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Reply #345 - Nov 10^th, 2017 at 3:54pm

freediver wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Are you trying to tell people why they visit Gandalf? Do you think the people who climb it might go there to climb it?

Sure FD. Just like the people who go to climb the trees at the Sydney Botanical Gardens go there to climb trees. Or the people who go to the Opera House to Climb the Sails, go there to climb the sails. Banning them from climbing must be banning them from "visiting" these sites right? If its not, then explain your logical inconsistency.

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Reply #346 - Nov 10^th, 2017 at 4:20pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:

Turnbull government decides against banning tourists from climbing on Uluru
"Either we can't spell, or they can't read," traditional owner Vince Forrester says of the thousands of tourists who scale Uluru each year, against the wishes of local Aboriginal people.
"There are all these [signs in] different languages asking 'please don't climb'. I feel disappointed that they really haven't got it yet."
Despite the spiritual significance of Uluru, Environment Minister Greg Hunt has no plans to stop people climbing the rock.
The Turnbull government last week announced the privately run Big Uluru Trek would begin in August - a 100-kilometre five-day desert hike from Amata to Uluru that would provide a new tourist drawcard and boost investment. It raised the prospect that the controversial rock climb might finally be banned.
The climb traces the route taken by the ancestral Mala men on their arrival at Uluru, and traditional owners consider that tourists who take the walk are disrespecting this spiritual significance.
A 2010 plan to manage the Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park stated authorities would "work towards closure of the climb" for safety, cultural and environmental reasons.
However a spokesman for Environment Minister Greg Hunt on Tuesday said there were "no plans to change current arrangements".
In 2009 when in opposition, Mr Hunt reportedly said closing the rock to walkers "was on Labor's agenda", adding it would "end one of the great tourism experiences in Australia".
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"Big Brother is coming to Uluru to slam the gate closed on an Australian tourism icon, the climb," he said.
His spokesman this week would not say if Mr Hunt still held that view.
The plan of management states the climb should permanently close when any of three conditions are met: fewer than 20 per cent of Uluru visitors make the ascent, enough new "visitor experiences" are established to replace it, or the climb is not the principal reason people choose to come to Uluru.
Climb numbers have fallen steadily over the past few decades. Between 2011 and 2015 the proportion of Uluru visitors scaling the rock "fluctuated" around 20 per cent, according to federal agency Parks Australia - equating to about 55,000 people last year. It did not provide year-on-year figures.
Parks Australia's own research has shown that 98 per cent of visitors would still visit Uluru if the climb closed. It said on Tuesday that more visitor activities would be announced.
People are becoming more aware - now we have to get the politicians and the bureaucrats to understand
Some 36 people have died climbing Uluru – the latest in 2010 – and more have been injured, causing grief to local Indigenous people who believe they have a duty of care to those visiting their country.
Mr Forrester said traditional owners were "very disappointed" the government would continue to allow tourists to keep clambering over Uluru, which he described as "the soul of the country".
"Uluru is sacred. People are becoming more aware - now we have to get the politicians and the bureaucrats to understand," he said, adding "when there's an accident, it turns my guts."
Big Run Events managing director Greg Donovan, who proposed the Big Uluru Trek, backed the push for the climb to eventually cease.
"It's seen to be very intrusive to spirits and stories and special places for people to climb on the rock," he said.
"By taking that away, I don't think it would impact very greatly on tourism at all."

I told you the government has the final say Karnal. Grin

No, you didn't. You told us the Boongs were breaching a contract. Prior to that, you said there was no contract. No lease, no ownership, nothing. This is your third position in a few days, and why?

Because you post without doing any reading. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. When you finally cave and post a quote, it nearly always proves you wrong.

This is why Boongs can't breach a government agreement. The government can just step in and enforce it. Clive Palmer can, Rupert Murdoch can, a handful of people can slip out of contractual agreements with the government without much fuss, but the Boongs?

Never ever.

People are cranky about this for very good reason - the Bongs never get a break. Your post above proves it. The racism of people like FD and your good self drives it. They run the current government.

There is more to Australia than a few title deeds, "geological formations" and tourist attractions. The land exists in an ancient set of natural - and spiritual - laws. White law just is a thin layer of dust.

