skills in online trolling and spamming utter rubbish.

It's what they do HERE on this site. All the time.

At first...you will spin out at the incessant self contradicting nonsense and probably have a hearty laugh or two. Example tonight's ridiculous rubbish re sexism.

Eventually you will see its serious and tragic side....these individuals are real people who aren't well. And need A LOT of help.

So if you wish to waste the next 29 hrs with these 2 unwell trolls....by all means go for it.

I wish you luck 👍



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Reply #12 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 1:45pm
 
Mothra, as a self-identified feminist, do you think it is important to throw women's rights under a bus in pursuit of what you see as a higher agenda, like political correctness and winning votes? Is this what it means to be a 'more discerning' feminist?

Is it common for feminists to be unable to identify blatant sexism, for example in banning all women from an iconic natural monument, or do you have to throw in a bit of racism as well to get them all confused? Is it only the rights of Aboriginal women that you want to discard?
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Reply #13 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 1:59pm
 
mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:48pm:
The thing is, FD, i'm more discerning than you.

Should the quality of posters that tend to agree with you agree with me, i would seriously question myself.

Fortunately, those i respect tend to respect me. And those i consider foul are confronted by me.

I am quite happy with this arrangement.



with that attitude  why do you not stick with monks site  where you must be flavour of the month..

they are in love with each and every asylum seekers from ozpol has the red carpet treatment...you are a queen I am sure..........

I am also pretty sure you fit like a glove over there..

why come here????... why do any of you come here??...

I dont get it....I am sure fd has had a read of what is known as monk and aussies version of tolerance... Grin Grin...

so if this place is so bad  and full of such horrible people..

why come here... maybe it makes you feel superior or something when you return to monks place   and pat each other on the back.. for coming up with the biggest insults for ozpol members   and of course fd in particular...

all your admirers are over there ... as the strike proved none of you were missed in fact it was a relief ...

we do in fact talk about other things on ozpol.. other than each other that is.. Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Reply #14 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 2:03pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:55pm:
why is lisa still here? FD did you lie when you said

Members are not expected to prove their identity in order to have their personal information protected. If it looks like personal information, then it will be treated as such without question. The rule is that you must respect people's privacy. There are no technicalities or loopholes there.


if you don't uphold your own rules, how do you expect others to?



what privacy has lisa   outed js???>....

she is the mouth from the south I will give you that...

but surely even she isnt that dumb...

you shouldnt just name people without the evidence ..

after all we can all make those claims cant we?

fd needs to know fact from fiction   or in this case spite.
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Reply #15 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 2:03pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 1:45pm:
Mothra, as a self-identified feminist, do you think it is important to throw women's rights under a bus in pursuit of what you see as a higher agenda, like political correctness and winning votes? Is this what it means to be a 'more discerning' feminist?

Is it common for feminists to be unable to identify blatant sexism, for example in banning all women from an iconic natural monument, or do you have to throw in a bit of racism as well to get them all confused? Is it only the rights of Aboriginal women that you want to discard?



There is no sexism or racism involved in the ban on climbing Uluru.

This has been pointed out to you repeatedly.

If i were you, i would let these threads disappear off the front page. You've been thoroughly humiliated in them.
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Reply #16 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 2:10pm
 
cods wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 1:59pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:48pm:
The thing is, FD, i'm more discerning than you.

Should the quality of posters that tend to agree with you agree with me, i would seriously question myself.

Fortunately, those i respect tend to respect me. And those i consider foul are confronted by me.

I am quite happy with this arrangement.



with that attitude why do you not stick with monks site where you must be flavour of the month..

they are in love with each and every asylum seekers from ozpol has the red carpet treatment...you are a queen I am sure..........

I am also pretty sure you fit like a glove over there..

why come here????... why do any of you come here??...

I dont get it....I am sure fd has had a read of what is known as monk and aussies version of tolerance... Grin Grin...

so if this place is so bad and full of such horrible people..

why come here... maybe it makes you feel superior or something when you return to monks place and pat each other on the back.. for coming up with the biggest insults for ozpol members and of course fd in particular...

all your admirers are over there ... as the strike proved none of you were missed in fact it was a relief ...

we do in fact talk about other things on ozpol.. other than each other that is.. Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley



Petty, childish and petulant. About what i've come to expect form you.
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Reply #17 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 2:37pm
 
mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:53pm:
Case in point.


Stop gibbering and answer the question.

Is it only coloured people who you give a special dispensation to for being rabidly  sexist?

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Reply #18 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 3:10pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 1:45pm:
Mothra, as a self-identified feminist, do you think it is important to throw women's rights under a bus in pursuit of what you see as a higher agenda, like political correctness and winning votes? Is this what it means to be a 'more discerning' feminist?

Is it common for feminists to be unable to identify blatant sexism, for example in banning all women from an iconic natural monument, or do you have to throw in a bit of racism as well to get them all confused? Is it only the rights of Aboriginal women that you want to discard?


Freediver...ANYONE can STATE the claim that they identify as a feminist.

It's not beyond the realm of logical possibility.

If however their words and actions contradict their claim.... then we have a fundamental incongruity which essentially means that they're full of bullshit.
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Reply #19 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 3:18pm
 
cods wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 2:03pm:
what privacy has lisa outed js???>.....




