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Reply #15 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 10:48pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm:
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There are no races, only racism.
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Why thank'ee, Soren.  Thats the nicest thing you've ever said about me.  What a pity you refuse to understand that the concept of "race" that you use is a social construct.  It has no scientific validity.  There are more differences within each "racial" group than between them.  We all share the same genetic mix, it is what allows the different "races" to interbreed.  There are essentially no Genetic differences between the so-called "races".   There is only one race, the human one and the sooner you recognise not that jettison your archaic beliefs in the supposedly superiority of the White "race" over all others, the better.   Roll Eyes

So, why don't you try and explain to us again, exactly what the Genetic differences are between Whites and other human beings with tinted skins?  It is always amusing to read your beliefs because that is all they are, beliefs, not scientifically proven.   Roll Eyes

As long as there are no racists either, I will go along.

But you are stupid enough to insist that there are no races yet keep 'racism' up your sleeve to bludgeon people with.

'Genius' was meant ironically, you cloth eared deaf old aunt.
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Reply #16 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 10:59pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:36pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
So affirmative action is about some trivial, superficial thing?


Nope.  It is about correcting the social disadvantage your racism has produced, Soren.

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Same with 'white privilege. We can interfered so there is no need for racial discrimination acts and the whole apparatus of 'black liberation, etc. All trivial nonsense.


Up to the people concerned, Soren.  Perhaps you should ask the people who have been disadvantages socially by your "white privilege"?   Roll Eyes

Well, they were not disadvantaged due to their race as they have NO race.
So how did they get disadvantaged? Please tell us, you must know. You are Bwian, and Bwian KNOWS. It's  not race - what then?

And who is going to tell them racially oppressed folks that they are ignorant fools for scientifically speaking, Bwian knows they are all wrong about race?


You are colossal fool, Bwian. Laughable, a comical exaggeration of the mindless idiotic progressive who cannot possibly NOT get the wrong end of every stick. You are the perfect weatherwane of the mind  - whatever you say it's  always a mistake, a misunderstanding, misapprehension and distortion.
You are reliable that way.
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Reply #17 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:34am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 10:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:36pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
So affirmative action is about some trivial, superficial thing?


Nope.  It is about correcting the social disadvantage your racism has produced, Soren.

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Same with 'white privilege. We can interfered so there is no need for racial discrimination acts and the whole apparatus of 'black liberation, etc. All trivial nonsense.


Up to the people concerned, Soren.  Perhaps you should ask the people who have been disadvantages socially by your "white privilege"?   Roll Eyes

Well, they were not disadvantaged due to their race as they have NO race.
So how did they get disadvantaged? Please tell us, you must know. You are Bwian, and Bwian KNOWS. It's  not race - what then?


Economics.  Technology.   You know, social things, not Genetic things, Soren.   Roll Eyes

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And who is going to tell them racially oppressed folks that they are ignorant fools for scientifically speaking, Bwian knows they are all wrong about race?


You can be "racially oppressed" as long as you recognise there is no such thing as the concept of "race" as proclaimed by racists, Soren.   Tsk, tsk, you really are being deliberately foolish, now aren't you?   Surely you should be thinking about sex, pooh and all those other things that Freud claimed drove our thinking?    Roll Eyes




So you can be racially oppressive as long as you realise that there is no such thing as race as the basis of oppression. If you are racially oppressive because you DO think there is such a thing as race, you are wrong.
The basis of oppression is not race but economics and technology - socially constructed things. Cultural things. So racism is about mapping evident cultural differences onto evident, immediately visible, smellable, audible 'racial' characteristics. 

So race is a shothand for the overlap of what you look like and the societies you come from. Whites come from curious, cooperative, accommodating and self-correcting societies. Black Africans tend to come from fractious, dog-eat-dog societies, as do Aborigines, Arabs and others. Their is often written on their sullen, resentful faces. They smell a bit of 'home', they dress like it's still Timbuktu and suck back great gobs of snot in public. Whites who do the same sort of thing are ALSO looked down on as primitive and strange.
The non-whites who assimilate to 'white' culture tend to be open-faced, engaging, well-spoken, clean and pleasant to be around. Their 'race' is pretty irrelevant even though we can still see that they don't need as much suntan lotion as the honkies.


