Conservative Muslims carry water for the terrorists then they act all surprised when the bombs go off and the heads start to roll.

Time for cultural Muslims to take control of the religion with an Islamic enlightenment but that's still 500 years away.

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You must referring to Abu's revelations on Islamic etiquette. Do you also recal him claiming that Shites are not actually Muslims and must be treated as apostates? Or ISIS claiming they must deal with the hyocrits before the Jews? This is how Islam got such a stranglehold on the lands first conquered 1400 years ago, and why they went from the most wealthy on earth to the most backwards and oppressive. It is not an invention of Islam's critics. It is an invention of Muslims, the inevitable consequence of a violent and self serving creed and the reality that Muslims have created for themselves, which in a feat of irony you now use to defend Islam.

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Except of course for all the Muslims travelling to the other side of the world to die for the ISIS agenda. And the many more here recruiting for them and supporting them in other ways. Do you think pretending they do not exist, or blaming them on non-Muslims, will make them go away? What about pretending chapter 9 of the Koran is one of the smaller chapters and therefor, through some magical feat of Islamic logic, does not count? Perhaps you could try "move along folks, nothing to do with Islam"?

freediver wrote on Oct 21^st, 2017 at 1:37pm:


Other, less peaceful, hateful and extremist Muslims?  I know it's hard for Islamophobes to differentiate between so-called "good" versus "bad" Muslims, preferring just to lump all Muslims together and wonder why their squabbles become so evident.   Tsk, tsk, bigotry, the great leveller of all hatreds...   

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2017 at 1:42pm:


By what measure are they 'extreme' Brian?

"I'm goin' down there with my hat caved in, do dah, do dah,

Comin' back home with a pocket full o' tin, o do dah day."

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21^st, 2017 at 7:54am:


Muzlims cannot agree on anything except that everyone else is wrong. Why ask infidels for the answer. There is an infection in Islam and you know it. It is uniquely Islamic.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2017 at 2:53pm:


Is that extreme by Muslim standards, or are you projecting?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21^st, 2017 at 7:54am:



It's weird how there are vastly more 'Australian' muslims serving prison sentences for terrorist charges or serving in foreign terrorist organisations. than serving in the ADF fighting terrorism.


Ill bet there is some excuse somewhere, there always is.

Yadda wrote on Oct 21^st, 2017 at 5:20pm:


Yadda the two are exactly the same thing.

Think about it.

freediver wrote on Oct 21^st, 2017 at 8:43am:


ummm.. and I reject such a view mmkay? Who cares FD. I'm sure there are many shiites who think the same about sunnis. The important point here is that if an actual Shiite came along and started sharing his shiite views with you - which should be noted include all the "sinister" Islamic things like believing Muhammad to be the greatest example to mankind and believing in the Quran as the direct word of God (uh oh, chapter 9!) - you would be lecturing him with the same "mindless zombie" routine: you would be mocking him for apologising for the great jewish genocides by Muhammad, mocking him for daring to come up with an explanation of chapter 9 that doesn't involve "gah... kill all infidels" etc etc. But more importantly, we both know that you would also be mocking him for being "compelled" to defend and endlessly apologise for the very people and/or religion who is trying to annihilate him.  And thats my point - whether its shiites or ahmadis or sunnis who don't agree with the terrorists and get targeted by them - it makes no difference with you: apologising for them and their ideology/ pretending they don't exist/blaming them on the west is far more important than actually opposing and condemning people or an ideology who want them dead. And then lecture and mock them for daring to suggest that its an ideology completely ad odds with their own Islamic beliefs. Thats your meme FD, not Abu's and not Chapter 9's


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Yes of course except for those people who support the terrorists. Duh! And who pretends they don't exist? Another strawman tsk tsk

I don't think it's any secret that Muslims don't get along with other Muslims. One of the many issues with Islamic shitholes is one sect of Islam sometimes a powerful minority repressing the other sect.

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I have no idea what point you are trying to make here Gandalf.

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You support it when a Muslim kills 800 innocent Jews in a single day.

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2017 at 7:43am:



Fixed 

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2017 at 11:45am:

Do you personally know all the Muslims who kill other Muslims, big thick?

