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Nov 4th, 2017 at 9:08am
 
Racism and government-imposed sacred cows, wrapped in the woolly fuzz of political correctness

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White people will be banned from Uluru. All non-aborigines will be, and presumably those aborigines who are from the wrong tribal group. Clearly, this is racist. Chances are, women won’t be allowed up there either, even if they have the correct skin colour. Even more concerning is that this is justified on spiritual grounds. One group’s spiritual views are so much more important than everyone else’s that the government has enshrined them in legislation so that our most iconic natural monument can be fenced off.

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This is not about the legitimacy of the spiritual views of aboriginal people. This is about imposing those views on people who do not share them, and doing so on racist lines. You don’t need to impose your religious beliefs on other people as a test of whether they are sufficiently respected, unless you are a terrorist, or apparently, aboriginal. It is no less absurd than putting a fence around Bondi beach and only allowing white Christians to go for a swim. The rest of you can come and visit and stay in our hotels, but you can only take photos from a respectful distance. We get really upset if you make a big deal about it, so please politely acknowledge our spiritual rights.

Our beaches, our national parks, our oceans, our rivers, these are all public property to be shared for the enjoyment of all. They are important to all Australians, not just a select few. They have spiritual significance to all sorts of people. They are not to be sold off to the loudest group of racist, religious zealots, no matter how sympathetic or politically correct their zealotry is. Imagine, for a moment, that a new cult sprung up and declared that climbing Uluru was a religious imperative. Whose religious views would the government decide are more important? Why would it take a cult with white people in it to bring home the absurdity of the situation? If you don't think white people also tend to invent sacred cows and impose them on other races, ask yourself what is inherently wrong with Japanese people eating whale meat from wild caught, sustainably harvested minke whales that are present in huge numbers in international waters.

The broader issue here is what it means to be Australian and what our values are. Are we moving to a post racial society where race truly does not matter and we are all truly equal? Or are we moving towards a re-racialised society that forever enshrines racism, superstition and sexism in petty, discriminatory laws? Should Aborigines be treated as equals? If they are our equals, can their spiritual views be more important than ours? Are their spiritual views more important than our right to climb Uluru? Is the historical suffering of their ancestors of more import than the suffering endured by everyone else’s?

You cannot have this both ways. Either aborigines are fully fledged citizens with equal rights, equal expectations and equal responsibilities, or they are stone age voodoo mongers incapable of surviving emotionally in modern society and who must be fenced off in some kind of special zoo for the protection of their delicate, ancient spiritual beliefs. Unfortunately the recent trend appears to be away from equality, and Uluru is just the tip of the iceberg. Our state and federal governments are enshrining in our legislation the soft bigotry of low expectations and the learned helplessness that has institutionalised intergenerational poverty and suffering. Real suffering that a fence around Uluru will do nothing to fix.

Unlike everyone else, Aborigines are not expected to carry their spiritual views into the 21st century as personal baggage to be celebrated with those who share it, but not thrust upon others at every opportunity. Instead we must reverse the hard-won separation of church and state and officially recognise the spiritual views of Aborigines at every opportunity. This started with lip service, and has taken us to a fence around Uluru. Where will it take us if we continue to feed this monster?

Aborigines are not even expected to manage their own finances. We have constantly evolving boards to hand out government money on their behalf. These boards are not elected. They inevitably turn corrupt, and are then reinvented and replaced with ‘trusted’ aboriginal leaders that everyone likes and that our politicians approve of. We have remote communities that are economically unviable, except for government handouts. Many of these communities are miniature communist states where the Aborigines who supposedly own the land cannot be trusted to purchase and manage their own piece of it. Inevitably, they live in squalor. The development of the land, recognised as necessary by those within and without, proceeds at a pace and efficiency you would expect from a communist regime (the Russian communist juggernaut that for many decades threatened US hegemony was created by literally forcing people out of rural communities and into the factories).
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Reply #1 - Nov 4th, 2017 at 9:08am
 
We took a wrong turn somewhere. We were heading in a straight line away from our racist, bigoted, sexist, imperialist past. Then we turned around, saw what was behind us, and asked ourselves “how can we fix this past racism with a future of myriad petty, racist rules, sacred cows, posturing and formalised ritual?” This is not respect. This is the excruciating, delicate care you give to a spoilt child while trying to get them to grow up.

Did I mention I would like to climb the rock one day? Please, don’t take this opportunity away from us. You will regret it in countless, unknowable ways. You cannot deny rights and freedoms to other people without also denying them to yourselves.



