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Reply #15 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 9:33pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
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"Race" is an artificial construct, created by White people to justify their imperialism.  Genetically we are all, essentially, identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, Soren.  "Race" as you and other racists use the concept is non-scientific and silly but then, that describes you exactly, now doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Thanks, Bwian, no white privilege, then.


No, no "White privilege" that is not a social construct, Soren.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What? "No, no "White privilege" that is not a social construct, Soren."   What the blazes does that MEAN?


Read it again, Soren.  You can move your lips if you find it necessary.  You'll eventually understand what I said...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #16 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 11:01pm
 
Don't bother reading it again....  it will never make sense in the real world.
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Reply #17 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 8:27am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:15pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 10:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 7:48pm:
"Race" is an artificial construct, created by White people to justify their imperialism.  Genetically we are all, essentially, identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, Soren.  "Race" as you and other racists use the concept is non-scientific and silly but then, that describes you exactly, now doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Thanks, Bwian, no white privilege, then.


No, no "White privilege" that is not a social construct, Soren.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What? "No, no "White privilege" that is not a social construct, Soren."   What the blazes does that MEAN?


Read it again, Soren.  You can move your lips if you find it necessary.  You'll eventually understand what I said...   Roll Eyes

Well, you don't understand yourself, Bwian.

You have created an irrelevance to argue that there in no such race.
But you also argue that, even if there is no race, there is racism. But you are not able to say what it is based on because you have defined it away in your uniquely idiotic, non-comprehending way.

So, Bwian, what is the basis of white privilege if there is no such thing as white or black race? You do you tell white from black, Bwian?

Or - why do the Chinese and Japanese see each other as different? Koreans? Poles and Russians? Germans? Ethiopians and Sudanese?

They are all racists, noticing what Bwian says isn't there at all.
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Reply #18 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:30pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 8:27am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:15pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 10:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 7:48pm:
"Race" is an artificial construct, created by White people to justify their imperialism.  Genetically we are all, essentially, identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, Soren.  "Race" as you and other racists use the concept is non-scientific and silly but then, that describes you exactly, now doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Thanks, Bwian, no white privilege, then.


No, no "White privilege" that is not a social construct, Soren.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What? "No, no "White privilege" that is not a social construct, Soren."   What the blazes does that MEAN?


Read it again, Soren.  You can move your lips if you find it necessary.  You'll eventually understand what I said...   Roll Eyes

Well, you don't understand yourself, Bwian.

You have created an irrelevance to argue that there in no such race.
But you also argue that, even if there is no race, there is racism. But you are not able to say what it is based on because you have defined it away in your uniquely idiotic, non-comprehending way.

So, Bwian, what is the basis of white privilege if there is no such thing as white or black race? You do you tell white from black, Bwian?

Or - why do the Chinese and Japanese see each other as different? Koreans? Poles and Russians? Germans? Ethiopians and Sudanese?

They are all racists, noticing what Bwian says isn't there at all.



Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Do we have to travel down this silly path yet again, Soren?  Have you already forgotten the drubbing I gave you last time about the concept of "race".   Racism is an aspect of the misbegotten idea that there are different "races".  In reality there is only one "race", the human one.  We all share the same Genetic material.   It allows us to interbreed.  There are more differences within each "racial" group than there is between them.   The only major differences between the different "races" are superficial, physical adaptations to evolutionary needs caused by differing environments.   Tsk, tsk, you should stop having a closed mind, Soren.  You claim to understand science but it is obvious that you are still mired in prejudice and bigotry.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #19 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:06pm
 
I was talking to a dark skinned fellow about the fifth at Randwick the other day he didn't seem to mind.
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Reply #20 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:11pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:30pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 8:27am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:15pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 10:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 7:48pm:
"Race" is an artificial construct, created by White people to justify their imperialism.  Genetically we are all, essentially, identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, Soren.  "Race" as you and other racists use the concept is non-scientific and silly but then, that describes you exactly, now doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Thanks, Bwian, no white privilege, then.


No, no "White privilege" that is not a social construct, Soren.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What? "No, no "White privilege" that is not a social construct, Soren."   What the blazes does that MEAN?


Read it again, Soren.  You can move your lips if you find it necessary.  You'll eventually understand what I said...   Roll Eyes

Well, you don't understand yourself, Bwian.

You have created an irrelevance to argue that there in no such race.
But you also argue that, even if there is no race, there is racism. But you are not able to say what it is based on because you have defined it away in your uniquely idiotic, non-comprehending way.