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Reply #347 - Nov 10^th, 2017 at 4:23pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 4:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:

Turnbull government decides against banning tourists from climbing on Uluru
"Either we can't spell, or they can't read," traditional owner Vince Forrester says of the thousands of tourists who scale Uluru each year, against the wishes of local Aboriginal people.
"There are all these [signs in] different languages asking 'please don't climb'. I feel disappointed that they really haven't got it yet."
Despite the spiritual significance of Uluru, Environment Minister Greg Hunt has no plans to stop people climbing the rock.
The Turnbull government last week announced the privately run Big Uluru Trek would begin in August - a 100-kilometre five-day desert hike from Amata to Uluru that would provide a new tourist drawcard and boost investment. It raised the prospect that the controversial rock climb might finally be banned.
The climb traces the route taken by the ancestral Mala men on their arrival at Uluru, and traditional owners consider that tourists who take the walk are disrespecting this spiritual significance.
A 2010 plan to manage the Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park stated authorities would "work towards closure of the climb" for safety, cultural and environmental reasons.
However a spokesman for Environment Minister Greg Hunt on Tuesday said there were "no plans to change current arrangements".
In 2009 when in opposition, Mr Hunt reportedly said closing the rock to walkers "was on Labor's agenda", adding it would "end one of the great tourism experiences in Australia".
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"Big Brother is coming to Uluru to slam the gate closed on an Australian tourism icon, the climb," he said.
His spokesman this week would not say if Mr Hunt still held that view.
The plan of management states the climb should permanently close when any of three conditions are met: fewer than 20 per cent of Uluru visitors make the ascent, enough new "visitor experiences" are established to replace it, or the climb is not the principal reason people choose to come to Uluru.
Climb numbers have fallen steadily over the past few decades. Between 2011 and 2015 the proportion of Uluru visitors scaling the rock "fluctuated" around 20 per cent, according to federal agency Parks Australia - equating to about 55,000 people last year. It did not provide year-on-year figures.
Parks Australia's own research has shown that 98 per cent of visitors would still visit Uluru if the climb closed. It said on Tuesday that more visitor activities would be announced.
People are becoming more aware - now we have to get the politicians and the bureaucrats to understand
Some 36 people have died climbing Uluru – the latest in 2010 – and more have been injured, causing grief to local Indigenous people who believe they have a duty of care to those visiting their country.
Mr Forrester said traditional owners were "very disappointed" the government would continue to allow tourists to keep clambering over Uluru, which he described as "the soul of the country".
"Uluru is sacred. People are becoming more aware - now we have to get the politicians and the bureaucrats to understand," he said, adding "when there's an accident, it turns my guts."
Big Run Events managing director Greg Donovan, who proposed the Big Uluru Trek, backed the push for the climb to eventually cease.
"It's seen to be very intrusive to spirits and stories and special places for people to climb on the rock," he said.
"By taking that away, I don't think it would impact very greatly on tourism at all."

I told you the government has the final say Karnal. Grin

No, you didn't. You told us the Boongs were breaching a contract. Prior to that, you said there was no contract. No lease, no ownership, nothing. This is your third position in a few days, and why?

Because you post without doing any reading. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. When you finally cave and post a quote, it nearly always proves your point wrong.

This is why Boongs can't just breach a government agreement. The government can just step in and enforce it. Clive Palmer can, Rupert Murdoch can, a handful of people can slip out of contractual agreements with the government without much fuss, but the Boongs?

Never ever.

People are cranky about this for very good reason - the Bongs never get a break. Your post above proves it. The racism of people like FD and your good self drives it. They run the current government.

So you don't agree that the government has final say who climbs the rock because of a legal agreement?

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Re: Racism, sacred cows and political correctness
Reply #348 - Nov 10^th, 2017 at 4:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 3:54pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Are you trying to tell people why they visit Gandalf? Do you think the people who climb it might go there to climb it?

Sure FD. Just like the people who go to climb the trees at the Sydney Botanical Gardens go there to climb trees. Or the people who go to the Opera House to Climb the Sails, go there to climb the sails. Banning them from climbing must be banning them from "visiting" these sites right? If its not, then explain your logical inconsistency.

Yes, but as FD argues, these people are straight out of the trees. Remember, they've turned the place into a zoo.

