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Reply #270 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:47am
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:44am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:40am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:31am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:24am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 10:59am:
yes they do babe.


Climbing Ayers Rock
The Issues Surrounding the Uluru Climb
In a nutshell: Ayers Rock is a sacred site and the Aboriginal owners ask you to respect their law and not to climb it. The official "Please Don't Climb Uluru" message from the Government site gives two reasons for their request:
The climbing route is a sacred path of spiritual significance that is only taken[highlight] by few Aboriginal men on special occasions[/highlight].



so it's a few select aboriginal who can climb it, not all abo's ...

thanks for proving it's not racism Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

So if they do it then why is it an issue?


they do it only on special occasions hammer. I would hazard a guess that it's for spiritual purposes. If you or FD want to climb Uluru I suggest you join the tribe, become their 'priests' and you to will be able to climb up on special occasions.

What about if we want to do it for spiritual purposes?


Well, that's okay then. You buy the rock from the Boongs and you can do whatever you want on it.

Here's an interesting fact babe. The government gave the  abos the rock back on the proviso that people were allowed to climb it. The contract was struck. What do you think of that?
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Reply #271 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:48am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:45am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:43am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:40am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:31am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:24am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 10:59am:
yes they do babe.


Climbing Ayers Rock
The Issues Surrounding the Uluru Climb
In a nutshell: Ayers Rock is a sacred site and the Aboriginal owners ask you to respect their law and not to climb it. The official "Please Don't Climb Uluru" message from the Government site gives two reasons for their request:
The climbing route is a sacred path of spiritual significance that is only taken[highlight] by few Aboriginal men on special occasions[/highlight].



so it's a few select aboriginal who can climb it, not all abo's ...

thanks for proving it's not racism Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

So if they do it then why is it an issue?


they do it only on special occasions hammer. I would hazard a guess that it's for spiritual purposes. If you or FD want to climb Uluru I suggest you join the tribe, become their 'priests' and you to will be able to climb up on special occasions.

What about if we want to do it for spiritual purposes?



you'll need to talk to them. I'm not sure you can make up 'spiritual purposes' on the hop, but you're welcome to try.

Who says they aren't? Maybe they are climbing it to have a bong with a view?



You did. You put this up


The climbing route is a sacred path of spiritual significance that is only taken[highlight] by few Aboriginal men on special occasions


it says nothing there about a bong.
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Reply #272 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:50am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:23am:
freediver wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:15am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 10:59am:
yes they do babe.


Climbing Ayers Rock
The Issues Surrounding the Uluru Climb
In a nutshell: Ayers Rock is a sacred site and the Aboriginal owners ask you to respect their law and not to climb it. The official "Please Don't Climb Uluru" message from the Government site gives two reasons for their request:
The climbing route is a sacred path of spiritual significance that is only taken by few Aboriginal men on special occasions.


Was it John Smith or Mothra accusing me of lying about Aborigines climbing the rock? This went on for pages and pages. Just more lies to support racist laws.

It is both racist and sexist. They won't let women up there, even if they are from the correct tribe. Why is the government enshrining superstition, racism and sexism into law?
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He's taking the piss, right?


But of course. FD's pretending to be Cods. He gets like this when you prove him wrong.

They've taken away FD's Freeeeedom - in so many countless and unknowable ways.
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Reply #273 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:51am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:47am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:44am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:40am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:31am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:24am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 10:59am:
yes they do babe.


Climbing Ayers Rock
The Issues Surrounding the Uluru Climb
In a nutshell: Ayers Rock is a sacred site and the Aboriginal owners ask you to respect their law and not to climb it. The official "Please Don't Climb Uluru" message from the Government site gives two reasons for their request:
The climbing route is a sacred path of spiritual significance that is only taken[highlight] by few Aboriginal men on special occasions[/highlight].



so it's a few select aboriginal who can climb it, not all abo's ...

thanks for proving it's not racism Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

So if they do it then why is it an issue?


they do it only on special occasions hammer. I would hazard a guess that it's for spiritual purposes. If you or FD want to climb Uluru I suggest you join the tribe, become their 'priests' and you to will be able to climb up on special occasions.

What about if we want to do it for spiritual purposes?


Well, that's okay then. You buy the rock from the Boongs and you can do whatever you want on it.

Here's an interesting fact babe. The government gave the  abos the rock back on the proviso that people were allowed to climb it. The contract was struck. What do you think of that?


