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Reply #15 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 2:34pm
 
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:37am:
I see no difference between Islamophobia and anti-Semitism. They both come from the creation of negative sterotypes.


Let's re-phrase that, shall we?

"I see no difference between anti-Islamism and anti-Semitism".

Result?

Huge difference.

The Sacred Texts of Islam contain exhortations against the Infidel that are completely absent in the Jewish Torah.

Beginning to see the picture?

Prior to WWII the Jews were completely innocent of acts of mass-murder against innocent civilian targets. It's too long for me to list the atrocities committed in the name of Islam in recent years to the cries of "Allahu Akbar!"

Is it becoming a little clearer to you now that linking anti-Semitism with anti-Islamism plays upon a very false analogy? No Jew was ever linked to a Holy Text that exhorts all the violent retribution against the un-Believer that the Sacred Text of Islam does.



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Reply #17 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 2:51pm
 
Nice try, but no falafel for you today.

Hitler's mob hated the Slavs far more than they did the French or Brits, but they still tried to bomb Britain and France back into the Stone Age.

Have a short rest and then try again.

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Reply #18 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:05pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 2:34pm:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:37am:
I see no difference between Islamophobia and anti-Semitism. They both come from the creation of negative sterotypes.


Let's re-phrase that, shall we?

"I see no difference between anti-Islamism and anti-Semitism".

Result?

Huge difference.

The Sacred Texts of Islam contain exhortations against the Infidel that are completely absent in the Jewish Torah.

Beginning to see the picture?

Prior to WWII the Jews were completely innocent of acts of mass-murder against innocent civilian targets. It's too long for me to list the atrocities committed in the name of Islam in recent years to the cries of "Allahu Akbar!"

Is it becoming a little clearer to you now that linking anti-Semitism with anti-Islamism plays upon a very false analogy? No Jew was ever linked to a Holy Text that exhorts all the violent retribution against the un-Believer that the Sacred Text of Islam does.




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from 1 Samuel 15:3: "This is what the Lord Almighty says ... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey


The Israelites obeyed the word of their lord and committed Genocide, Go back and read your old testament.Because you are wrong.
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Reply #19 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:08pm
 
I think the state of Südtirol should be returned to Austria. It was taken by the Italians after WW1 but remained German speaking. They should’ve taken only Trentino.
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Reply #20 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:19pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 2:51pm:
Nice try, but no falafel for you today.

Hitler's mob hated the Slavs far more than they did the French or Brits, but they still tried to bomb Britain and France back into the Stone Age.

Have a short rest and then try again.



Are you for Real?
https://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/world-war-2-statistics.asp

The Soviet Union Suffered 25,000,000 war dead, 9,750,000 of those were military.
The British Casualties 450,900 (does not include dominions)
Hitler's mob killed a lot more Slavs.

Please go back and read some history
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Reply #21 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:24pm
 
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
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from 1 Samuel 15:3: "This is what the Lord Almighty says ... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey


The Israelites obeyed the word of their lord and committed Genocide, Go back and read your old testament.Because you are wrong.



Own goal.

'Like many desert tribes, the Amalekites were nomadic. Numbers 13:29 places them as native to the Negev, the desert between Egypt and Canaan. The Babylonians called them the Sute, Egyptians the Sittiu, and the Amarna tablets refer to them as the Khabbati, or “plunderers.”

'The Amalekites’ unrelenting brutality toward the Israelites began with an attack at Rephidim (Exodus 17:8–13). This is recounted in Deuteronomy 25:17–19 with this admonition: “Remember what the Amalekites did to you along the way when you came out of Egypt. When you were weary and worn out, they met you on your journey and attacked all who were lagging behind [typically women and children]: they had no fear of God. When the LORD your God gives you rest from all the enemies around you in the land he is giving you to possess as an inheritance, you shall blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven. Do not forget!”

The Amalekites later joined with the Canaanites and attacked the Israelites at Hormah (Numbers 14:45). In Judges they banded with the Moabites (Judges 3:13) and the Midianites (Judges 6:3) to wage war on the Israelites. They were responsible for the repeated destruction of the Israelites’ land and food supply.


Hoisted upon your own petard.

I hope the Jews removed them from the face of the earth - every last one of them.

Again, no tabouli this time.