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Reply #349 - Nov 10^th, 2017 at 4:34pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 4:23pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 4:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:

Turnbull government decides against banning tourists from climbing on Uluru
"Either we can't spell, or they can't read," traditional owner Vince Forrester says of the thousands of tourists who scale Uluru each year, against the wishes of local Aboriginal people.
"There are all these [signs in] different languages asking 'please don't climb'. I feel disappointed that they really haven't got it yet."
Despite the spiritual significance of Uluru, Environment Minister Greg Hunt has no plans to stop people climbing the rock.
The Turnbull government last week announced the privately run Big Uluru Trek would begin in August - a 100-kilometre five-day desert hike from Amata to Uluru that would provide a new tourist drawcard and boost investment. It raised the prospect that the controversial rock climb might finally be banned.
The climb traces the route taken by the ancestral Mala men on their arrival at Uluru, and traditional owners consider that tourists who take the walk are disrespecting this spiritual significance.
A 2010 plan to manage the Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park stated authorities would "work towards closure of the climb" for safety, cultural and environmental reasons.
However a spokesman for Environment Minister Greg Hunt on Tuesday said there were "no plans to change current arrangements".
In 2009 when in opposition, Mr Hunt reportedly said closing the rock to walkers "was on Labor's agenda", adding it would "end one of the great tourism experiences in Australia".
By submitting your email you are agreeing to Fairfax Media's terms and conditions and privacy policy.
"Big Brother is coming to Uluru to slam the gate closed on an Australian tourism icon, the climb," he said.
His spokesman this week would not say if Mr Hunt still held that view.
The plan of management states the climb should permanently close when any of three conditions are met: fewer than 20 per cent of Uluru visitors make the ascent, enough new "visitor experiences" are established to replace it, or the climb is not the principal reason people choose to come to Uluru.
Climb numbers have fallen steadily over the past few decades. Between 2011 and 2015 the proportion of Uluru visitors scaling the rock "fluctuated" around 20 per cent, according to federal agency Parks Australia - equating to about 55,000 people last year. It did not provide year-on-year figures.
Parks Australia's own research has shown that 98 per cent of visitors would still visit Uluru if the climb closed. It said on Tuesday that more visitor activities would be announced.
People are becoming more aware - now we have to get the politicians and the bureaucrats to understand
Some 36 people have died climbing Uluru – the latest in 2010 – and more have been injured, causing grief to local Indigenous people who believe they have a duty of care to those visiting their country.
Mr Forrester said traditional owners were "very disappointed" the government would continue to allow tourists to keep clambering over Uluru, which he described as "the soul of the country".
"Uluru is sacred. People are becoming more aware - now we have to get the politicians and the bureaucrats to understand," he said, adding "when there's an accident, it turns my guts."
Big Run Events managing director Greg Donovan, who proposed the Big Uluru Trek, backed the push for the climb to eventually cease.
"It's seen to be very intrusive to spirits and stories and special places for people to climb on the rock," he said.
"By taking that away, I don't think it would impact very greatly on tourism at all."

I told you the government has the final say Karnal. Grin

No, you didn't. You told us the Boongs were breaching a contract. Prior to that, you said there was no contract. No lease, no ownership, nothing. This is your third position in a few days, and why?

Because you post without doing any reading. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. When you finally cave and post a quote, it nearly always proves your point wrong.

This is why Boongs can't just breach a government agreement. The government can just step in and enforce it. Clive Palmer can, Rupert Murdoch can, a handful of people can slip out of contractual agreements with the government without much fuss, but the Boongs?

Never ever.

People are cranky about this for very good reason - the Bongs never get a break. Your post above proves it. The racism of people like FD and your good self drives it. They run the current government.

So you don't agree that the government has final say who climbs the rock because of a legal agreement?

I do. I believe that's what I just said.

The "agreement", which you posted, was for the board to review the decision to allow climbing once the numbers dropped off. The Boongs have been monitoring this, and come up with a figure of 16%.

The government, under pressure from the racists, has overturned the board's decision.

