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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Atheists are spiritual cripples Reply #15 - Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 8:40am Spirituality is a word without tangible meaning. Its a conundrum. First you have to "believe" it before you can give it meaning. But then you have to examine what belief means to you. I don't dish out belief on anything to do with esoteric knowledge of reality. It is a childish concept.
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Re: Atheists are spiritual cripples
Reply #16 - Jan 25^th, 2018 at 12:13pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 8:40am:

Spirituality is a word without tangible meaning. Its a conundrum. First you have to "believe" it before you can give it meaning. But then you have to examine what belief means to you. I don't dish out belief on anything to do with esoteric knowledge of reality. It is a childish concept.

Therefore Existentialism is childish?

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Reply #17 - Jan 25^th, 2018 at 1:08pm

Nom de Plume wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 12:13pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 8:40am:

Spirituality is a word without tangible meaning. Its a conundrum. First you have to "believe" it before you can give it meaning. But then you have to examine what belief means to you. I don't dish out belief on anything to do with esoteric knowledge of reality. It is a childish concept.

Therefore Existentialism is childish?

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Reply #18 - Jan 25^th, 2018 at 1:14pm

John_Taverner wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 7^th, 2017 at 10:56am:

capitosinora wrote on Nov 6^th, 2017 at 10:12am:

spiritual ideals such as Truth, Beauty, Justice, and Love.

All those "ideals" are actually secular and none need the intervention of a deity.

Spiritual doesn't necessary involve deities.

And not everyone wants to be or is in fact is spiritual.

There are strongly religious people all over this planet who are truly vile human beings, are they spiritual or are they just scumbags in need of a good kicking?

To say atheists are not spiritual and implying that religious types are, is just a nonsense and needs to be ignored as total horse sh1t.

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Reply #19 - Jan 25^th, 2018 at 5:24pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 1:08pm:

Nom de Plume wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 12:13pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 8:40am:

Spirituality is a word without tangible meaning. Its a conundrum. First you have to "believe" it before you can give it meaning. But then you have to examine what belief means to you. I don't dish out belief on anything to do with esoteric knowledge of reality. It is a childish concept.

Therefore Existentialism is childish?

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http://www.abc.net.au/radio/sydney/programs/drive/john-paul-sartre/9358938

Here's a visual summary of the 60s.
Existentialism = JP, what ARE you lookin' at?
Feminism = close your eyes and aim your gun, Simone.

But it is a good 10 minute lesson.

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Reply #20 - Jan 25^th, 2018 at 11:06pm

Nom de Plume wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 12:13pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 8:40am:

Spirituality is a word without tangible meaning. Its a conundrum. First you have to "believe" it before you can give it meaning. But then you have to examine what belief means to you. I don't dish out belief on anything to do with esoteric knowledge of reality. It is a childish concept.

Therefore Existentialism is childish?

You are off on a tangent. It is childish to believe that someone experiences a different reality. The average claim from those of the big three religions, is that only they know reality, and that all others are lost in illusion. Its a lie. Many knew age spiritualists claim the same sort of nonsense. There is only one reality and no one can claim secret or esoteric knowledge of it. Those who do are either the gullible, or the charlatans attempting to bamboozle them.

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Reply #21 - Jan 26^th, 2018 at 12:01am

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 1:14pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 7^th, 2017 at 10:56am:

capitosinora wrote on Nov 6^th, 2017 at 10:12am:

spiritual ideals such as Truth, Beauty, Justice, and Love.

All those "ideals" are actually secular and none need the intervention of a deity.

Spiritual doesn't necessary involve deities.

And not everyone wants to be or is in fact is spiritual.

There are strongly religious people all over this planet who are truly vile human beings, are they spiritual or are they just scumbags in need of a good kicking?

To say atheists are not spiritual and implying that religious types are, is just a nonsense and needs to be ignored as total horse sh1t.

I have no idea what spiritual means. As soon as someone mentions "spiritual" I know I'm talking to someone that does not know how to express themselves beyond "awesome, man!"

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Reply #22 - Jan 26^th, 2018 at 6:29am

Nom de Plume wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 10:26am:

John_Taverner wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 7^th, 2017 at 10:56am:

capitosinora wrote on Nov 6^th, 2017 at 10:12am:

spiritual ideals such as Truth, Beauty, Justice, and Love.

All those "ideals" are actually secular and none need the intervention of a deity.

Spiritual doesn't necessary involve deities.

Indeed, these are philosophical concepts.

True. Plato deals with these topics specifically.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: Atheists are spiritual cripples Reply #23 - Jan 26^th, 2018 at 6:30am That said, Plato was spiritual, in a way.
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Re: Atheists are spiritual cripples
Reply #24 - Jan 26^th, 2018 at 12:13pm

Setanta wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 12:01am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 1:14pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 7^th, 2017 at 10:56am:

capitosinora wrote on Nov 6^th, 2017 at 10:12am:

spiritual ideals such as Truth, Beauty, Justice, and Love.

All those "ideals" are actually secular and none need the intervention of a deity.

Spiritual doesn't necessary involve deities.

And not everyone wants to be or is in fact is spiritual.

There are strongly religious people all over this planet who are truly vile human beings, are they spiritual or are they just scumbags in need of a good kicking?

To say atheists are not spiritual and implying that religious types are, is just a nonsense and needs to be ignored as total horse sh1t.

I have no idea what spiritual means. As soon as someone mentions "spiritual" I know I'm talking to someone that does not know how to express themselves beyond "awesome, man!"

The words 'beauty' and 'spirtual' have a lot in common. They describe feelings that uplift us, beyond the mundane.