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Reply #22 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:25pm
 
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:19pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 2:51pm:
Nice try, but no falafel for you today.

Hitler's mob hated the Slavs far more than they did the French or Brits, but they still tried to bomb Britain and France back into the Stone Age.

Have a short rest and then try again.



Are you for Real?
https://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/world-war-2-statistics.asp

The Soviet Union Suffered 25,000,000 war dead, 9,750,000 of those were military.
The British Casualties 450,900 (does not include dominions)
Hitler's mob killed a lot more Slavs.

Please go back and read some history


Please go back and read my post again.
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Reply #23 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:28pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 2:34pm:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:37am:
I see no difference between Islamophobia and anti-Semitism. They both come from the creation of negative sterotypes.


Let's re-phrase that, shall we?

"I see no difference between anti-Islamism and anti-Semitism".

Result?

Huge difference.

The Sacred Texts of Islam contain exhortations against the Infidel that are completely absent in the Jewish Torah.

Beginning to see the picture?

Prior to WWII the Jews were completely innocent of acts of mass-murder against innocent civilian targets. It's too long for me to list the atrocities committed in the name of Islam in recent years to the cries of "Allahu Akbar!"

Is it becoming a little clearer to you now that linking anti-Semitism with anti-Islamism plays upon a very false analogy?



It shouldn't, Herbie, not when you want to ban Jews as well.

The Torah doesn't call them infidels, it calls them Gentiles. The Jews were free to rape them, kill them, take their land and take them as slaves.

Not racist, of course. Gentiles are not a race.
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Reply #24 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:45pm
 
End of conversation, Lapstone. One of the trolls has arrived.
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Reply #25 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 4:03pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 10:09am:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:37am:
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


I see no difference between Islamophobia and anti-Semitism. They both come from the creation of negative sterotypes.


Is it possible to create a 'positive stereotype' for Islam'? Anyone want to take a crack at that?


Why would one wish to create stereotypes for anyone?

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Reply #26 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 4:34pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:45pm:
End of conversation, Lapstone. One of the trolls has arrived.


Too much hassle, Herbie?

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Reply #27 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 8:46pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:24pm:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
[quote


Quote:
from 1 Samuel 15:3: "This is what the Lord Almighty says ... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey


The Israelites obeyed the word of their lord and committed Genocide, Go back and read your old testament.Because you are wrong.



Own goal.

'Like many desert tribes, the Amalekites were nomadic. Numbers 13:29 places them as native to the Negev, the desert between Egypt and Canaan. The Babylonians called them the Sute, Egyptians the Sittiu, and the Amarna tablets refer to them as the Khabbati, or “plunderers.”

'The Amalekites’ unrelenting brutality toward the Israelites began with an attack at Rephidim (Exodus 17:8–13). This is recounted in Deuteronomy 25:17–19 with this admonition: “Remember what the Amalekites did to you along the way when you came out of Egypt. When you were weary and worn out, they met you on your journey and attacked all who were lagging behind [typically women and children]: they had no fear of God. When the LORD your God gives you rest from all the enemies around you in the land he is giving you to possess as an inheritance, you shall blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven. Do not forget!”

The Amalekites later joined with the Canaanites and attacked the Israelites at Hormah (Numbers 14:45). In Judges they banded with the Moabites (Judges 3:13) and the Midianites (Judges 6:3) to wage war on the Israelites. They were responsible for the repeated destruction of the Israelites’ land and food supply.


Hoisted upon your own petard.

I hope the Jews removed them from the face of the earth - every last one of them.

Again, no tabouli this time.



You are a legend in your own mind, although I think you need to stop reading your own press.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 2:34pm:
Prior to WWII the Jews were completely innocent of acts of mass-murder against innocent civilian targets. It's too long for me to list the atrocities committed in the name of Islam in recent years to the cries of "Allahu Akbar!"


Genocide https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/genocide
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The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group.


The Amalekites are of a particular nation or ethnic group. The Israelites were instructed to "devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey. Which appears to me as a lot of people. Under what sort definition do you exclude children and infants as being innocent?

You said Quote:
Prior to WWII the Jews were completely innocent of acts of mass-murder against innocent civilian targets
An instruction to kill children and infants is one that targets the innocent.