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Reply #350 - Nov 10^th, 2017 at 4:36pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9^th, 2017 at 2:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 9^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 9^th, 2017 at 2:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 9^th, 2017 at 2:48pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 9^th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 9^th, 2017 at 2:41pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 9^th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 9^th, 2017 at 2:34pm:

The abos will have to fulfil the contract they signed with Hawke allowing people to walk on the rock for 50 years. It's dishonest and illegal to back out of contracts you know. Grin

I asked you about that. You haven't shown details or provided a source.

Any reason why, dear?

type in wikipedia Uluru babe Grin

On 11 December 1983, the Prime Minister of Australia, Bob Hawke, promised to hand back the land title to the Aṉangu traditional custodians and caretakers and agreed to the community's 10-point plan which included forbidding the climbing of Uluru. The government, however, set access to climb Uluru and a 99-year lease, instead of the previously agreed upon 50-year lease, as conditions before the title was officially given back to the Aṉangu on 26 October 1985.[21

No, dear, I expect a proper link and quote that directly supports your claim. I'm not going to Google your own sources and quote them back to you to prove you wrong again. I'm bored with this game.

I'd like to play a new one. You show me where you're right, and I'll say ah.

Don't handle being wrong, do you?

Can't provide evidence can you?

Here's a hint: your quote contains half a footnote. Why don't you go back to your source, read the referenced source, and get back to me with your evidence?

I'll be here.

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Climbing

Climbers and a warning sign
The local Aṉangu do not climb Uluru because of its great spiritual significance. They request that visitors do not climb the rock, partly due to the path crossing a sacred traditional Dreamtime track, and also due to a sense of responsibility for the safety of visitors. The visitors guide says "the climb is not prohibited, but we prefer that, as a guest on Aṉangu land, you will choose to respect our law and culture by not climbing."[5]

According to a 2010 publication, just over one-third of all visitors to the park climb Uluru; a high percentage of these were children.[26] A chain handhold added in 1964 and extended in 1976 makes the hour-long climb easier, but it is still a steep, 800 m (0.5 mi) hike to the top, where it can be quite windy. It is recommended individuals drink plenty of water while climbing, and those who are unfit, suffer from vertigo or medical conditions restricting exercise, do not attempt it. Climbing Uluru is generally closed to the public when high winds are present at the top. There have been at least 35 deaths relating to recreational climbing since such incidents began being recorded.[5] About one-sixth of visitors made the climb between 2011 to 2015.[27]

On 11 December 1983, the Prime Minister of Australia, Bob Hawke, promised to hand back the land title to the Aṉangu traditional custodians and caretakers and agreed to the community's 10-point plan which included forbidding the climbing of Uluru. The government, however, set access to climb Uluru and a 99-year lease, instead of the previously agreed upon 50-year lease, as conditions before the title was officially given back to the Aṉangu on 26 October 1985.[21][28]

The Aboriginal traditional owners of Uluṟu–Kata Tjuṯa National Park (Nguraritja) and the Federal Government's National Parks share decision-making on the management of Uluṟu–Kata Tjuṯa National Park. Under their joint Uluṟu–Kata Tjuṯa National Park Management Plan 2010–20, issued by the Director of National Parks under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999, clause 6.3.3 provides that the Director and the Uluṟu–Kata Tjuṯa Board of Management work towards closure of the climb and, additionally, provides that it will close upon any of three conditions being met: there are "adequate new visitor experiences", less than 20 per cent of visitors make the climb or the "critical factors" in decisions to visit are "cultural and natural experiences".[29] Despite cogent evidence the second condition was met by July 2013, the climb remained open.[30]

Several controversial incidents on top of Uluru in 2010, including a striptease, golfing and nudity, led to renewed calls for banning the climb.[31][32]

On 1 November 2017, the Uluṟu–Kata Tjuṯa National Park board voted unanimously to prohibit climbing Uluru, with the ban to take effect in October 2019.[33]

So, no evidence?

"The government, however, set access to climb Uluru and a 99-year lease ... "

A simple yes or no.

So that quote from an internet site is not valid because it was placed by Wikipedia?

