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Re: 8 yr old girl dies drag-racing
Reply #75 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:06pm
 
cods wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 11:36am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 11:31am:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 11:23am:
ah but gweg, you said 4 x that they were doing it as a cost cutting exercise.


Correct.

I'll say it a 5th, if you like.

Maintaining a WRSB is very expensive.

Every time a vehicle hits the barrier, it costs many hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars to repair.

The posts are designed to collapse on impact, and they must be replaced every time they're hit.

Moreover, the wire rope itself stretches and also needs to be replaced, or at the very minimum retensioned, after a hit from a vehicle.

These components are expensive, and the labour isn't provided for free.

Conversely, when a vehicle hits a concrete barrier, there is usually no need for any maintenance at all (other than maybe pushing a block back into place).

Now, if there's anything else you need to know about this subject (which you quite clearly know next to nothing about), feel free to ask me.

I'm here to help.

Again, I hope this poor little girl's family finds peace soon.



so you can see a drag racing circuit taking on something like that then....sure you can..

how about getting them to change the rules about 8yr olds.....we wont even allow kids to box over here...and that would not have these risks involved in it...

a child has to be 7 before being allowed to sit in the front passenger seat of a family car...


can anyone see how bizarre this all is?..


Yes, it's bizarre.

Let's hope something positive comes from this tragedy.

Sport and Recreation Minister Mick Murray announced this afternoon that junior drag racing at the Perth Motorplex — the only venue in the state where drag racing is held — would be halted until police complete their investigation into the nature of the accident.

"The suspension of this category of motorsport activity allows for a full investigation to be carried out into the nature of the accident," the statement said.

"The State Government will wait until the details of the accident are clear following the investigation before taking any further action."
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Re: 8 yr old girl dies drag-racing
Reply #76 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:06pm
 
As long as the maintenance is fine. I've seen plenty of them improperly tensioned.
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Re: 8 yr old girl dies drag-racing
Reply #77 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:11pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
As long as the maintenance is fine. I've seen plenty of them improperly tensioned.


Yep, that's right - me too.

When properly maintained, they are the safest option.

However, it has to be done right.

Another problem with WRBs on drag strips, is the down time for maintenance.

If a drag car hits the barrier, all further racing would be halted until the repairs are carried out.

So, I can definitely see why WRBs aren't common at drag strips.

Perhaps this tragic accident will motivate someone to find a better solution.

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Reply #78 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm
 
Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution.
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Re: 8 yr old girl dies drag-racing
Reply #79 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:15pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
As long as the maintenance is fine. I've seen plenty of them improperly tensioned.


Oh?

Well guess what?

You've just raised a further worry. Thanks!

IF they're maintained.

Whenever/wherever accidents occur .....poor repair and maintenance issues often appear as key factors in the resultant root cause analysis report.

And remember...we're talking govt "maintained" structures here....ie expect a cheap no frills/no name response.
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Reply #80 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:18pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution.


Oh so now you've read back and you're agreeing with me? Well not really me but the report by Maurice Blackburn -  a prestigious law firm which specializes in such cases.

Yes?

Their conclusions :

What’s the answer?

“There has to be a very careful set of criteria used to determine whether wire barriers, concrete barriers or something else is installed in a particular area.

At the moment wire barriers are the latest craze and the authorities have decided to stick them up everywhere, but a one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work when it comes to road safety” Stanford says.
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Re: 8 yr old girl dies drag-racing
Reply #81 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:21pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution.


Oh so now you've read back and you're agreeing with me? Well not really me but the report by Maurice Blackburn -  a prestigious law firm which specializes in such cases.

Yes?

Their conclusions :

What’s the answer?

“There has to be a very careful set of criteria used to determine whether wire barriers, concrete barriers or something else is installed in a particular area.

At the moment wire barriers are the latest craze and the authorities have decided to stick them up everywhere, but a one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work when it comes to road safety” Stanford says.



I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I'm leaving it to the experts.
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Re: 8 yr old girl dies drag-racing
Reply #82 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:21pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution.


Indeed.