I think it's a load of krap.

You?
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Reply #274 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 5:05pm
 
mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2017 at 8:49pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 7th, 2017 at 8:46pm:
Mothra, how can you be sure they own it, while not being sure if they have a right to sell it or full control over who can climb it? Wouldn't ownership imply both? If you actually believe they own it, why the hesitation on what that ownership means? Do they only own it in a meaningless sense? Or in a racist sense?



They. Own. It. I don't know a damn thing about property law in the NT .. or whether or not there is a caveat on the deed that says  there are conditions about sale.

Why is it relevant?

The Anangu people won it and decide who can walk on it. It's really very simple.



The 'Anangu people' is a white invention.



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Reply #275 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 5:24pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:51am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:47am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:44am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:40am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:31am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:24am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 10:59am:
yes they do babe.


Climbing Ayers Rock
The Issues Surrounding the Uluru Climb
In a nutshell: Ayers Rock is a sacred site and the Aboriginal owners ask you to respect their law and not to climb it. The official "Please Don't Climb Uluru" message from the Government site gives two reasons for their request:
The climbing route is a sacred path of spiritual significance that is only taken[highlight] by few Aboriginal men on special occasions[/highlight].



so it's a few select aboriginal who can climb it, not all abo's ...

thanks for proving it's not racism Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

So if they do it then why is it an issue?


they do it only on special occasions hammer. I would hazard a guess that it's for spiritual purposes. If you or FD want to climb Uluru I suggest you join the tribe, become their 'priests' and you to will be able to climb up on special occasions.

What about if we want to do it for spiritual purposes?


Well, that's okay then. You buy the rock from the Boongs and you can do whatever you want on it.

Here's an interesting fact babe. The government gave the  abos the rock back on the proviso that people were allowed to climb it. The contract was struck. What do you think of that?


I think it's a load of krap.

You?
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On 11 December 1983, the Prime Minister of Australia, Bob Hawke, promised to hand back the land title to the Aṉangu traditional custodians and caretakers and agreed to the community's 10-point plan which included forbidding the climbing of Uluru. The government, however, set access to climb Uluru and a 99-year lease, instead of the previously agreed upon 50-year lease, as conditions before the title was officially given back to the Aṉangu on 26 October 1985.[21][
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Reply #276 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 5:51pm
 
Kameel bollocked again.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes tsk, tsk.



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Reply #277 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 6:40pm
 
mothra wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:01am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 10:54am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 10:51am:
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The process by which control over Uluru was wrapped up in racism. Was that the same process Mabo used?


what process did they use FD?



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No-one is forcing them to exclude people from Uluru based on racism and superstitious belief.


Good thing they are not then ehh. Roll Eyes


They used a political process, based on racism. Pretty much the opposite of Mabo. They did this because, for obvious reasons, the courts rejected a Mabo-style claim on our most iconic national monument.

Their exclusion is based on superstitious belief and they were only permitted to get their superstition enshrined in law because they are aborigines. Contrary to your claim, white people would not be permitted to pull the same stunt. It would be shouted down with hysterical cries of racism.


That's right, FD. Aborigines hold things called traditional beliefs. It's hard to understand, I know, but the shift to preserving these beliefs is seen as the opposite of past racist policies.

So unfair, I know. The Stolen Generation, the Native Protection Boards, the White Australia Policy - these were implemented to stop such diabolical racism of the kind we see today.

Fancy giving Boongs your national icon. What a load of wacist tosh.

Shurely it could be mined instead.
Will aborigines continue to walk on the rock when whitey is chucked off?


Firstly, "whitey" isn't getting chucked off. Stop being hysterical.

Secondly, what is done with Uluru is the business of the Anangu people and absolutely none of yours.


Of course its our business

We are paying for it with our taxes to the tribe on the dole and getting finances to administer the rock.

Unless they are willing to forego all payments and benifits of course

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Reply #278 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 10:34pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 5:24pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:51am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:47am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:44am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:40am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:31am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:24am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:22am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 10:59am:
yes they do babe.


Climbing Ayers Rock
The Issues Surrounding the Uluru Climb
In a nutshell: Ayers Rock is a sacred site and the Aboriginal owners ask you to respect their law and not to climb it. The official "Please Don't Climb Uluru" message from the Government site gives two reasons for their request:
The climbing route is a sacred path of spiritual significance that is only taken[highlight] by few Aboriginal men on special occasions[/highlight].



so it's a few select aboriginal who can climb it, not all abo's ...

thanks for proving it's not racism Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

So if they do it then why is it an issue?


they do it only on special occasions hammer. I would hazard a guess that it's for spiritual purposes. If you or FD want to climb Uluru I suggest you join the tribe, become their 'priests' and you to will be able to climb up on special occasions.

