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Austria is rapidly coming to its senses.
Oct 14th, 2017 at 8:30am
 
Well done Austria!

No immigrants to Austria are 'political' except those who support Islam.

"A 31-year-old career politician has taken the lead in the race for Austrian chancellor in a campaign dominated by immigration, a fear of radical Islam and a lurch to the right".

(PS. Correction:- The journalist's 'spin' when saying ... " .. a fear of radical Islam" is sheer nonsense, of course - and he or she would know it. The Austrians do not want their homeland to become the host of a foreign society growing as aliens within their national borders. It's as simple as that).

Mosques, hijabs, long black smocks, big black beards ~ that's not 'Austria' in any shape or form, and they want their country back from these interlopers.

Good luck to them.

Move them over to Germany. Railroad them there if need be.


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Reply #1 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 8:43am
 
Uniquely, there are now two parties in Austria whose platform is to stop the growth of Islam before it becomes overwhelming and irreversible.

The Freedom Party and the Austrian's People's Party.

It's all up for voting tomorrow.
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Reply #2 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:37am
 
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


I see no difference between Islamophobia and anti-Semitism. They both come from the creation of negative sterotypes.
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Reply #3 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 10:09am
 
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:37am:
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


I see no difference between Islamophobia and anti-Semitism. They both come from the creation of negative sterotypes.


Is it possible to create a 'positive stereotype' for Islam'? Anyone want to take a crack at that?
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Reply #4 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:30am
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 10:09am:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:37am:
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


I see no difference between Islamophobia and anti-Semitism. They both come from the creation of negative sterotypes.


Is it possible to create a 'positive stereotype' for Islam'? Anyone want to take a crack at that?



you do have a good point there..I am sure gweggy will oblige and karmel of course.... and not forgetting YOU bwain.......
I am sure the list will be endless...

it would be so refreshing to have something nice to say..
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Reply #5 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 12:24pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:30am:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 10:09am:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:37am:
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


I see no difference between Islamophobia and anti-Semitism. They both come from the creation of negative sterotypes.


Is it possible to create a 'positive stereotype' for Islam'? Anyone want to take a crack at that?



you do have a good point there..I am sure gweggy will oblige and karmel of course.... and not forgetting YOU bwain.......
I am sure the list will be endless...

it would be so refreshing to have something nice to say..


The silence is deafening, cods.
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Reply #6 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 12:54pm
 
I havent given up yet...gweggy and bwain  would be busy googling

maybe even hoping the burqa will be this years fashion  sensation in  New York...what joy it would bring to their smug little faces... Smiley
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Reply #7 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 1:07pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 12:54pm:
I havent given up yet...gweggy and bwain  would be busy googling

maybe even hoping the burqa will be this years fashion  sensation in  New York...what joy it would bring to their smug little faces... Smiley



Lastone is about, and he / she was the one who made the comment re negative stereotypes.

Cmon lastone, positively stereotype Islam for me.

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Reply #8 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 1:14pm
 
Positive Muslim stereotype: Malala Yousafzai 

is a Pakistani activist for female education and the youngest Nobel Prize laureate. She is known for human rights advocacy, especially education of women and children in her native Swat Valley in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, northwest Pakistan, where the local Taliban had at times banned girls from attending school. Her advocacy has grown into an international movement.

Yousafzai was born in Mingora, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. Her family came to run a chain of schools in the region. Considering Jinnah and Benazir Bhutto as her role models, she was particularly inspired by her father's thoughts and humanitarian work. In early 2009, when she was 11–12, she wrote a blog under a pseudonym for the BBC Urdu detailing her life during the Taliban occupation of Swat. The following summer, journalist Adam B. Ellick made a New York Times documentary about her life as the Pakistani military intervened in the region. She rose in prominence, giving interviews in print and on television, and she was nominated for the International Children's Peace Prize by activist Desmond Tutu.
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Reply #9 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 1:19pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:30am:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 10:09am:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:37am:
Quote:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


I see no difference between Islamophobia and anti-Semitism. They both come from the creation of negative sterotypes.


Is it possible to create a 'positive stereotype' for Islam'? Anyone want to take a crack at that?



you do have a good point there..I am sure gweggy will oblige and karmel of course.... and not forgetting YOU bwain.......
I am sure the list will be endless...

it would be so refreshing to have something nice to say..


Oh, I know. A study was done on people's attitude towards Muslims and refugees. People were surveyed after watching a story that humanised Muslims - an SBS news story that featured images of women and children and interviewed them, giving them a voice. The focus groups overwhealmingly supported Muslim refugees.

The same thing was done with a tabloid current affairs story that dehumanised Muslims: images of women in burqas, bombings, Palestinians in masks throwing rocks at Israeli tanks, etc, etc, etc. The groups overwhealmingly opposed Muslim refugees.

The media has a fundamental role in shaping stereotypes and attitudes, dears. I'd say the most influential positive stereotype for Islam was Muhammed Ali. Ali's values brought converts to Islam on at least 3 continents - the US, Africa and Australia. Islam has been taken up by a number of Aboriginal young men, including Anthony Mundine.

Ali was the most famous conscientious objector, promoting a message of peace at a cost - he lost his title and his livelihood as a boxer. He was nearly jailed. His case came down to one vote on the Supreme Court.

This was Muhammed Ali's jihad - one that referenced Gandhi and Mandela - and it did so in the name of Islam.
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Positive Muslim Stereotype
Queen Rania of Jordan                            ...

Rania Yasin was born on August 31, 1970, in Kuwait to Palestinian parents. A doctor's daughter, she grew up in a comfortable home on the West Bank alongside her two siblings. She received a thoroughly Western education, first at the New English School in Kuwait City and then at the American University in Cairo, where she graduated with a business degree.

Despite the unexpected change in her circumstances, the young queen has taken to her role and is now known for her progressive social and economic agenda She has promoted the creation of child abuse counselling centres "There wasn't even terminology for child abuse when I got involved," she says and fought to end the controversial "honour killings", murders committed by men punishing sisters or daughters who have "dishonoured" their family, often by violating social traditions.

Rania has pushed for education reform, fighting for better school facilities and mandatory English language training. She is also an enthusiastic supporter of the micro-fund movement which provides financial assistance to would-be entrepreneurs. And while some say she has overstepped her bounds, she continues to discuss formerly taboo topics. "The approach should be to talk about it, bring it to the surface not to sweep it under the rug," she insists.
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Reply #11 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 1:52pm
 
Positive Muslim Stereotypes
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/engy-abdelkader/top-ten-list_b_3701579.html

Top Ten List: Muslims Who Save Lives


10. Nadeen Aljijakli, Cleveland, Ohio                                        

Nadeen Aljijakli, 32, is an immigration attorney who runs her own practice in Ohio and New York. Since Syria’s violent conflict erupted in 2011, she has worked on a number of asylum cases representing mothers, doctors, students and activists forced to seek refuge in the U.S.

She distinctly recalls the experience of one client, a mother of six, who organized women to participate in daily peaceful protests demanding freedom and democracy. The woman’s courageous leadership inspired many others to do the same, thus endangering her life.

She was forced to leave behind five children when she sought refuge in the U.S. But, they can now join her in America because Nadeen won her case for asylum.

9. Hyder Gulam, Melbourne, Australia

Hyder Gulam, 38, is a nurse, first responder and relief worker. His are scattered memories of countless lives saved, and those lost in the attempt to do so. The experience has left him with a perpetual appreciation for the sanctity of life, and its fleeting nature.

