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Austria advances the cause of civilising its Musli
Oct 2nd, 2017 at 7:50am
 
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Well done Austria. Congratulations for having the ticker not to tolerate this 7th century nonsense.

Austria bans full-face coverings.


"Restrictions are aimed at 'ensuring the cohesion of society in an open society'


"In a ruling announcing the ban, officials in Vienna said: 'Acceptance and respect of Austrian values are basic conditions for successful cohabitation between the majority Austrian population and people from third countries living in Austria.'

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"Elections on October 15 are expected to see the anti-immigration Freedom Party (FPOe) come second or third and potentially enter a coalition with Sebastian Kurz of the centre-right.


Kurz, who is only 31, has managed to steal considerable numbers of voters from the FPOe, according to the latest polls.

Experts believe this is in part due to him moving to the right on issues such as immigration.

"Last week he told a German TV network: 'The immigration seen in recent years is changing our country not in a positive but in a negative way.'

Other measures coming into force today include immigrants signing an 'integration contract' and compulsory courses in the German language and 'values'."
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Reply #1 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 7:54pm
 
At least they're forward steps.

Hope it doesn't backfire on them cause these grubs will sign anything to get in the revert back. They're known liars.
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Reply #2 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 11:33pm
 
Yes they'll still need a supplementary deportation clause in there somewhere
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Reply #3 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 8:08am
 
When I started serious world wandering in the 1960s, I had to get visas, and that was not always easy unless you had money, and I did not. By the 1970s, it was getting harder to go anywhere without a return ticket.

But now, these bastards just walk in and expect to granted residency and a job. And the open border crowd cite binding UN agreements that where never discussed in any election campaign.

None of the countries being flooded were established without a fight, which is what these freeloaders and cowards should be doing in their own countries if they truly respect democracy. But thats the point, isn't it? They don't.
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Reply #4 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 8:52am
 
Apart from the law having been brought to reality, the key-point here is that quite uniquely the Austrians haven't gone the coward's way of pretending this all has to do with public safety concerns, equating it with motor-cycle helmets.

They've openly kicked political correctness up the arse and told the truth of why they've made this change, and it's all about social cohesion.

Quote: "Restrictions are aimed at 'ensuring the cohesion of society in an open society".

No apologies. No ducking behind 'safety concerns'. No pandering to 'multicultural' imperatives.

And soon Austria's anti-Muslim party will be forming a coalition government with the current incumbents.

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Reply #5 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 9:24am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 11:33pm:
Yes they'll still need a supplementary deportation clause in there somewhere


Compulsory instant deportation.
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 9:24am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 11:33pm:
Yes they'll still need a supplementary deportation clause in there somewhere


Compulsory instant deportation.


'Instant' - I like that.

Just light the fuse and stand back .... GONE!
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 9:24am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 11:33pm:
Yes they'll still need a supplementary deportation clause in there somewhere


Compulsory instant deportation.


That will be the day pigs fly.
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Reply #8 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 1:32pm
 
I disagree with this law because it is contrary to libertarian principles.

People should be able to cover their faces in public if they choose to do so, particularly if it's a religious symbol. I don't agree with the practice, but I believe that if a woman chooses to wear it, they should not be outlawed from doing so.

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Reply #9 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:26pm
 
Auggie wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 1:32pm:
I disagree with this law because it is contrary to libertarian principles.

People should be able to cover their faces in public if they choose to do so, particularly if it's a religious symbol. I don't agree with the practice, but I believe that if a woman chooses to wear it, they should not be outlawed from doing so.


Fair enough. That's your take on it.

For myself, I believe the interests of the community should take priority over the wishes of the individual in those cases where the individual's liberalism interferes with the comfort and cultural expectations of the broader community.

We are social beings supported by societies composed of civilian memberships, and as such it behooves us to behave in a way that comes within the parameters of public expectation.

If one's apparel becomes 'confronting' to the general public, then it has gone beyond the pale of acceptability.







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Reply #10 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:36pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 7:50am:
"Restrictions are aimed at 'ensuring the cohesion of society in an open society'


Absolute nonsense. The aim is exclusion.

Have you been to Austria, Herbie?

An extremely racist and bigoted country (especially down south).

You'd love it there.
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Reply #11 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:45pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:36pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 7:50am:
"Restrictions are aimed at 'ensuring the cohesion of society in an open society'


Absolute nonsense. The aim is exclusion.