So, Bwian, what is the basis of white privilege if there is no such thing as white or black race? You do you tell white from black, Bwian?

Or - why do the Chinese and Japanese see each other as different? Koreans? Poles and Russians? Germans? Ethiopians and Sudanese?

They are all racists, noticing what Bwian says isn't there at all.



Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Do we have to travel down this silly path yet again, Soren?  Have you already forgotten the drubbing I gave you last time about the concept of "race".   Racism is an aspect of the misbegotten idea that there are different "races".  In reality there is only one "race", the human one.  We all share the same Genetic material.   It allows us to interbreed.  There are more differences within each "racial" group than there is between them.   The only major differences between the different "races" are superficial, physical adaptations to evolutionary needs caused by differing environments.   Tsk, tsk, you should stop having a closed mind, Soren.  You claim to understand science but it is obvious that you are still mired in prejudice and bigotry.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

So affirmative action is about some trivial, superficial thing?
Same with 'white privilege. We can interfered so there is no need for racial discrimination acts and the whole apparatus of 'black liberation, etc. All trivial nonsense.

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Reply #21 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:36pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
So affirmative action is about some trivial, superficial thing?


Nope.  It is about correcting the social disadvantage your racism has produced, Soren.

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Same with 'white privilege. We can interfered so there is no need for racial discrimination acts and the whole apparatus of 'black liberation, etc. All trivial nonsense.


Up to the people concerned, Soren.  Perhaps you should ask the people who have been disadvantages socially by your "white privilege"?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #22 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 6:05am
 
There are no races, only racism.
Genius.


You can pin anything on people while acknowledging the utter baselessness of your accusations.  Lenin is proud of you.
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Reply #23 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 6:05am:
There are no races, only racism.
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Why thank'ee, Soren.  Thats the nicest thing you've ever said about me.  What a pity you refuse to understand that the concept of "race" that you use is a social construct.  It has no scientific validity.  There are more differences within each "racial" group than between them.  We all share the same genetic mix, it is what allows the different "races" to interbreed.  There are essentially no Genetic differences between the so-called "races".   There is only one race, the human one and the sooner you recognise not that jettison your archaic beliefs in the supposedly superiority of the White "race" over all others, the better.   Roll Eyes

So, why don't you try and explain to us again, exactly what the Genetic differences are between Whites and other human beings with tinted skins?  It is always amusing to read your beliefs because that is all they are, beliefs, not scientifically proven.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #24 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 10:48pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 6:05am:
There are no races, only racism.
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Why thank'ee, Soren.  Thats the nicest thing you've ever said about me.  What a pity you refuse to understand that the concept of "race" that you use is a social construct.  It has no scientific validity.  There are more differences within each "racial" group than between them.  We all share the same genetic mix, it is what allows the different "races" to interbreed.  There are essentially no Genetic differences between the so-called "races".   There is only one race, the human one and the sooner you recognise not that jettison your archaic beliefs in the supposedly superiority of the White "race" over all others, the better.   Roll Eyes

So, why don't you try and explain to us again, exactly what the Genetic differences are between Whites and other human beings with tinted skins?  It is always amusing to read your beliefs because that is all they are, beliefs, not scientifically proven.   Roll Eyes

As long as there are no racists either, I will go along.

But you are stupid enough to insist that there are no races yet keep 'racism' up your sleeve to bludgeon people with.

'Genius' was meant ironically, you cloth eared deaf old aunt.
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Reply #25 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 10:59pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:36pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
So affirmative action is about some trivial, superficial thing?


Nope.  It is about correcting the social disadvantage your racism has produced, Soren.

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Same with 'white privilege. We can interfered so there is no need for racial discrimination acts and the whole apparatus of 'black liberation, etc. All trivial nonsense.


Up to the people concerned, Soren.  Perhaps you should ask the people who have been disadvantages socially by your "white privilege"?   Roll Eyes

Well, they were not disadvantaged due to their race as they have NO race.
So how did they get disadvantaged? Please tell us, you must know. You are Bwian, and Bwian KNOWS. It's  not race - what then?

And who is going to tell them racially oppressed folks that they are ignorant fools for scientifically speaking, Bwian knows they are all wrong about race?