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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1509708832

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Reply #2 - Nov 4th, 2017 at 9:57am
 
Is this for real or just a potential future claim?

They can forget about any 'treaty' if this is the case.... Aboriginals have/had no established religion..... as a vastly spread out group of amorphous little tribal groups they utterly lacked the contiguity to ever develop a religion.  Same applies to a treaty - you would need to organise and sign an individual treaty for every small group - there is no national group titled Aborigines as such - they were just living there with no social organisation beyond the small group.

Even the NA Indians had a better organisation - entire tribal groups still gather annually for the Sun Dance etc... you don't see Aborigines doing that in large numbers, since they had no large tribal groups.

Another step along the way to a 'strong, centralised government' that will outlaw, banish and then punish all this kind of deviation - I've told you all countless times that the kinds of things we are seeing taking place are the roots of a despotic government - one that can justify every move on the basis of 'the best good of the people', but will inevitably be taken over by a small and self-interested central group and used by that group to hold power in perpetuity.
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Reply #3 - Nov 4th, 2017 at 9:59am
 
In a futile attempt to be "unracist" we are self flagulating.

We must ask ourselves three questions before we embark on this ritual of self punishment.
1) The peo Pl e we seek to be "un racist", "unbias", " unbiggoted" to
         Are they similarly attuned to this ideal?

2)  In other countries or cultures, from which these people, who we seek to shield.
         Are they similarly focussed on the same ideals?

3) In our attempt to "appear" or "behave" in an unbias, nonracist and nonbiggoted manner.
        Are we in fact compounding the problem by drawing attention to a problem that in fact does not exist.

I can tell you, having travelled the world.
That racism is nothing in Australia compared to other countries.
Australians are far more accepting and tolerant than most other countries.

Try travelling to the USA for instance
Or perhaps Dubai, Afganistan, Indonesia,  Africa or India.

The racism in these countries is tangable in the extreem.
Very few people in Australia would think twice about serving a black person, or sitting on a train with one.
Only a very small minority world have a problem with any race.

However, some races, some CULTs bring their own problems.
Being wary of these groups is not racism, it is simply common sense.

Australian Aboriginals create most of theirvown problems.
They bask in the attention and excessive benifits they demand.
To be a truely non racist country...ALL PEOPLE SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME.

No additional benifits because you arevan aboriginal
No land rights
No free schooling
No special treatment

ONE RULE FOR ALL.
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Reply #4 - Nov 4th, 2017 at 10:04am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 4th, 2017 at 9:08am:
White people will be banned from Uluru. All non-aborigines will be, and presumably those aborigines who are from the wrong tribal group. Clearly, this is racist. Chances are, women won’t be allowed up there either, even if they have the correct skin colour.



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Or is this just make up nonsense?
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Reply #5 - Nov 4th, 2017 at 12:01pm
 
Uluru closed to climbers after vote of national park board

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Uluru will be closed to climbers after the board of the Uluru Kata Tjuta National Park voted to close the climb to the summit of the rock.

The unanimous decision to close Uluru to climbers was described as "righting a historic wrong" by David Ross, the director of the Central Land Council.

"This decision has been a very long time coming and our thoughts are with the elders who have longed for this day but are no longer with us to celebrate it," Mr Ross said.

Mr Ross said the board agreed to delay the date of the climb's actual closure for another two years.

Uluru's management had been urged to close the rock permanently to climbers, with senior traditional owner and leader Sammy Wilson saying the sacred rock was "not a theme park like Disneyland".

Mr Wilson, who is also chairman of the Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park Board of Management, said it was time to close the rock to climbers.

For years the Anangu, the local Indigenous owners, felt as if they had a "gun to our heads" to keep the rock open, he told the board.

"Please don't hold us to ransom," he said.

The 12-member board that manages the park, which includes eight Indigenous representatives, voted on Wednesday to close the climb permanently, while keeping the park open to tourists.

Under the current agreement, the board may vote on whether to close the rock to climbers when fewer than 20 per cent of all visitors climb, a threshold that has now been passed.

A decade ago, 38 per cent of visitors climbed, and recent figures provided to Fairfax Media indicated that about 20 per cent climbed.

Because of the unreliability of motion sensors used to count the number of climbers, a new and independent analysis was commissioned from statisticians at Griffith University.

It estimated that only 16 per cent of visitors climb, said a spokeswoman for Parks Australia, who added that the experts took into account the days that the climb was closed because of wind and when it was considered dangerous to climb.