No. Yet they are murdering each other for Allah, completely unaware of your sorry existence.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2017 at 12:34pm:

I just enjoy showing up your idiocies.
So do you know personally all the Muslims who are killing each other?  Do you need to know personally every fanatic before you can say they are fanatics, big thick? Explain yourself.

List of Killings in the Name of Islam: From 1/1/2017 to 21/10/2017 can be found here

During this time period, there were 1694 Islamic attacks in 57 countries, in which 11910 people were killed and 12246 injured.

All because muhammad told them they will get a truckload of hour'is and little boys, if they are one of allahs' butchers, killing corrupt muslims and kafirs.

Yet the so called moderates and their apologists are happy with this maiming and death toll, as the only way to stop it is to acknowledge parts of the qur'an are utterly evil, they simply can't bring themselves to mouth this one simple truth, so innocent men women and children will continue to die.

why?

Because allah hates them and wants the good muslims to kill them as a test.

Brian do you personally know any Muslims who reject the claim that the best Muslims are the ones who kill and die in the name of Allah?

freediver wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2017 at 7:54pm:


Yes.  Do you?  Oh, that's right, you don't know any Muslims, personally, do you, FD?  Tsk, tsk. 

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2017 at 11:23pm:


Exactly.

We read about them bombing civilian targets every second month or so, don't we?

The problem is - the Koran's New 'testament' is even more vile than the Bible's Old Testament. The Koran's abrogated passages are way more peaceful and tolerant than what was written at a later time.

Do you see the problem, Brian?

The shiny new bits of the Koran are an exhortation to violence, while the Bible's Old Testament is regarded as defunct and morally out of step with modern values.

Is it becoming a little more clear to you now?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-21/suicide-bombers-kill-at-least-72-people-in...
Suicide bombers have struck two mosques in Afghanistan during Friday prayers, a Shiite mosque in Kabul and a Sunni mosque in western Ghor province, killing at least 72 people.

Key points:

The IS group claimed responsibility for the attack in Kabul, but did not provide evidence
The assailant blew himself up as worshippers began their prayers at the Imam Zaman Mosque
The Afghan President said the country's security forces would step up the fight to eliminate terrorists
The deaths come at the end of a particularly deadly week for the troubled nation.

The Afghan President issued a statement condemning both attacks and saying the country's security forces would step up the fight to "eliminate the terrorists who target Afghans of all religions and tribes".

In the attack in Kabul, a suicide bomber walked into the Imam Zaman Mosque, a Shiite mosque in the western Dashte-e-Barchi neighbourhood, where he detonated his explosives vest, Major General Alimast Momand said.

Fatalities from the attack had risen to 39 dead, with 41 wounded, Afghanistan's Interior Ministry said.

The ministry's press office said in a statement it was investigating the attack at the Imam Zaman Mosque.

It also said the assailant blew himself up as worshippers began their prayers.

The Islamic State (IS) group later claimed responsibility for the attack, but did not provide evidence.

The suicide bombing in Ghor province struck a Sunni mosque — also during Friday prayers — and killed 33 people, including a warlord who was apparently the target of the attack, said spokesman for the provincial chief of police Mohammad Iqbal Nizami.

No group immediately claimed responsibility for the attack, the latest in a devastating week that saw Taliban attacks kill scores across the country.

In the Kabul attack, witness Ali Mohammad said the mosque was packed with worshippers, both men and women praying at the height of the Muslim week.





I think gandalf is making a point...


havent you noticed  terrorist dont hit govts .

its just random.. 20 here 50 there... now a 100...like fleas on a dog.....maybe instead of fighting each other we got together to fight the real common terrorist..who knows no religion or allegiance to anyone only themselves..

Justsayno wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2017 at 8:53am:


Over the years I have known quite a few, JSN.   I have served in the Army with, studied with, taught and worked with many different Muslims from many different countries from Australia to Pakistan.   All have been nice, reasonable and well assimilated people.   What about you?  How many do you know?   And of course, the corollary question, how do you know them?

Justsayno wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2017 at 3:25pm:


I wonder how you come to that conclusion, JSN?