8. Asmae El Alami, Quincy, Mass.


Asmae El Alami, 22, is an aspiring physician who presently serves as an EMT with Fallon Ambulance Services. She still remembers her first patient with a heart attack:

    “I was still in training... riding third on the ambulance. Shortly after we were dispatched to a call in a nursing home for a “CPR in progress”. The patient was eating dinner, steak to be precise, which he couldn’t cough up and continued blocking his airway which led to his (cardiac) arrest.

    Paramedics were on scene first so when we pulled up, my trainer told me to hop in the back of the paramedic’s truck with them. They asked if I had ever done compressions before, I told them I have only done so on mannequins and they told me to get right to it.

    I did continuous compressions to the hospital while one of the paramedics assisted in ventilations by bagging the patient and the other paramedic administered cardiac medications intravenously. Once we reached the hospital, the patient’s heart began beating on it’s own again.”


7. Nadia Alawa, Boston, Mass.



Two years ago, Nadia, 42, founded NuDay Syria, a disaster relief organization working to provide aid directly to Syrian women and children orphaned by the events ongoing in the country. The organization, whose logo is ‘One Person at a Time, One Humanity Closer,’ grew out of her efforts to build bridges, save lives and inspire hope.

At the start of the conflict, Nadia, a mother to eight homeschooled kids, coordinated several campaigns such as One Coat at a Time, bringing winter coats to thousands of needy Syrian children suffering in winter temperatures. She soon found herself involved with medical relief efforts.

And as her network expanded and the requests for aid grew, Nadia founded NuDay Syria to address the needs she saw unmet. She describes the group’s efforts in the following manner:

    “We began doing huge 40-foot containers filled with medical and humanitarian relief items and were exuberant each time one reached its destination. It was humbling knowing that thousands of people could get some dignity by getting clothed, able to sleep in soft blankets sent from New England or their children could get some temporary relief by playing around with a soccer ball or hugging a teddy bear in addition to the actual medical supplies we send off.”


6. Lila Igram, Austin, Texas



Lila, 46, leads Connecther, a non-profit working to alleviate poverty among women and children around the world. Through its film festival, Girls Impact the World Film Festival, jointly sponsored with the Harvard College Social Innovation Collaborative, Connecther allows young leaders to share their experiences about injustices women and girls confront — from denial of educational opportunities to lacking financial independence to global health issues to forced child marriage to human trafficking - and also discuss potential remedies to those problems.
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Top Ten List: Muslims Who Save Lives


Continued

5. Jomana Qaddour, Arlington, Va.

jomana qaddour

Jomana, 29, is an attorney with a foreign policy think tank in Washington, D.C. where she provides policy analysis on the Middle East.

Together with her father, in 2011, she co-founded Syria Relief & Development, a non-profit dedicated to providing humanitarian relief and medical aid to those suffering in Syria and surrounding countries. Equipped with a U.S. law degree, she serves as a legal adviser to the group on a pro bono basis.

Jomana has volunteered abroad to alleviate the suffering of others too, helping out at refugee camps along the Syrian-Jordanian border, and schools set up by UNICEF.

4. Faris Khan, London, England

faris khan

Faris, 30, works for Save the Children, a humanitarian agency. Stationed at its global office in London, he develops programs to help distribute aid, facilitate education and protect women and children. Right now, he is in Amman, Jordan, on a short-term assignment assisting Syrians at the world’s fourth largest refugee camp in Za’atri. His seventh year as a relief worker, Faris has undertaken similar efforts in Kenya, Nepal and Pakistan.

3. Zillhuma (Huma) Hasan, Clifton, N.J.



Huma Hasan, 47, serves as Executive Director of WAFA House, a NJ domestic violence shelter where Muslim women can escape abusive homes safely, confidentially and without judgment. It respects the religious and cultural needs of its clients while addressing their legal, socio-economic and immigration situations.

When the group is tight on funds, Huma gives to victims from her own pocket quietly. She works weekends and does not turn anyone away. Moreover, Huma does all of this with compassion, patience and genuine caring.

2. Dr. Hoda Eltomi, Boston, Mass.



Hoda, 31, is a physician whose medical practice is affiliated with Harvard, the faculty of which she will soon be joining. She shares the following life-saving experience:

    “On a cold winter night, when I was a resident, a young beautiful pregnant lady was rushed into our triage area by EMS. Within minutes, she started to appear very sick. It became evident quickly that she is losing her baby and needed surgery, blood and blood products urgently.

    She had developed DIC — a condition that requires blood products in order to prevent massive bleeding and death. I will never forget the urgent feeling of literally hundreds of thoughts rushing through my head simultaneously and the tens of phone calls I made in the hour that followed, in order to get the blood to our mall community hospital.

    I ran up and down the hospital, and finally got the products from a distant blood bank in about an hour, meanwhile she got sicker and sicker. I quickly hung them on the pole and started squeezing them so they would get into her body fast enough.

    I was silently praying to God for her recovery, as blood was oozing from every pore of her body. I kept remembering the verse from the Quran that says ‘And whoever saves one life- it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.’

    Then the surgery was over. Her death felt so close, but she survived. In an immense and unique moment of mixed emotions (anxiety, relief, sorrow), it seemed like each member of our team - despite our different backgrounds- had recognized a humbling yet overwhelming appreciation of human life.”

1. Dr. Sarah Kureshi, Washington, D.C.

sarah kureshi

With degrees from Harvard and the Mayo Clinic, Sarah, 34, presently works at Unity Health Care where she provides primary care to a multicultural, urban under-served population. She teaches courses on Global Health and Human Rights at Georgetown.

Sarah feels passionately about community health particularly where it intersects with gender-based violence, human rights and empowerment. She has worked with immigrant populations and trauma survivors including human trafficking victims in New Delhi and the Somali refugee community in Minnesota.

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Positive Islamic Sterotypes

Great Brit roll model: Nadiya Hussain hailed as British muslim role model


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“I’m just as British as anyone else and hope I have proved that”


The mum of three, from Leeds, has also been heralded as a star for young British Muslim women to look up to.
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I can find positive actions of Nazi soldiers too Lastone. It took less than 10 seconds. For example:

A photograph of a Nazi soldier on the wall of a Holocaust survivor’s home is not a common sight. But Quote:
recently, Yisrael Fruman, an 84-year-old survivor who lives in Haifa, hung such a photo on his wall.
Fruman's grandchildren first saw the photo in a feature published in Haaretz five months ago, titled "How a Wehrmacht soldier was recognized as Righteous Among the Nations."
The feature told the unique story of Gerhard Kurzbach, the commander of a workshop for the repair of military vehicles east of Krakow, Poland, who saved many Jews of the nearby Bochnia ghetto from deportations to the camps by hiding them in the workshop. Last December, Kurzbach's family received, on his behalf, the medal and certificate honoring non-Jews who saved Jews during the Holocaust at the Israeli embassy in Germany.

"I'm alive thanks to him," Frumer said last week, "due to Kurzbach, of blessed memory, if one can say that about such a person."


More here: https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/holocaust-remembrance-day/a-survivor-thanks-the-nazi-who-saved-him.premium-1.514163

Despite that positive story (and there are many more), I still negatively stereotype Nazis. How about you, Lastone? Do you have a negative stereotype of Nazis?
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Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:37am:
I see no difference between Islamophobia and anti-Semitism. They both come from the creation of negative sterotypes.


Let's re-phrase that, shall we?

"I see no difference between anti-Islamism and anti-Semitism".

Result?

Huge difference.

The Sacred Texts of Islam contain exhortations against the Infidel that are completely absent in the Jewish Torah.

Beginning to see the picture?