You are colossal fool, Bwian. Laughable, a comical exaggeration of the mindless idiotic progressive who cannot possibly NOT get the wrong end of every stick. You are the perfect weatherwane of the mind  - whatever you say it's  always a mistake, a misunderstanding, misapprehension and distortion.
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Reply #26 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 3:02pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 10:48pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 6:05am:
There are no races, only racism.
Genius.


Why thank'ee, Soren.  Thats the nicest thing you've ever said about me.  What a pity you refuse to understand that the concept of "race" that you use is a social construct.  It has no scientific validity.  There are more differences within each "racial" group than between them.  We all share the same genetic mix, it is what allows the different "races" to interbreed.  There are essentially no Genetic differences between the so-called "races".   There is only one race, the human one and the sooner you recognise not that jettison your archaic beliefs in the supposedly superiority of the White "race" over all others, the better.   Roll Eyes

So, why don't you try and explain to us again, exactly what the Genetic differences are between Whites and other human beings with tinted skins?  It is always amusing to read your beliefs because that is all they are, beliefs, not scientifically proven.   Roll Eyes

As long as there are no racists either, I will go along.

But you are stupid enough to insist that there are no races yet keep 'racism' up your sleeve to bludgeon people with.


Ah, so I should not point out the fallacy of the motivation that drives you and many others here, Soren?  Afterall, I am always pointing out that the concept of "Race" is a social construct, and as a consequence, so is racism.   It has no scientific basis.  We are all come from the same Genetic mix, we are all inter-related, Gentically.  It is what allows us to interbreed.   The only differences are superficial, physical adaptations to differing environments.  Everything else you and other continually construe from that is a social construct on which you base your attitudes.

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'Genius' was meant ironically, you cloth eared deaf old aunt.


Really?  Oh, dear.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #27 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 3:07pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 10:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:36pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
So affirmative action is about some trivial, superficial thing?


Nope.  It is about correcting the social disadvantage your racism has produced, Soren.

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Same with 'white privilege. We can interfered so there is no need for racial discrimination acts and the whole apparatus of 'black liberation, etc. All trivial nonsense.


Up to the people concerned, Soren.  Perhaps you should ask the people who have been disadvantages socially by your "white privilege"?   Roll Eyes

Well, they were not disadvantaged due to their race as they have NO race.
So how did they get disadvantaged? Please tell us, you must know. You are Bwian, and Bwian KNOWS. It's  not race - what then?


Economics.  Technology.   You know, social things, not Genetic things, Soren.   Roll Eyes

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And who is going to tell them racially oppressed folks that they are ignorant fools for scientifically speaking, Bwian knows they are all wrong about race?


You can be "racially oppressed" as long as you recognise there is no such thing as the concept of "race" as proclaimed by racists, Soren.   Tsk, tsk, you really are being deliberately foolish, now aren't you?   Surely you should be thinking about sex, pooh and all those other things that Freud claimed drove our thinking?    Roll Eyes

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You are colossal fool, Bwian. Laughable, a comical exaggeration of the mindless idiotic progressive who cannot possibly NOT get the wrong end of every stick. You are the perfect weatherwane of the mind  - whatever you say it's  always a mistake, a misunderstanding, misapprehension and distortion.
You are reliable that way.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  You really just cannot handle any thing that doesn't fit into your narrow minded views on how the world operates, can you, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, and you claim yourself superior to all other "races" simply because you have a paler skin?   Really?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #28 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:34am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 10:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:36pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
So affirmative action is about some trivial, superficial thing?


Nope.  It is about correcting the social disadvantage your racism has produced, Soren.

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Same with 'white privilege. We can interfered so there is no need for racial discrimination acts and the whole apparatus of 'black liberation, etc. All trivial nonsense.


Up to the people concerned, Soren.  Perhaps you should ask the people who have been disadvantages socially by your "white privilege"?   Roll Eyes

Well, they were not disadvantaged due to their race as they have NO race.
So how did they get disadvantaged? Please tell us, you must know. You are Bwian, and Bwian KNOWS. It's  not race - what then?


Economics.  Technology.   You know, social things, not Genetic things, Soren.   Roll Eyes

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And who is going to tell them racially oppressed folks that they are ignorant fools for scientifically speaking, Bwian knows they are all wrong about race?


