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Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy
Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:04pm
 
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Days After Sentencing 3 Ahmadi Muslims To Death, Pakistan Wins UN Human Rights Seat


When posters abusing and calling for the social boycott of Ahmadi Muslims were plastered in a Pakistani village, four Ahmadis decided to remove them from their Mosque. In retrospect, it was a bad decision. Just five days ago, a Pakistani court handed three of them the death sentence for “blasphemy” (for tearing down “religious posters”). The fourth one? just a few days after his arrest, he was gunned down while in police custody.

This kind of blasphemy sentence is not an anomaly. It is a small glimpse into the systematic and state-sponsored persecution of Ahmadi Muslims across the country

Since the inception of these laws, over a hundred Ahmadiyya Mosques have either been sealed by the State, or burned down or forcibly taken over by extremist mobs

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/days-after-sentencing-three-ahmadi-muslims-...


Pakistan considers the Ahmadis to be deviant heretical non muslims.

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Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy
Reply #1 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 3:49pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
Pakistan considers the Ahmadis to be deviant heretical non muslims.


So do most other Muslims, Baron.  Unfortunately, their key belief in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as the Promised Messiah and Mahdi, as prophesied by the Islamic prophet Muhammad, runs counter to the main thinking of mainstream Islam.   It is akin to believing that Saint Paul was the true messiah for the Christians...    Roll Eyes
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Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy
Reply #2 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 4:30pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:04pm:

Pakistan considers the Ahmadis to be deviant heretical non muslims.



So do most other Muslims, Baron.  Unfortunately, their key belief in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as the Promised Messiah and Mahdi, as prophesied by the Islamic prophet Muhammad, runs counter to the main thinking of mainstream Islam.   It is akin to believing that Saint Paul was the true messiah for the Christians...    Roll Eyes

Absolute B.S. Paul was always loyal to his LORD.  "Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,"





'Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy'


Off with their heads!!

Heretical scum!




"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65


"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger [i.e. the clerics today], and make not vain your deeds!"
Koran 47:33



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"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."



ISLAMIC religious scholar, Sayyid Qutb



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"What makes Allah happy?

Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."




....and the heretics!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy
Reply #3 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 4:50pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
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Days After Sentencing 3 Ahmadi Muslims To Death, Pakistan Wins UN Human Rights Seat


When posters abusing and calling for the social boycott of Ahmadi Muslims were plastered in a Pakistani village, four Ahmadis decided to remove them from their Mosque....

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/days-after-sentencing-three-ahmadi-muslims-...


Pakistan considers the Ahmadis to be deviant heretical non muslims.






MAINSTREAM ISLAM, CALLS FOR ACTIVE SOCIAL OSTRACISM, AND ACTIVE HOSTILITY AND VIOLENCE, BY MOSLEMS,
TOWARDS EVERY 'DISBELIEVER'

....BY ALL MEMBERS, OF EVERY RIGHTEOUS MOSLEM COMMUNITY.


THE RELIGIOUS PRECEPTS AND DOCTRINES OF ISLAM PROMOTE COMMUNITY DIVISION AND THE SOCIAL ALIENATION OF, AND HOSTILITY AND VIOLENCE TOWARDS, those "who resist Allah and His Messenger"
[unless a person submits to ISLAM's own strictures - e.g. like agreeing to the murdering of those who reject ISLAM's authority]




Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1504079978/14#14
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'Teacher quits after primary school students threaten to behead her'


QUESTION;
Where do moslem children     living in Australia      get these ideas from ?






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"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22


"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy
Reply #4 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 5:08pm
 
Reforming Islam
Can it be done?
Tanveer Ahmed

15 April 2017

The Koran was placed on the highest possible level in my household. It was a mark of awe that the Holy Book should sit on the top of the book shelf. By the time I was a teenager, I was expected to perform a purification ritual, wudu, before reading it. Menstruating women were not allowed to touch it.

I was always encouraged to read it in Arabic, because otherwise I would not understand the true meaning of the text, or so I was told. This was also the response from clerics or mullahs if questions about uncomfortable passages encouraging the killing of unbelievers, hitting women or executing homosexuals arose. I had to understand the root words in Arabic before I could offer any opinions.

This has always been the way with all structures of authority. Control of the language and terminology is a way of maintaining power. Catholic priests did the same with Latin and the Bible. But then along came the printing press and Luther, smashing up the old hierarchies. Suddenly information spread like wildfire, books were easily printed in other languages and illiterate people had motivation to learn to read. Soon they could read the text of the Bible and decide for themselves, upending previous hierarchies.

While the Reformation is considered a problematic word in Islam, because Wahhabism and the nation of Saudi Arabia are considered the products of an equivalent purification of Islam, the reform of Islam may be driven by the internet.

British ex-Muslim Maryam Namazie says that the internet is helping to unshackle Muslim atheists, previously hiding in the midst of their respectable, pious brethren. Translation software is allowing for much easier textual understanding and investigation of so called Arabic root words. When scepticism or unbelief takes hold, unbelievers have access to an available online community of support.