A simple yes or no will suffice. Roll Eyes

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Reply #351 - Nov 10^th, 2017 at 4:49pm

Jasin wrote on Nov 9^th, 2017 at 3:51pm:

Don't you love the minorities who use 'Traditional Rights', but with non-traditional methods.
Gotta love those Anti-every other American 'Inuit' tribes of Alaska who get to hunt animals under Traditional Rights with massive harpoon guns. Roll Eyes

Yes just like our Aboriginals tradionally hunt with guns, 4wds, aluminium outboard powered boats, alloys spears and nylon fishing nets.

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Reply #352 - Nov 10^th, 2017 at 4:59pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 9^th, 2017 at 5:05pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 9^th, 2017 at 3:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 9^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 9^th, 2017 at 2:51pm:

This is typical of aboriginal sacred sites - the aboriginal men themselves visit them, but don't want women or anyone else there.

Does that only apply to aboriginal religions FD? Cheesy

It is only applied via legislation to aboriginal religions. No other religion or racial group gets to kick people of the wrong colour or sex off a natural monument. Hence the example of white Christians taking Bondi Beach for themselves. It is a perfect analogy - a popular natural icon, visited in huge numbers by locals and tourists, handed over to a racial group so they can impose a shared religious belief to exclude others from a public place. In one case there would be howls of racism and inequality. In the other case the apologists turn into a drooling mess sprouting all sorts of idiocy and lies about ownership, about everyone being kicked out and whatever other feeble excuses pop into their head.

It is racism, sexism and government imposed sacred cows, wrapped in the woolly fuzz of political correctness.

Have the white Christians proved pre-1788 native title over Bondi Beach and entered into an agreement with the government to share it with the Boongs as a national park?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

You're right about one thing though. We Boong apologists want their culture and spiritual practices preserved. If they have to be enshrined in law - as they are under WIK legislation - all the better.

White Christians took Boong land, forced them onto missions, stopped them speaking Boong and praying to Boong gods, and tried to erase the oldest living lifestyle on earth. They pretty much did erase it - cap-doffing to a bit of boomerang throwing and bush tucker notwithstanding.

It's different in the dead heart. There, trucks roll into town full of Red Ochre men, who literally snatch the boys to take them to the bush and initiate them. There, payback through spearing is legal. Boys are scarred, circumcised and taught Aboriginal law to turn them into men.

They don't do this to white Christians, FD. Is this racist?

And would it have been any different under the French, Spanish or Japanese?

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Reply #353 - Nov 10^th, 2017 at 5:16pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 4:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:

Turnbull government decides against banning tourists from climbing on Uluru
"Either we can't spell, or they can't read," traditional owner Vince Forrester says of the thousands of tourists who scale Uluru each year, against the wishes of local Aboriginal people.
"There are all these [signs in] different languages asking 'please don't climb'. I feel disappointed that they really haven't got it yet."
Despite the spiritual significance of Uluru, Environment Minister Greg Hunt has no plans to stop people climbing the rock.
The Turnbull government last week announced the privately run Big Uluru Trek would begin in August - a 100-kilometre five-day desert hike from Amata to Uluru that would provide a new tourist drawcard and boost investment. It raised the prospect that the controversial rock climb might finally be banned.
The climb traces the route taken by the ancestral Mala men on their arrival at Uluru, and traditional owners consider that tourists who take the walk are disrespecting this spiritual significance.
A 2010 plan to manage the Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park stated authorities would "work towards closure of the climb" for safety, cultural and environmental reasons.
However a spokesman for Environment Minister Greg Hunt on Tuesday said there were "no plans to change current arrangements".
In 2009 when in opposition, Mr Hunt reportedly said closing the rock to walkers "was on Labor's agenda", adding it would "end one of the great tourism experiences in Australia".
By submitting your email you are agreeing to Fairfax Media's terms and conditions and privacy policy.
"Big Brother is coming to Uluru to slam the gate closed on an Australian tourism icon, the climb," he said.
His spokesman this week would not say if Mr Hunt still held that view.
The plan of management states the climb should permanently close when any of three conditions are met: fewer than 20 per cent of Uluru visitors make the ascent, enough new "visitor experiences" are established to replace it, or the climb is not the principal reason people choose to come to Uluru.
Climb numbers have fallen steadily over the past few decades. Between 2011 and 2015 the proportion of Uluru visitors scaling the rock "fluctuated" around 20 per cent, according to federal agency Parks Australia - equating to about 55,000 people last year. It did not provide year-on-year figures.
Parks Australia's own research has shown that 98 per cent of visitors would still visit Uluru if the climb closed. It said on Tuesday that more visitor activities would be announced.
People are becoming more aware - now we have to get the politicians and the bureaucrats to understand
Some 36 people have died climbing Uluru – the latest in 2010 – and more have been injured, causing grief to local Indigenous people who believe they have a duty of care to those visiting their country.
Mr Forrester said traditional owners were "very disappointed" the government would continue to allow tourists to keep clambering over Uluru, which he described as "the soul of the country".
"Uluru is sacred. People are becoming more aware - now we have to get the politicians and the bureaucrats to understand," he said, adding "when there's an accident, it turns my guts."
Big Run Events managing director Greg Donovan, who proposed the Big Uluru Trek, backed the push for the climb to eventually cease.
"It's seen to be very intrusive to spirits and stories and special places for people to climb on the rock," he said.
"By taking that away, I don't think it would impact very greatly on tourism at all."