Have you been to Austria, Herbie?

An extremely racist and bigoted country (especially down south).

You'd love it there.


I've worked with Austrians.

If the aim is to make these 7th century Neanderthals at least look like 21st century women, then that's a good start to the eventual assimilation of their grandchildren.


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Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:36pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 7:50am:
"Restrictions are aimed at 'ensuring the cohesion of society in an open society'


Absolute nonsense. The aim is exclusion.

Have you been to Austria, Herbie?

An extremely racist and bigoted country (especially down south).

You'd love it there.


I've worked with Austrians.

If the aim is to make these 7th century Neanderthals at least look like 21st century women, then that's a good start to the eventual assimilation of their grandchildren.





Why do you care so much about how other people look?

Live and let live, Herbert.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:48pm:
Why do you care so much about how other people look?

Live and let live, Herbert.



Live and let live - yes, but not when it's an immigrant community that dresses its women like Aliens so as to better ensure their womenfolk don't have any meaningful communication with the locals.

Why don't you care about their isolation behind a black face-cover?

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Reply #14 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 10:26pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 1:32pm:
I disagree with this law because it is contrary to libertarian principles.

People should be able to cover their faces in public if they choose to do so, particularly if it's a religious symbol. I don't agree with the practice, but I believe that if a woman chooses to wear it, they should not be outlawed from doing so.


Fair enough. That's your take on it.

For myself, I believe the interests of the community should take priority over the wishes of the individual in those cases where the individual's liberalism interferes with the comfort and cultural expectations of the broader community.

We are social beings supported by societies composed of civilian memberships, and as such it behooves us to behave in a way that comes within the parameters of public expectation.

If one's apparel becomes 'confronting' to the general public, then it has gone beyond the pale of acceptability.









Ok but where do you draw the line?

What are the comfort and cultural expectations of a society of individuals in Australia?

And why should anyone feel 'confronted by a woman covering her face?
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Reply #15 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 10:27pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:48pm:
Why do you care so much about how other people look?

Live and let live, Herbert.



Live and let live - yes, but not when it's an immigrant community that dresses its women like Aliens so as to better ensure their womenfolk don't have any meaningful communication with the locals.

Why don't you care about their isolation behind a black face-cover?



It's not my responsibility or yours to care. It's the individual's responsibility.
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Auggie wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 10:26pm:
Ok but where do you draw the line?

What are the comfort and cultural expectations of a society of individuals in Australia?

And why should anyone feel 'confronted by a woman covering her face?



How long's a piece of string? Social values are always in flux in one direction or the other, sometimes becoming conservative and formal, and at other times loosening up to be more relaxed and liberal, but despite this ebb and flow some staples remain unchanged as the bedrock of our Judaeo-Christian heritage.

Regardless of the times, anti-social behaviour is anathema to the good order and cohesion of a community, and so a full-face covering has the public view the wearer as untrustworthy, anti-social, unreliable, deceitful, exclusionary, not a team player, hostile to associating with her fellow citizens, does not want to be identified, etc etc. In other words, someone who is a foreign entity to the degree she does not have our best interests at heart.



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Auggie wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 10:27pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
Why don't you care about their isolation behind a black face-cover?



It's not my responsibility or yours to care. It's the individual's responsibility.


So long as they choose to walk among us as fellow citizens they owe us the respect and the courtesy of dressing within the parameters of our social values and expectations.

I wouldn't be allowed to shop at my local Supermarket or walk around the streets in a budgie-smuggler and bare feet, and in just the same way is it inappropriate and an abuse of our cultural expectations that these knuckle-dragging religious Neanderthals should cover their faces in anonymous bondage while out-and-about among us.

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Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:08am:
Auggie wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 10:27pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
Why don't you care about their isolation behind a black face-cover?



It's not my responsibility or yours to care. It's the individual's responsibility.


So long as they choose to walk among us as fellow citizens they owe us the respect and the courtesy of dressing within the parameters of our social values and expectations.

I wouldn't be allowed to shop at my local Supermarket or walk around the streets in a budgie-smuggler and bare feet ...



Yes you would.


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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:10am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:08am:
I wouldn't be allowed to shop at my local Supermarket or walk around the streets in a budgie-smuggler and bare feet ...


Yes you would.


