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Reply #15 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:52pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 8:57pm:
this is all a cover to prepare us for blackouts in summer.



That was a forgone conclusion when AEMO, in their report to government, admitted that windpower would probably only supply 2-5% of nameplate capacity, based on their data from previous years.



Surely the power could be stored from wind energy & solar panels?

You only have to use the power to pump water uphill to a lake
or some sort of covered reservoir and then recover the energy
by using a hydro electric turbine when it comes back down.

I think the renewable effort has been very poor in Australia.
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Reply #16 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:03pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:52pm:
You only have to use the power to pump water uphill to a lake


First you may have to create or enlarge the lake. The greenies will object.

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Reply #17 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:14pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:03pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:52pm:
You only have to use the power to pump water uphill to a lake


First you may have to create or enlarge the lake. The greenies will object.




Actually a lake is inefficient because too much water is lost
due to evaporation.
A giant covered reservoir is needed.
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Reply #18 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:16pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:14pm:
Actually a lake is inefficient because too much water is lost
due to evaporation.
A giant covered reservoir is needed.



Still the same problem.
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Reply #19 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:17pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:14pm:
Actually a lake is inefficient because too much water is lost
due to evaporation.
A giant covered reservoir is needed.



Still the same problem.



Greenies would love such an energy storage system.
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Reply #20 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:25pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:17pm:
Greenies would love such an energy storage system.



Nope. They would find something of significance that would be drowned. Whose habitat destroyed.
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Reply #21 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:35pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 8:28pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 8:08pm:
lee wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:21pm:
Has everybody got Smart Meters or is it all promissory?


you mean those dumb meters that were going to help reduce our electricity bills. What a con that was Sad

The reason why the pollies couldn't wait to get rid of the old mechanical meters was because they gave everyone parity on their feedins which is how it should be.


yes. Those meters. How will they know if you abide by a promise to set your aircon to a higher temperature?


they can monitor your usage and switch off your air-conditioner remotely I was told but I believe you have to enable this option in the air-conditioner for it to work.
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Reply #22 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:38pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:35pm:
they can monitor your usage and switch off your air-conditioner remotely I was told but I believe you have to enable this option in the air-conditioner for it to work.



Only if it is a smart meter. the old analogue ones don't have connectivity to the internet.
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Reply #23 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:39pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:38pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:35pm:
they can monitor your usage and switch off your air-conditioner remotely I was told but I believe you have to enable this option in the air-conditioner for it to work.



Only if it is a smart meter. the old analogue ones don't have connectivity to the internet.


Everyone knows that.  Cheesy
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Reply #24 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:52pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:39pm:
Everyone knows that.


I remain in awe of the stupidity of some.

So those people without a smart meter, I guess they're going to miss out on the government largesse. The rich can afford to get them installed. The poor will have to wait. Huh
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Reply #25 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:55pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:52pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:39pm:
Everyone knows that.


I remain in awe of the stupidity of some.

So those people without a smart meter, I guess they're going to miss out on the government largesse. The rich can afford to get them installed. The poor will have to wait. Huh



Smart meters were installed by law in Melbourne -
we had no choice.
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Reply #26 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 11:16pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:55pm:
Smart meters were installed by law in Melbourne -
we had no choice.



It doesn't appear to be complete in NSW and SA. They are also slated for the smart meters.
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Reply #27 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 5:55am
 
I repeat.

Surely the power could be stored from wind energy & solar panels?

You only have to use the power to pump water uphill to a lake
or some sort of covered reservoir and then recover the energy
by using a hydro electric turbine when it comes back down.

I think the renewable effort has been very poor in Australia.
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Reply #28 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 7:01am
 
Bobby, you have to take into account the efficiency of the pump and the generator as to whether this is a worthwhile proposition. Snowy hydro have this capacity already at their Tumut 3 power station but rarely use it. It becomes worth while when using cheap off peak power to power the pumps.
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Reply #29 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 7:01am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 5:55am:
I repeat.

Surely the power could be stored from wind energy & solar panels?

You only have to use the power to pump water uphill to a lake
or some sort of covered reservoir and then recover the energy
by using a hydro electric turbine when it comes back down.

I think the renewable effort has been very poor in Australia.



It has to be a deep lake to get the 'head' high enough to run turbines for that you need some decent mountains.

Work has it the the QLD government is going to lift the Burdekin Dam another 9 metres to just 50 metres deep and fit out hydro power.

The Lake behind the dam in 220 km2 and the catchment  is 115 000 km2


And all of that will power only 30 000 homes in the north, or about 80 000 people. We have a population of well over half a million in that area.


How big of a dam will Melbourne need or dams more likely and where will they go?


What happens when the greenies find out about them, they will only allow intermittent power from intermittent sources like solar and wind and NOTHING else


Thanks to stupid environmentalists and an even more stupid public, Australia will continue to be the laughing stock of the world when is come to providing safe, reliable and cheap energy to its population.

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