Prior to WWII the Jews were completely innocent of acts of mass-murder against innocent civilian targets. It's too long for me to list the atrocities committed in the name of Islam in recent years to the cries of "Allahu Akbar!"

Is it becoming a little clearer to you now that linking anti-Semitism with anti-Islamism plays upon a very false analogy? No Jew was ever linked to a Holy Text that exhorts all the violent retribution against the un-Believer that the Sacred Text of Islam does.



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Nice try, but no falafel for you today.

Hitler's mob hated the Slavs far more than they did the French or Brits, but they still tried to bomb Britain and France back into the Stone Age.

Have a short rest and then try again.

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Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 2:34pm:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:37am:
I see no difference between Islamophobia and anti-Semitism. They both come from the creation of negative sterotypes.


Let's re-phrase that, shall we?

"I see no difference between anti-Islamism and anti-Semitism".

Result?

Huge difference.

The Sacred Texts of Islam contain exhortations against the Infidel that are completely absent in the Jewish Torah.

Beginning to see the picture?

Prior to WWII the Jews were completely innocent of acts of mass-murder against innocent civilian targets. It's too long for me to list the atrocities committed in the name of Islam in recent years to the cries of "Allahu Akbar!"

Is it becoming a little clearer to you now that linking anti-Semitism with anti-Islamism plays upon a very false analogy? No Jew was ever linked to a Holy Text that exhorts all the violent retribution against the un-Believer that the Sacred Text of Islam does.




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from 1 Samuel 15:3: "This is what the Lord Almighty says ... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey


The Israelites obeyed the word of their lord and committed Genocide, Go back and read your old testament.Because you are wrong.
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I think the state of Südtirol should be returned to Austria. It was taken by the Italians after WW1 but remained German speaking. They should’ve taken only Trentino.
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Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 2:51pm:
Nice try, but no falafel for you today.

Hitler's mob hated the Slavs far more than they did the French or Brits, but they still tried to bomb Britain and France back into the Stone Age.

Have a short rest and then try again.



Are you for Real?
https://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/world-war-2-statistics.asp

The Soviet Union Suffered 25,000,000 war dead, 9,750,000 of those were military.
The British Casualties 450,900 (does not include dominions)
Hitler's mob killed a lot more Slavs.

Please go back and read some history
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Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
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from 1 Samuel 15:3: "This is what the Lord Almighty says ... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey


The Israelites obeyed the word of their lord and committed Genocide, Go back and read your old testament.Because you are wrong.



Own goal.

'Like many desert tribes, the Amalekites were nomadic. Numbers 13:29 places them as native to the Negev, the desert between Egypt and Canaan. The Babylonians called them the Sute, Egyptians the Sittiu, and the Amarna tablets refer to them as the Khabbati, or “plunderers.”

'The Amalekites’ unrelenting brutality toward the Israelites began with an attack at Rephidim (Exodus 17:8–13). This is recounted in Deuteronomy 25:17–19 with this admonition: “Remember what the Amalekites did to you along the way when you came out of Egypt. When you were weary and worn out, they met you on your journey and attacked all who were lagging behind [typically women and children]: they had no fear of God. When the LORD your God gives you rest from all the enemies around you in the land he is giving you to possess as an inheritance, you shall blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven. Do not forget!”

The Amalekites later joined with the Canaanites and attacked the Israelites at Hormah (Numbers 14:45). In Judges they banded with the Moabites (Judges 3:13) and the Midianites (Judges 6:3) to wage war on the Israelites. They were responsible for the repeated destruction of the Israelites’ land and food supply.


Hoisted upon your own petard.

I hope the Jews removed them from the face of the earth - every last one of them.

Again, no tabouli this time.

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Reply #22 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:25pm
 
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:19pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 2:51pm:
Nice try, but no falafel for you today.

Hitler's mob hated the Slavs far more than they did the French or Brits, but they still tried to bomb Britain and France back into the Stone Age.

Have a short rest and then try again.



Are you for Real?
https://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/world-war-2-statistics.asp

The Soviet Union Suffered 25,000,000 war dead, 9,750,000 of those were military.
The British Casualties 450,900 (does not include dominions)
Hitler's mob killed a lot more Slavs.

Please go back and read some history


Please go back and read my post again.
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Reply #23 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:28pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 2:34pm:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:37am:
I see no difference between Islamophobia and anti-Semitism. They both come from the creation of negative sterotypes.


Let's re-phrase that, shall we?

"I see no difference between anti-Islamism and anti-Semitism".

Result?

Huge difference.

The Sacred Texts of Islam contain exhortations against the Infidel that are completely absent in the Jewish Torah.

Beginning to see the picture?

Prior to WWII the Jews were completely innocent of acts of mass-murder against innocent civilian targets. It's too long for me to list the atrocities committed in the name of Islam in recent years to the cries of "Allahu Akbar!"

Is it becoming a little clearer to you now that linking anti-Semitism with anti-Islamism plays upon a very false analogy?



It shouldn't, Herbie, not when you want to ban Jews as well.

The Torah doesn't call them infidels, it calls them Gentiles. The Jews were free to rape them, kill them, take their land and take them as slaves.

Not racist, of course. Gentiles are not a race.
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Mistress Nicole wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 10:09am:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:37am:
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


I see no difference between Islamophobia and anti-Semitism. They both come from the creation of negative sterotypes.


Is it possible to create a 'positive stereotype' for Islam'? Anyone want to take a crack at that?


Why would one wish to create stereotypes for anyone?

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End of conversation, Lapstone. One of the trolls has arrived.


Too much hassle, Herbie?

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Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
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from 1 Samuel 15:3: "This is what the Lord Almighty says ... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey


The Israelites obeyed the word of their lord and committed Genocide, Go back and read your old testament.Because you are wrong.



Own goal.

'Like many desert tribes, the Amalekites were nomadic. Numbers 13:29 places them as native to the Negev, the desert between Egypt and Canaan. The Babylonians called them the Sute, Egyptians the Sittiu, and the Amarna tablets refer to them as the Khabbati, or “plunderers.”

'The Amalekites’ unrelenting brutality toward the Israelites began with an attack at Rephidim (Exodus 17:8–13). This is recounted in Deuteronomy 25:17–19 with this admonition: “Remember what the Amalekites did to you along the way when you came out of Egypt. When you were weary and worn out, they met you on your journey and attacked all who were lagging behind [typically women and children]: they had no fear of God. When the LORD your God gives you rest from all the enemies around you in the land he is giving you to possess as an inheritance, you shall blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven. Do not forget!”

The Amalekites later joined with the Canaanites and attacked the Israelites at Hormah (Numbers 14:45). In Judges they banded with the Moabites (Judges 3:13) and the Midianites (Judges 6:3) to wage war on the Israelites. They were responsible for the repeated destruction of the Israelites’ land and food supply.


Hoisted upon your own petard.

I hope the Jews removed them from the face of the earth - every last one of them.

Again, no tabouli this time.



You are a legend in your own mind, although I think you need to stop reading your own press.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 2:34pm:
Prior to WWII the Jews were completely innocent of acts of mass-murder against innocent civilian targets. It's too long for me to list the atrocities committed in the name of Islam in recent years to the cries of "Allahu Akbar!"


Genocide https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/genocide
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The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group.


The Amalekites are of a particular nation or ethnic group. The Israelites were instructed to "devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey. Which appears to me as a lot of people. Under what sort definition do you exclude children and infants as being innocent?

You said Quote:
Prior to WWII the Jews were completely innocent of acts of mass-murder against innocent civilian targets
An instruction to kill children and infants is one that targets the innocent.

