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Reply #30 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:33pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:32pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:06pm:
There is no greater crisis in men's homeless services. In Sydney, they're funded about 3:1 compared to women & children's homeless services.


You serious?

Women get priority for public housing, they get to live with relatives/friends more often and still are defined as homeless (that's reality), there are large numbers of 'refuges' for women, and they get all this because they are considered to be more at risk on the streets than men.

That old Aussie Digger can live under a tree in the rain, but the little woman has to have shelter.  that's the way it's been since 1788... and unless we grow up as a society, it will always remain that way - based entirely on discrimination and prejudice
(both of which just happen to play into the hands of 'government' of privilege intent on preservation of their own status above all else and which process relies on discrimination, prejudice and privilege being established and maintained... get with the program here)....


The ONLY reason there are more places for street MEN is because there are many more of them - the women are in public housing etc long before it gets to that.

https://goodmenproject.com/good-feed-blog/why-are-men-more-likely-to-be-homeless...


I'm serious. Check it out. I'm referring to primary homeless services.

Public housing is not a homeless service.
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Reply #31 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:35pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 1:57pm:
cods wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 1:52pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:28pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
It's not me who argues about reciprocal violence in relationships - it's any number of studies.....

Anyone in a relationship knows that violence is always two ways - pretty much the same as the issues in relationships are... funny how that works.... two consenting adults (by allegation anyway).... tends to always be two way.  Cool

For those women who DO move from one abusive relationship to another..... I think Karnal has a point.  If there is any victim blaming' it is the victim doing it to herself... the reasons are countless but often to do with not having a firm grounding when young...

As a mental health professional (snuckles) you must have heard of the victim/oppressor/ rescuer cycle... some women and men do it all their lives.....



I got as far as "violence is always two way" then gave up.

No point.

I might not go as far to say that it's always two ways,... but the fact that some women tend to like bad-boys is not to be dimsissed.

Of course this is a very difficult subject to talk about,... as all difficult subjects are: but not all men are pigs.

Evil exists and some women sleep with it. Some men certainly are pigs just like some women.




sadly very true....but walking away from them  wont change that...I often wish we could sterilise some of these men and women   they should never be allowed to reproduce...

I happen to, like pigs.. so not sure about that word...

lets call DV a CRIME....stop messing around with words...trying to pretend its sort of ok....until it gets to the "dead" bit then we call it a crime.. Angry

It's already called a crime: stop being an empty-headed ball-cutter your whole life!


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Re: The domestic violence situation
Reply #32 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:37pm
 
babs wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:35pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 1:57pm:
cods wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 1:52pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:28pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
It's not me who argues about reciprocal violence in relationships - it's any number of studies.....

Anyone in a relationship knows that violence is always two ways - pretty much the same as the issues in relationships are... funny how that works.... two consenting adults (by allegation anyway).... tends to always be two way.  Cool

For those women who DO move from one abusive relationship to another..... I think Karnal has a point.  If there is any victim blaming' it is the victim doing it to herself... the reasons are countless but often to do with not having a firm grounding when young...

As a mental health professional (snuckles) you must have heard of the victim/oppressor/ rescuer cycle... some women and men do it all their lives.....



I got as far as "violence is always two way" then gave up.

No point.

I might not go as far to say that it's always two ways,... but the fact that some women tend to like bad-boys is not to be dimsissed.

Of course this is a very difficult subject to talk about,... as all difficult subjects are: but not all men are pigs.

Evil exists and some women sleep with it. Some men certainly are pigs just like some women.




sadly very true....but walking away from them  wont change that...I often wish we could sterilise some of these men and women   they should never be allowed to reproduce...

I happen to, like pigs.. so not sure about that word...

lets call DV a CRIME....stop messing around with words...trying to pretend its sort of ok....until it gets to the "dead" bit then we call it a crime.. Angry

It's already called a crime: stop being an empty-headed ball-cutter your whole life!


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Who can?

Death also makes compelling points.
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Reply #33 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:42pm
 
oh yes i totally agree with that  Roll Eyes - sorry not sorry
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Reply #34 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:45pm
 
Bogie - where are your examples of women with children living in cars to escape domestic violence?

Karnal - I researched this years ago, and the facts are as I've stated.  The reality is that while there may be one-night accommodations more readily available for men - Mathew Talbot or whatever - the reason for that is that women receive preference in public housing and have any number of refuges to go to, and there are far fewer homeless women than men in reality.

Let me take you by the hand, and walk you through the streets of Sydney... I'll show you something that's bound to change your mind.......

My dear child - I've BEEN homeless after a lifetime of hard work, and owning two homes..... due to a number of circumstances but mostly related to the unreliability of women and their often certified insanity .... I've told the story before - split with my children's mother who is cousin to a Hollywood director,  sold my then home to fund my children's future and started out again.... a couple of years later married a woman who worked for the State Premier, who turned out (not the Premier but that's arguable if you know the d1ck - he's probably just a creature of opportunity for self) to be a schizophrenic on meds, which only become apparent when she stopped them.

Two homes - two gone - then collapse of the company where I was earning the equivalent rate of pay as a backbencher was, then a serious injury that put me on crutches and walking stick for three years during which nobody wanted to know me, then illness....

Do NOT question me about homeless men v homeless women.  I've been there and I can assure you the vast majority are men, and there are precious little spaces for them - certainly not in the long term.

Now I'm back on my feet - took a lot of work and nearly killed me - but I will say it again - women are considered homeless even if they are staying with a friend or relative, they get preference into public housing, and there are many more spaces available for them on a per capita basis than there are for men.