"Some people, in tourism and government for example, might have been saying we need to keep it open but it's not their law that lies in this land," Mr Wilson said.

"It is an extremely important place, not a theme park like Disneyland.

"If I travel to another country and there is a sacred site, an area of restricted access, I don't enter or climb it, I respect it. It is the same here for Anangu. We welcome tourists here. We are not stopping tourism, just this activity.

"After much discussion, we've decided it's time," he said.

Mr Wilson said the government needed to respect what he was saying about Aboriginal culture in the same way it expected Indigenous people to abide by its laws.

"It doesn't work with money," he said. "Money is transient, it comes and goes like the wind."

Mr Wilson stressed that the park would still welcome tourists.

"This decision is for both Anangu and non-Anangu together to feel proud about; to realise, of course it's the right thing to close the 'playground'. The land has law and culture. We welcome tourists here. Closing the climb is not something to feel upset about but a cause for celebration," he said.

Mr Ross said he doubted visitors would miss the climb if tourism plans for areas surrounding the national park received assistance.

"There is so much else besides that in the culture here," Mr Wilson said. "If we have the right support to take tourists outside [the park] it will benefit everyone.

"We have a lot to offer in this country. So instead of tourists feeling disappointed ... they can experience the homelands with Anangu and really enjoy the fact that they learnt so much more about culture."

The Parks spokeswoman said the park was nearly always fully occupied, and she believed that the closure of the rock to climbers would be welcomed by some overseas tour operators.
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Reply #6 - Nov 4th, 2017 at 12:36pm
 
Sounds like it's a Disney ride for those 'board' members.  Sack the lot NOW!

What we need here is a good old-fashioned lynching...

What a pack of self-important arseholes.... no wonder Howard the Coward stole all the guns in the community - he's against the Darwin Principle... typical short-arsed little man with a touch gone upstairs and a solid dose of megalomania.

Ein Reich.. Ein Volk ... Ein Howard - No Guns!!

What we need here is a good old-fashioned lynching...

'Righting a historical wrong' - what exactly would that be?

What we need here is a good old-fashioned lynching...
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Uluru closed to climbers after vote of national park board


So no one has been banned from Uluru. They have only been banned from climbing it.

Less than 20% of visitors climb it anyway
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Reply #8 - Nov 4th, 2017 at 12:40pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 4th, 2017 at 12:37pm:
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Uluru closed to climbers after vote of national park board


So no one has been banned from Uluru. They have only been banned from climbing it.

Less than 20% of visitors climb it anyway


Is that like saying no-one has been banned from a pool, they are just not allowed to swim in it?
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Reply #9 - Nov 4th, 2017 at 1:57pm
 
I'm impressed by the caliber of posts in this thread, as I believe most others are/will be

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Australian Aboriginals create most of their own problems.
They bask in the attention and excessive benifits they demand.
To be a truely non racist country...ALL PEOPLE SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME.

No additional benefits because you are an aboriginal
No land rights
No free schooling
No special treatment

ONE RULE FOR ALL


I'm confident the vast majority would agree with the above quote

If only it were that simple

Imagine how much Australians generally would benefit it the financial and other burdens for Aborigines were lifted from us

Years ago, in Queensland, I discovered our neighbor to be part-Aborigine.  She was an older woman.  We got along well.  It was when the Qld. govt. introduced a new, punitive exam to be undertaken by Grade 12 students who'd already passed their exams. The govt. wanted to free up uni places for overseas students. The new 'extra' exam was, quite simply, to knock Qld. students out. Friends down the road were both teachers, old-school. They had three daughters, one of whom had been required to sit the 'new' knockout exam. Both her parents, teachers, stated to me and others that had they been required to sit that 'new' knockout exam, they would have failed it.  It was a bas tard move by the Qld. govt., in the opinion of most. Underhanded, badly executed.  And the grief it caused students and families was immense, especially for those students who'd undergone twelve years of study, had done everything asked of them all the way through, only to see their goals and future careers tossed into the dirt -- in the name of profit, money, the lucrative overseas student market

My Aborigine neighbor knew what it had done to innumerable students and their families and one day, over the fence, told me that Aborigines, part-Aborigines and those with a miniscule Aborigine component, would never have to go through what tens of thousands of Qld. Grade 12 students were currently suffering

She pointed to a presumably Aboriginal kid with a rat's tail who was racing around on a mini-bike. She said it was her grandson and told me she had high hopes for him.  If he gets to Grade 10, she said, the Qld. govt. will 'give' him a place at university. To help him to get to Grade 10, he will have tutors and the tutors will sit next to him, and basically sit exams for him.  Further, the exam an Aborigine child is required to sit would be dumbed-down

