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Reply #660 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:29pm
 
mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:27pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:25pm:
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In Indigenous reckoning, there is women's business and men's business. Men can't go some places, women can't go some places.

And not all men walk on the rock.


Thanks Mothra. Are you saying it is not sexist for all women to be banned from Uluru, but not all men? Is this your special brand of feminism we are witnessing? The kid that supports blatant sexism if it is wrapped in the woolly fuzz of political correctness?



Of course it's not sexist. I keep telling you that.

Why are you superimposing your own standards on an ancient culture? Want the whole world like you, do you?


I didn't realise there were different standards for what is sexism. I lack your understanding as a feminist on these complicated issues. Can you explain please? Is it not sexist when black people do it?

mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:22pm:
It's seriously a national embarrassment how little most Australians know about Aboriginal ways of doing things.


Ah. Are you referring to John Smith's repeated lies, even after the evidence was presented in black and white, about everyone, including all the Aboriginal men, being banned?
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Reply #661 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:32pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:18pm:
https://www.clc.org.au/index.php?/land-won-back/info/uluru-kata-tjuta-land-claim/

The land would become Aboriginal land (inalienable freehold)



OK, thanks ... I wans't aware of that.

From the quick read I had that came about because it was natinal park before they claimed native title. Is Bondi Beach national park?


freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:18pm:
From where? Uluru? We have been over this also.


yes and for some reason you persist with your bullshit. Most aboriginal men and all women are banned. For spiritual reasons a select few men will be allowed to climb it. It has nothing to do with their race, it has to do with their religion.


freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:18pm:
And here we go with jellyfish number


Not that i'm counting but i think we're at number 1562,
Why was i banned?


freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:18pm:
Is it dawning on you how idiotic your argument is yet?


the argument that it is racist is idiotic. I'm not sure why you struggle to understand that i don't agree with you, no matter how many times you repeat it. you've shown me nothing to suggest i need to rethink it. Making stupid comparisons to a pool, or asking stupid questions about bondi  isn't going to cut it. Some beaches are restricted, as is Uluru. Your own comparison proves you wrong.

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Re: Racism, sacred cows and political correctness
Reply #662 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:25pm:
Are you referring to John Smith's repeated lies


lies start with the first 5 words 'White people will be banned from Uluru' and you get worse from there.
You won't find any lies on my part.
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Reply #663 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:35pm
 
Do try to think, FD.

If it were sexist, men would be allowed to enter places sacred to women even though women can't enter places sacred to men.

Tell me FD, have you ever spoken to an Aboriginal person about their beliefs and traditions?

I'm asking because you appear to be wildly ignorant yet determined to put forth an opinion.

Did you consider informing your opinion? You know, to make you seem less ridiculous?
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Reply #664 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:42pm
 
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yes and for some reason you persist with your bullshit. Most aboriginal men and all women are banned


No John. This is exactly what I have been saying for 40 pages now. And you have been excruciatingly slow in catching up.

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lies start with the first 5 words 'White people will be banned from Uluru' and you get worse from there.


Not a lie either John. Can I suggest you think about it? I am glad that after 40 pages of offering your opinion on the article you have read the first sentence, even though you don't appear to comprehend it yet. Try reading the rest of the first paragraph and you will see it says exactly what you only just figured out. But you might have to think before responding.

Let's try for jellyfish number 7.

If the government handed control of Bondi Beach to a group of white people, with the expectation that they would ban all women and non-white men in accordance with their religious views, and that control over the beach would be an exclusive birthright of their children, would you insist that it is not racist so long as there was a theoretical possibility of them letting a non-white person in who adopted their religion and culture?

Is it dawning on you how idiotic your argument is yet? Or does it still need some work?
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Reply #665 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:42pm:
No John. This is exactly what I have been saying for 40 pages now.


no, you've been pretending it was racist cause only white people were banned.

Have you been drinking?

freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:42pm:
Can I suggest you think about it


Already did when I first mentioned it 30 pages ago ... when will you start thinking about it?

Here, to help you out a little ... you have two lies in this.

1. no one is banned from Uluru ... they're banned from 'climbing' it. You can still go touch it, lick it, piss on the base if you want.

2. It's nothing to do with white. The Chinese, the blacks, the reds, the curries, the inuits, the eskimos are all banned ... except for a select few men for religious purposes.

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Reply #666 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 1:18am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:06pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:01pm:
PZ547 wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
How many times?  Designed, fabricated, transported, supervised, built primarily by non Australian craftsmen



all the skilled tradesmen came from overseas, for the poo kickers, runners and labourers they used locals.

proof?


Proof?
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Reply #667 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 1:24am
 
FD, you still haven't answered. That's jellyfish number 24.