I'll say it again.  You can move your lips if you like while reading it this time.  Keep doing it until you understand what I have said:

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Now, where do you think most of that took place, JSN?   I have never claimed to serve outside of Australia while in the army (I was in during the decade of Continental Defence).  I have known some Muslims overseas but most of those I have encountered have been here in Australia.  Some came from Indonesia/Malaysia/Bangladesh/India and Pakistan.   Is that clearer for you?   

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2017 at 4:57pm:




didnt David Hicks meet Osama bin Laden  I am almost sure he found him to be  charming...

Justsayno wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2017 at 6:09pm:


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   I have never attended the Master of Defence Studies at the ANU.  Indeed, I wasn't even aware that the ANU offered such a course.  I did mine at University College, UNSW (ADFA) in 1987-1989.   It appears you are mistaken, JSN.  Now, if you had asked me, where I had done my MDefStdy degree, I'd have told you.   

As for the "rank" which I had attained when I did the course, I didn't need any "rank" at the time.  I undertook the course as a Civilian, not a serving member.   My highest in the Army was that of Sergeant.   I had no pretensions nor desires to become an Orificer.   

As for the numbers of Muslims I have known over the last 30+ years, they number far more than I suspect you've known.  Am I right?   

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2017 at 6:36pm:


You never made the grade then Brian.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2017 at 11:22pm:


How do you know this Brian? I have never seen a person more afraid than you to discuss the pointier aspect of Islam with Muslims.

Would you say that these Muslim you know reject this saying?

https://quran.com/4/95-96

Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2017 at 7:06pm:


Really?  Amazing as I am sure you've never seen me discuss Islam seriously with anybody, FD, so I'm completely nonplussed to find that you suggest you had.  Tsk, tsk.  Assumptions, assumptions.  So, how many Muslims do you personally know, FD?  I note you've never answered that direct question.  I wonder why?  Indeed, I wonder why?   Tsk, tsk, you keep reading your Q'ran, FD.   It's a shame you don't have the learning to understand it.   

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2017 at 7:21pm:




Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, Freediver, I really don't know why you bother. All you spout is your usual Islamophobia.  Your failure to answer questions but ask them is legendary.  Until you tell us how many Muslims you personally know, we are going no where.  So, off to you, FD.   Lets see some more obfuscation and diversions, shall we?   It's is what you're really good at.   

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2017 at 7:37pm:


Because I have asked it and asked it and you've failed to answer it, Freediver.   Until you do, I will have to assume (ah, that word again!) that you don't know any Muslims, personally.  Funny that, ignorance until illumination.  Until you tell me, lets just leave it as a great big fat, "No," shall we?  Tsk, tsk.  Hey, FD.    

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2017 at 10:33pm:


Very carefully.

Justsayno wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2017 at 7:15pm:


You never made the grade to sit on your arse for 2 years at a uni paid for by the army, got it now Brian?

Found a way to extricate yourself from the above yet Charlatan?   
Should I engage in your foolish ways Brian and denigrate you further with.......  

Pick a side, pussies.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21^st, 2017 at 7:54am:

Well, they don't seem to suffer enough from it to make them stop perpetrating it. The old tribal spirit seems to over-ride everything when the fighting season starts in the tribal badlands of the 'Muslim lands'.


Islam is codifying the endless tribal rivalries of the Arabs and all the others they have infected with Islamic feudal 'honour' culture.  There is no Islamic society you ant to emulate unless you are a warmongering warlord.  Why? Because of Mohammed and the Koran set the example for Islamic societies.

Deviating from the Koran and Mohammed is the only way to salvation for Muslims. Apostasy is the answer. Let the light in, Muslims.

muzzies cop most of it, oh well allah is happy.

muslims just gotta go and kill
allah said that's his will
kill a mushreekin or someones' kid
muzzies say allah's glad they did

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27^th, 2017 at 11:08pm:

  You are actually proud of your inanity!!!!!

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21^st, 2017 at 7:54am:

Well, they don't seem to suffer enough from it to make them stop perpetrating it. The old tribal spirit seems to over-ride everything when the fighting season starts in the tribal badlands of the 'Muslim lands'.