She said that this would continue all through the Aborigine student's tertiary studies, i.e., all school expenses paid for the State. All accommodation paid by the State. Tutors paid by the State. Special curriculum, a dumbed-down version, set by the State. Spending money provided by the State.  Jobs set aside for the Aborigine after he and his tutor have passed the special, 'easier' exams

I told her I hadn't known any of that

She then told me about her son.  He was a much lighter shade than many of her other children. He'd been encouraged by well-intentioned govt. persons to apply for a job with Qld. police.  He was a good-looking lad.  She laughed as she told me that she never had to worry about her policeman son. She said that wherever he went during his police duties, there were two Aussie police with him, making sure nothing happened to him

In the papers about five years ago, there was a photo of her son. He'd been promoted and at the time held a very senior role within Qld. police, although it was only in 'acting' capacity.  I'm sure he's risen up the ranks and has been provided every assistance throughout, with the sort of 'assistance' provided Aborigine students, i.e. tutors, exams especially tailored for his Aboriginality.  In the process, how many independently capable, unassisted Aussie cops have been passed-over?

My Aboriginal neighbor was fuming. She said she'd just returned from the upmarket apartment where one of her daughters lived.  My neighbor said she went there by bus a couple of times a week to clean the place, which she described as ' a tip '.  She went on to say that the apartment in an expensive area surrounded on both sides by water and views, was 'provided' her daughter by the Qld. govt. In other words, we rate-paying, tax-paying people in far less attractive regions, were paying the considerable rent for that apartment

My neighbor said her daughter had been 'given' a boutique which specialized in Aboriginal artifacts in again, a very upmarket riverside shopping centre.  Her daughter was supposed to manage that business, but as the mother explained, buyers arranged the stock, accountants did the books, the sales-people were Aussies.  She said her daughter did basically nothing apart from play at ' Lady Muck'.  The boutique was not required to turn a profit. No pressure.  Just an Aborigine playing the role of 'businesswoman'

My neighbor said that same daughter had just flown to the United States for a seminar at which Native Americans and other indigenous would be present.  All expenses paid: nice hotels, travel costs to and from the US and within the US and possibly Canada, I can't remember

My neighbor said frankly that the seminar was basically a paid holiday. There were no expectations of her daughter whilst there -- just have fun. She said her daughter and the Native American contingent generally held talks and whined about being oppressed by white people

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Reply #10 - Nov 4th, 2017 at 2:17pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 4th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 4th, 2017 at 12:37pm:
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Uluru closed to climbers after vote of national park board


So no one has been banned from Uluru. They have only been banned from climbing it.

Less than 20% of visitors climb it anyway


Is that like saying no-one has been banned from a pool, they are just not allowed to swim in it?

Now now Fd, you know that not all metaphors bear close examination  Grin
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Reply #11 - Nov 4th, 2017 at 2:21pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 4th, 2017 at 9:08am:
We took a wrong turn somewhere. We were heading in a straight line away from our racist, bigoted, sexist, imperialist past. Then we turned around, saw what was behind us, and asked ourselves “how can we fix this past racism with a future of myriad petty, racist rules, sacred cows, posturing and formalised ritual?” This is not respect. This is the excruciating, delicate care you give to a spoilt child while trying to get them to grow up.

Did I mention I would like to climb the rock one day? Please, don’t take this opportunity away from us. You will regret it in countless, unknowable ways. You cannot deny rights and freedoms to other people without also denying them to yourselves.



Some previous discussions:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1509521075

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1509708832

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1509629937

I believe what I was told: don't go into the middle of the country because there's nothing there!

Who cares about Uluru?

It's in the middle of certain death!
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Reply #12 - Nov 4th, 2017 at 2:42pm
 
I hadn't been aware our govt. was sending Aborigines across the world to whinge, or that we were paying for it

My neighbour then told me about her son and how he'd been 'given' (by the govt.) a modern motel in a northern NSW coastal town and tourist resort. I most likely offered an impressed expression.  My neighbor said her son was 'useless'. Whites did the work. They ran the place, did everything.  I asked what her son did. She replied he 'went fishing' and big-noted himself

I have no idea what sort of expression I had on my face by that time, but maybe it prompted my neighbor (who was more than half white, remember) to say she'd told her adult children off and said it was time they 'started giving something back'. She looked at me intently and asked if I thought they should. I agreed with her

