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Reply #30 - Nov 5th, 2017 at 12:38pm
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 12:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 4th, 2017 at 3:38pm:
PZ547 wrote on Nov 4th, 2017 at 3:33pm:
DNA testing of anyone claiming Aboriginality is easy today.  Why isn't it being utilized?



Do some reading at this site: https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/people/aboriginal-identity-wh...

It might help you.

"Proposals of genetic testing as a means of proving one’s Aboriginality have been dismissed on the grounds that ‘race’ and ‘ethnicity’ are social, cultural and political constructs which cannot be
tested objectively."


So no Aboriginal person could use a DNA test say with ancestry.com and expect a result with any accuracy?

Your last quote is atypical politically correct wank used to excuse all the white aboriginals whose connections are very slim.

DNA would be useless on them as well ey?



They'll let you climb the rock if you pass a DNA test, Gonads, that's fine.

This is just about keeping Whitey off Boong property, so unfair.

But don't worry, when the money runs out, they'll take down the fence for sure. Australia will be free again - in so many countless and unknowable ways.
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Reply #31 - Nov 5th, 2017 at 12:40pm
 
Perhaps it is a good idea to phase out climbing the rock, if such activity is causing significant erosion. The stony ground around the Acropolis in Athens is so polished by the feet of visitors that it can be easy slip and injure one's self. But to ban climbers from Ayers Rock on spiritual grounds (forgive the pun) is a totally bogus justification. Most Aborigines did not even know it existed until it was made famous by explorers. It was never some kind of Mecca. And spiritualism is a lot of hokus-pokus anyway. Now excuse me, or I'll be late for my levitation workshop.
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Reply #32 - Nov 5th, 2017 at 12:47pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
Gnads wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 12:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 4th, 2017 at 3:38pm:
PZ547 wrote on Nov 4th, 2017 at 3:33pm:
DNA testing of anyone claiming Aboriginality is easy today.  Why isn't it being utilized?



Do some reading at this site: https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/people/aboriginal-identity-wh...

It might help you.

"Proposals of genetic testing as a means of proving one’s Aboriginality have been dismissed on the grounds that ‘race’ and ‘ethnicity’ are social, cultural and political constructs which cannot be
tested objectively."


So no Aboriginal person could use a DNA test say with ancestry.com and expect a result with any accuracy?

Your last quote is atypical politically correct wank used to excuse all the white aboriginals whose connections are very slim.

DNA would be useless on them as well ey?



They'll let you climb the rock if you pass a DNA test, Gonads, that's fine.

This is just about keeping Whitey off Boong property, so unfair.

But don't worry, when the money runs out, they'll take down the fence for sure. Australia will be free again - in so many countless and unknowable ways.


Is sarcasm you're only forte or do you multi task at all facets of being a TNUC?
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Reply #33 - Nov 5th, 2017 at 1:15pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
Most Aborigines did not even know it existed until it was made famous by explorers.



it's not about the spiritual beliefs of 'most aboriginals'. It's about the spiritual beliefs of the aborignal tribe in that area. They own it, not any other group of aboriginals.
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Reply #34 - Nov 5th, 2017 at 1:49pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
Perhaps it is a good idea to phase out climbing the rock, if such activity is causing significant erosion. The stony ground around the Acropolis in Athens is so polished by the feet of visitors that it can be easy slip and injure one's self. But to ban climbers from Ayers Rock on spiritual grounds (forgive the pun) is a totally bogus justification. Most Aborigines did not even know it existed until it was made famous by explorers. It was never some kind of Mecca. And spiritualism is a lot of hokus-pokus anyway. Now excuse me, or I'll be late for my levitation workshop.


Right. Explorers discovered this big red rock in the desert that hadn't been seen for 50,000 years.

We've got money. The spiritual connection is the only thing Australia needs, even if this is for the tourists alone. Ularu is a journey to Aboriginal Australia. Chinese tourists don't hear about Ayer, they buy Aboriginal tea towels.

But this is just dust on the surface of a millennial dreaming. Aboriginal sacred sites have been turned into mines and cattle stations. The rock is one of the only sacred sites ever given back. The One Nation crowd might want to turn it into a quaint geological curiousity, but they can't. Ularu is owned lock, stock and barrel by the locals, and they're gracious enough to rent it out to the tourists - as an Aboriginal sacred site.

