A simple statement, clearly true, but a major problem for some people.
freediver wrote on Oct 15
th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islamic_Incest_Ratchet#Rates_of_in...Perhaps because it is at the root of the spread of Islam. Muhammad had very little success with his religion until he started killing people and getting rich through stealing.
Brian for example:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15
th, 2017 at 5:12pm:
In a single word, bullshit, FD. Total and utter bullshit. First the Mongols, then the British created empires which were larger in both land area and population than what was captured by the Muslims.
This got so embarrassing that even Gandalf stepped in to correct Brian:
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 19
th, 2017 at 7:08am:
that had ever existed Brian, or in other words up until that time. The mongol empire came after the caliphate. Sorry to say FD is right - he never claimed the caliphate was bigger than the mongol empire.
Of course, this is not what Brian was confused about. Brian thought (or at least claimed to think) that the Mongol Empire came before the Caliphate.
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15
th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said. In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.
Of course, Brian ignored any questions about when the Mongol empire was established, but eventually produced this map, which shows the date of the Mongol empire (about 600 years after the Caliphate) as well as its size:
Other than that, Brian has refused to discuss the dates. Brian decided at some point that asking him when the Mongol empire was established was a form of bullying:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17
th, 2017 at 5:53pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, poor, poor, FD. Sorry, bullying doesn't work with me.
At about the same time, in a different thread, I pointed out another inconvenient fact:
freediver wrote on Oct 15
th, 2017 at 9:25am:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14
th, 2017 at 11:37am:
You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam. Shame it is a bit of a fantasy and that the west has been a bit of a slut and whore. The most recent example being the weapons of mass deception and the second Iraq war. Which has as direct consequence the creation of Isis.
That is literally what happened. Remember, when Islam came onto the scene, the west was the wealthiest region on earth and stretched from Iraq to Spain. What we think of as the west today is the bit that Islam failed to destroy. For most of that history Europe was trying to stop Muslims raiding it for sex slaves. They were only succesful in this fairly recently.
That you try to equate setting up democracy in Iraq with the centuries of rape and pillage just demonstrates your inability to put it into perspective. It is pretty much the opposite. When the Muslims attacked, they were there to stay, and to destroy what was previously a relatively liberal way of life.
Western civilisation never recovered it's living standards under the rule of Islam. It was not until the industrial revolution, which occurred on what was previously the fringe of civilisation, that the west regained the standard of living not seen since the Romans in the west nearly 2000 years earlier. While the west was being bled dry by Islam, China (Song Dynasty) overtook the west's lead for the first time in human history, reaching similar standards of living to the Romans (but not exceeding them). Remember, this was several centuries after Muhammad.
Brian's response was earily similar - come out accusing others of lying in a desperate attempt to defend Islam, while lying about the timeline:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15
th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15
th, 2017 at 9:25am:
Remember, when Islam came onto the scene, the west was the wealthiest region on earth and stretched from Iraq to Spain.
Another piece of bullshit, FD. Tsk, tsk, China was the wealthiest region on Earth. Europe was in the doldrums, just having left the Dark Ages. Under Roman rule, Europe, coupled with Northern Africa and the Middle East was even then, less wealthy than China.
Then it got even more absurd. Brian tried to exclude north africa from western civilisation (Egypt, anyone?) and try to pass off Spain (conquered by muslims) and Italy (whose coastline was depopulated by Muslims capturing sex slaves) as the periphery of Europe, even though France had only been brought under settled civilisation less than 1000 years earlier, and Germany even later.
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15
th, 2017 at 10:29pm:
Muslims did not rule the West, FD, no matter how you attempt to paint it so. Muslims only ruled the middle-east and the periphery of Europe (for short periods). Europe was ruled by Europeans for most of it's history.
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