There endeth the lesson.  Lips Sealed
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Reply #35 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:51pm
 
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You are implying that there is a pathology in these (mostly) women that not only enables abuse but could be argued (by someone like Grappler) that violence is somehow reciprocal. Perhaps even hints at an underclass in which family violence is almost to be expected? Certainly suggests that a woman foolish enough to be abused will do so for perpetuity.


there is evidence Mothra that they actually do - unless and until the female recognise what is happening within her- after the first DV relationship she needs to get very sound counselling advice because many of them don't know why they are attracted to abusers- they don't recognise the pattern- she is merely acting out her homelife the relationship between her mum and dad has been normalised- but she doesnt know it- but as with all dv topics in this place men dominate this topic to whitewash mens behaviour these threads go no where and females are shouted down
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Reply #36 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:52pm
 
That's what I just said, Grappler. We agree.

Most of us in this thread are saying the same thing.
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Reply #37 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:58pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:52pm:
That's what I just said, Grappler. We agree.

Most of us in this thread are saying the same thing.


Ah - ten peoples separated by a common language...... I apologise if I bit you too hard...

It's like the Black Revisionist strand in unis etc - you should never judge a book by its Kaffirs....  Wink
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Reply #38 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 11:04pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:52pm:
That's what I just said, Grappler. We agree.

Most of us in this thread are saying the same thing.


Ah - ten peoples separated by a common language...... I apologise if I bit you too hard...

It's like the Black Revisionist strand in unis etc - you should never judge a book by its Kaffirs....  Wink


You did not. We come at this problem from different entry and exit points.

It's refreshing to have a discussion that's not burdened with ideology, but experience.
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Reply #39 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 11:04pm
 
Agnes wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:51pm:
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You are implying that there is a pathology in these (mostly) women that not only enables abuse but could be argued (by someone like Grappler) that violence is somehow reciprocal. Perhaps even hints at an underclass in which family violence is almost to be expected? Certainly suggests that a woman foolish enough to be abused will do so for perpetuity.


there is evidence Mothra that they actually do - unless and until the female recognise what is happening within her- after the first DV relationship she needs to get very sound counselling advice because many of them don't know why they are attracted to abusers- they don't recognise the pattern- she is merely acting out her homelife the relationship between her mum and has been normalised- but she doesnt know it- but as with all dv topics in this place men dominate this topic to whitewash mens behaviour these threads go no where and females are shouted down


It's not just women who do that... read my horror story about life choices in women... ye gods.....

I doubt very much that I 'shout women down' - it's not my fault that the running dogs of feminist mythology re male oppression cannot argue against reality and facts.... if stating the simple truth is 'shouting women down' that's too bad.

You are following the 'Cultural Marxist' approach of blaming and name-calling and pleading victim, rather than discussing the issues.

I was in hospital for a day visit the other day - the admissions nurse has a daughter who is doing her Ph.D on this kind of stuff - my response?  I'd really like to see her views.... not to criticise but because her mother said she was very fair and factual....

It's not all women who are loopy crazies..... just a few who ruin the barrel for the rest...

Now - the simple reality is that there are women who go from bad to bad, and there are men who do the same.... read below about the schizo wife - my mother was a schizo so I still could not, at that time in my life, work out that this was WRONG for me, and it cost me dearly... savagely is more the word.

Do NOT try this at home....
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Reply #40 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 11:08pm
 
Agnes wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:51pm:
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You are implying that there is a pathology in these (mostly) women that not only enables abuse but could be argued (by someone like Grappler) that violence is somehow reciprocal. Perhaps even hints at an underclass in which family violence is almost to be expected? Certainly suggests that a woman foolish enough to be abused will do so for perpetuity.


there is evidence Mothra that they actually do - unless and until the female recognise what is happening within her- after the first DV relationship she needs to get very sound counselling advice because many of them don't know why they are attracted to abusers- they don't recognise the pattern- she is merely acting out her homelife the relationship between her mum and dad has been normalised- but she doesnt know it- but as with all dv topics in this place men dominate this topic to whitewash mens behaviour these threads go no where and females are shouted down

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Reply #41 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 11:11pm
 
Can't take it, eh?  Sorry 'bout that.. couldn't happen to a nicer poster... but just another traffic accident, drive on, Bro.
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Reply #42 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 11:17pm
 
Another thing, Grappler, men do tend to be lonlier than women. I don't know why this is, but I think it also goes back to 1788.
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Reply #43 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 11:28pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 11:17pm:
Another thing, Grappler, men do tend to be lonlier than women. I don't know why this is, but I think it also goes back to 1788.


Woman shortage in the First Fleet?  By Jeez that bosun's looking better by the day...... arrrgh...

Jokes aside, they do say that men internalise things more and are reluctant to speak out and appear a 'woos', and that women are more likely to play the emotion games required to get stuff in crisis... maybe that's why the streets of Sydney are filled with homeless men.... check out the park near Central or Chinatown some time.... or Hyde Park....... you might find one woman who is clearly 'issued' - the rest are men of a wide range, and I must confess to looking down on them ........ then you could do what I do and hit the Casino and watch the high rollers and wonder about people and society at large..... should not be allowed to free range in the majority....

I laugh off my Homeless Period, saying I was like that journo in the US who went Black to see how he was treated etc..... write books about it etc... got one out online, but not trying to sell.  Don't care as long as people read reality for a change.... and it might help some to wake up a bit.

Oh, BTW.. have contact with a widow of a Veteran of recent conflicts, who killed himself.  He did that.. shut off and went inside.... I know all about that.
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Reply #44 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 11:29pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 11:11pm:
Can't take it, eh?  Sorry 'bout that.. couldn't happen to a nicer poster... but just another traffic accident, drive on, Bro.

No simply made a correction and as you had already quoted it so I reposted-----
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