Let us deal with historical realities. A group of people decide to revolt and make a dash for freedom. They head for a distant land like the location and indulge in a process of ethnic cleansing to get rid of the existing occupants. The dead cannot come back and reclaim the land so our group of happy travelers decide to commit genocide on the basis that their sky fairy  promised them the land and told them to do it.


Now you write that the Amalekites (existing residents in the land of Canaan) Joined with the Canaanites after who the land of Canaan was named then banded with the Moabites and the Midianites. I do not know about you but I would resent a group of people trying to move into my home because God said that he gave it to them. I might try and defend my home.

Indisputable Historical fact. For the generations that the tribes of Israel were the slave race of Egypt. The Amalekites, Canaanites, Moabites and Midianites existed and established communities in the land of Canaan. They built towns and cities. If you believe the bible then you will see when these towns and cities were destroyed.

Exodus 34:11-14
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“Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I will drive out before you the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. Take care, lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land to which you go, lest it become a snare in your midst. You shall tear down their altars and break their pillars and cut down their Asherim (for you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God),


You know maybe the inhabitants of the land to which they go, did not want to be invaded.
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Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:45pm:
End of conversation, Lapstone. One of the trolls has arrived.


Too much hassle, Herbie?



It stretches ones incredulity that twice the tribes of Israel walked in to a land with no people being a people with no land.
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Amaleks 1500 B.C. roughly, apologists always conveniently forget muslim aggression

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The Timeline of muslim crusades which caused the Christian crusades:
630 Two years before Muhammad’s death of a fever, he launches the Tabuk Crusades,
632-634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr the Muslim Crusaders conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia.
633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid al-Walid, conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River
634 At the Battle of Yarmuk in Syria the Muslim Crusaders defeat the Byzantines.
634-644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al-Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal.
635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and conquer of Damascus.
636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk.
637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al-Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636).
638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines.
638-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea.
639-642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt.
641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine.
643-707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa.
644-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind.
656 Battle of the Camel,
657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali
673-678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire
705 Abd al-Malik restores Umayyad rule.
710-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley.
711-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus.
719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governorship.
732 The Muslim Crusaders are stopped at the Battle of Poitiers; that is, Franks (France) halt Arab advance.
749 The Abbasids conquer Kufah and overthrow Umayyids.
756 Foundation of Umayyid emirate in Cordova, Spain, setting up an independent kingdom from Abbasids.
762 Foundation of Baghdad
785 Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova
789 Rise of Idrisid emirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco; foundation of Fez; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed.
800 Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia.
807 Caliph Harun al-Rashid orders the destruction of non-Muslim prayer houses and of the Church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem.
809 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy.
813 Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country.
831 Muslim Crusaders capture of Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy.
855 Revolt of the Christians of Hims (Syria)
837-901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France.
909 Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia.
928-969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969).
937 The Church of the Resurrection (known as Church of Holy Sepulcher in Latin West) is burned down by Muslims;
960 Conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam
969 Fatimids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Egypt and found Cairo.
973 Israel and southern Syria are again conquered by the Fatimids.
1003 First persecutions by al-Hakim; the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, is destroyed.
1012 Beginning of al-Hakim’s oppressive decrees against Jews and Christians
1031 Collapse of Umayyid Caliphate and establishment of 15 minor independent dynasties throughout Muslim Andalus
1050 Creation of Almoravid (Muslim Crusaders) movement in Mauretania; Almoravids (also known as Murabitun) are coalition of western Saharan Berbers; followers of Islam, focusing on the Quran, the hadith, and Maliki law.
1055 Seljuk Prince Tughrul enters Baghdad, consolidation of the Seljuk Sultanate.
1071 Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk Turks (Muslim Crusaders) defeat Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia.
1071 Turks (Muslim Crusaders) invade Palestine.
1073 Conquest of Jerusalem by Turks (Muslim Crusaders)
1075 Seljuks (Muslim Crusaders) capture Nicea (Iznik) and make it their capital in Anatolia.
1076 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) conquer western Ghana.
1086 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) send help to Andalus, Battle of Zallaca.
1090-1091 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) occupy all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands.
1095 Pope Urban II preaches first Crusade; they capture Jerusalem in 1099
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In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islamic_Incest_Ratchet#Rates_of_in...

Muslims often insist this was entirely done in self defense and people "welcoming the Muslims with open arms".

Not only was it the largest land empire that had ever existed, the lands captured had, since the dawn of agricultural civilisation about 10000 years ago, always been the wealthiest on earth. A few centuries later, Chinese civilisation overtook the west as the wealthiest place on earth for the first time in history. Now, with the exception of Spain (where the Muslims were driven out) these lands are among the poorest, most brutal and most oppressive on earth. Islam is such a powerful force of degradation that it reversed what had for 10 millennia been an unassailable civilisational lead. The reversal was so dramatic that people no longer even associate Muslim lands with western civilisation. Islam is a gaping black hole in the history of human development.
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End of conversation, Lapstone. One of the trolls has arrived.


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In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.


In a single word, bullshit, FD.  Total and utter bullshit.  First the Mongols, then the British created empires which were larger in both land area and population than what was captured by the Muslims.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Comparison of areas:
Mongol Empire:
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Muslim Empire:
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British Empire:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/British_Empire.svg
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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:12pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.


In a single word, bullshit, FD.  Total and utter bullshit.  First the Mongols, then the British created empires which were larger in both land area and population than what was captured by the Muslims.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Comparison of areas:
Mongol Empire:
http://i.imgur.com/5ZkzGnV.png

Muslim Empire:
https://www.so-rummet.se/sites/default/files/Karta-islams-expansion-araberna.jpg

British Empire:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/British_Empire.svg


You really are confused Brian.

Do you think the Roman Empire was bigger than the Caliphate?
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freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:12pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.


In a single word, bullshit, FD.  Total and utter bullshit.  First the Mongols, then the British created empires which were larger in both land area and population than what was captured by the Muslims.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Comparison of areas:
Mongol Empire:
http://i.imgur.com/5ZkzGnV.png

Muslim Empire:
https://www.so-rummet.se/sites/default/files/Karta-islams-expansion-araberna.jpg

British Empire:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/British_Empire.svg


You really are confused Brian.

Do you think the Roman Empire was bigger than the Caliphate?


Didn't mention the Roman Empire, FD. 

Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:12pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.


In a single word, bullshit, FD.  Total and utter bullshit.  First the Mongols, then the British created empires which were larger in both land area and population than what was captured by the Muslims.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Comparison of areas:
Mongol Empire:
http://i.imgur.com/5ZkzGnV.png

Muslim Empire:
https://www.so-rummet.se/sites/default/files/Karta-islams-expansion-araberna.jpg

British Empire:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/British_Empire.svg


You really are confused Brian.

Do you think the Roman Empire was bigger than the Caliphate?


Didn't mention the Roman Empire, FD. 

Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


You certainly are confused Brian. When was the Mongol Empire established?

Have you ever wondered why the British Empire brought about a massive and unprecedented increase in wealth and the spread of liberal democracy, whereas the Muslim empire brought about stagnation, with living standards remaining below what had occurred previously in the west and concurrently in the east?
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freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/images/Map_of_expansion_of_Caliphate.png

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islamic_Incest_Ratchet#Rates_of_in...

Muslims often insist this was entirely done in self defense and people "welcoming the Muslims with open arms".