Did I get it?  Race is about culture.  That's why cultural assimilation is the best response to 'racism'. So don't come to the other end of the world and still live like you haven't left Timbuktu because people will treat you like you belong THERE and not here.





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Reply #18 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 5:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 5:06pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:34am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 10:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:36pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
So affirmative action is about some trivial, superficial thing?


Nope.  It is about correcting the social disadvantage your racism has produced, Soren.

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Same with 'white privilege. We can interfered so there is no need for racial discrimination acts and the whole apparatus of 'black liberation, etc. All trivial nonsense.


Up to the people concerned, Soren.  Perhaps you should ask the people who have been disadvantages socially by your "white privilege"?   Roll Eyes

Well, they were not disadvantaged due to their race as they have NO race.
So how did they get disadvantaged? Please tell us, you must know. You are Bwian, and Bwian KNOWS. It's  not race - what then?


Economics.  Technology.   You know, social things, not Genetic things, Soren.   Roll Eyes

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And who is going to tell them racially oppressed folks that they are ignorant fools for scientifically speaking, Bwian knows they are all wrong about race?


You can be "racially oppressed" as long as you recognise there is no such thing as the concept of "race" as proclaimed by racists, Soren.   Tsk, tsk, you really are being deliberately foolish, now aren't you?   Surely you should be thinking about sex, pooh and all those other things that Freud claimed drove our thinking?    Roll Eyes



So you can be racially oppressive as long as you realise that there is no such thing as race as the basis of oppression. If you are racially oppressive because you DO think there is such a thing as race, you are wrong.


Exactly, Soren, exactly. "Race" is a social construct.  Racism grows from that.  Bravo, you're finally getting the modern idea about "race" and racism.    Shocked

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The basis of oppression is not race but economics and technology - socially constructed things. Cultural things. So racism is about mapping evident cultural differences onto evident, immediately visible, smellable, audible 'racial' characteristics. 


Well done.  People look different because their skin colour/characteristics are different therefore, according to the racists they are Genetically different, when in reality we are all the same (more or less) Genetically.  We all share common ancestors and we have evolved from them into the different "races" because of physical separation and adaptation to different physical environments.   Well done,  you're showing that you can change your thinking if you try hard enough.    Smiley

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So race is a shothand for the overlap of what you look like and the societies you come from. Whites come from curious, cooperative, accommodating and self-correcting societies. Black Africans tend to come from fractious, dog-eat-dog societies, as do Aborigines, Arabs and others. Their is often written on their sullen, resentful faces. They smell a bit of 'home', they dress like it's still Timbuktu and suck back great gobs of snot in public. Whites who do the same sort of thing are ALSO looked down on as primitive and strange.


No, we all come from curious, cooperative, accommodating societies.  It is when warped thinking, created by racists who are more interested in emphasising the differences than the similarities, that racism appears.

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The non-whites who assimilate to 'white' culture tend to be open-faced, engaging, well-spoken, clean and pleasant to be around. Their 'race' is pretty irrelevant even though we can still see that they don't need as much suntan lotion as the honkies.


No, that is racist thinking, Soren, which I am sure you are well aware of.  Tsk, tsk.  So much hope, dashed on the rocks of your racism...   Roll Eyes

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Did I get it?  Race is about culture.  That's why cultural assimilation is the best response to 'racism'. So don't come to the other end of the world and still live like you haven't left Timbuktu because people will treat you like you belong THERE and not here.


No, only racists will, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
So aborigines are just humans like us all and deserve no special treatment hey Brian? No races hey?
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Reply #19 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 5:21pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 5:06pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:34am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 10:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:36pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
So affirmative action is about some trivial, superficial thing?


Nope.  It is about correcting the social disadvantage your racism has produced, Soren.

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Same with 'white privilege. We can interfered so there is no need for racial discrimination acts and the whole apparatus of 'black liberation, etc. All trivial nonsense.


Up to the people concerned, Soren.  Perhaps you should ask the people who have been disadvantages socially by your "white privilege"?   Roll Eyes

Well, they were not disadvantaged due to their race as they have NO race.
So how did they get disadvantaged? Please tell us, you must know. You are Bwian, and Bwian KNOWS. It's  not race - what then?


Economics.  Technology.   You know, social things, not Genetic things, Soren.   Roll Eyes

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And who is going to tell them racially oppressed folks that they are ignorant fools for scientifically speaking, Bwian knows they are all wrong about race?