You're the winner.
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Reply #668 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 1:30am
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:53pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:42pm:
No John. This is exactly what I have been saying for 40 pages now.


no, you've been pretending it was racist cause only white people were banned.

Have you been drinking?

freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 11:42pm:
Can I suggest you think about it


Already did when I first mentioned it 30 pages ago ... when will you start thinking about it?

Here, to help you out a little ... you have two lies in this.

1. no one is banned from Uluru ... they're banned from 'climbing' it. You can still go touch it, lick it, piss on the base if you want.

2. It's nothing to do with white. The Chinese, the blacks, the reds, the curries, the inuits, the eskimos are all banned ... except for a select few men for religious purposes.



You forgot FD's 3rd lie, JS - the local Boongs don't own it.

When he secretly discovered that they did, that was proof of wacism too. 

Stupid or mendacious?

Sometimes a question is just a question.
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Reply #669 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 2:12am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 10:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 10:01pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 9:58pm:
no one stopping you from landing a chopper on Uluru Hammer. You just can't climb it.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Yes I can unless the government changes the contract the aboriginal people signed with the government.



agreement guarantees access to the rock. Not ON the rock..... it doesn't guarantee your ability to climb. The abo's own it, it's up to them what they do with it conditional on continued permission for tourists to visit.

That's not how  I read it. [/quote]

Can you provide us with your copy, Homo?

Cheers.
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Reply #670 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 9:24am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 7:22pm:
Third attempt at a straight answer from John:

If the government handed control of Bondi Beach to a group of white people, with the expectation that they would ban all women and non-white men in accordance with their religious views, and that control over the beach would be an exclusive birthright of their children, would you insist that it is not racist so long as there was a theoretical possibility of them letting a non-white person in who adopted their religion and culture?

Is it dawning on you how idiotic your argument is yet? Or does it still need some work?

Sir Bobby wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 7:11pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 7:03pm:
John if the government handed Bondi Beach to a group of white people, with the expectation that they would ban all women and non-white men in accordance with their religious views, and that ownership would be an exclusive birthright of their children, would you insist that it is not racist so long as there was a theoretical possibility of them letting a non-white person in who adopted their religion and culture?



blah blah blah ....
lots of groups of white people own land around bondi that I am restricted from accessing FD. Why isn't that racism? Cheesy Cheesy



A very weak answer.


It's a feeble excuse for spineless evasion.



Smith - you're either a halfwit or you're being disingenuous.

The only land you can't go on near Bondi Beach is private land.
If you had some money you could buy land there and live on it.

This is not the case at Ayers Rock.

I am an Australian citizen and as such I should have a right to go to Ayers Rock
& climb it if I want.


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Reply #671 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:46pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 9:24am:
The only land you can't go on near Bondi Beach is private land.


why are you so determined to prove your stupidity with each and every post?

Uluru is private land. It belongs to the local tribe. I've put up the link and comment for you twice already but you're to stupid to understand anything in front off you without it being explained as if you were a toddler.
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Reply #672 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:59pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:46pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 9:24am:
The only land you can't go on near Bondi Beach is private land.


why are you so determined to prove your stupidity with each and every post?

Uluru is private land. It belongs to the local tribe. I've put up the link and comment for you twice already but you're to stupid to understand anything in front off you without it being explained as if you were a toddler.


If its private land then why does the grubberment build roads on it?

Why do hotels and motels on it pay the grubberment rates?

ITS A DAMN ROCK

THAT IS ALL IT IS, AND LIKE ANY ROCK YOU CAN WALK OVER, UNDER AND AROUND IT ANY TIME YOU LIKE

But I guess that, as abbos have never, ever, ever built anything at all.
They need sumfink to lay claim to.

Egypt has the pyramids
Rome has a plethora of monuments and fascinating architecture.
England and Germany have castles.
Even the extinct Incas have pyramids
India has many huge temples
China, the great wall.
Russia many great castles and monuments

The Australian abbo...........a rock

Yep, its vitally important to preserve this great archeological site.
Its as much as they have done in 40000 years, not much.
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Reply #673 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 1:00pm
 
Valkie wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:59pm:
If its private land then why does the grubberment build roads on it?


ask them

Valkie wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:59pm:
Why do hotels and motels on it pay the grubberment rates?

everyone pays rates.

Valkie wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:59pm:
ITS A DAMN ROCK

so stop crying about it then.
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Reply #674 - Nov 14th, 2017 at 1:54pm
 
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no, you've been pretending it was racist cause only white people were banned
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Still stuck on the first sentence I see. And we are over 40 pages in. How do you get from "All non-aborigines will be, and presumably those aborigines who are from the wrong tribal group" (the second sentence) to "only white people were banned"? Is this the level of idiocy you must endorse to make yourself blind to racism?
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