Not only was it the largest land empire that had ever existed, the lands captured had, since the dawn of agricultural civilisation about 10000 years ago, always been the wealthiest on earth. A few centuries later, Chinese civilisation overtook the west as the wealthiest place on earth for the first time in history. Now, with the exception of Spain (where the Muslims were driven out) these lands are among the poorest, most brutal and most oppressive on earth. Islam is such a powerful force of degradation that it reversed what had for 10 millennia been an unassailable civilisational lead. The reversal was so dramatic that people no longer even associate Muslim lands with western civilisation. Islam is a gaping black hole in the history of human development.


You're missing a key factor in this expansion - control of the Silk Road. For a good part of history, Arabs and Persians protected traders along this route, thus mediating European and Asian trade.

It was taxation that allowed them to expand. Muslims found out that converting traders was not the way to do it. Rather, let them believe what they want and tax them in return for refuge. This ended up working far better than forced conversions.

You'll note this advice in Chapter 9 of the Koran, verses 6 & 7, I believe. You know this chapter well, FD.

Until the European Age of Exploration, Chinese trade with Europe was facilitated by Muslims, as every schoolboy knows. This allowed them to prosper and expand.
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freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:12pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.


In a single word, bullshit, FD.  Total and utter bullshit.  First the Mongols, then the British created empires which were larger in both land area and population than what was captured by the Muslims.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Comparison of areas:
Mongol Empire:
http://i.imgur.com/5ZkzGnV.png

Muslim Empire:
https://www.so-rummet.se/sites/default/files/Karta-islams-expansion-araberna.jpg

British Empire:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/British_Empire.svg


You really are confused Brian.

Do you think the Roman Empire was bigger than the Caliphate?


Didn't mention the Roman Empire, FD. 

Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


You certainly are confused Brian. When was the Mongol Empire established?

Have you ever wondered why the British Empire brought about a massive and unprecedented increase in wealth and the spread of liberal democracy, whereas the Muslim empire brought about stagnation, with living standards remaining below what had occurred previously in the west and concurrently in the east?


The British never delivered liberal democracy to its colonies, FD. They brought a rule of law - a legal system - not a parliamentary system.

Britain did not deliver a higher living standard to its colonies. It did not bring hospitals, for example - this was left to missionaries. Britain, however, did create a native ruling class - essential to all colonies.  The rest of the population was left to itself, or exported as indentured labourers.

Australia is an exception to this rule, but it was designed to be a self-governing colony at its inception.
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Meanwhile right here right now, muslims are?

The worlds largest group of known religious terrorists, with rampant poverty, inbreeding, legalized pedophilia (child marriage) and illiteracy.

Globally millions of them running away from other muslims demanding the rest of us feed and shelter them.

Members of a death cult which sanctifies slaughter of people who they consider their reinvented moon god allah hates.

1400 years of islam has made muslims the absolute bottom of the sociological scale.
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Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 8:57am:
Australia is an exception to this rule, but it was designed to be a self-governing colony at its inception.


Australia (along with North America) was an exception because the natives were sparse and backward enough to simply be driven out and/or slaughtered into irrelevancy. They could then build their colonies entirely from their imported white population and quite literally pretend the native population never existed. As opposed to the other colonies where the British could not simply "deal" with the natives by ethnically cleansing/slaughering them - they actually had to work with them to varying degrees to make their colonies work.

I don't think FD ever did reconcile his 'tinted natives were so blessed by British imperialism' meme with the wholesale genocide/ethnic cleansing of the Australian and North American colonies.
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Meanwhile right here right now, muslims are?

The worlds largest group of known religious terrorists, with rampant poverty, inbreeding, legalized pedophilia (child marriage) and illiteracy.


Right here, right now?

I don't think so, Tim.

There's no legalised pedophilia in this country.

Don't you think you'd be respected a little more somewhat, if you didn't resort to lies all the time?

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moses wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
Meanwhile right here right now, muslims are?

The worlds largest group of known religious terrorists, with rampant poverty, inbreeding, legalized pedophilia (child marriage) and illiteracy.

Globally millions of them running away from other muslims demanding the rest of us feed and shelter them.

Members of a death cult which sanctifies slaughter of people who they consider their reinvented moon god allah hates.

1400 years of islam has made muslims the absolute bottom of the sociological scale. 


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Oh boy how the leftards grovel when it comes to the worlds' largest group of religious terrorists.

Always trying to hide the facts about the unrestrained inbreeding, paedophilia, poverty and illiteracy in the islamic world.

The whole world is suffering because of their stupidity and muslims fleeing their own kind.

1400 years of it, they are at the very bottom of the pile, yet they kill us because we are the kafir and their reinvented moon god allah hates us.
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moses wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 5:16pm:
Oh boy how the leftards grovel when it comes to the worlds' largest group of religious terrorists.

Always trying to hide the facts about the unrestrained inbreeding, paedophilia, poverty and illiteracy in the islamic world.

The whole world is suffering because of their stupidity and muslims fleeing their own kind.

1400 years of it, they are at the very bottom of the pile, yet they kill us because we are the kafir and their reinvented moon god allah hates us.


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Reply #44 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:26pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 8:47am:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/images/Map_of_expansion_of_Caliphate.png

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islamic_Incest_Ratchet#Rates_of_in...

Muslims often insist this was entirely done in self defense and people "welcoming the Muslims with open arms".

Not only was it the largest land empire that had ever existed, the lands captured had, since the dawn of agricultural civilisation about 10000 years ago, always been the wealthiest on earth. A few centuries later, Chinese civilisation overtook the west as the wealthiest place on earth for the first time in history. Now, with the exception of Spain (where the Muslims were driven out) these lands are among the poorest, most brutal and most oppressive on earth. Islam is such a powerful force of degradation that it reversed what had for 10 millennia been an unassailable civilisational lead. The reversal was so dramatic that people no longer even associate Muslim lands with western civilisation. Islam is a gaping black hole in the history of human development.


You're missing a key factor in this expansion - control of the Silk Road. For a good part of history, Arabs and Persians protected traders along this route, thus mediating European and Asian trade.


How does depopulating the Italian coastline in their quest for sex slaves fit into this narrative?

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The British never delivered liberal democracy to its colonies, FD.


I guess it was just a coincidence then.

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Britain did not deliver a higher living standard to its colonies.


Ah. Another coincidence.

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It did not bring hospitals, for example - this was left to missionaries.


Ah, not the British eh?
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Reply #45 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:12pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.


In a single word, bullshit, FD.  Total and utter bullshit.  First the Mongols, then the British created empires which were larger in both land area and population than what was captured by the Muslims.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Comparison of areas:
Mongol Empire:
http://i.imgur.com/5ZkzGnV.png

Muslim Empire:
https://www.so-rummet.se/sites/default/files/Karta-islams-expansion-araberna.jpg

British Empire:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/British_Empire.svg


You really are confused Brian.

Do you think the Roman Empire was bigger than the Caliphate?


Didn't mention the Roman Empire, FD. 

Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


You certainly are confused Brian. When was the Mongol Empire established?

Have you ever wondered why the British Empire brought about a massive and unprecedented increase in wealth and the spread of liberal democracy, whereas the Muslim empire brought about stagnation, with living standards remaining below what had occurred previously in the west and concurrently in the east?


Brian, let us know when you are less confused, OK?
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Re: Austria is rapidly coming to its senses.
Reply #46 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 9:13pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:12pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.


In a single word, bullshit, FD.  Total and utter bullshit.  First the Mongols, then the British created empires which were larger in both land area and population than what was captured by the Muslims.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Comparison of areas:
Mongol Empire:
http://i.imgur.com/5ZkzGnV.png

Muslim Empire:
https://www.so-rummet.se/sites/default/files/Karta-islams-expansion-araberna.jpg

British Empire:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/British_Empire.svg


You really are confused Brian.