A beachside suburb? ~ I'll give you that, but not in one of the Sydney 'Burbs far from the pounding surf.

'Dress Code' imperatives would soon kick in and find you being told to 'dress appropriately' as there are ladies present ... in the Supermarket ... in the bank queue ... in the restaurant ... in the Shopping Mall ... in the library ...

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Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:10am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:08am:
I wouldn't be allowed to shop at my local Supermarket or walk around the streets in a budgie-smuggler and bare feet ...


Yes you would.


A beachside suburb? ~ I'll give you that, but not in one of the Sydney 'Burbs far from the pounding surf.

'Dress Code' imperatives would soon kick in and find you being told to 'dress appropriately' as there are ladies present ... in the Supermarket ... in the bank queue ... in the restaurant ... in the Shopping Mall ... in the library ...



Whatever.

You're talking about exposing the body, not covering it.

Two different things.

Let people cover up as much as they want.

In this country, it's a very sensible thing to do.

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Reply #21 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 11:21am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:36am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:10am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:08am:
I wouldn't be allowed to shop at my local Supermarket or walk around the streets in a budgie-smuggler and bare feet ...


Yes you would.


A beachside suburb? ~ I'll give you that, but not in one of the Sydney 'Burbs far from the pounding surf.

'Dress Code' imperatives would soon kick in and find you being told to 'dress appropriately' as there are ladies present ... in the Supermarket ... in the bank queue ... in the restaurant ... in the Shopping Mall ... in the library ...



Whatever.

You're talking about exposing the body, not covering it.

Two different things.

Let people cover up as much as they want.

In this country, it's a very sensible thing to do.


So why dont you go about in a burqa if it's  so sensible 'In this country'?
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Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 9:50am:
Auggie wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 10:26pm:
Ok but where do you draw the line?

What are the comfort and cultural expectations of a society of individuals in Australia?

And why should anyone feel 'confronted by a woman covering her face?



How long's a piece of string? Social values are always in flux in one direction or the other, sometimes becoming conservative and formal, and at other times loosening up to be more relaxed and liberal, but despite this ebb and flow some staples remain unchanged as the bedrock of our Judaeo-Christian heritage.

Regardless of the times, anti-social behaviour is anathema to the good order and cohesion of a community, and so a full-face covering has the public view the wearer as untrustworthy, anti-social, unreliable, deceitful, exclusionary, not a team player, hostile to associating with her fellow citizens, does not want to be identified, etc etc. In other words, someone who is a foreign entity to the degree she does not have our best interests at heart.





How do you know? The person under that head scarf could be an accountant or a lawyer? They could be volunteering for their community.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:36am:
Whatever.

You're talking about exposing the body, not covering it.

Two different things.

Let people cover up as much as they want.

In this country, it's a very sensible thing to do.



We're talking cultural expectations here, whether that's covering up or stripping down inappropriately.


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Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 11:21am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:36am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:10am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:08am:
I wouldn't be allowed to shop at my local Supermarket or walk around the streets in a budgie-smuggler and bare feet ...


Yes you would.


A beachside suburb? ~ I'll give you that, but not in one of the Sydney 'Burbs far from the pounding surf.

'Dress Code' imperatives would soon kick in and find you being told to 'dress appropriately' as there are ladies present ... in the Supermarket ... in the bank queue ... in the restaurant ... in the Shopping Mall ... in the library ...



Whatever.

You're talking about exposing the body, not covering it.

Two different things.

Let people cover up as much as they want.

In this country, it's a very sensible thing to do.


So why dont you go about in a burqa if it's  so sensible 'In this country's?


I wear different clothing to protect myself from the sun.

A burka doesn't appeal to me, however, that doesn't mean I have any right to stop others from wearing one if that's what they want.

Each to their own.



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Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:29pm:
How do you know? The person under that head scarf could be an accountant or a lawyer? They could be volunteering for their community.


It's not a head-scarf.

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Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 1:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:36am:
Whatever.

You're talking about exposing the body, not covering it.

Two different things.

Let people cover up as much as they want.

In this country, it's a very sensible thing to do.



We're talking cultural expectations here, whether that's covering up or stripping down inappropriately.




Yes.

People are expected to cover up their private parts in our culture.

Seems to me that's exactly what they're doing.
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Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 1:48pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:29pm:
How do you know? The person under that head scarf could be an accountant or a lawyer? They could be volunteering for their community.


It's not a head-scarf.