‘This has brought with it courage and hope for the right to live as they choose. It’s become a global resistance movement,’ writes Namazie.

The development represents a major threat to the stability and hierarchy of Islamic countries. The Saudis are taking it very seriously with authorities equating atheism with terrorism in new laws. In Egypt, the highest Sunni authority has joined forces with the youth ministry to combat rising expressions of atheism. Apostasy is punishable by death in at least thirteen Islamic countries with many more carrying offences like flogging and imprisonment.

Nor are such attitudes limited to beyond our shores. As recent footage of a Hizb ut-Tahrir meeting in Sydney illustrates, there is no shortage of locally based Muslims who agree that apostates must be killed in Islam. Their escape clause is that this should occur only in an ideal Islamic state, which Australia thankfully falls short of.

Such legalistic technicalities were not necessary for my Uber driver namesake who travelled hundreds of kilometres from Northern England to kill an Ahmadi shopkeeper, Asad Shah, residing in Glasgow. That Tanveer Ahmed is now a hero in his native Pakistan for upholding Islamic values by killing heretics. A rally of support for his actions was held earlier this year.

That such tensions are simmering within Muslim communities is a measure of the genuine desire of many to implement needed reform. But the vast bulk of support from Western governments and media outlets are aimed at aiding so called moderate, religious Muslims; most of whom fall into the apologist category. Supporting atheists from Islam is politically incorrect, because authorities and respectable pundits do not want to be accused of encouraging Muslims to leave the religion. Furthermore, as we’ve just seen with the cancellation of Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s trip, even reasonably held atheist views from Islam are seen as threatening, insensitive and demeaning to religious Muslims. This is one of the biggest barriers to the reform of Islam, that Muslim identity is so tightly wrapped up in the expression of self. We may see hijabs and beards as external markers but they are fashion accessories to an inner outfit of historical injustice, moral superiority and a barely disguised middle finger to Anglo-Saxon, mainstream Australia.

For decades Muslims have protested that any legitimate criticism of Israel is deflected by Jews with accusations of anti-semitism. But now Muslims have jumped on the bandwagon themselves with the term Islamophobia used as a defence against the scrutiny of the set of ideas that is Islam.

The result is often an unsophisticated debate veering from proclamations that Islam is a falsely maligned religion of peace to more antagonistic voices demanding bans on Muslim immigration. By aggressively crowding out the most informed Islamic reformers, like Hirsi Ali or British thinker Maajid Nawaz, defensive Muslims are rewarded with the likes of Wilders, Trump or Hanson.

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Reply #5 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 5:10pm
 
But Islamic reform depends upon having a large variety of voices and thinkers in the tent varying from feminists, gays and atheists. The notion of an atheist or cultural Muslim has traditionally been a joke, an oxymoron in Islam, but it is time for this new category. As the Canadian-Pakistani physician illustrates in his book The Atheist Muslim, the vast majority of Muslims completely reject the passages in the Koran encouraging the hitting of women, executing homosexuals or killing apostates. But in their rejection they are usually limited to intellectual gymnastics about the passages lacking context because Muslims still believe the text as the word of God. The implications of the way most Muslims behave is that they do not actually believe the Koran being the literal word of God. As Rizvi notes, religious believers all self select their views within certain confines.

There are many cafeteria Catholics who ignore the faith’s teachings around abortion and contraception but retain their Catholic identities. Likewise many Jews openly reject belief in an Abrahamic God but are committed to traditions like Passover. Judaism progressed from questioning the Torah as being the word of God to accepting that it was created by men with divine inspiration.

Figures like Hirsi Ali have changed their attitudes to reform, believing that it’s important to be in the tent with Muslims, whereas previously she was resigned to abandoning the religion altogether. But any progress still depends upon Muslims giving up such a space and not seeing atheists as existential threats. There is only a flicker of such attitudinal change thus far.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/04/reforming-islam/

So can it be done? No. Islam can bee abandoned but reforming is only possible if the ideas that the Koran is the eternal, perfect and unalterable word of god is rejected. But then if that idea is rejected, Mohammed's 'final prophethood' has to be also rejected.

After that,  what is left of Islam??

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Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy
Reply #6 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 5:34pm
 
when I read stuff like this   I am glad I am NOT religious...

if you kill in the name of GOD...all I ask is

what kind of GOD is that?>.. Sad Sad Sad
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Reply #7 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:36pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
Pakistan considers the Ahmadis to be deviant heretical non muslims.


So do most other Muslims, Baron.  Unfortunately, their key belief in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as the Promised Messiah and Mahdi, as prophesied by the Islamic prophet Muhammad, runs counter to the main thinking of mainstream Islam.   It is akin to believing that Saint Paul was the true messiah for the Christians...    Roll Eyes


Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them.
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Reply #8 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:47pm
 
The Muslims are suffering their own Inquisition just

as Christians did under the Roman Catholics.


THE TRUE FACE OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INQUISITION --
ROTTEN SPIRITUAL FRUIT FROM THE ABYSS OF HELL

Since history books have been largely rewritten,
few people know specific details of this murderous campaign that lasted over 1,200 years,
killing 75 million people.
But, once you understand the unprecedented horrors of the Inquisition,
you will never look at Roman Catholicism the same way again.