Do you think the Roman Empire was bigger than the Caliphate?


Didn't mention the Roman Empire, FD. 

Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


You certainly are confused Brian. When was the Mongol Empire established?

Have you ever wondered why the British Empire brought about a massive and unprecedented increase in wealth and the spread of liberal democracy, whereas the Muslim empire brought about stagnation, with living standards remaining below what had occurred previously in the west and concurrently in the east?


Brian, let us know when you are less confused, OK?



The only one confused here is yourself, FD. 

Get back to us with a proper understanding of how small the Muslim Caliphate was compared to the Mongol and the British Empires...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #47 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 9:23pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 9:13pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:12pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.


In a single word, bullshit, FD.  Total and utter bullshit.  First the Mongols, then the British created empires which were larger in both land area and population than what was captured by the Muslims.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Comparison of areas:
Mongol Empire:
http://i.imgur.com/5ZkzGnV.png

Muslim Empire:
https://www.so-rummet.se/sites/default/files/Karta-islams-expansion-araberna.jpg

British Empire:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/British_Empire.svg


You really are confused Brian.

Do you think the Roman Empire was bigger than the Caliphate?


Didn't mention the Roman Empire, FD. 

Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


You certainly are confused Brian. When was the Mongol Empire established?

Have you ever wondered why the British Empire brought about a massive and unprecedented increase in wealth and the spread of liberal democracy, whereas the Muslim empire brought about stagnation, with living standards remaining below what had occurred previously in the west and concurrently in the east?


Brian, let us know when you are less confused, OK?



The only one confused here is yourself, FD. 

Get back to us with a proper understanding of how small the Muslim Caliphate was compared to the Mongol and the British Empires...   Roll Eyes


When was the Mongol Empire established Brian?

Do you agree with this now?

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In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.


Or are you going to keep digging yourself a hole of idiocy in the hope of coming out the other side?
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Re: Austria is rapidly coming to its senses.
Reply #48 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:00pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 8:57am:
Australia is an exception to this rule, but it was designed to be a self-governing colony at its inception.


Australia (along with North America) was an exception because the natives were sparse and backward enough to simply be driven out and/or slaughtered into irrelevancy. They could then build their colonies entirely from their imported white population and quite literally pretend the native population never existed. As opposed to the other colonies where the British could not simply "deal" with the natives by ethnically cleansing/slaughering them - they actually had to work with them to varying degrees to make their colonies work.

I don't think FD ever did reconcile his 'tinted natives were so blessed by British imperialism' meme with the wholesale genocide/ethnic cleansing of the Australian and North American colonies.


Well no, but he saves his chagrin for a certain genocide committed by you-know-who.

Were they mindless? Were they a collective? Did they depopulate the Italian coastline in their quest for sex slaves?
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Reply #49 - Oct 17th, 2017 at 5:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 9:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 9:13pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:12pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.


In a single word, bullshit, FD.  Total and utter bullshit.  First the Mongols, then the British created empires which were larger in both land area and population than what was captured by the Muslims.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Comparison of areas:
Mongol Empire:
http://i.imgur.com/5ZkzGnV.png

Muslim Empire:
https://www.so-rummet.se/sites/default/files/Karta-islams-expansion-araberna.jpg

British Empire:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/British_Empire.svg


You really are confused Brian.

Do you think the Roman Empire was bigger than the Caliphate?


Didn't mention the Roman Empire, FD. 

Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


You certainly are confused Brian. When was the Mongol Empire established?

Have you ever wondered why the British Empire brought about a massive and unprecedented increase in wealth and the spread of liberal democracy, whereas the Muslim empire brought about stagnation, with living standards remaining below what had occurred previously in the west and concurrently in the east?


Brian, let us know when you are less confused, OK?



The only one confused here is yourself, FD. 

Get back to us with a proper understanding of how small the Muslim Caliphate was compared to the Mongol and the British Empires...   Roll Eyes


When was the Mongol Empire established Brian?

Do you agree with this now?

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In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.


Or are you going to keep digging yourself a hole of idiocy in the hope of coming out the other side?


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, poor, poor, FD.  Sorry, bullying doesn't work with me.  Thought you'd have realised that by now.  Until you produce evidence that the Caliphate was larger than the Mongol Empire (which stretched from Poland in Europe to the Bering Strait, from the Barents Sea to the Persian Gulf) or the British Empire (which stretched around the globe, non-contiguously) you are just barking up the wrong tree.   I have provided maps.  You then tried to fudge it by concentrating on the Roman Empire, which I did not mention.   Now run along, I'm sure you can find some Grade Ones in the schoolyard that you can bully.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #50 - Oct 17th, 2017 at 6:21pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 5:53pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 9:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 9:13pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:12pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.


In a single word, bullshit, FD.  Total and utter bullshit.  First the Mongols, then the British created empires which were larger in both land area and population than what was captured by the Muslims.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Comparison of areas:
Mongol Empire:
http://i.imgur.com/5ZkzGnV.png

Muslim Empire:
https://www.so-rummet.se/sites/default/files/Karta-islams-expansion-araberna.jpg

British Empire:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/British_Empire.svg


You really are confused Brian.

Do you think the Roman Empire was bigger than the Caliphate?


Didn't mention the Roman Empire, FD. 

Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


You certainly are confused Brian. When was the Mongol Empire established?

Have you ever wondered why the British Empire brought about a massive and unprecedented increase in wealth and the spread of liberal democracy, whereas the Muslim empire brought about stagnation, with living standards remaining below what had occurred previously in the west and concurrently in the east?


Brian, let us know when you are less confused, OK?



The only one confused here is yourself, FD. 

Get back to us with a proper understanding of how small the Muslim Caliphate was compared to the Mongol and the British Empires...   Roll Eyes


When was the Mongol Empire established Brian?

Do you agree with this now?

Quote:
In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.


Or are you going to keep digging yourself a hole of idiocy in the hope of coming out the other side?


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, poor, poor, FD.  Sorry, bullying doesn't work with me.  Thought you'd have realised that by now.  Until you produce evidence that the Caliphate was larger than the Mongol Empire (which stretched from Poland in Europe to the Bering Strait, from the Barents Sea to the Persian Gulf) or the British Empire (which stretched around the globe, non-contiguously) you are just barking up the wrong tree.   I have provided maps.  You then tried to fudge it by concentrating on the Roman Empire, which I did not mention.   Now run along, I'm sure you can find some Grade Ones in the schoolyard that you can bully.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Why would I provide the evidence to back up your idiotic claim Brian? This is your hole you dug yourself into. This is your own idiotic display. You claimed the Mongol Empire came before the Caliphate. When do you think it was Brian?
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Reply #51 - Oct 17th, 2017 at 6:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 6:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 5:53pm:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, poor, poor, FD.  Sorry, bullying doesn't work with me.  Thought you'd have realised that by now.  Until you produce evidence that the Caliphate was larger than the Mongol Empire (which stretched from Poland in Europe to the Bering Strait, from the Barents Sea to the Persian Gulf) or the British Empire (which stretched around the globe, non-contiguously) you are just barking up the wrong tree.   I have provided maps.  You then tried to fudge it by concentrating on the Roman Empire, which I did not mention.   Now run along, I'm sure you can find some Grade Ones in the schoolyard that you can bully.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Why would I provide the evidence to back up your idiotic claim Brian? This is your hole you dug yourself into. This is your own idiotic display. You claimed the Mongol Empire came before the Caliphate. When do you think it was Brian?