You can be "racially oppressed" as long as you recognise there is no such thing as the concept of "race" as proclaimed by racists, Soren.   Tsk, tsk, you really are being deliberately foolish, now aren't you?   Surely you should be thinking about sex, pooh and all those other things that Freud claimed drove our thinking?    Roll Eyes



So you can be racially oppressive as long as you realise that there is no such thing as race as the basis of oppression. If you are racially oppressive because you DO think there is such a thing as race, you are wrong.


Exactly, Soren, exactly. "Race" is a social construct.  Racism grows from that.  Bravo, you're finally getting the modern idea about "race" and racism.    Shocked

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The basis of oppression is not race but economics and technology - socially constructed things. Cultural things. So racism is about mapping evident cultural differences onto evident, immediately visible, smellable, audible 'racial' characteristics. 


Well done.  People look different because their skin colour/characteristics are different therefore, according to the racists they are Genetically different, when in reality we are all the same (more or less) Genetically.  We all share common ancestors and we have evolved from them into the different "races" because of physical separation and adaptation to different physical environments.   Well done,  you're showing that you can change your thinking if you try hard enough.    Smiley

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So race is a shothand for the overlap of what you look like and the societies you come from. Whites come from curious, cooperative, accommodating and self-correcting societies. Black Africans tend to come from fractious, dog-eat-dog societies, as do Aborigines, Arabs and others. Their is often written on their sullen, resentful faces. They smell a bit of 'home', they dress like it's still Timbuktu and suck back great gobs of snot in public. Whites who do the same sort of thing are ALSO looked down on as primitive and strange.


No, we all come from curious, cooperative, accommodating societies.  It is when warped thinking, created by racists who are more interested in emphasising the differences than the similarities, that racism appears.

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The non-whites who assimilate to 'white' culture tend to be open-faced, engaging, well-spoken, clean and pleasant to be around. Their 'race' is pretty irrelevant even though we can still see that they don't need as much suntan lotion as the honkies.


No, that is racist thinking, Soren, which I am sure you are well aware of.  Tsk, tsk.  So much hope, dashed on the rocks of your racism...   Roll Eyes

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Did I get it?  Race is about culture.  That's why cultural assimilation is the best response to 'racism'. So don't come to the other end of the world and still live like you haven't left Timbuktu because people will treat you like you belong THERE and not here.


No, only racists will, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

You deny the logic of your own argument, Bwian.

There ARE cultural differences and they are NOT accidental. Groups of people create their own cultures (usually in the image of their gods). Primitive people have primitive cultures, advanced, enlightened people have advanced, enlightened cultures.

You CAN choose which culture to assimilate to. Race solidarity makes a lot of non-whites (they DO believe in races) stick with their backward cultures because at least it's theirs, they figure. Non-whites are far more racist toward other non-whites than they are resentful towards whites.

The white man's 'sin' is to show up the inadequacy of most non-white cultures.



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Reply #20 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 6:11pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 5:41pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, it doesn't matter what people believe in.  It is what Science proves.  Science, in the form of Genetics, proves there is no major differences Genetically between the various "races".   The only differences are superficial, physical adaptations to environments.  We all share the same Genetic mix, it is what makes us a single species, Soren - homo sapiens sapiens.   It is what allows us to interbreed.    Until you accept that you are no different to a Viking, gibbering in the forest about Thor making thunder the next time a storm hits.  You are socially, no different at all to those Indigenous Australians or New Guineans.  Your views are the same as the so-called "primitives" whom you deride so much.   Tsk,tsk, get back to your Madrassa, Soren.   Primitive.   Rejecter of Science.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Having just read three pages of Brian Ross'es drivel I will attest to the fact there is only one race, and as such no one can be racist.
Thats correct eh you you racist bigot.


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Reply #21 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 6:22pm
 
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, it doesn't matter what people believe in.  It is what Science proves.  Science, in the form of Genetics, proves there is no major differences Genetically between the various "races".   The only differences are superficial, physical adaptations to environments.  We all share the same Genetic mix, it is what makes us a single species, Soren - homo sapiens sapiens.   It is what allows us to interbreed.    Until you accept that you are no different to a Viking, gibbering in the forest about Thor making thunder the next time a storm hits.  You are socially, no different at all to those Indigenous Australians or New Guineans.  Your views are the same as the so-called "primitives" whom you deride so much.   Tsk,tsk, get back to your Madrassa, Soren.   Primitive.   Rejecter of Science.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



"It is what Science proves. "

Grin Grin

You are obviously not aware that science is a human-made cultural construct. Race is a cultural thing. All human life is a cultural thing as it is lived. NOBODY lives genetically, nobody - well nobody other than you - relates to others genetically but culturally. Science is cultural.



