Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 13^th, 2017 at 9:24pm:



I wonder why FD goes on about Bondi while all the while ignoring all those private beaches owned by the resorts scattered up and down the queensland barrier reef

PZ547 wrote on Nov 13^th, 2017 at 9:15pm:


Not enforceable.

I've already posted/shown you what IS enforceable...the terms of the original agreement.

Was that post too inconvenient for your sensitive little eyes?

[quote author=freediver link=1509750506/0#0 date=1509750506]Racism and government-imposed sacred cows, wrapped in the woolly fuzz of political correctness

http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/racism-government-imposed-sacred-cows-wrapped-...

White people will be banned from Uluru. All non-aborigines will be, and presumably those aborigines who are from the wrong tribal group. Clearly, this is racist. Chances are, women won’t be allowed up there either, even if they have the correct skin colour. Even more concerning is that this is justified on spiritual grounds. One group’s spiritual views are so much more important than everyone else’s that the government has enshrined them in legislation so that our most iconic natural monument can be fenced off.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/ozpolitic-fence.jpg

This is not about the legitimacy of the spiritual views of aboriginal people. This is about imposing those views on people who do not share them, and doing so on racist lines. You don’t need to impose your religious beliefs on other people as a test of whether they are sufficiently respected, unless you are a terrorist, or apparently, aboriginal. It is no less absurd than putting a fence around Bondi beach and only allowing white Christians to go for a swim. The rest of you can come and visit and stay in our hotels, but you can only take photos from a respectful distance. We get really upset if you make a big deal about it, so please politely acknowledge our spiritual rights.

Our beaches, our national parks, our oceans, our rivers, these are all public property to be shared for the enjoyment of all. They are important to all Australians, not just a select few. They have spiritual significance to all sorts of people. They are not to be sold off to the loudest group of racist, religious zealots, no matter how sympathetic or politically correct their zealotry is. Imagine, for a moment, that a new cult sprung up and declared that climbing Uluru was a religious imperative. Whose religious views would the government decide are more important? Why would it take a cult with white people in it to bring home the absurdity of the situation? If you don't think white people also tend to invent sacred cows and impose them on other races, ask yourself what is inherently wrong with Japanese people eating whale meat from wild caught, sustainably harvested minke whales that are present in huge numbers in international waters.

The broader issue here is what it means to be Australian and what our values are. Are we moving to a post racial society where race truly does not matter and we are all truly equal? Or are we moving towards a re-racialised society that forever enshrines racism, superstition and sexism in petty, discriminatory laws? Should Aborigines be treated as equals? If they are our equals, can their spiritual views be more important than ours? Are their spiritual views more important than our right to climb Uluru? Is the historical suffering of their ancestors of more import than the suffering endured by everyone else’s?

You cannot have this both ways. Either aborigines are fully fledged citizens with equal rights, equal expectations and equal responsibilities, or they are stone age voodoo mongers incapable of surviving emotionally in modern society and who must be fenced off in some kind of special zoo for the protection of their delicate, ancient spiritual beliefs. Unfortunately the recent trend appears to be away from equality, and Uluru is just the tip of the iceberg. Our state and federal governments are enshrining in our legislation the soft bigotry of low expectations and the learned helplessness that has institutionalised intergenerational poverty and suffering. Real suffering that a fence around Uluru will do nothing to fix.

Unlike everyone else, Aborigines are not expected to carry their spiritual views into the 21st century as personal baggage to be celebrated with those who share it, but not thrust upon others at every opportunity. Instead we must reverse the hard-won separation of church and state and officially recognise the spiritual views of Aborigines at every opportunity. This started with lip service, and has taken us to a fence around Uluru. Where will it take us if we continue to feed this monster?

Aborigines are not even expected to manage their own finances. We have constantly evolving boards to hand out government money on their behalf. These boards are not elected. They inevitably turn corrupt, and are then reinvented and replaced with ‘trusted’ aboriginal leaders that everyone likes and that our politicians approve of. We have remote communities that are economically unviable, except for government handouts. Many of these communities are miniature communist states where the Aborigines who supposedly own the land cannot be trusted to purchase and manage their own piece of it. Inevitably, they live in squalor. The development of the land, recognised as necessary by those within and without, proceeds at a pace and efficiency you would expect from a communist regime (the Russian communist juggernaut that for many decades threatened US hegemony was created by literally forcing people out of rural communities and into the factories).

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13^th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

No, post the part about how after a period of time the board would have the right to review tbe issue of people climbing the rock.

Post that part, please. In full.

John Smith wrote on Nov 13^th, 2017 at 9:37pm:

Nobody owns land that is covered by the tide. It's crown land. people can control access to a beach but nobody can stop you pulling a boat up on it. You can't go on certain beaches if it's aboriginal land though.