What about if we want to do it for spiritual purposes?


Well, that's okay then. You buy the rock from the Boongs and you can do whatever you want on it.

Here's an interesting fact babe. The government gave the  abos the rock back on the proviso that people were allowed to climb it. The contract was struck. What do you think of that?


I think it's a load of krap.

You?
wiki

On 11 December 1983, the Prime Minister of Australia, Bob Hawke, promised to hand back the land title to the Aṉangu traditional custodians and caretakers and agreed to the community's 10-point plan which included forbidding the climbing of Uluru. The government, however, set access to climb Uluru and a 99-year lease, instead of the previously agreed upon 50-year lease, as conditions before the title was officially given back to the Aṉangu on 26 October 1985.[21][


Link, please. If you're right, I'll change my mind.
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Reply #279 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 12:41am
 
http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/blogs/on-this-day/2010/10/on-this-day-abo...

On this day: Aboriginal Australians get Uluru back

    BY Julian Swallow |
    October 26, 2010

It was 25 years ago that Uluru was officially returned to its Aboriginal traditional owners.

LYING AT THE PHYSICAL and cultural heart of our nation, the great monolith of Uluru is sacred to Australia's Aborigines for its place in the Tjukurpa - the 'creation period' - as well as a mecca for trourists drawn to this most iconic feature of the outback.

Twenty-five years ago, on 26 October 1985, it was the focus of a ceremony held to transfer custodianship of Uluru and neighbouring Kata Tjuta to its Anangu traditional owners. The ceremony, performed in the shadow of the immense rock, remains one of the most significant moments in the Aboriginal land-rights movement.

Governor-General at the time, Sir Ninian Stephen, acknowledged its importance to both indigenous and non-indigenous Australians. "Today we stand not merely in the centre of our continent but at its very heart. We stand beside what has become one of our national symbols, what original Australians know as Uluru, and what the rest of it think of as Ayers Rock," he said.

The handover, described as "groundbreaking" by the director of the Central Land Council, David Ross, was emblematic of a growing awareness of the system of Aboriginal traditional law and land ownership that was ultimately recognised in the 1993 Native Title Act, passed by Federal Parliament.

Under the terms of the handover agreement, the Anangu people leased Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park to the Australian Parks and Wildlife Service for 99 years, ensuring the public's ongoing access, as well as continued funds to the local community.

"Every year now ... they have put money towards community projects like BMX tracks, craft rooms, mechanical workshops [and] outstation renovations," says David.

While the agreement was broadly welcomed in most quarters, in others it was hotly contested. Philip Toyne, who negotiated the agreement with the Hawke Government on behalf of the Anangu, told the ABC in 2005 the agreement "was opposed at every turn by the Northern Territory Government of the day, by the tourist industry, by people who felt extremely threatened by Aboriginal people owning one of Australian's great icons."

First discovered by Europeans in 1873 (explorer William Gosse named it Ayers Rock after Sir Henry Ayers, the Chief Secretary of South Australia) the area surrounding Uluru is believed, by the Anangu, to remain home to Tjukuritja and Waparitja - creators whose journeys and activities are recorded in the landscape.

Since the park was returned to its traditional owners, there have been more than seven million visitors. While many undertake the climb to Uluru's 348m summit in often searing temperatures, the Anangu ask visitors not to do so, as under traditional law the right to climb is restricted to senior men initiated into their culture.

Earlier this month Aboriginal people, with the help of the Indigenous Land Corporation, bought Uluru's Yulara resort from the commercial operator that owned it."


Nowhere does it say there is any right to block access to The Rock for anyone....

Thank you all for coming - this is a nonsense claim, and will not be entertained.
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Reply #280 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 10:01am
 
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Nowhere does it say there is any right to block access to The Rock for anyone....

Thank you all for coming - this is a nonsense claim, and will not be entertained.



And nobody will be blocked. Everyone can still go to Uluru.