'Race' indicates cultural difference. You worship 'science' and 'genetics' as if they were not as artificial  - ie man-made - as any other cultural construct.



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Reply #22 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 7:18pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 6:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 5:41pm:
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, it doesn't matter what people believe in.  It is what Science proves.  Science, in the form of Genetics, proves there is no major differences Genetically between the various "races".   The only differences are superficial, physical adaptations to environments.  We all share the same Genetic mix, it is what makes us a single species, Soren - homo sapiens sapiens.   It is what allows us to interbreed.    Until you accept that you are no different to a Viking, gibbering in the forest about Thor making thunder the next time a storm hits.  You are socially, no different at all to those Indigenous Australians or New Guineans.  Your views are the same as the so-called "primitives" whom you deride so much.   Tsk,tsk, get back to your Madrassa, Soren.   Primitive.   Rejecter of Science.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



"It is what Science proves. "

Grin Grin

You are obviously not aware that science is a human-made cultural construct. Race is a cultural thing. All human life is a cultural thing as it is lived. NOBODY lives genetically, nobody - well nobody other than you - relates to others genetically but culturally. Science is cultural.



'Race' indicates cultural difference. You worship 'science' and 'genetics' as if they were not as artificial  - ie man-made - as any other cultural construct.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   Poor, poor, Soren, a primitive.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes



You have no argument, only a stupid yawn. It's a sign that you are too stupid to understand your own contradictions.


Go to sleep, your head must be hurting, little old auntie.



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Thanks bwian, just won a ten dollar bet that your post would consist of yawns...   Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
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When will the European daughters, violated by Muslim 'refugees', make the front page of Western newspapers the way the 'Muslim refugees' constantly make thee front pages about their faux grievances???


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Reply #26 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 8:34pm
 
Indigenous/black/non-white science and physics are obviously different to white, colonialist, oppressive physics....

https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/dqblt8/looks_like_a_situation...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/drniq8/wcgw_if_i_throw_a_shov...


White guy tries indigenous physics....
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Disrespected the spirits, no doubt.
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Reply #27 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:13pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 7:48pm:
"Race" is an artificial construct, created by White people to justify their imperialism.  Genetically we are all, essentially, identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, Soren.  "Race" as you and other racists use the concept is non-scientific and silly but then, that describes you exactly, now doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Thanks Brian, if we are all racially identical why do you use the term "white" ?


We are Genetically identical, we all share the same Genetic pool.  "White" merely identifies a group with paler skin compared to all other Humans, Rhino.   There is only one race, the human one.   Roll Eyes
and yet you continue to use terms to delineate between races. You cant have it both ways, either race exists or it doesnt. If it doesnt as you claim then it is pointless to use the term "white" because it doesnt identify anyone other than those with white skin. Thats racism Brian.
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Reply #28 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:00pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:28pm:
rhino wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 7:48pm:
"Race" is an artificial construct, created by White people to justify their imperialism.  Genetically we are all, essentially, identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, Soren.  "Race" as you and other racists use the concept is non-scientific and silly but then, that describes you exactly, now doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Thanks Brian, if we are all racially identical why do you use the term "white" ?


We are Genetically identical, we all share the same Genetic pool.  "White" merely identifies a group with paler skin compared to all other Humans, Rhino.   There is only one race, the human one.   Roll Eyes
and yet you continue to use terms to delineate between races. You cant have it both ways, either race exists or it doesnt. If it doesnt as you claim then it is pointless to use the term "white" because it doesnt identify anyone other than those with white skin. Thats racism Brian.


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When you cease to use the term, I will cease to use the term.  When discussing "race" one must use terms that Racists understand otherwise you will be mystified by what I am saying.  Roll Eyes
Are you calling the whole field of forensic anthropology racist? I will never be mystified by what you are saying Brian, my IQ is at least 20 points above yours.
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Sorry I have deleted a post
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