FD would go there, but he says he can't be bothered spending hours driving through boring scenery - unlike East Asian tourists, who have about a week to see the whole of Australia.

Those tourists, with their selfies and their postcards and their tea towels know more about Aboriginal Australia than One Nation chumps like FD, and yet, all this is dust on the true history of this country.
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Reply #35 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 6:29am
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 1:15pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
Most Aborigines did not even know it existed until it was made famous by explorers.



it's not about the spiritual beliefs of 'most aboriginals'. It's about the spiritual beliefs of the aborignal tribe in that area. They own it, not any other group of aboriginals.


That's the whole point..... they don't own anything.

If at all they belong to the rock/land, are part of it.

You want to talk about their belief system yet still impose the white mans concept of ownership on the situation.

Not very consistent.
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Reply #36 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 7:08am
 
Open the country back up. Only one ban required and thats a ban on these disconnected fwits making decissions on our behalf.
If you want to climb it then go for it.
Sh1t hole out there anyway. Look at the pictures and save your money.
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Reply #37 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 7:13am
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 6th, 2017 at 6:29am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 1:15pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
Most Aborigines did not even know it existed until it was made famous by explorers.



it's not about the spiritual beliefs of 'most aboriginals'. It's about the spiritual beliefs of the aborignal tribe in that area. They own it, not any other group of aboriginals.


That's the whole point..... they don't own anything.

If at all they belong to the rock/land, are part of it.

You want to talk about their belief system yet still impose the white mans concept of ownership on the situation.

Not very consistent.


A point not lost in the Aboriginal studies debate, Gonads. An interesting philosophical conundrum.

But Mabo clarified it. Boongs have/had sole use of land - just as I have sole use of my block.

I come from mother England. Boongs come from the land. And we both share it.

We get iron ore and coal, they get big trucks to drive around all night.
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Reply #38 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 7:22am
 
its really really sad for aborigines.

if we look at the empirical evidence, then ever since the do-gooders in canberra started to interfere, we have escalating rates of

drug use
petrol and glue sniffing
domestic violence
obesity and diabetes
teen suicide
blindness
renal dialysis
incarceration
child abuse
pornography
STD's.

the interference from canberra has been to the detriment of aboriginal people.

why?

because when you convince a once very strong and physically fit people that they will move up the narrow road to success by asking for more rights, you screw them over.
you move up the narrow road to success by asking for more responsibilities.

when you have a mummy ( in this case the leftie government ) who do everything for you, its a bit like the story of hansel and gretel.

the grandma feeds them lots of candy and makes them think they can remain perpetual children.
but grandma is really a wolf who wants to eat them
the aborigine would be wise to run away very quickly from that sort of grandma .
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Reply #39 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 10:13am
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 6th, 2017 at 7:22am:
its really really sad for aborigines.

if we look at the empirical evidence, then ever since the do-gooders in canberra started to interfere, we have escalating rates of

drug use
petrol and glue sniffing
domestic violence
obesity and diabetes
teen suicide
blindness
renal dialysis
incarceration
child abuse
pornography
STD's.

the interference from canberra has been to the detriment of aboriginal people.

why?

because when you convince a once very strong and physically fit people that they will move up the narrow road to success by asking for more rights, you screw them over.
you move up the narrow road to success by asking for more responsibilities.

when you have a mummy ( in this case the leftie government ) who do everything for you, its a bit like the story of hansel and gretel.

the grandma feeds them lots of candy and makes them think they can remain perpetual children.
but grandma is really a wolf who wants to eat them
the aborigine would be wise to run away very quickly from that sort of grandma .


Another case of the pokie hitting a jackpot..... well done, aqua.
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Reply #40 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 10:15am
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 6th, 2017 at 6:29am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 1:15pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
Most Aborigines did not even know it existed until it was made famous by explorers.



it's not about the spiritual beliefs of 'most aboriginals'. It's about the spiritual beliefs of the aborignal tribe in that area. They own it, not any other group of aboriginals.


That's the whole point..... they don't own anything.

If at all they belong to the rock/land, are part of it.

You want to talk about their belief system yet still impose the white mans concept of ownership on the situation.

Not very consistent.