Yes, sorry. The person under the burqa or niqab?
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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 1:37pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 11:21am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:36am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:10am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 10:08am:
I wouldn't be allowed to shop at my local Supermarket or walk around the streets in a budgie-smuggler and bare feet ...


Yes you would.


A beachside suburb? ~ I'll give you that, but not in one of the Sydney 'Burbs far from the pounding surf.

'Dress Code' imperatives would soon kick in and find you being told to 'dress appropriately' as there are ladies present ... in the Supermarket ... in the bank queue ... in the restaurant ... in the Shopping Mall ... in the library ...



Whatever.

You're talking about exposing the body, not covering it.

Two different things.

Let people cover up as much as they want.

In this country, it's a very sensible thing to do.


So why dont you go about in a burqa if it's  so sensible 'In this country's?


I wear different clothing to protect myself from the sun.

A burka doesn't appeal to me, however, that doesn't mean I have any right to stop others from wearing one if that's what they want.

Each to their own.





Well said, Greggy. I don't approve of it, but I won't stop any person from wearing it.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 1:37pm:
I wear different clothing to protect myself from the sun.

A burka doesn't appeal to me, however, that doesn't mean I have any right to stop others from wearing one if that's what they want.

Each to their own.


A Nazi uniform?

A KKK outfit?

Each to their own?

How about Shia in the local park cutting themselves into a bloody mess with blades on chains?

Each to their own?

Not your business?

Cultural relativity?

Don't be a bigot and an Islamophobe?
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Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 1:37pm:
I wear different clothing to protect myself from the sun.

A burka doesn't appeal to me, however, that doesn't mean I have any right to stop others from wearing one if that's what they want.

Each to their own.


A Nazi uniform?

A KKK outfit?

Each to their own?


If wouldn't agree with the person wearing it, but I would defend their right to do so.
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At least in your case, you're being consistent. I assume you believe that a person shouldn't be allowed to wear a Nazi uniform?
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Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:23pm:
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At least in your case, you're being consistent. I assume you believe that a person shouldn't be allowed to wear a Nazi uniform?


Out in public as someone strolling around? - definitely not.
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Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:21pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 1:37pm:
I wear different clothing to protect myself from the sun.

A burka doesn't appeal to me, however, that doesn't mean I have any right to stop others from wearing one if that's what they want.

Each to their own.


A Nazi uniform?

A KKK outfit?

Each to their own?


If wouldn't agree with the person wearing it, but I would defend their right to do so.


Same here.

Let them wear it in public, and make utter fools of themselves.

I have no problem with that.

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Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:23pm:
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At least in your case, you're being consistent. I assume you believe that a person shouldn't be allowed to wear a Nazi uniform?


Out in public as someone strolling around? - definitely not.


This is where you and I differ.

At least you're consistent in your prohibitions. I'm a libertarian, so I believe that a person has the right to express themselves in such manner. The only exception I would make is prohibiting nudity in public because of children. But, yes a person should be allowed to wear a Nazi or KKK uniform in public. I would condemn it but I don't think they should be punished legally.
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Reply #36 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:50pm
 
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:35pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:32pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:23pm:
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At least in your case, you're being consistent. I assume you believe that a person shouldn't be allowed to wear a Nazi uniform?


Out in public as someone strolling around? - definitely not.


This is where you and I differ.

At least you're consistent in your prohibitions. I'm a libertarian, so I believe that a person has the right to express themselves in such manner. The only exception I would make is prohibiting nudity in public because of children. But, yes a person should be allowed to wear a Nazi or KKK uniform in public. I would condemn it but I don't think they should be punished legally.


I agree 100%, with everything you've said there.

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Reply #37 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 6:05pm
 
Denmark joins Euro nations banning burqa

Published: 11:24 pm, Friday, 6 October 2017

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http://www.skynews.com.au/news/world/europe/2017/10/06/denmark-joins-euro-nation...
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Reply #38 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 6:08pm
 
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'This is not a ban on religious clothing, this is a ban on masking,' Jacob Ellemann-Jensen, spokesman for the Liberal Party, told reporters on Friday after his party, the largest in the coalition government, decided to back a ban.

So, people like this won't be able to go out in public.


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Reply #39 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 7:29pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:37pm:
Same here.

Let them wear it in public, and make utter fools of themselves.

I have no problem with that.


Young'uns have much to learn.