Let us deal with historical realities. A group of people decide to revolt and make a dash for freedom. They head for a distant land like the location and indulge in a process of ethnic cleansing to get rid of the existing occupants. The dead cannot come back and reclaim the land so our group of happy travelers decide to commit genocide on the basis that their sky fairy  promised them the land and told them to do it.


Now you write that the Amalekites (existing residents in the land of Canaan) Joined with the Canaanites after who the land of Canaan was named then banded with the Moabites and the Midianites. I do not know about you but I would resent a group of people trying to move into my home because God said that he gave it to them. I might try and defend my home.

Indisputable Historical fact. For the generations that the tribes of Israel were the slave race of Egypt. The Amalekites, Canaanites, Moabites and Midianites existed and established communities in the land of Canaan. They built towns and cities. If you believe the bible then you will see when these towns and cities were destroyed.

Exodus 34:11-14
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“Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I will drive out before you the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. Take care, lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land to which you go, lest it become a snare in your midst. You shall tear down their altars and break their pillars and cut down their Asherim (for you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God),


You know maybe the inhabitants of the land to which they go, did not want to be invaded.
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Reply #28 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 8:52pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 4:34pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 3:45pm:
End of conversation, Lapstone. One of the trolls has arrived.


Too much hassle, Herbie?



It stretches ones incredulity that twice the tribes of Israel walked in to a land with no people being a people with no land.
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Reply #29 - Oct 15th, 2017 at 2:06pm
 
Amaleks 1500 B.C. roughly, apologists always conveniently forget muslim aggression

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The Timeline of muslim crusades which caused the Christian crusades:
630 Two years before Muhammad’s death of a fever, he launches the Tabuk Crusades,
632-634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr the Muslim Crusaders conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia.
633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid al-Walid, conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River
634 At the Battle of Yarmuk in Syria the Muslim Crusaders defeat the Byzantines.
634-644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al-Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal.
635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and conquer of Damascus.
636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk.
637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al-Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636).
638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines.
638-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea.
639-642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt.
641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine.
643-707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa.
644-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind.
656 Battle of the Camel,
657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali
673-678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire
705 Abd al-Malik restores Umayyad rule.
710-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley.
711-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus.
719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governorship.
732 The Muslim Crusaders are stopped at the Battle of Poitiers; that is, Franks (France) halt Arab advance.
749 The Abbasids conquer Kufah and overthrow Umayyids.
756 Foundation of Umayyid emirate in Cordova, Spain, setting up an independent kingdom from Abbasids.
762 Foundation of Baghdad
785 Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova
789 Rise of Idrisid emirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco; foundation of Fez; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed.
800 Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia.
807 Caliph Harun al-Rashid orders the destruction of non-Muslim prayer houses and of the Church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem.
809 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy.
813 Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country.
831 Muslim Crusaders capture of Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy.
855 Revolt of the Christians of Hims (Syria)
837-901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France.
909 Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia.
928-969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969).
937 The Church of the Resurrection (known as Church of Holy Sepulcher in Latin West) is burned down by Muslims;
960 Conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam
969 Fatimids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Egypt and found Cairo.
973 Israel and southern Syria are again conquered by the Fatimids.
1003 First persecutions by al-Hakim; the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, is destroyed.
1012 Beginning of al-Hakim’s oppressive decrees against Jews and Christians
1031 Collapse of Umayyid Caliphate and establishment of 15 minor independent dynasties throughout Muslim Andalus
1050 Creation of Almoravid (Muslim Crusaders) movement in Mauretania; Almoravids (also known as Murabitun) are coalition of western Saharan Berbers; followers of Islam, focusing on the Quran, the hadith, and Maliki law.
1055 Seljuk Prince Tughrul enters Baghdad, consolidation of the Seljuk Sultanate.
1071 Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk Turks (Muslim Crusaders) defeat Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia.
1071 Turks (Muslim Crusaders) invade Palestine.
1073 Conquest of Jerusalem by Turks (Muslim Crusaders)
1075 Seljuks (Muslim Crusaders) capture Nicea (Iznik) and make it their capital in Anatolia.
1076 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) conquer western Ghana.
1086 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) send help to Andalus, Battle of Zallaca.
1090-1091 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) occupy all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands.
1095 Pope Urban II preaches first Crusade; they capture Jerusalem in 1099
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