I told you the government has the final say Karnal. Grin

No, you didn't. You told us the Boongs were breaching a contract. Prior to that, you said there was no contract. No lease, no ownership, nothing. This is your third position in a few days, and why?

Because you post without doing any reading. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. When you finally cave and post a quote, it nearly always proves you wrong.

This is why Boongs can't breach a government agreement. The government can just step in and enforce it. Clive Palmer can, Rupert Murdoch can, a handful of people can slip out of contractual agreements with the government without much fuss, but the Boongs?

Never ever.

People are cranky about this for very good reason - the Bongs never get a break. Your post above proves it. The racism of people like FD and your good self drives it. They run the current government.

There is more to Australia than a few title deeds, "geological formations" and tourist attractions. The land exists in an ancient set of natural - and spiritual - laws. White law just is a thin layer of dust.

This Ayres Rock 24 page saga is not just BS on FDs part but on your part as well.

"The boongs never get a break" ... that's just crap.

You want an issue I believe you should support our Aboriginal traditional owners on?

Well back them to stop the insidious Gas Fracking of their country in WA and the Territory.... and anywhere else they don't want it to happen.

There are hundreds of sites as significant as Uluru that are under threat of more than whitey climbing a fargin rock.

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Reply #354 - Nov 10^th, 2017 at 5:17pm

Gnads wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 4:36pm:

So that quote from an internet site is not valid because it was placed by Wikipedia?

wiki can be edited by ANYONE. You can go there now and change the wording. As such it is not always accurate.

Gnads wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 4:59pm:

And would it have been any different under the French, Spanish or Japanese?

how is that even relevant?

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Reply #355 - Nov 10^th, 2017 at 5:19pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 5:17pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 4:36pm:

So that quote from an internet site is not valid because it was placed by Wikipedia?

wiki can be edited by ANYONE. You can go there now and change the wording. As such it is not always accurate.

Gnads wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 4:59pm:

And would it have been any different under the French, Spanish or Japanese?

how is that even relevant?

Answer the question?

I'd say exactly the same if not worse would have occurred.

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Reply #356 - Nov 10^th, 2017 at 5:42pm

Gnads wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 5:16pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 4:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:

Turnbull government decides against banning tourists from climbing on Uluru
"Either we can't spell, or they can't read," traditional owner Vince Forrester slans to stop people climbing the rock.
The Turnbull government last week announced the privately run Big Uluru Trek would begin in August - a 100-kilometre five-day desert hike from Amata to Uluru that would provide a new tourist drawcard and boost investment. It raised the prospect that the controversial rock climb might finally be banned.
The climb traces the route taken by the ancestral Mala men on their arrival at Uluru, and traditional owners consider that tourists who take the walk are disrespecting this spiritual significance.
A 2010 plan to manage the Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park stated authorities would "work towards closure of the climb" for safety, cultural and environmental reasons.
However a spokesman for Environment Minister Greg Hunt on Tuesday said there were "no plans to change current arrangements".
In 2009 when in opposition, Mr Hunt reportedly said closing the rock to walkers "was on Labor's agenda", adding it would "end one of the great tourism experiences in Australia".
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"Big Brother is coming to Uluru to slam the gate closed on an Australian tourism icon, the climb," he said.
His spokesman this week would not say if Mr Hunt still held that view.
The plan of management states the climb should permanently close when any of three conditions are met: fewer than 20 per cent of Uluru visitors make the ascent, enough new "visitor experiences" are established to replace it, or the climb is not the principal reason people choose to come to Uluru.
Climb numbers have fallen steadily over the past few decades. Between 2011 and 2015 the proportion of Uluru visitors scaling the rock "fluctuated" around 20 per cent, according to federal agency Parks Australia - equating to about 55,000 people last year. It did not provide year-on-year figures.
Parks Australia's own research has shown that 98 per cent of visitors would still visit Uluru if the climb closed. It said on Tuesday that more visitor activities would be announced.
People are becoming more aware - now we have to get the politicians and the bureaucrats to understand
Some 36 people have died climbing Uluru – the latest in 2010 – and more have been injured, causing grief to local Indigenous people who believe they have a duty of care to those visiting their country.
Mr Forrester said traditional owners were "very disappointed" the government would continue to allow tourists to keep clambering over Uluru, which he described as "the soul of the country".
"Uluru is sacred. People are becoming more aware - now we have to get the politicians and the bureaucrats to understand," he said, adding "when there's an accident, it turns my guts."
Big Run Events managing director Greg Donovan, who proposed the Big Uluru Trek, backed the push for the climb to eventually cease.
"It's seen to be very intrusive to spirits and stories and special places for people to climb on the rock," he said.
"By taking that away, I don't think it would impact very greatly on tourism at all."

I told you the government has the final say Karnal. Grin

No, you didn't. You told us the Boongs were breaching a contract. Prior to that, you said there was no contract. No lease, no ownership, nothing. This is your third position in a few days, and why?

Because you post without doing any reading. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. When you finally cave and post a quote, it nearly always proves you wrong.

This is why Boongs can't breach a government agreement. The government can just step in and enforce it. Clive Palmer can, Rupert Murdoch can, a handful of people can slip out of contractual agreements with the government without much fuss, but the Boongs?

Never ever.

People are cranky about this for very good reason - the Bongs never get a break. Your post above proves it. The racism of people like FD and your good self drives it. They run the current government.

There is more to Australia than a few title deeds, "geological formations" and tourist attractions. The land exists in an ancient set of natural - and spiritual - laws. White law just is a thin layer of dust.

This Ayres Rock 24 page saga is not just BS on FDs part but on your part as well.

"The boongs never get a break" ... that's just crap.

You want an issue I believe you should support our Aboriginal traditional owners on?

Well back them to stop the insidious Gas Fracking of their country in WA and the Territory.... and anywhere else they don't want it to happen.

There are hundreds of sites as significant as Uluru that are under threat of more than whitey climbing a fargin rock.

Agreed.

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Gnads wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

Answer the question?

how is it relevant? you're asking me to guess over what may or may not have happened if some hypothetical situation had occurred. At best, your argument is wishful thinking and it has nothing to do with giving control of Uluru to the local aboriginal tribe.

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Reply #359 - Nov 10^th, 2017 at 6:12pm

mothra wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 6:10pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

How does the existence of racist, sexist legislation in other countries change our racist, sexist legislation?

What racist and sexist legislation?

The examples from John that I was responding to. Do I really have to spell this out for you Mothra? Do try to keep up.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 3:54pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 10^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Are you trying to tell people why they visit Gandalf? Do you think the people who climb it might go there to climb it?

Sure FD. Just like the people who go to climb the trees at the Sydney Botanical Gardens go there to climb trees. Or the people who go to the Opera House to Climb the Sails, go there to climb the sails. Banning them from climbing must be banning them from "visiting" these sites right? If its not, then explain your logical inconsistency.

They are not my inconsistencies Gandalf. It just another example of you telling people why they want to do things. It is not anyone's place to impose arbitrary limits on what people can do in national parks based on racism, sexism and government imposed sacred cows. The swimming pool analogy is spot on. Your lies about no-one wanting to climb the rock are no less idiotic than saying people are permitted to go to a public pool but aren't allowed to swim in it. You whine about tourists "trampling all over it" like it is your mothers carpet. It is an enourmous rock. If you see it and don't feel the urge to climb it, best check your pulse.

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