There are camp survivors still alive today for whom that uniform represents terror, loss of family, privation, nightmares, and trembling fear.

When living in the countryside of Berkshire my elderly neighbour's daughter was house-bound as a survivor of Dachau. She was utterly terrified of strangers. I was told by my aunt never to approach her or greet her in any way if she happened to be watering the plants in her backyard.

The sight of a Nazi uniform can trigger a panic attack in those who were there at the time.

It's totally unconscionable and unfair to the survivors and the children of these people to be treated to the sight of someone dressed as a Nazi in public and not being hustled off by the police to go change his clothes.


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Reply #40 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 7:35pm
 
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
At least you're consistent in your prohibitions. I'm a libertarian, so I believe that a person has the right to express themselves in such manner. The only exception I would make is prohibiting nudity in public because of children. But, yes a person should be allowed to wear a Nazi or KKK uniform in public. I would condemn it but I don't think they should be punished legally.


Who's talking about punishment?

The offender is simply told to go and dress more appropriately.
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Reply #41 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 7:39pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
At least you're consistent in your prohibitions. I'm a libertarian, so I believe that a person has the right to express themselves in such manner. The only exception I would make is prohibiting nudity in public because of children. But, yes a person should be allowed to wear a Nazi or KKK uniform in public. I would condemn it but I don't think they should be punished legally.


Who's talking about punishment?

The offender is simply told to go and dress more appropriately.


Why?

And why do you get to decide what's appropriate?

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Reply #42 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 7:51pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
At least you're consistent in your prohibitions. I'm a libertarian, so I believe that a person has the right to express themselves in such manner. The only exception I would make is prohibiting nudity in public because of children. But, yes a person should be allowed to wear a Nazi or KKK uniform in public. I would condemn it but I don't think they should be punished legally.


Who's talking about punishment?

The offender is simply told to go and dress more appropriately.


Why?

And why do you get to decide what's appropriate?




I stop when my respondents reach a point of reductio ad absurdum.

You're on your own.
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Reply #43 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 7:52pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 7:51pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
At least you're consistent in your prohibitions. I'm a libertarian, so I believe that a person has the right to express themselves in such manner. The only exception I would make is prohibiting nudity in public because of children. But, yes a person should be allowed to wear a Nazi or KKK uniform in public. I would condemn it but I don't think they should be punished legally.


Who's talking about punishment?

The offender is simply told to go and dress more appropriately.


Why?

And why do you get to decide what's appropriate?




I stop when my respondents reach a point of reductio ad absurdum.

You're on your own.


You need to stop a lot earlier.

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MUSLIM women wearing burqas and niqabs can have their driving licence photographs taken after hours



http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/no-ban-on-burqas-hijabs-and-niqabs-for...
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Reply #45 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 9:01pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:35pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:32pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:23pm:
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At least in your case, you're being consistent. I assume you believe that a person shouldn't be allowed to wear a Nazi uniform?


Out in public as someone strolling around? - definitely not.


so we ban swastikas too?
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Reply #46 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 7:09pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
At least you're consistent in your prohibitions. I'm a libertarian, so I believe that a person has the right to express themselves in such manner. The only exception I would make is prohibiting nudity in public because of children. But, yes a person should be allowed to wear a Nazi or KKK uniform in public. I would condemn it but I don't think they should be punished legally.


Who's talking about punishment?

The offender is simply told to go and dress more appropriately.


And if they don't?
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Reply #47 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 7:59pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:35pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:32pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 5:23pm:
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At least in your case, you're being consistent. I assume you believe that a person shouldn't be allowed to wear a Nazi uniform?


Out in public as someone strolling around? - definitely not.


Yes, but what about at a NAZI rally?
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Reply #48 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 11:02am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 9:27am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 9:24am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 11:33pm:
Yes they'll still need a supplementary deportation clause in there somewhere


Compulsory instant deportation.


'Instant' - I like that.

Just light the fuse and stand back .... GONE!

Yes, no discussion,  no appeal, no  'rights' .
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Reply #49 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 11:55am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 11:02am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 9:27am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 9:24am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 11:33pm:
Yes they'll still need a supplementary deportation clause in there somewhere


Compulsory instant deportation.


'Instant' - I like that.

Just light the fuse and stand back .... GONE!

Yes, no discussion,  no appeal, no  'rights' .


Kill them.
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