...

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1676.cfm
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Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy
Reply #9 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
Pakistan considers the Ahmadis to be deviant heretical non muslims.


So do most other Muslims, Baron.  Unfortunately, their key belief in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as the Promised Messiah and Mahdi, as prophesied by the Islamic prophet Muhammad, runs counter to the main thinking of mainstream Islam.   It is akin to believing that Saint Paul was the true messiah for the Christians...    Roll Eyes


Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them.


Kill the Munchkins where ever you find them?  Really, FD?   Roll Eyes
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Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy
Reply #10 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:50pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:16pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
Pakistan considers the Ahmadis to be deviant heretical non muslims.


So do most other Muslims, Baron.  Unfortunately, their key belief in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as the Promised Messiah and Mahdi, as prophesied by the Islamic prophet Muhammad, runs counter to the main thinking of mainstream Islam.   It is akin to believing that Saint Paul was the true messiah for the Christians...    Roll Eyes


Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them.



Kill the Munchkins where ever you find them?  Really, FD?   Roll Eyes



Yep.

Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them.


Even in the UK, even in Australia.

Wherever you find them.



Allah loves a bit of blood letting.


Quote:

"What makes Allah happy?

Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."


- UK ISLAMIC community leader 'in-house' advice to his flock.


Watch the whole documentary;


Google;
dispatches undercover mosque, channel 4, -Return



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"You're never too young to be a homicidal maniac for Allah!"






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Muslims brainwash children in Australia
  -------- >   goto 43 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E






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Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them.

Even in Australia.


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1504079978/14#14
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'Teacher quits after primary school students threaten to behead her'


QUESTION;
Where do moslem children living in Australia get these ideas from ?






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IMAGE.....
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Melbourne atrocity, committed by a 'Greek' person claiming that...

"Muslim faith is the correct faith according to the whole world.....

And I am not guilty."


.....n.b.        the dropkick who did this, considers himself to be a virtuous person.


Killing the disbeliever [to the moslem], is performing 'good works' for his faith.

Killing the disbeliever, is what all of the religious precepts of ISLAM direct him to do.




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QUESTION;
When will the next       avoidable      atrocity in Australia occur ?


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Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy
Reply #11 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:20pm
 
Yadda wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:16pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
Pakistan considers the Ahmadis to be deviant heretical non muslims.


So do most other Muslims, Baron.  Unfortunately, their key belief in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as the Promised Messiah and Mahdi, as prophesied by the Islamic prophet Muhammad, runs counter to the main thinking of mainstream Islam.   It is akin to believing that Saint Paul was the true messiah for the Christians...    Roll Eyes


Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them.



Kill the Munchkins where ever you find them?  Really, FD?   Roll Eyes



Yep.

Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them.


Kill the Munchkins where ever you find them?  Really, Yadda?   Roll Eyes

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Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy
Reply #12 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:42pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:20pm:
Yadda wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:16pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
Pakistan considers the Ahmadis to be deviant heretical non muslims.


So do most other Muslims, Baron.  Unfortunately, their key belief in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as the Promised Messiah and Mahdi, as prophesied by the Islamic prophet Muhammad, runs counter to the main thinking of mainstream Islam.   It is akin to believing that Saint Paul was the true messiah for the Christians...    Roll Eyes


Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them.



Kill the Munchkins where ever you find them?  Really, FD?   Roll Eyes



Yep.

Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them.



Kill the Munchkins where ever you find them?  Really, Yadda?   Roll Eyes




Yep, kill disbelievers, wherever you find them.

In ISLAM, disbelief is a capital crime.

In places that enforce ISLAMIC law, it is completely lawful to execute,
1/ disbelievers
2/ apostates,
3/ blasphemers,
4/ any person who is deemed to have 'insulted' ISLAM.


e.g.
brian,

Do you remember the Mohammed Teddy Bear incident, in the Sudan, a few years ago ?

Where an English woman was working as a school teacher in the Sudan.

And she suggested to her pupils, the name 'Mohammed' for a toy Teddy Bear that she had, in the classroom.

This English woman was arrested, and local moslems held street protests calling for her to be beheaded, for insulting the Messenger of Allah.


'Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them.'




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #13 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:51pm
 


'Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them.'





Sudanese teddy bear blasphemy case - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_teddy_bear_blasphemy_case

The Sudanese teddy bear blasphemy case concerns the 2007 arrest, trial, conviction,....Unity High School in Khartoum, Sudan.
She was convicted of insulting Islam by allowing her class of six-year-olds to name a teddy bear "Muhammad".



Off with the heads of all blasphemers !!!!
         Angry         Angry

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #14 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 3:46pm
 
Where is the international pressure? Ditto for the world's silence on the Saudi destruction of Yemen. Why isn't Rex Tillerson or Julie Bishop on their moral high horse over this? The cold hard truth is no one wants to apply any serious pressure on Pakistan because the US so desperately needs it to prosecute the war in Afghanistan. These atrocities will continue so long as the world remains silent, and complicit in them.
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