The thing was, she said, no one in govt. or anywhere else expected her people to put anything back

She said the only members of her family who were worth tuppence were her sons in law.  Her daughters had divorced them and the many children resulting from these relationships were all colours and all over the place.  At least her sons in law gave her a hand around the house, she said

I'd noticed that my elderly Aboriginal neighbor was very lightly complexioned.  Her complexion could be described as olive. I've met Greeks and Italians and even Chinese who've been darker.  It was my neighbor who raised the issue.  All her children were much, much darker complexioned than she, she said, because the father of most of them was from the Solomon Islands, where the people pride themselves on their almost black skin

So, my neighbor was less than 50% Aboriginal, and the father of her children ... who were being lavished with money, opportunities, freebies ... wasn't Aboriginal at all

A couple of years later, Maxine McKew, whom I personally believe to be Ashkenazim, tore into a young Pauline Hanson on an ABC programme.  It was the famous, ' Please explain' moment regarding xenophobia.  Hanson was saying that all Australians should be treated equally.  Aborigines, in her opinion, should not be any more generously provided for than other Australians

McKew leaned in, looking like a barracuda.  It was a set-up job, and McKew appeared to be relishing it.  Tony Abbott would later play the role of contract-killer in the attempted destruction of Hanson

A neighbor came around the next morning and was furious with McKew and ABC about the programme.  I said I was equally disgusted.  Rather than merely fume at the injustice, I phoned ABC from Qld and asked to be connected to the show's producer. I expressed my disgust at the way Hanson had been treated.  The producer said ABC were proud of the programme and for exposing the 'racism' of Hanson

I told the producer what my Aboriginal neighbor had told me about the perks of Aboriginality.  The producer said it was utter nonsense. She refused point blank to believe a word of it.  So I invited the producer to bring a camera team to south-east Qld. where they'd be able to speak to my neighbor, film it and put it to air.  If the ABC was prepared to correct their portrayal of Aborigines as suffering extreme deprivation at the hands of greedy, racist, whites, it would in some way assist them to correct the character-assassination perpetrated by the ABC on Pauline Hanson.  Does the ABC have the spine to present the truth and both sides of the story, I asked

No. The ABC had no intention of doing so, I was told.  They said I was wrong in everything I'd told them. If Aborigines were  being given advantage by the govt., then they, the ABC would be aware of it.  So I gave them my neighbour's name and address and invited ABC to go find out the truth for themselves.  No. They were not interested. They did not believe Aborigines were provided advantage

I was of course naïve then. I believed the ABC and McKew simply didn't know the truth.  Now I see that the ABC had been given a task and were operating an agenda against Pauline Hanson. It was political. It still is.  Endless ABC programmes have been aired portraying Aborigines as downtrodden, deprived, ill health, zero opportunities, ongoing racism and deliberate exclusion by white society, Aborigines as a people dispossessed, etc. Aussies are being conditioned to feel generational guilt on account of Aborigines. They are shown isolated Aboriginal towns, extreme poverty and distress.  Aussies believe, because it's been drummed into them all their lives, that we are responsible for the plight of Aborigines.  We have been systematically softened-up.  We drip with guilt. When the govt. hands massive tracts of land to Aborigines, we don't protest. We feel we are the bad guys and that our ancestors were bas tards

There is a woman in south-east Qld. She has run in local elections.  A senior woman.  She used to take courses at local campuses, TAFE, etc.  Very well educated, articulate woman.  I attended some of her courses years ago.  She told us that when she graduated Sydney University in 1964, it was being taught that the greater the white component in Aboriginals, the more likely and able they were to be socialized, educated, employed, etc.  She said it had been extensively studied and these were the conclusions drawn as result of the studies

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Reply #13 - Nov 4th, 2017 at 2:55pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 4th, 2017 at 9:08am:
White people will be banned from Uluru. All non-aborigines will be, and presumably those aborigines who are from the wrong tribal group. Clearly, this is racist.


You've been given some wrong information.

1. it's a ban on climbing - not visiting.