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OH, dearie, dearie, me.  Obfuscating again, FD?  I wasn't asking you to back my claim, I was asking you to back your claim with clear evidence that shows the Caliphate larger than either the Mongol or the British Empires.  Now run along and find some and present it to us, for a change, rather than merely making an assertion.   Tsk, tsk, I'm sure those Grade Ones are missing you...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #52 - Oct 17th, 2017 at 6:59pm
 
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I was asking you to back your claim with clear evidence that shows the Caliphate larger than either the Mongol or the British Empires.


I never claimed it was. This was just another idiotic strawman from you.

Would you like to retract this idiotic claim?

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:12pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.


In a single word, bullshit, FD.  Total and utter bullshit.  First the Mongols, then the British created empires which were larger in both land area and population than what was captured by the Muslims. 


Or am I bullying you just by asking whether you stand by it?

How about this one?

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.


What do you think Brian? Stupid or not stupid? Or run away?

When was the mongol empire established Brian? Or is asking you a simple question now regarded as bullying your delicate intellect?
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Reply #53 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 5:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
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I was asking you to back your claim with clear evidence that shows the Caliphate larger than either the Mongol or the British Empires.


I never claimed it was. This was just another idiotic strawman from you.


You claimed it was the "In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed."   Unfortunately that isn't true.  The Mongol Empire was significantly larger than the Empire of the Muslims.   Tsk, tsk.  Run along, FD.  When you have some facts, we can then move this discussion along.

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Reply #54 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 8:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:12pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.


In a single word, bullshit, FD.  Total and utter bullshit.  First the Mongols, then the British created empires which were larger in both land area and population than what was captured by the Muslims.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Comparison of areas:
Mongol Empire:
http://i.imgur.com/5ZkzGnV.png

Muslim Empire:
https://www.so-rummet.se/sites/default/files/Karta-islams-expansion-araberna.jpg

British Empire:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/British_Empire.svg


You really are confused Brian.

Do you think the Roman Empire was bigger than the Caliphate?


Didn't mention the Roman Empire, FD. 

Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


You certainly are confused Brian. When was the Mongol Empire established?

Have you ever wondered why the British Empire brought about a massive and unprecedented increase in wealth and the spread of liberal democracy, whereas the Muslim empire brought about stagnation, with living standards remaining below what had occurred previously in the west and concurrently in the east?


Brian, let us know when you are less confused, OK?

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Reply #55 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:28pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:12pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed.


In a single word, bullshit, FD.  Total and utter bullshit.  First the Mongols, then the British created empires which were larger in both land area and population than what was captured by the Muslims.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Comparison of areas:
Mongol Empire:
http://i.imgur.com/5ZkzGnV.png

Muslim Empire:
https://www.so-rummet.se/sites/default/files/Karta-islams-expansion-araberna.jpg

British Empire:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/British_Empire.svg


You really are confused Brian.

Do you think the Roman Empire was bigger than the Caliphate?


Didn't mention the Roman Empire, FD. 

Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


You certainly are confused Brian. When was the Mongol Empire established?

Have you ever wondered why the British Empire brought about a massive and unprecedented increase in wealth and the spread of liberal democracy, whereas the Muslim empire brought about stagnation, with living standards remaining below what had occurred previously in the west and concurrently in the east?


Brian, let us know when you are less confused, OK?

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Reply #56 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 7:08am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
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I was asking you to back your claim with clear evidence that shows the Caliphate larger than either the Mongol or the British Empires.


I never claimed it was. This was just another idiotic strawman from you.


You claimed it was the "In only 130 years, the Muslims captured the largest land empire that had ever existed."   Unfortunately that isn't true.  The Mongol Empire was significantly larger than the Empire of the Muslims.   Tsk, tsk.  Run along, FD.  When you have some facts, we can then move this discussion along.

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/maps/images/112%20Arab%20Islamic%20Caliphate%20Expan...

http://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/78/89978-004-A4AECA92.gif

Big, big difference in area covered...   Roll Eyes




that had ever existed Brian, or in other words up until that time. The mongol empire came after the caliphate. Sorry to say FD is right - he never claimed the caliphate was bigger than the mongol empire.
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You need to focus on what he actually said Gandalf. Tsk tsk.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


When was this Mongol Empire Brian? Why won't you say?
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Reply #58 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 4:50pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
You need to focus on what he actually said Gandalf. Tsk tsk.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


When was this Mongol Empire Brian? Why won't you say?


1206 to the late 1300s, FD.

The Ottoman Empire was from 1299 to 1923.

Sorry to apologise for Brian, but does this answer your question?
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Reply #59 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:08pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 4:50pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
You need to focus on what he actually said Gandalf. Tsk tsk.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


When was this Mongol Empire Brian? Why won't you say?


1206 to the late 1300s, FD.

The Ottoman Empire was from 1299 to 1923.

Sorry to apologise for Brian, but does this answer your question?



Mongol Empire??   Do you mean the Golden Horde?

Yes, the pillaged a massive area but calling it an empire is a huge stretch.

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Reply #60 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:44pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 4:50pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
You need to focus on what he actually said Gandalf. Tsk tsk.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


When was this Mongol Empire Brian? Why won't you say?


1206 to the late 1300s, FD.

The Ottoman Empire was from 1299 to 1923.

Sorry to apologise for Brian, but does this answer your question?


Brian seems to think the Mongol empire was prior to 700.
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Reply #61 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 7:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 4:50pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
You need to focus on what he actually said Gandalf. Tsk tsk.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


When was this Mongol Empire Brian? Why won't you say?


1206 to the late 1300s, FD.

The Ottoman Empire was from 1299 to 1923.

Sorry to apologise for Brian, but does this answer your question?


Brian seems to think the Mongol empire was prior to 700.


Oh, FD, That's terrible!

If I was you I'd hunt him down for a few dozen pages and start a new thread on this spineless lie.

If he doesn't answer questions, you know what to do.

Ban him.
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Reply #62 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:24pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 7:57pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 4:50pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
You need to focus on what he actually said Gandalf. Tsk tsk.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


When was this Mongol Empire Brian? Why won't you say?


1206 to the late 1300s, FD.

The Ottoman Empire was from 1299 to 1923.

Sorry to apologise for Brian, but does this answer your question?


Brian seems to think the Mongol empire was prior to 700.


Oh, FD, That's terrible!

If I was you I'd hunt him down for a few dozen pages and start a new thread on this spineless lie.

If he doesn't answer questions, you know what to do.

Ban him.


It is incredibly stupid, like much of what he says in defense of Islam. He managed to make the same mistake in two different discussions.

Why were you so eager to agree with him?
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Reply #63 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 7:57pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 4:50pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
You need to focus on what he actually said Gandalf. Tsk tsk.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


When was this Mongol Empire Brian? Why won't you say?


1206 to the late 1300s, FD.

The Ottoman Empire was from 1299 to 1923.

Sorry to apologise for Brian, but does this answer your question?


Brian seems to think the Mongol empire was prior to 700.


Oh, FD, That's terrible!

If I was you I'd hunt him down for a few dozen pages and start a new thread on this spineless lie.

If he doesn't answer questions, you know what to do.

Ban him.


It is incredibly stupid, like much of what he says in defense of Islam. He managed to make the same mistake in two different discussions.

Why were you so eager to agree with him?


Because of the way you're carrying on.

That's all.
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Reply #64 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 6:55am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
Why were you so eager to agree with him?


Because that's what persistent trolls do to get a rise out of people and bring attention upon themselves at a personal level, and because he suspects you might be a closet Nazi and a KKK-style racist with a hankering for lynching Nig Nogs and Golly Wogs.
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Reply #65 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 6:58am
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:23pm:
Because of the way you're carrying on.