You are most welcome.
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Reply #281 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 1:36pm
 
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White people will be banned from Uluru. All non-aborigines will be, and presumably those aborigines who are from the wrong tribal group. Clearly, this is racist. Chances are, women won’t be allowed up there either, even if they have the correct skin colour. Even more concerning is that this is justified on spiritual grounds. One group’s spiritual views are so much more important than everyone else’s that the government has enshrined them in legislation so that our most iconic natural monument can be fenced off.

This is not about the legitimacy of the spiritual views of aboriginal people. This is about imposing those views on people who do not share them, and doing so on racist lines. You don’t need to impose your religious beliefs on other people as a test of whether they are sufficiently respected, unless you are a terrorist, or apparently, aboriginal. It is no less absurd than putting a fence around Bondi beach and only allowing white Christians to go for a swim. The rest of you can come and visit and stay in our hotels, but you can only take photos from a respectful distance. We get really upset if you make a big deal about it, so please politely acknowledge our spiritual rights.


FD Has it dawned on you yet that everyone - Aborigines included - is banned from climbing?


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polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 1:36pm:
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White people will be banned from Uluru. All non-aborigines will be, and presumably those aborigines who are from the wrong tribal group. Clearly, this is racist. Chances are, women won’t be allowed up there either, even if they have the correct skin colour. Even more concerning is that this is justified on spiritual grounds. One group’s spiritual views are so much more important than everyone else’s that the government has enshrined them in legislation so that our most iconic natural monument can be fenced off.

This is not about the legitimacy of the spiritual views of aboriginal people. This is about imposing those views on people who do not share them, and doing so on racist lines. You don’t need to impose your religious beliefs on other people as a test of whether they are sufficiently respected, unless you are a terrorist, or apparently, aboriginal. It is no less absurd than putting a fence around Bondi beach and only allowing white Christians to go for a swim. The rest of you can come and visit and stay in our hotels, but you can only take photos from a respectful distance. We get really upset if you make a big deal about it, so please politely acknowledge our spiritual rights.


FD Has it dawned on you yet that everyone - Aborigines included - is banned from climbing?




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Reply #283 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 1:46pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 1:36pm:
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White people will be banned from Uluru. All non-aborigines will be, and presumably those aborigines who are from the wrong tribal group. Clearly, this is racist. Chances are, women won’t be allowed up there either, even if they have the correct skin colour. Even more concerning is that this is justified on spiritual grounds. One group’s spiritual views are so much more important than everyone else’s that the government has enshrined them in legislation so that our most iconic natural monument can be fenced off.

This is not about the legitimacy of the spiritual views of aboriginal people. This is about imposing those views on people who do not share them, and doing so on racist lines. You don’t need to impose your religious beliefs on other people as a test of whether they are sufficiently respected, unless you are a terrorist, or apparently, aboriginal. It is no less absurd than putting a fence around Bondi beach and only allowing white Christians to go for a swim. The rest of you can come and visit and stay in our hotels, but you can only take photos from a respectful distance. We get really upset if you make a big deal about it, so please politely acknowledge our spiritual rights.


FD Has it dawned on you yet that everyone - Aborigines included - is banned from climbing?




Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:17am:
freediver wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:15am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 10:59am:
yes they do babe.


Climbing Ayers Rock
The Issues Surrounding the Uluru Climb
In a nutshell: Ayers Rock is a sacred site and the Aboriginal owners ask you to respect their law and not to climb it. The official "Please Don't Climb Uluru" message from the Government site gives two reasons for their request:
The climbing route is a sacred path of spiritual significance that is only taken by few Aboriginal men on special occasions.


Was it John Smith or Mothra accusing me of lying about Aborigines climbing the rock? This went on for pages and pages. Just more lies to support racist laws.

It is both racist and sexist. They won't let women up there, even if they are from the correct tribe.
And that was from a leftie website Freediver. You can bet aborigines climb it whenever they like.


Let's add Gandalf to the list.

Gandalf are you aware of any sacred sites that Aboriginal men ban themselves from, rather than only banning women and people from the wrong racial grouping?

Why is this lie so persistent? Do you lot think it is only racist if the implementation of the rules is racist?
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Reply #284 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 1:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 7th, 2017 at 8:29pm:
Is it not racist when Aborigines do it?

Would you be screaming in outrage if the government handed a national park to white people and allowed them to ban black people?


Wow, thats almost as good an analogy as the one about the fence at Bondi to keep out the non-white Christians. I wonder what would FD say about such blatant dishonesty?

freediver wrote on Nov 7th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
[ You are telling a racist lie to further a racist political agenda.


Indeed.
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