Unfortunately, concrete barriers are the cheapest to maintain and, when hit, will cause minimal delays to the day's events.

So, it's obvious to see why the owners of these drag strips continue to use those dangerous (inferior) barriers.

Bottom line, though, don't send 8 year old kids out onto a drag strip.

I must admit, I never knew that kids here in Perth were allowed to do this.

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Re: 8 yr old girl dies drag-racing
Reply #83 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:40pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution.


Oh so now you've read back and you're agreeing with me? Well not really me but the report by Maurice Blackburn -  a prestigious law firm which specializes in such cases.

Yes?

Their conclusions :

What’s the answer?

“There has to be a very careful set of criteria used to determine whether wire barriers, concrete barriers or something else is installed in a particular area.

At the moment wire barriers are the latest craze and the authorities have decided to stick them up everywhere, but a one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work when it comes to road safety” Stanford says.



I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I'm leaving it to the experts.



What's stopping you from taking that scary step to either agree or disagree?

I'm quoting the freaking experts. You know....the ones who have to be of a certain calibre in order to be allowed to present research of a very high standard for it to be of expert evidentiary value in a court of law.

Did you think I was quoting Dr. Seuss??? Grin
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Re: 8 yr old girl dies drag-racing
Reply #84 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:44pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution.


Oh so now you've read back and you're agreeing with me? Well not really me but the report by Maurice Blackburn -  a prestigious law firm which specializes in such cases.

Yes?

Their conclusions :

What’s the answer?

“There has to be a very careful set of criteria used to determine whether wire barriers, concrete barriers or something else is installed in a particular area.

At the moment wire barriers are the latest craze and the authorities have decided to stick them up everywhere, but a one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work when it comes to road safety” Stanford says.



I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I'm leaving it to the experts.



What's stopping you from taking that scary step to either agree or disagree?

I'm quoting the freaking experts. You know....the ones who have to be of a certain calibre in order to be allowed to present research of a very high standard for it to be of expert evidentiary value in a court of law.

Did you think I was quoting Dr. Seuss??? Grin




Not knowing enough to make a definitive decision.
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Reply #85 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:44pm
 

"Research has proven the wire rope safety barrier as the most forgiving system, with people more likely to survive than other available road barriers."


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Re: 8 yr old girl dies drag-racing
Reply #86 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 1:15pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:44pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution.


Oh so now you've read back and you're agreeing with me? Well not really me but the report by Maurice Blackburn -  a prestigious law firm which specializes in such cases.

Yes?

Their conclusions :

What’s the answer?

“There has to be a very careful set of criteria used to determine whether wire barriers, concrete barriers or something else is installed in a particular area.

At the moment wire barriers are the latest craze and the authorities have decided to stick them up everywhere, but a one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work when it comes to road safety” Stanford says.



I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I'm leaving it to the experts.



What's stopping you from taking that scary step to either agree or disagree?

I'm quoting the freaking experts. You know....the ones who have to be of a certain calibre in order to be allowed to present research of a very high standard for it to be of expert evidentiary value in a court of law.

Did you think I was quoting Dr. Seuss??? Grin




Not knowing enough to make a definitive decision.


Ah. I should have guessed you'd say something like that. 

You much prefer to conduct your own research.

Why?

You know it will be done thoroughly.

And that's fair enough. I totally get where you're coming from too.

Why?

I feel the same way about washing/cleaning/cooking and gardening.

Grin

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Reply #87 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 1:33pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 6:06am:
Why do people enter the danger zones of life?





More kids get killed by cars on the road then in drag racing.

Yet no restrictions on children in cars on the road.
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Reply #88 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 1:35pm
 
hatman92 wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 1:33pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 6:06am:
Why do people enter the danger zones of life?





More kids get killed by cars on the road then in drag racing.



Would you like to guess why?
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Reply #89 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 1:38pm
 
hatman92 wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 1:33pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 6:06am:
Why do people enter the danger zones of life?





More kids get killed by cars on the road then in drag racing.



And how many of them were legally behind the wheel at the time?

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