You can be "racially oppressed" as long as you recognise there is no such thing as the concept of "race" as proclaimed by racists, Soren.   Tsk, tsk, you really are being deliberately foolish, now aren't you?   Surely you should be thinking about sex, pooh and all those other things that Freud claimed drove our thinking?    Roll Eyes




So you can be racially oppressive as long as you realise that there is no such thing as race as the basis of oppression. If you are racially oppressive because you DO think there is such a thing as race, you are wrong.
The basis of oppression is not race but economics and technology - socially constructed things. Cultural things. So racism is about mapping evident cultural differences onto evident, immediately visible, smellable, audible 'racial' characteristics. 

So race is a shothand for the overlap of what you look like and the societies you come from. Whites come from curious, cooperative, accommodating and self-correcting societies. Black Africans tend to come from fractious, dog-eat-dog societies, as do Aborigines, Arabs and others. Their is often written on their sullen, resentful faces. They smell a bit of 'home', they dress like it's still Timbuktu and suck back great gobs of snot in public. Whites who do the same sort of thing are ALSO looked down on as primitive and strange.
The non-whites who assimilate to 'white' culture tend to be open-faced, engaging, well-spoken, clean and pleasant to be around. Their 'race' is pretty irrelevant even though we can still see that they don't need as much suntan lotion as the honkies.


Did I get it?  Race is about culture.  That's why cultural assimilation is the best response to 'racism'. So don't come to the other end of the world and still live like you haven't left Timbuktu because people will treat you like you belong THERE and not here.





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Reply #29 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 5:06pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:34am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 10:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:36pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
So affirmative action is about some trivial, superficial thing?


Nope.  It is about correcting the social disadvantage your racism has produced, Soren.

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Same with 'white privilege. We can interfered so there is no need for racial discrimination acts and the whole apparatus of 'black liberation, etc. All trivial nonsense.


Up to the people concerned, Soren.  Perhaps you should ask the people who have been disadvantages socially by your "white privilege"?   Roll Eyes

Well, they were not disadvantaged due to their race as they have NO race.
So how did they get disadvantaged? Please tell us, you must know. You are Bwian, and Bwian KNOWS. It's  not race - what then?


Economics.  Technology.   You know, social things, not Genetic things, Soren.   Roll Eyes

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And who is going to tell them racially oppressed folks that they are ignorant fools for scientifically speaking, Bwian knows they are all wrong about race?


You can be "racially oppressed" as long as you recognise there is no such thing as the concept of "race" as proclaimed by racists, Soren.   Tsk, tsk, you really are being deliberately foolish, now aren't you?   Surely you should be thinking about sex, pooh and all those other things that Freud claimed drove our thinking?    Roll Eyes



So you can be racially oppressive as long as you realise that there is no such thing as race as the basis of oppression. If you are racially oppressive because you DO think there is such a thing as race, you are wrong.


Exactly, Soren, exactly. "Race" is a social construct.  Racism grows from that.  Bravo, you're finally getting the modern idea about "race" and racism.    Shocked

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The basis of oppression is not race but economics and technology - socially constructed things. Cultural things. So racism is about mapping evident cultural differences onto evident, immediately visible, smellable, audible 'racial' characteristics. 


Well done.  People look different because their skin colour/characteristics are different therefore, according to the racists they are Genetically different, when in reality we are all the same (more or less) Genetically.  We all share common ancestors and we have evolved from them into the different "races" because of physical separation and adaptation to different physical environments.   Well done,  you're showing that you can change your thinking if you try hard enough.    Smiley

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So race is a shothand for the overlap of what you look like and the societies you come from. Whites come from curious, cooperative, accommodating and self-correcting societies. Black Africans tend to come from fractious, dog-eat-dog societies, as do Aborigines, Arabs and others. Their is often written on their sullen, resentful faces. They smell a bit of 'home', they dress like it's still Timbuktu and suck back great gobs of snot in public. Whites who do the same sort of thing are ALSO looked down on as primitive and strange.


No, we all come from curious, cooperative, accommodating societies.  It is when warped thinking, created by racists who are more interested in emphasising the differences than the similarities, that racism appears.

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The non-whites who assimilate to 'white' culture tend to be open-faced, engaging, well-spoken, clean and pleasant to be around. Their 'race' is pretty irrelevant even though we can still see that they don't need as much suntan lotion as the honkies.


No, that is racist thinking, Soren, which I am sure you are well aware of.  Tsk, tsk.  So much hope, dashed on the rocks of your racism...   Roll Eyes

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Did I get it?  Race is about culture.  That's why cultural assimilation is the best response to 'racism'. So don't come to the other end of the world and still live like you haven't left Timbuktu because people will treat you like you belong THERE and not here.


No, only racists will, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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