Exactly my point.  Captain Cook rules only apply when they can get something for nothing and 'make a statement' about it by keeping whitey away from it.  This is like those idiots wanting to deface the statue of Robert E Lee to appease the Blacks.

No more treaties, gifts and agreements - join the mainstream or go walkabout .. get back to your traditional roots etc,and leave the rest of us alone to enjoy our own nation in peace.
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Reply #41 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 10:24am
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 6th, 2017 at 6:29am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 1:15pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
Most Aborigines did not even know it existed until it was made famous by explorers.



it's not about the spiritual beliefs of 'most aboriginals'. It's about the spiritual beliefs of the aborignal tribe in that area. They own it, not any other group of aboriginals.


That's the whole point..... they don't own anything.

If at all they belong to the rock/land, are part of it.

You want to talk about their belief system yet still impose the white mans concept of ownership on the situation.

Not very consistent.


actually, it was white man who imposed it upon them. No abos in the high court.
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Reply #42 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 11:14am
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 6th, 2017 at 7:22am:
its really really sad for aborigines.

if we look at the empirical evidence, then ever since the do-gooders in canberra started to interfere, we have escalating rates of

drug use
petrol and glue sniffing
domestic violence
obesity and diabetes
teen suicide
blindness
renal dialysis
incarceration
child abuse
pornography
STD's.

the interference from canberra has been to the detriment of aboriginal people.

why?


What does this have to do with FD not being allowed to climb the rock after 2019?
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Reply #43 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 11:16am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 6th, 2017 at 10:15am:
Gnads wrote on Nov 6th, 2017 at 6:29am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 1:15pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
Most Aborigines did not even know it existed until it was made famous by explorers.



it's not about the spiritual beliefs of 'most aboriginals'. It's about the spiritual beliefs of the aborignal tribe in that area. They own it, not any other group of aboriginals.


That's the whole point..... they don't own anything.

If at all they belong to the rock/land, are part of it.

You want to talk about their belief system yet still impose the white mans concept of ownership on the situation.

Not very consistent.


Exactly my point.  Captain Cook rules only apply when they can get something for nothing and 'make a statement' about it by keeping whitey away from it. 


Something for nothing? It was their rock 200 years ago. We gave it back - for nothing - because they own it.
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Reply #44 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 12:22pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 11:08am:
freediver wrote on Nov 4th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 4th, 2017 at 12:37pm:
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Uluru closed to climbers after vote of national park board


So no one has been banned from Uluru. They have only been banned from climbing it.

Less than 20% of visitors climb it anyway


Is that like saying no-one has been banned from a pool, they are just not allowed to swim in it?


No it's not. That analogy is a strawman.
As i have already mentioned, less than 20% of visitors climb Uluru. And even of that 20%, the climb would be a minor part of their entire Uluru experience.

A more accurate analogy were if they were to ban people from climbing the Opera House..........which is actually already banned.

Quote:
Sydney's Opera House on Monday when an over-eager visitor attempted to climb the building's iconic sails.

The 20-year-old Swedish national was arrested after he was spotted by security guards about 1.40am.

He was charged with trespass under the Sydney Opera House Trust Act 1961 and will front court on November 2.
https://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/visitor-tries-climb-opera-houses-sails/1601...



How is it a strawman? You realise people like to climb mountains in our national parks, don't you? And that whether everyone else who sets foot in the national park does so is irrelevant to them?

Do you realise the opera house is a building while Uluru is a rock?

Also, did you know that the number of people climbing was actually much higher before the aborigines started a strong campaign of guilt tripping people into not climbing? How many of those people do you think were informed that their choice would be used to ban everyone from climbing?

Did you know that the counters used to estimate the percentage of people climbing are known to be faulty?


John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 1:15pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
Most Aborigines did not even know it existed until it was made famous by explorers.



it's not about the spiritual beliefs of 'most aboriginals'. It's about the spiritual beliefs of the aborignal tribe in that area. They own it, not any other group of aboriginals.


Are you aware of any other property in Australia that is 'owned' by a racial group? How many other national parks would you describe as being 'owned' by groups or individuals? How do the rules preventing them from banning non-Aborigines until now fit in with your concept of ownership?

Do you think 'managed' might be a better term? Or even, 'mismanaged'?
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