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Reply #25 - Jan 26^th, 2018 at 11:27pm

Nom de Plume wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 12:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 12:01am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 1:14pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 7^th, 2017 at 10:56am:

capitosinora wrote on Nov 6^th, 2017 at 10:12am:

spiritual ideals such as Truth, Beauty, Justice, and Love.

All those "ideals" are actually secular and none need the intervention of a deity.

Spiritual doesn't necessary involve deities.

And not everyone wants to be or is in fact is spiritual.

There are strongly religious people all over this planet who are truly vile human beings, are they spiritual or are they just scumbags in need of a good kicking?

To say atheists are not spiritual and implying that religious types are, is just a nonsense and needs to be ignored as total horse sh1t.

I have no idea what spiritual means. As soon as someone mentions "spiritual" I know I'm talking to someone that does not know how to express themselves beyond "awesome, man!"

The words 'beauty' and 'spirtual' have a lot in common. They describe feelings that uplift us, beyond the mundane.

I can appreciate beauty and wonder but I still have no idea what "spiritual" means. I've been in discussions and had people say things like "that is so spiritual" and I have no idea of what is in their heads.

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Reply #26 - Jan 27^th, 2018 at 6:29am

Nom de Plume wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 12:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 12:01am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 1:14pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 7^th, 2017 at 10:56am:

capitosinora wrote on Nov 6^th, 2017 at 10:12am:

spiritual ideals such as Truth, Beauty, Justice, and Love.

All those "ideals" are actually secular and none need the intervention of a deity.

Spiritual doesn't necessary involve deities.

And not everyone wants to be or is in fact is spiritual.

There are strongly religious people all over this planet who are truly vile human beings, are they spiritual or are they just scumbags in need of a good kicking?

To say atheists are not spiritual and implying that religious types are, is just a nonsense and needs to be ignored as total horse sh1t.

I have no idea what spiritual means. As soon as someone mentions "spiritual" I know I'm talking to someone that does not know how to express themselves beyond "awesome, man!"

The words 'beauty' and 'spirtual' have a lot in common. They describe feelings that uplift us, beyond the mundane.

When I was a young armourer getting in on the EOD work I felt that as the shock wave from one of our detonations past by.

It is literally what ever blows your hair back I suppose.

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Reply #27 - Jan 27^th, 2018 at 7:18am

Setanta wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 11:27pm:

Nom de Plume wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 12:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 12:01am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 1:14pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 7^th, 2017 at 10:56am:

capitosinora wrote on Nov 6^th, 2017 at 10:12am:

spiritual ideals such as Truth, Beauty, Justice, and Love.

All those "ideals" are actually secular and none need the intervention of a deity.

Spiritual doesn't necessary involve deities.

And not everyone wants to be or is in fact is spiritual.

There are strongly religious people all over this planet who are truly vile human beings, are they spiritual or are they just scumbags in need of a good kicking?

To say atheists are not spiritual and implying that religious types are, is just a nonsense and needs to be ignored as total horse sh1t.

I have no idea what spiritual means. As soon as someone mentions "spiritual" I know I'm talking to someone that does not know how to express themselves beyond "awesome, man!"

The words 'beauty' and 'spirtual' have a lot in common. They describe feelings that uplift us, beyond the mundane.

I can appreciate beauty and wonder bu t I still have no idea what "spiritual" means. I've been in discussions and had people say things like "that is so spiritual" and I have no idea of what is in their heads.

Probably some new age fool in need of meaning.
İt's debatable if modern and post modernhuman human beings can cognise or experience the spiritual. The reduction to the material, which begins a few hundred years ago, has become the norm. İt's now so instantiated that it's debatable if it can ever be experienced by moderns. The reduction to the material is something quite new in the grand scheme of human existence. Even the first scientists that emerged thought that their discoveries were connected to the divine in some way. Eventually, all spiritual views were diminished and we were left with nothing but the material.

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Re: Atheists are spiritual cripples
Reply #28 - Jan 27^th, 2018 at 7:21am

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 1:14pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 7^th, 2017 at 10:56am:

capitosinora wrote on Nov 6^th, 2017 at 10:12am:

spiritual ideals such as Truth, Beauty, Justice, and Love.

All those "ideals" are actually secular and none need the intervention of a deity.

Spiritual doesn't necessary involve deities.

And not everyone wants to be or is in fact is spiritual.

There are strongly religious people all over this planet who are truly vile human beings, are they spiritual or are they just scumbags in need of a good kicking?

To say atheists are not spiritual and implying that religious types are, is just a nonsense and needs to be ignored as total horse sh1t.

They probably are scumbags, but you're conflating morality with spirituality. İs morality and spirituality connected?

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Reply #29 - Jan 27^th, 2018 at 7:29am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 27^th, 2018 at 7:21am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 1:14pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 7^th, 2017 at 10:56am:

capitosinora wrote on Nov 6^th, 2017 at 10:12am:

spiritual ideals such as Truth, Beauty, Justice, and Love.

All those "ideals" are actually secular and none need the intervention of a deity.

Spiritual doesn't necessary involve deities.

And not everyone wants to be or is in fact is spiritual.

There are strongly religious people all over this planet who are truly vile human beings, are they spiritual or are they just scumbags in need of a good kicking?

To say atheists are not spiritual and implying that religious types are, is just a nonsense and needs to be ignored as total horse sh1t.

They probably are scumbags, but you're conflating morality with spirituality. İs morality and spirituality connected?

If you look at the fundamentally religious types, definitely not.

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