Islam is codifying the endless tribal rivalries of the Arabs and all the others they have infected with Islamic feudal 'honour' culture.  There is no Islamic society you ant to emulate unless you are a warmongering warlord.  Why? Because of Mohammed and the Koran set the example for Islamic societies.

Deviating from the Koran and Mohammed is the only way to salvation for Muslims. Apostasy is the answer. Let the light in, Muslims.

Frank wrote on Oct 28^th, 2017 at 5:41pm:


We all are, old boy, we all are.

Frank wrote on Oct 28^th, 2017 at 7:48pm:


Yes, but you're happy when anyone gets it, old boy.

It is a jolly world, no?

Frank wrote on Oct 28^th, 2017 at 8:18pm:


Don't forget the tinted races!

Inferior culture, innit.

Justsayno wrote on Nov 6^th, 2017 at 4:07pm:




That was not the case in the late 1980s, JSN.  Funny that. hey?   Oh, well, back to your silly games, little boy.  I'm sure there are some other Grade Ones you can bully in the schoolyard.   Tsk, tsk.   

Egypt mosque death toll rises to 305

So sorry to interrupt you with yet another "pathetic attempt to drum up sympathy for Islam"...

Of course as issue would say, these murdered "stupid people"- men women and children, only have themselves to blame, and deserve no sympathy. If only they had stopped "murdering people for Allah" eh?

As Yadda likes to tell us, every single muslim is a latent wannabe psychopathic murderer. So... you know...

Yes, they do - which shows how different they are from us.... 'Christians' don't run around blowing up 305 people in a church... might have happened in the Deep South a few years back, and I don't recall the IRA or the UDA bombing churches.  Start bumping off Cat'lics in churches in Ulster and soon you'll be praying with bombs in your Prod churches.... once you start down that road, it's a big no-no, since there are so many churches and in Islam they are always crowded.

There is a little mosque,
Not Far Away,
Where all the Mussos pray,
Five Times A Day.

When you see that bomber come,
With his truck so big and fat,
Then you'll see the Mussos pray,
Five Times A Day.

The Quran states in several places that the best Muslims are the ones who kill and die in the cause of Allah.

freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2017 at 6:26pm:

That's a mistranslation due to malicious Islamophobia. In the classical Arabic the real meaning is that the best Muslims are metrosexual vegan social justice warriors for Allah and will get 72 raisins or currants in paradise where they will bake Eccles cakes with them for all eternity.

We all know Muslims kill Muslims and we all know most Muslims killing Muslims are in the Middle East.

So your point would be what Gandalf?

It's ok for Muslims to kill Muslims?

The West is ignorant of the fact that Muslims kill Muslims?

It's not ok for Muslims to kill Muslims?

Only killing some Muslims is ok?

There are good Muslims and bad Muslims?

There are only good Muslims and Muslims that kill are not really Muslims?

Islam is at war with itself?

Islam is at war with the West?

Islam and Muslims are at war with non-Muslims?

Just what are you on about?

Grendel wrote on Nov 28^th, 2017 at 9:21am:


I think his point is that no matter what is going on, you can always create a narrative that paints Muslims as victims.

freediver wrote on Nov 26^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:


I wish you would FD, but no doubt you will continue to blame both. Even as devout and peaceful muslims are slaughtered in their hundreds for their peaceful and tolerant views on Islam - I have no doubt you will continue to undermine them, mock and deride them for "lying" about their beliefs and attempting to pull the wool over your eyes, and generally just doing nothing but performing taqqiya for sinister purposes. Because you know, we're all just a mindless collective secretly in love with ISIS right?

Or perhaps you will prove me wrong FD - perhaps you will start defending the muslims who stand for a peaceful and tolerant Islam - and frequently pay for it with their lives. Perhaps you will stop mocking them as liars and purveyors of taqqiya, and acknowledging them as sincere and on our side. Perhaps you might even stop pretending terrorism is something other than overwhelmingly attacks against other muslims (ie nothing but muslims trying to take away white people's freeeeeedom). But I'm not holding my breath.