That's all.


Karnal doesn't carry on in any sort of trolling way, FD. He plays a straight bat and sticks to the subject matter of the topics being discussed.
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Reply #66 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 9:58am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 6:58am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:23pm:
Because of the way you're carrying on.

That's all.


Karnal doesn't carry on in any sort of trolling way, FD. He plays a straight bat and sticks to the subject matter of the topics being discussed.


That's right.

Now back to the subject, what are your dates, FD? I'm curious.
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Reply #67 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 12:10pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:23pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 7:57pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 4:50pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
You need to focus on what he actually said Gandalf. Tsk tsk.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


When was this Mongol Empire Brian? Why won't you say?


1206 to the late 1300s, FD.

The Ottoman Empire was from 1299 to 1923.

Sorry to apologise for Brian, but does this answer your question?


Brian seems to think the Mongol empire was prior to 700.


Oh, FD, That's terrible!

If I was you I'd hunt him down for a few dozen pages and start a new thread on this spineless lie.

If he doesn't answer questions, you know what to do.

Ban him.


It is incredibly stupid, like much of what he says in defense of Islam. He managed to make the same mistake in two different discussions.

Why were you so eager to agree with him?


Because of the way you're carrying on.

That's all.


Do you think I should just ignore Brian every time he says something incredibly stupid?
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Reply #68 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 1:20pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 12:10pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:23pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 7:57pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 4:50pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
You need to focus on what he actually said Gandalf. Tsk tsk.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


When was this Mongol Empire Brian? Why won't you say?


1206 to the late 1300s, FD.

The Ottoman Empire was from 1299 to 1923.

Sorry to apologise for Brian, but does this answer your question?


Brian seems to think the Mongol empire was prior to 700.


Oh, FD, That's terrible!

If I was you I'd hunt him down for a few dozen pages and start a new thread on this spineless lie.

If he doesn't answer questions, you know what to do.

Ban him.


It is incredibly stupid, like much of what he says in defense of Islam. He managed to make the same mistake in two different discussions.

Why were you so eager to agree with him?


Because of the way you're carrying on.

That's all.


Do you think I should just ignore Brian every time he says something incredibly stupid?


But of course.
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Reply #69 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 3:39pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 12:10pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:23pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 7:57pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 4:50pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
You need to focus on what he actually said Gandalf. Tsk tsk.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


When was this Mongol Empire Brian? Why won't you say?


1206 to the late 1300s, FD.

The Ottoman Empire was from 1299 to 1923.

Sorry to apologise for Brian, but does this answer your question?


Brian seems to think the Mongol empire was prior to 700.


Oh, FD, That's terrible!

If I was you I'd hunt him down for a few dozen pages and start a new thread on this spineless lie.

If he doesn't answer questions, you know what to do.

Ban him.


It is incredibly stupid, like much of what he says in defense of Islam. He managed to make the same mistake in two different discussions.

Why were you so eager to agree with him?


Because of the way you're carrying on.

That's all.


Do you think I should just ignore Brian every time he says something incredibly stupid?


Of course not FD, he's defending Islam. Naturally though if anyone says anything "incredibly stupid" while attacking Islam, then I think you should become an invisible mute. But I think you know that drill already.
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Reply #70 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 5:36pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 12:10pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:23pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 7:57pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 4:50pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
You need to focus on what he actually said Gandalf. Tsk tsk.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


When was this Mongol Empire Brian? Why won't you say?


1206 to the late 1300s, FD.

The Ottoman Empire was from 1299 to 1923.

Sorry to apologise for Brian, but does this answer your question?


Brian seems to think the Mongol empire was prior to 700.


Oh, FD, That's terrible!

If I was you I'd hunt him down for a few dozen pages and start a new thread on this spineless lie.

If he doesn't answer questions, you know what to do.

Ban him.


It is incredibly stupid, like much of what he says in defense of Islam. He managed to make the same mistake in two different discussions.

Why were you so eager to agree with him?


Because of the way you're carrying on.

That's all.


Do you think I should just ignore Brian every time he says something incredibly stupid?


Of course not FD, he's defending Islam. Naturally though if anyone says anything "incredibly stupid" while attacking Islam, then I think you should become an invisible mute. But I think you know that drill already.


Good point, G, I forgot about that. And if they become a jellyfish while defending Islam -

Ban them.
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Reply #71 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 6:33pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 1:20pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 12:10pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:23pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 7:57pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 4:50pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
You need to focus on what he actually said Gandalf. Tsk tsk.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


When was this Mongol Empire Brian? Why won't you say?


1206 to the late 1300s, FD.

The Ottoman Empire was from 1299 to 1923.

Sorry to apologise for Brian, but does this answer your question?


Brian seems to think the Mongol empire was prior to 700.


Oh, FD, That's terrible!

If I was you I'd hunt him down for a few dozen pages and start a new thread on this spineless lie.

If he doesn't answer questions, you know what to do.

Ban him.


It is incredibly stupid, like much of what he says in defense of Islam. He managed to make the same mistake in two different discussions.

Why were you so eager to agree with him?


Because of the way you're carrying on.

That's all.


Do you think I should just ignore Brian every time he says something incredibly stupid?


But of course.


And what about all the stupid questions you ask? Should I ignore them also?
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Gibberish and stupid questions.

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I also find it interesting BTW that Open Society, which also supports gay rights for instance, continues to suport importing homophobia into otherwise gay-tolerant Europe. Netherlands attacks on gays is apparently up 400% from about a decade ago, and word is that in this year’s elections in Netherlands, France & Germany gays went for the anti-migrant parties by a higher percentage than the general population. So, Open Society is for gay rights, women’s rights, but more than willing to throw them and their rights to basic safety under the buss, when it comes to the pursuit of the supreme globalist agenda of destroying native or regional cultures through mass-migration.

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Reply #74 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 8:10pm
 
Now FD wants to pretend he has a problem ignoring questions ... how hilarious Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Why was I banned FD?
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Reply #75 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 9:07pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 6:33pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 1:20pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 12:10pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 10:23pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 7:57pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 4:50pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
You need to focus on what he actually said Gandalf. Tsk tsk.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Concentrate on what was said, not what you imagined was said.  In both cases, the Mongol Empire before the establishment of the Caliphates and the British Empire afterwards, out classed it in both land area and population size.  Tsk, tsk, such wilful ignorance.    Roll Eyes


When was this Mongol Empire Brian? Why won't you say?


1206 to the late 1300s, FD.

The Ottoman Empire was from 1299 to 1923.

Sorry to apologise for Brian, but does this answer your question?


Brian seems to think the Mongol empire was prior to 700.


Oh, FD, That's terrible!

If I was you I'd hunt him down for a few dozen pages and start a new thread on this spineless lie.

If he doesn't answer questions, you know what to do.

Ban him.


It is incredibly stupid, like much of what he says in defense of Islam. He managed to make the same mistake in two different discussions.

Why were you so eager to agree with him?


Because of the way you're carrying on.

That's all.


Do you think I should just ignore Brian every time he says something incredibly stupid?


But of course.


And what about all the stupid questions you ask? Should I ignore them also?


You'd never do that, FD.

Now show what a good sport you are and answer JS' question. I won't embarrass you asking mine. What was it again?

Jellyfish. Now you answer JS' question and ban him, please. Stop your dithering.
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Reply #76 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 9:09pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 7:21pm:
Gibberish and stupid questions.

Ban him.


Ah.
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Quebec also bans the sinister face covering in public services and amenities.

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