2. everybody will be banned from climbing the rock - not just non-aboriginals.
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Reply #14 - Nov 4th, 2017 at 3:33pm
 
In the mid-90s I was with friends in a large shopping centre in Coolangatta.  It's been replaced since by high-rise. At the time we were there, visiting a retailer whom we knew, we were introduced to a man who ran a vast 'art studio' in the upper floor.  Within five minutes of being introduced to the man, he asked if we would like to 'do some painting'.  We all laughed.  He said he was serious. He went on to say that everything in the art-studio was 'laid on' -- endless blank canvasses, good quality.  More paints than you could poke a brush at.  Work any hours you choose.  Take time out to go for coffee or a bit of shopping, etc., good money

We'd never heard anything like it.  Paid employment has always been in short supply on the Gold Coast.  He should have had more people keen for work than he could count

He went on to say that the government was funding the entire exercise.  Aboriginal Art.  It was supposed to provide work for local Aborigines.  But, he said, they weren't interested. The few Aborigines who'd attended hadn't been willing to stick around for more than a few days before they took off.  He'd gone down the Tweed looking for them, offered transport there and back.  Not interested

As result, the 'manager' of the Aboriginal Art studio had been employing back-packers, people from all over the world -- Dutch, German, British, etc.  He said the paintings were 'easy'. The back-packers were shown dot paintings, squiggles, etc. from books before painting dots and lines which passed, apparently, for 'genuine Aboriginal Art'.  Who knows how many supposedly 'genuine Aboriginal' canvasses hang right now in galleries and walls across the world. 

Later, our retailer friend said the 'art studio manager' was genuine and was always approaching people in the shopping centre, offering them work for a few hours or days, if they liked. Everyone knew about it. It wasn't hidden

I'd observed the 'art studio' manager while he spoke. He reminded me very strongly of Lebanese I'd known in Sydney.  Same nose for a start, same skin colour, crinkly hair, etc.  I didn't believe the man was Aboriginal, although he might have some Aboriginal blood

In the late 60s into the 70s, I knew of Christian Lebanese who went 'roo shooting, several times a year.  Accompanying them were Maltese, Italians, Greeks, most of them late teens, early to mid 20s.  They had 'spotties' fixed on their vehicles and returned to Sydney laughing their guts out about the women they'd rooted, the wild-life they'd decimated.  I head all about it from a fairly tough Lebanese guy who at least drew the line at the mindless slaughter

Another perk of the trips was the freely available sex for booze offered by Aboriginal girls and kids.  The supposedly 'Aboriginal' offspring produced would be indistinguishable from mainstream Aboriginals.  If not actually Lebanese, I suspected the 'art-studio' manager in Coolangatta to be mixed-blood Lebanese-Aboriginal

The test of Aboriginality was, quite recently, that the individual be recognized as Aboriginal by three other supposed Aborigines.  Has it changed? 

The Australian tax-payer gets no say in which coloured person, as a claimed Aborigine, is in receipt of basically free-everything for life -- plus perks as detailed by my part-Aboriginal neighbor

There used to be a character from Tasmania who was frequently in the media.  He claimed to be an Aboriginal lawyer and spokesperson.  He had red hair, freckles, bright blue eyes and very pale skin. He would have passed as European anywhere in the world

What is 'Aboriginality' ?  Is a person with less than 5% Aboriginality an Aborigine, or something else?  Does the government test for 'Aboriginality'?  I've seen supposed Aborigines in the city, begging for money to send them and their dance-troupe overseas, when they've been as Caucasian as I am

How many supposed 'Aborigines' are in fact at least half Maori, or Samoan or Lebanese or West Indian (because West Indian cricketer, Wes Hall, was celebrated throughout the South Burnett years ago and the story was, he'd left at least 50 kids behind, most of them seeded in Aboriginal girls from Cherbourg mission).  Are we giving special-benefits and free-everything for life to Wes Hall's by now hundreds of descendants along with the Lebanese offspring resulting from dozens of roo-shooters?.  Also in the South Burnett were many, many children spawned by white farmers and their sons and part-Aborigine girls and women

Is it the case, then, that a permanent tan of varying shades of lightness or darkness is all that's required to claim Aboriginality and taxpayers' hard earned money?

There are many more claimed 'Aborigines' in Australia than ever existed when the First Fleet landed. And that's saying nothing of the many hundreds/thousands of south-east Asian sea-cucumber gatherers who lived with the Aborigines for months at a stretch long before.  The Dutch, the Chinese and Portuguese, Spanish and Phoenicians also left their seed

It's never addressed.  We see people who have to strive to look Aboriginal in the streets and media all the time. There's money in professing Aboriginality. Isn't it time a person's alleged Aboriginality was put to the test before freebies and other perks are handed-over?

We're talking billions of dollars of tax-payers' money being tossed into the pockets of brewery owners, for one

DNA testing of anyone claiming Aboriginality is easy today.  Why isn't it being utilized?
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