She doesn't need to 'out' anything. FD has all the relevant information, as do the other mods.  She has given out personal information. According to FD, the fact that it is wrong is irrelevant. Although she is still here so he has ignored it AGAIN.

it's great to see FD run away from his own rules. I don't know why he bothers making proclamations if he then runs away from them. FD only holds people to the rules when they don't subscribe to his level of racism or stupidity. He may as well just ban the people he doesn't like and stop pretending.
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Reply #20 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 4:11pm
 
cods wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 2:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:55pm:
why is lisa still here? FD did you lie when you said

Members are not expected to prove their identity in order to have their personal information protected. If it looks like personal information, then it will be treated as such without question. The rule is that you must respect people's privacy. There are no technicalities or loopholes there.


if you don't uphold your own rules, how do you expect others to?



what privacy has lisa outed js???>....

she is the mouth from the south I will give you that...

but surely even she isnt that dumb...

you shouldnt just name people without the evidence ..

after all we can all make those claims cant we?

fd needs to know fact from fiction or in this case spite.


You're absolutely correct Cods.

All I did was copy and paste his own post in response to Freediver's question.

The lying troll's lies were exposed by his own hand.

It's hardly my fault that I picked up the lie he posted.


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Reply #21 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:33pm
 
mothra wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 2:03pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 1:45pm:
Mothra, as a self-identified feminist, do you think it is important to throw women's rights under a bus in pursuit of what you see as a higher agenda, like political correctness and winning votes? Is this what it means to be a 'more discerning' feminist?

Is it common for feminists to be unable to identify blatant sexism, for example in banning all women from an iconic natural monument, or do you have to throw in a bit of racism as well to get them all confused? Is it only the rights of Aboriginal women that you want to discard?



There is no sexism or racism involved in the ban on climbing Uluru.

This has been pointed out to you repeatedly.

If i were you, i would let these threads disappear off the front page. You've been thoroughly humiliated in them.


Would you agree that Aboriginal women tend to be among the most vulnerable in our society? If so, why are you so eager to deny blatant sexism from Aboriginal groups on the grounds that sexism is part of "indigenous reckoning" and their "ancient culture"? And why is considering it sexist to ban all women but not all men my own standard rather than the standard of feminists? Are you saying that equality before the law, regardless of sex, is not a feminist standard? Perhaps you are one of those feminists who consider the 'right' to be inferior more important?
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Reply #22 - Nov 15th, 2017 at 4:58pm
 
Mothra, would it be fair to describe you as a latte feminist - someone who claims to be a feminist when it is convenient, but who has no genuine interest in feminism, and who thoughtlessly discards women's rights at the altar of whatever other equally shallow political ideal pops into their head?
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Reply #23 - Nov 15th, 2017 at 5:00pm
 
Fd why have you ignored your own rules and  failed to act for disclosure of private information?
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Thanks Mothra. I think that gif captures perfectly the type of feminist you are. Is this your way of agreeing with me?

Would it be fair to describe you as a latte feminist - someone who claims to be a feminist when it is convenient, but who has no genuine interest in feminism, and who thoughtlessly discards women's rights at the altar of whatever other equally shallow political ideal pops into their head?
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Reply #26 - Nov 15th, 2017 at 5:06pm
 
Since when have you cared about whether or not it's fair to call someone something, FD?
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Reply #27 - Nov 17th, 2017 at 8:12pm
 
I care enough to ask your opinion Mothra.

Would it be fair to describe you as a latte feminist - someone who claims to be a feminist when it is convenient, but who has no genuine interest in feminism, and who thoughtlessly discards women's rights at the altar of whatever other equally shallow political ideal pops into their head?
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Domestic violence in Alice Springs town camps prompts march to raise awareness

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Speaking up about domestic violence is "not a shame job thing" women from town camps around Alice Springs were told as they marched to raise awareness of the daily dangers they face.

Hundreds of people have marched through the streets of Alice Springs on Tuesday to support Indigenous women trying to make their lives safe from domestic violence.

A diverse crowd of women, men, Indigenous and non-Indigenous Territorians and people from around Australia marched from the Town Council lawns to the Local Court to raise awareness.

Tangentyere Women's Family Safety Group co-ordinator Shirleeen Campbell said the women of the town camps Indigenous populated areas around Alice Springs were fed up with violence in their communities.

"This is where we're starting to make a stand now as town camp women," she said.

"We want to stop the violence in our town camp and protect our elderly women, our young girls, our daughters, our nieces, our aunties.

"We want to stand up for them and teach them about safety and how to protect others."

The marchers included several Labor figures including Senator Malandirri McCarthy, federal MP Warren Snowdon, NT Families Minister Dale Wakefield, and local Member for Namatjira Chansey Paech.

Australia's most prominent domestic violence campaigner, former Australian of the Year Rosie Batty, travelled to Alice Springs to march with the women.

Ms Batty, whose son Luke was killed by his father at a Victorian cricket ground in 2014, said she had visited the Tangentyere Women's Family Safety Group several times.

"We really have a bond and a really shared experience and I think they've welcomed me into their family," she said.

"I think it's that deep connection and pain of loss that we understand.

"They've endured an awful lot for a very long time and this is their demonstration that they're not invisible, they have a voice, they're not just a statistic."

Ms Campbell said she was overwhelmed by the support of the community.

"I'm gobsmacked actually, I'm pleased we've got ministers from all over Australia," she said.

She pleaded with all people to take action to prevent domestic violence.

"If you know someone having that trouble, speak up about it. It's not a shame job thing."
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Mothra do you agree we should stop domestic violence at the start?
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